ethicallyright:


You're arguing with hearesay and sentiments.

I am saying the truth and you know it.

The CAN didn't see the benefits of the law, it will stopped Iran spending money on Shite, Saudis money Salafy will be halted, the Pakistan on Tebliq will be strickly monitored, the NGO money will be proper channels to development. The terrorist activities will be reduced.

On Muric side, no govt will chartered Pastor's jet to conveying Money to South Africa for weapons again as their will be accountability. Those NGO spending money on Churches will be able to monitor where their money is going. Though the pastor's Jets and their fleet will be reduced.

For us. The abracadabra we are exposing to everyday from religion bodies may be reduced.
All in all, In CAMA we stand

sonnie10:
This new CAMA rule is what Yorubas call Oju kokoro and also known as Anya Ukwu in Igbo. When Christians in Nigeria were busy building mega churches with affiliate schools and hospitals, the Muslims were busy squandering their own money in eating rams and cattle and marrying wives.. At most, they were sponsoring their foot soldiers in the North East.
Now they are waking up to reap where they did not sow. Imagine making a law that would allow one ambitionless Imam or Alhaji to take over the board of trusty of a church, another man's sweat. What else is Islamization if I may ask?
This law is totally wrong and has very glaring hidden agenda.
God will never allow the gate of hell to prevail over his church.

SENTIMENTS APART
If this is what you can say concerning CAMA then "Your education is total waste"

Govt wants to get revenue by any means.

If only those greedy pastors showed some restraint, going to buy jets, build skyscrapers and having long convoys got govts attention.

religion smh

Farmerrules:
God bless you for your exploration, I hope ranting bigot will have will to read through

There is no any exposition or logic on what he posted. He just revealed the motive for the CAMA and the Boko Haram sponsors.

It was the Boko Haram sponsors that wrote US that there were several civilian casualties in the fight against Boko Haram and urged US and other nations not to sell Arms to fight Boko Haram. They said the FG under Jonathan is number one Boko Haram. The Israeli mercenaries and FG had to purchase Arms through private arrangement.

No Islamic country regulates or monitor funds for terrorism. Such funds are legal as they are for Jihad. Till date, ISWAP has large donor funds not being monitored by any Islamic nation. State money is used to build Mosques and to support other Islamic activities without any monitoring. Church money should not been monitored until we know how ISWAP is being funded. The withdrawal of invitation to EL - Rufai by NBA and the reactions that followed had clearly revealed the Boko Haram and Bandits commanders and sponsors.

datola:
"The same churches obeying such laws in foreign countries but kicking against it in Nigeria"

Hmm...

I think it is high time all of you realised that Nigeria is not a nation but a mere geographic expression divided along ethnic and religion lines.

You talk as if you don't know what this evil government is capable of. I don't know who has placed a spell on Nigerians. These guys are stripping you off your rights one after the other and yet you fell it doesn't concern you, wait till they are through with all their enemies and they come for you. The same law implemented in a sane society I have no problems with it. But it's implemented by a government who has shown complete disregard for the rule of law, promoted one particular ethnic and religious group over others and you don't see the bigger picture in these scenario?
Nigerians will never learn.

Mycoin:
Kizito Iwuoha wrote.

For those of you who don't know what CAMA means, in concise terms this is what it entails �
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When you register your business or organization as a charity or NGO, it means that whatever funds that comes in and goes is for the public and NOT for your personal use. You are accountable to the public. In exchange the government exempts you from paying tax. That is how it works
.
Also, the government has the power to monitor and regulate such tax exempt organisations to make sure that the funds raised are for the public as stipulated and not misappropriated or diverted for personal use.
.
This is how it works globally, including the UK, US etc.
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Religious organizations and their businesses worldwide also register as charities and NGOs and that is why no church, mosque etc or any of their establishments pays tax.
.
Now it is the duty of the government to regulate these bodies who don't pay tax by making sure that the funds they generate rightly goes back to the public and not for personal gain.
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This is the reason why CAMA was created
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Now the question is why are only the Pentecostal pastors shouting? Why is the Catholic Church not complaining? Why are the rest Orthodox and Presbyterian churches not complaining? Because I don't get it, these same pastors shouting here all have branches abroad and they dutifully obey the laws there like lambs but when they come to Nigeria they want to be lawless.
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These same pastors rejecting CAMA now have all been involved in fraud due to misappropriation of funds in the UK.
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Ashimolowo was sanctioned by the UK government over fraud. CAMA was what gave him out!
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Oyedepo is banned from entering the UK because of fraud and diversion of church funds. CAMA was what gave him out!
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Pastor Chris Oyakhilome also...
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These people know that once you implement CAMA here as is obtainable in the UK and the rest, they are finished and that's why they are fighting and kicking. This is why rather than fight the law through the right channels using legal means, they employed the best way they know how– religious sentiments! It works on their members like charm! They claim it's an attack against the church as if the lawmakers who signed the bill into law after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd reading are all pagans. Nonsense
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Well, I've got news for these folks and their compatriots... CAMA is here to stay and asides wailing your lungs out, there's absolutely nothing you can do. If you don't like it go and create your own country! �

