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Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:41am On Aug 16, 2020
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Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 6:44am On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:


This is logical fallacy called whataboutism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Jehovah has been there since over thousands years and couldn't do nothing about suffering. You are now shifting the resolving to humans. Are humans more powerful than Jehovah? Shouldn't the most powerful sort issues of the less powerful?

Oh well, Jehovah doesn't exist and non existing skydaddy cannot do jack, not by himself. That is why human has turned to themselves to resolve their problems in the very little way they can, all by themselves.

It is an hypocrisy, that the catholic JW insult all the times has the biggest charity home, hospitals, motherless homes, evangelical outreaches to prisons, refugee camps, war zones, area plague with disasters and poor nations, reaching out to help fellow humans. But the same JW who lash out on them does not have a single charity organization. Isn't that hypocrisy?


SUFFERING is seen everywhere, and many are those who respond to it compassionately. Medical personnel, for example, work long shifts in hospitals to help those who are ill or injured. Firefighters, police, lawmakers, and rescue personnel strive to alleviate or prevent the suffering of others. Such efforts do much to help people on a personal level, but it is beyond the reach of any individual or organization to eliminate suffering earth wide. In contrast, God can and will bring about a global solution.
Assurance is found in the last book of the Bible: “[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” ( Revelation 21:4 ) Consider the scope of that promise. It summarizes God’s purpose to bring an end to all suffering. He will do that by ridding the earth of war, hunger, sickness, and injustice, along with all the wicked people. No human can accomplish that.
What God’s Kingdom Will Do
God will fulfill his promises through the second most powerful person in the universe​—the resurrected Jesus Christ. The time is coming when Jesus will rule unopposed as King over the entire earth. Mankind will no longer be governed by human kings, presidents, or politicians. Instead, they will be ruled by one King and one government​—the Kingdom of God.
That Kingdom will do away with every human government. Long ago, the Bible foretold: “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.” (Daniel 2:44 ) Peoples of all the earth will be united under one righteous government​—God’s Kingdom.
When he was on earth as a man, Jesus spoke on many occasions about that Kingdom. He referred to it in the model prayer, instructing his disciples to pray in this way: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:10 ) Notice that Jesus indicated that the Kingdom is linked to God’s will being done on the earth, and it is God’s will to eliminate suffering earth wide.
God’s righteous government will bring blessings that no human government ever could. Recall that Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom so that humans might receive everlasting life. Under the benevolent rulership of the Kingdom, people will progress to perfection. The result? Jehovah “will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces.”​— Isaiah 25:8 .
Some might ask: ‘Why has God not acted before now? What is he waiting for?’ Jehovah could have acted long ago to eliminate or even prevent all suffering. Instead, he has allowed it to continue, not for any selfish reason, but for the everlasting benefit of his children on earth. Loving parents will allow their child to undergo hardships if they know that this will bring long-term benefits. Similarly, there are good reasons why Jehovah has allowed humans to suffer temporarily, and these reasons are explained in the Bible. They involve such things as free will, sin, and an issue concerning the rightfulness of Jehovah’s rulership. The Bible also explains that, for a limited time, an evil spirit creature has been allowed to rule the world. *
Though space limits our discussing those reasons here, there are two facts that can give us hope and encouragement. The first is this: Jehovah will more than make up for any suffering we may have experienced.
Moreover, God assures us: “The former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart.” ( Isaiah 65:17 ) God will undo, completely and permanently, the misery and suffering resulting from the temporary permission of evil.
The second fact is this: God has set an unalterable time to end suffering. Recall that the prophet Habakkuk asked how long Jehovah would permit violence and strife. Jehovah replied: “The vision is yet for the appointed time . . . It will not be late.” (Habakkuk 2:3 ) As we will see in the next article, that “appointed time” is near.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20091201/A-Global-Problem-a-Global-Solution/
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:52am On Aug 16, 2020
MuttleyLaff:


Yorubas, by means of singular or conglomerate of verb(s), form names from a word or portmanteau, that describes a state, action or occurrence of the thing referred to. Fridge(s), in Yoruba parlance, is/are called "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" It is a portmanteau word formulated from translating "machine with a technology which gets the belly/stomach cold," that is what "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" means, as far as Yorubas are concerned, whenever object are taken from the fridge, eaten or drunk, it ends up making the stomach/belly cold

The English word, God, represents, a kaleidoscope of many meanings, but "OLODUMARE", in Yoruba parlance, is the name assigned to God, and it will interest enquiry minds, to know that "OLODUMARE" is a portmanteau word, formed from putting together, coming from an observation viewpoint, words that describes what this enigmatic and very powerful Supreme Being is.