Personal gain huh, the best schools today are from churches and other social services like road, water and hospitals created by churches. We all know Nigeria govt have never and will never have the public at heart. We know how govt have turn this country into dept and keep acquiring loans to fund their flamboyant and extravagant lifestyle, they are so used to it and now already loosing options so they want to deep their long throat into churches finances. Don’t come and tell me abt how it’s working in UK and US and even India, this people have integrity and sincerity of purpose something our leaders has lost years ago

Just admit you dont know how to use the phrase. There's no shame in that

One4me:


You are truly an incorrigible dunderhead!

My Post that you quoted never said anything about when the CAMA came into force, it only refered to the wrong impression that the other post gave, as if the Christian leaders want its total repeal whereas, all they wanted was a repeal of that particular Clause that empowered the Minister to remove the Board and replace it with anyone, including a Jihadist!
It is right there in my post that you quoted yet you are still so dumb as to swerve into innanities and hare-mongering about how long the law has been around!
You know, if you had kept quiet you could have fooled us into thinking that you had anything else but sawdust, in that your big head, but now that you opened you mouth, no one is left in doubt as to the level of your acutely low I.Q!

To me, the church is somehow responsible for this. The churches do a lot of show up of her wealth to the point of giving details to the media.
It was the church who gave the federal government billions of naira during covid-19 thereby divulging its affluence.

It is the GO's that are using private get and are proudly telling their critics that more gets will soon come to their sadness.

Sometimes these churches leave out some members who might be in need to be expending on things that show their wealth.

This is why the government is after the income of the church. This is one of the consequences of misplaced priority. Materialism is not what the church is called to do.

These Nigeria churches abroad obey the same rules over there.

I am not supporting the government because of corrupt elements in it. The government will want to bring in the laws obtainable in other countries but will not follow and execute them the ways other countries do theirs. Nigerian government will mess up its own with corruption.

To me, the government should let the church be even as the Church retraces her steps for its purpose. Thanks.

One4me:


Are you aware of the new amendment CLAUSE in the CAMA that says that a Minister can remove the Trustee of a Church (for example) and replace it with anyone he choses, based on a pettition from someone,all by himself (the Minister)?
Would you want a Christian Minister to wield such Power over your Mosque or would you want an Islamic Minister to wield such Power over your church, without a fair hearing in a Court of law?

Always READ something and be sure you UNDERSTAND it properly, before you jump into support.
Most of you supporting this new amandments in the CAMA, have not read nor actually understand what it is saying, apart from the financial reporting aspect of it

Have you asked yourself the reqson for the new amendment?

Goodnews1170:
To me, the church is somehow responsible for this. The churches do a lot of show up of her wealth to the point of giving details to the media.
It was the church who gave the federal government billions of naira during covid-19 thereby divulging its affluence.

It is the GO's that are using private get and are proudly telling their critics that more gets will soon come to their sadness.

Sometimes these churches leave out some members who might be in need to be expending on things that show their wealth.

This is why the government is after the income of the church. This is one of the consequences of misplaced priority. Materialism is not what the church is called to do.

These Nigeria churches abroad obey the same rules over there.

I am not supporting the government because of corrupt elements in it. The government will want to bring in the laws obtainable in other countries but will not follow and execute them the ways other countries do theirs. Nigerian government will mess up its own with corruption.

To me, the government should let the church be even as the Church retraces her steps for its purpose. Thanks.

Why do you all ignore the fact that this matter was brought up at the national assembly which indeed pass it into law?

kingxsamz:


Oh, so they can endure every nonsense being dished out to them outside their country?
At that time, they won't remember their favorite slogan, "The church of God cannot be controlled by the government", or scream that it's an attack against the church. It's only here in Nigeria where every nonsense is allowed they have mouth.

Yes
You should have mouth in your country to contribute to its growth
How can a government full of corruption in its agencies want to start controlling church funds so that they can start spreading their corruption crusade in an establishment they have no idea of how it came about
Religion should be separated from politics

ethicallyright:
There is enough evidence that millions of dollars which are unrelated to the duties of churches and mosques ,as stipulated in their articles of assoiciation and constitutions, are dumped with these religious leaders for businesses they would have no duty with in an organized country.

Let's leave the issue of Churches since there are evidence of their money laundering schemes for public officials. The United States of America which leads the global fight against terrorism have opined that for a successful resistance against Islamic extremism and terrorism to be achieved, regimes in every continent of this planet must monitor finances and prevent terrorism sponsorship. To fight a monster, it is pertinent to target its head not tail. When there are no funds to propagate the terrorist ideology to the most rural enclaves or pay fighters to cause havoc, the enemies of this country will be subdued.

The board of the Corporate Affairs Commission are well represented both on tribal and religious lines. This law does not in anyway specify churches. It literally states "NGOs and Religious bodies."

This means if IRAN sends funds to Shite Muslims in Nigeria for any purpose but officially says it is for building of Mosques , roads construction or building of a world class hospital, the Government of Nigeria will ensure that the funds are used for those purposes and no money is channeled for arms purchase. If SAUDI ARABIA sends funds to an Islamic Humanitarian Organization in Yobe or Zamfara, this bill will give the Corporate Affairs Commission authority to demand annual bank statements of these Organizations and trace the expenditure of their funds.

Remember, it's a legislation and will remain same even when a Christian PRESIDENT is elected. Similar legislations have been enacted in most developed nations. Only those who negate the concept of accountability will be irritated by this relevant amendment.

i don't agree with you.. .the way the current APC leadership is looking away from probing its "anointed members" while chasing members of opposition is exactly how this will end... Nigeria(politicians) is/are predictable

God's people have been saying it but only the wise listens Politics on it's own is another Religion, and only those involved are their own brethren!
If this is not the case how come this law passed through the NASS and none of the members hint their Churches about it?
Abi is it not during this Covid19 period they sat to agree on it?
Can we conclude that there are no Churchgoers anymore in the NASS?
Well the next thing that will happen according to the PROPHECY is Politicians globally will ban all Religions soon!
So keep in expectation of it's fulfilment!

hmmm

Govt's rigid control on religious bodies wouldn't be good.

tiger28:
You here are the dumber one! If you can obey the law of other , why can't you obey the law or YOUR OWN Country. Same way the so called wealthy here blow siren and disobey traffic laws going to the airport, skip the queue at the airport with their gra gra Mopols BUT when they get to the airport on the other side of the World,they start acting humble and obey all the laws. Why are you ppl defending these ThievesMagu was able to hide HALF A BILLION in his PASTOR'S account because there is no scrutiny with Church finance....WAKE UP FOOLS! And I am a Christian!

See mumu. You are just a nairaland, not a Christian. Christian's dont call people "FOOLS" or any other names for that matter. You have failed the test.

ethicallyright:
There is enough evidence that millions of dollars which are unrelated to the duties of churches and mosques ,as stipulated in their articles of assoiciation and constitutions, are dumped with these religious leaders for businesses they would have no duty with in an organized country.

Let's leave the issue of Churches since there are evidence of their money laundering schemes for public officials. The United States of America which leads the global fight against terrorism have opined that for a successful resistance against Islamic extremism and terrorism to be achieved, regimes in every continent of this planet must monitor finances and prevent terrorism sponsorship. To fight a monster, it is pertinent to target its head not tail. When there are no funds to propagate the terrorist ideology to the most rural enclaves or pay fighters to cause havoc, the enemies of this country will be subdued.

The board of the Corporate Affairs Commission are well represented both on tribal and religious lines. This law does not in anyway specify churches. It literally states "NGOs and Religious bodies."

This means if IRAN sends funds to Shite Muslims in Nigeria for any purpose but officially says it is for building of Mosques , roads construction or building of a world class hospital, the Government of Nigeria will ensure that the funds are used for those purposes and no money is channeled for arms purchase. If SAUDI ARABIA sends funds to an Islamic Humanitarian Organization in Yobe or Zamfara, this bill will give the Corporate Affairs Commission authority to demand annual bank statements of these Organizations and trace the expenditure of their funds.