The other alternate form names of "OLODUMARE" are: "Edumare" and "ElÈdumare"

"OLODUMARE" is also known as "ỌLỌRUN" In Yoruba parlance, "ỌLỌRUN" is another portmanteau word, which means "Owner of the heavens or sky expanse" or "Owner of the firmament" "OLO, ỌLỌ, OL' or ELÈ or EL'" means Owner, while "ỌRUN" means "the heavens or sky expanse" hence "ỌLỌ-RUN"

Cycling back to the portmanteau word "OLODUMARE" name of God, in Yoruba manner of speaking, the name is derived from the following words:
1/ "OLO" - means, Owner,
2/ "ODU" - means, mystery, mystical attributes, a thing or being that is mysterious. It also means energy
3/ "MA" - means, knows
4/ "RE" - actually is "ire" and means, blessing

So when, the words, OLO, ODU, MA and RE, are joined together, we have "OLODUMARE" revealing a profound and thoughtful deep meaning that indicates the truth and/or existence of an Energy, Supreme Spirit Being, who is not just the Owner of unique energy but also is in possession of mystery/mystical knowledge of all manners of blessing.

Since God is the highest level of energy. It is from this energy, that everything is created. In fact, Odu, directs all forces at all level of existence, hence, it is this same mystery and/or energy, that's the power behind the creation of all living and non-living things.

One of the most important of the mystical attributes of God is volition. Without volition, there is no God, and there won't be forces, natural laws, rules and/or principles

Profoundly observing, God has always being EL and this is evident in the Yoruba variant name of God, "ELÈdumare" The prefix EL, as previously intimated, means, Owner, an Influential Owner (e.g. Elijah is: My God, is Yahweh/YHWH, Elihu is: My God, is He, or Ọlọrunfẹmi is: God, loves me)

I dare say Yoruba beliefs and mythos is very rich. As I've earlier advanced, Chukwu, in Igbo cosmos, is a product formed from two Igbo words "chi" and "ukwu", that computes to mean big god or great god. Chukwu, in the real sense of it, isn't Yahweh, the God in the Bible but simply is a god, that now, so as to pretend, is taken to be YHWH or Yahweh, the God in the Bible

The Igbos, and the Yorubas, just as like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God (i.e. Acts 17:23-31)

Now, the thing is, God wants, us having a relationship with Him, and not having a relationshit with god(s) You cannot practice consulting the dead, practice ancestor worship or practice spiritism and be a follower of the one and only true God (i.e. Deuteronomy 18:10-13)

cc: FOLY, MizMy



You did a great job there.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by MuttleyLaff: 7:02am On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:
There is nothing like Christian name. James, Peter, Paul have it origin in Rome, not Christianity.

Abraham is Jewish name but adopted by Christians today. So can Hephzibah
Apostle James's Hebrew name is Yaaqob, and its derived from the Anglicised Jacob name
Apostle Peter's original name was Simeon, which means "wavering". He was given the Aramaic name, Cephas, meaning "stone" or when translated to Greek, the name is Petros, meaning "rock", by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, signifying steadiness, as in meaning, not anymore wavering, shaking, flicking/swinging about, moving about, having indecision moments et cetera. Cephas

Apostle Paul's Hebrew name is Saul, and it means, "prayed for or asked for" while his second name, being a Roman citizen, was Paul, which means, "small, modest, humble"

Anglicised names in a way, manner and in their own rights are Christian/Christianised names. Christianity, as a matter of fact was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:08am On Aug 16, 2020
MuttleyLaff:
Apostle James's Hebrew name is Yaaqob, and its derived from the Anglicised Jacob name
Apostle Peter's original name was Simeon, which means "wavering". He was given the Aramaic name, Cephas, meaning "stone" or when translated to Greek, the name is Petros, meaning "rock", by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, signifying steadiness, as in meaning, not anymore wavering, shaking, flicking/swinging about, moving about, having indecision moments et cetera. Cephas

Apostle Paul's Hebrew name is Saul, and it means, "prayed for or asked for" while his second name, being a Roman citizen, was Paul, which means, "small, modest, humble"

Anglicised names in a way, manner and in their own rights are Christian/Christianised names. Christianity, as a matter of fact was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine

There was Rome before Christianity. Isn't it?
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:10am On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:



SUFFERING is seen everywhere, and many are those who respond to it compassionately. Medical personnel, for example, work long shifts in hospitals to help those who are ill or injured. Firefighters, police, lawmakers, and rescue personnel strive to alleviate or prevent the suffering of others. Such efforts do much to help people on a personal level, but it is beyond the reach of any individual or organization to eliminate suffering earth wide. In contrast, God can and will bring about a global solution.
Assurance is found in the last book of the Bible: “[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” ( Revelation 21:4 ) Consider the scope of that promise. It summarizes God’s purpose to bring an end to all suffering. He will do that by ridding the earth of war, hunger, sickness, and injustice, along with all the wicked people. No human can accomplish that.
What God’s Kingdom Will Do
God will fulfill his promises through the second most powerful person in the universe​—the resurrected Jesus Christ. The time is coming when Jesus will rule unopposed as King over the entire earth. Mankind will no longer be governed by human kings, presidents, or politicians. Instead, they will be ruled by one King and one government​—the Kingdom of God.
That Kingdom will do away with every human government. Long ago, the Bible foretold: “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.” (Daniel 2:44 ) Peoples of all the earth will be united under one righteous government​—God’s Kingdom.
When he was on earth as a man, Jesus spoke on many occasions about that Kingdom. He referred to it in the model prayer, instructing his disciples to pray in this way: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:10 ) Notice that Jesus indicated that the Kingdom is linked to God’s will being done on the earth, and it is God’s will to eliminate suffering earth wide.
God’s righteous government will bring blessings that no human government ever could. Recall that Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom so that humans might receive everlasting life. Under the benevolent rulership of the Kingdom, people will progress to perfection. The result? Jehovah “will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces.”​— Isaiah 25:8 .
Some might ask: ‘Why has God not acted before now? What is he waiting for?’ Jehovah could have acted long ago to eliminate or even prevent all suffering. Instead, he has allowed it to continue, not for any selfish reason, but for the everlasting benefit of his children on earth. Loving parents will allow their child to undergo hardships if they know that this will bring long-term benefits. Similarly, there are good reasons why Jehovah has allowed humans to suffer temporarily, and these reasons are explained in the Bible. They involve such things as free will, sin, and an issue concerning the rightfulness of Jehovah’s rulership. The Bible also explains that, for a limited time, an evil spirit creature has been allowed to rule the world. *
Though space limits our discussing those reasons here, there are two facts that can give us hope and encouragement. The first is this: Jehovah will more than make up for any suffering we may have experienced.
Moreover, God assures us: “The former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart.” ( Isaiah 65:17 ) God will undo, completely and permanently, the misery and suffering resulting from the temporary permission of evil.
The second fact is this: God has set an unalterable time to end suffering. Recall that the prophet Habakkuk asked how long Jehovah would permit violence and strife. Jehovah replied: “The vision is yet for the appointed time . . . It will not be late.” (Habakkuk 2:3 ) As we will see in the next article, that “appointed time” is near.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20091201/A-Global-Problem-a-Global-Solution/



God 'will'. Future tense.

What is Jehovah doing now? What has he done in the past? How are you sure he is going to do anything in the future?

He is incapable today and humans are filling his holes by helping one another
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by MuttleyLaff: 10:58am On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:
There was Rome before Christianity. Isn't it?
... and your point is?
What if there was Rome, before Christianity was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine?
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 2:37pm On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:


There is nothing like Christian name. James, peter, paul have it origin in Rome, not Christianity.

Abraham is Jewish name but adopted by Christians today. So can Hephzibah
Well, Rome is where many consider the birth place of Christianity, remember.

Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 3:15pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Well, Rome is where many consider the birth place of Christianity, remember.

Rome has been before Christianity.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 3:25pm On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:

Rome has been before Christianity.
True but Christianity is assumed to have started in Rome.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 4:07pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
True but Christianity is assumed to have started in Rome.

You are right
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 10:13pm On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:


God 'will'. Future tense.

What is Jehovah doing now? What has he done in the past? How are you sure he is going to do anything in the future?

He is incapable today and humans are filling his holes by helping one another

jer 10:23
23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 10:14pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
True but Christianity is assumed to have started in Rome.

christianity did not start in rome. roman catholic started in rome
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:20pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:


jer 10:23
23 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.




My dear, heal the world, make it a better place for you, me and people out there. God is not ready to alleviate human suffering. Let's join hand together and solve our problems in our little ways

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Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 10:39pm On Aug 16, 2020
FOLYKAZE:


My dear, heal the world, make it a better place for you, me and people out there. God is not ready to alleviate human suffering. Let's join hand together and solve our problems in our little ways

I repeat it . no human efforts will solve mankind problems. yes, we can do our best to help others.
if you have taken your time to study history, you would understand that.
Hab 2:3
For the vision is yet for its appointed time,
And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie.
Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it!
For it will without fail come true.
It will not be late!
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 10:54pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

christianity did not start in rome. roman catholic started in rome
That is exactly where what you have today that you call the Christian church started from... The roman catholic church.

Yep, your protestant movement and everything else that resultant all have there beginnings in the roman catholic church
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 10:58pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
That is exactly where what you have today that you call the Christian church started from... The roman catholic church.

Yep, your protestant movement and everything else that resultant all have there beginnings in the roman catholic church

Christianity started in Jerusalem.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:00pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

Christianity started in Jerusalem.
What you have today is not what Jesus Christ's disciples practiced though.

Instead what you have is what started out of roman movementm
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:01pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
keep telling yourself that.
what do you know?
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:02pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
What you have today is not what Jesus Christ's disciples practiced though

it is good you know that. Yes, Christianity started in Jerusalem.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:02pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:


what do you know?
Exactly what I told you? What you have today is not what was in Jerusalem. What you have is the product of the roman church.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:03pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
What you have today is not what Jesus Christ's disciples practiced though.

Instead what you have is what started out of roman movementm

very good.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:04pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Exactly what I told you? What you have today is not what was in Jerusalem. What you have is the product of the roman church.

not all are products of roman catholic church
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:06pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

not all are products of roman catholic church
Everything that exists today and is organized according , or in any way similar, to the designs of the Roman church, fits that bill.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:11pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Everything that exists today and is organized according , or in any way similar, to the designs of the Roman church, fits that bill.

not necessarily. you have to compare teachings and practices of early disciples with every church before you can make that assertion
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:16pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

not necessarily. you have to compare teachings and practices of early disciples with every church before you can make that assertion
Jesus Christ is the only Teacher to those who belong to Him. Why else do you think He said He would not leave His own as orphans.. He provided the Spirit of God to take His place.. To teach us, counsel us, comfort us, guide us, and help us, just as if Jesus Christ is here with us all the time.

Anyone else who has set himself up as a teacher to His flock is a liar and not of God.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:18pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the only Teacher to those who belong to Him. Why else do you think He said He would not leave His own as orphans.. He provided the Spirit of God to take His place.. To teach us, counsel us, comfort us, guide us, and help us, just as if Jesus Christ is here with us all the time.

Anyone else who has set himself up as a teacher to His flock is a liar and not of God.
and so? not disputing that
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:23pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

and so? not disputing that
Basically, comparing teachings and practices of churches is out the door, is what I am saying. Scripture is now available to all and so those who want to know God's truth can ask God to reveal Himself to them, and He will do just that because He is not impotent.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:25pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Basically, comparing teachings and practices of churches is out the door, is what I am saying. Scripture is now available to all and so those who want to know God's truth can ask God to reveal Himself to them, and He will do just that because He is not impotent.

what is your point?
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by joyandfaith: 11:26pm On Aug 16, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Basically, comparing teachings and practices of churches is out the door, is what I am saying. Scripture is now available to all and so those who want to know God's truth can ask God to reveal Himself to them, and He will do just that because He is not impotent.

do you mean personal interpretation of scripture?
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:29pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

do you mean personal interpretation of scripture?
there is no such thing as a 'personal interpretation of that which is written clearly in human language.

No, what I mean is for God to answer one according to His promise.
Re: Is It Possible That Each Individual Has Their Own God (chi)? by Kobojunkie: 11:31pm On Aug 16, 2020
joyandfaith:

what is your point?
My point is anyone who wants what Jesus Christ really did give us, needs to distance themselves from the world's version of Christianity.

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