Remember, it's a legislation and will remain the same even when a Christian PRESIDENT is elected. Similar legislations have been enacted in most developed nations. Only those who negate the concept of accountability will be irritated by this relevant amendment.

I appreciate the use of your tenses and creative comments...it is obvious that you pass through the wall of school...
However, do you think laws is promulgated because some Islamic sponsors and donors as you have opined?
We need to look at issue wholistic lest we cripple the structure of existence ...why cant the federal government made due consultation to the religion stakeholders before signing this kind of draconian law...
In as much as the politicians know the religious bodies is so important, why do they neglect them when this kind of laws is being penned down.

International organisationn Sponsors ,my foot....haven't you heard that there are some sitting governors, senators, polticians, and some well-positoned civil servants and some religious stalwart are also fingered as their.sponsors..

Your article is a ploy to deceive some gullible readers...and to attract more followers in your sinister objective. And also to turn the whole country to an Islamic caliphate empire.... I refuse to fall for it...

yanabasee1:
Is Mosque also included on the CAMA?

Every NGO.

You guys have been silent on the happenings of this country. E Don touch una, una get mouth. I like CAMA. It has come to stay

Mycoin:
Kizito Iwuoha wrote.

For those of you who don't know what CAMA means, in concise terms this is what it entails �
.
When you register your business or organization as a charity or NGO, it means that whatever funds that comes in and goes is for the public and NOT for your personal use. You are accountable to the public. In exchange the government exempts you from paying tax. That is how it works
.
Also, the government has the power to monitor and regulate such tax exempt organisations to make sure that the funds raised are for the public as stipulated and not misappropriated or diverted for personal use.
.
This is how it works globally, including the UK, US etc.
.
Religious organizations and their businesses worldwide also register as charities and NGOs and that is why no church, mosque etc or any of their establishments pays tax.
.
Now it is the duty of the government to regulate these bodies who don't pay tax by making sure that the funds they generate rightly goes back to the public and not for personal gain.
.
This is the reason why CAMA was created
.
Now the question is why are only the Pentecostal pastors shouting? Why is the Catholic Church not complaining? Why are the rest Orthodox and Presbyterian churches not complaining? Because I don't get it, these same pastors shouting here all have branches abroad and they dutifully obey the laws there like lambs but when they come to Nigeria they want to be lawless.
.
These same pastors rejecting CAMA now have all been involved in fraud due to misappropriation of funds in the UK.
.
Ashimolowo was sanctioned by the UK government over fraud. CAMA was what gave him out!
.
Oyedepo is banned from entering the UK because of fraud and diversion of church funds. CAMA was what gave him out!
.
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome also...
.
These people know that once you implement CAMA here as is obtainable in the UK and the rest, they are finished and that's why they are fighting and kicking. This is why rather than fight the law through the right channels using legal means, they employed the best way they know how– religious sentiments! It works on their members like charm! They claim it's an attack against the church as if the lawmakers who signed the bill into law after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd reading are all pagans. Nonsense
.
Well, I've got news for these folks and their compatriots... CAMA is here to stay and asides wailing your lungs out, there's absolutely nothing you can do. If you don't like it go and create your own country! �

You only think about the financial but the part that states the removal of board of trustees without recourse to court. Don't you think Catholic Church would be affected? one Fulani mallam who is a minister can remove anyone from the church the way he wish. This is totally condemnable.

martineverest:
u can't register as a NoN profit organizations and still be buying jets ,building schools with funds.....u can't try that in USA and Europe

You can build highly subsidized schools or one where a great population are receiving a scholarship from the school.

It the school would continue to receive fees it must be divested from the church and management must be without any influence from the church. However buying luxuries is considered a no no unless such luxuries explicitly belong to the church.

The Catholic Church have wonderful castles and homes, they are by far the wealthiest organization of their kind in the world but they have made themselves financially accountable.

Yankee101:
Besides the muslim agenda, I dont see anything wrong. If they will subject themselves to auditing and probity in the UK and US, why not the same in Nigeria?

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Funny thing is when these churches are under investigation in UK and US and other parts of Europe and when their board of trustees is suspended it's usually by atheists.
If the church is worried about the clause it should petition the NASS , Buhari has no power to suspend a law which he has already assented to and which has passed through the legislative process do these CAN not understand the constitution of the country.

This has been coming a long time since the pastors and other NGOs in Nigeria have been used as an avenue for self enrichment and money laundering, some Muslims organization have also been suspected as beneficiaries of unusual grants from foreign nations and organisations which may be a threat to Nigerian national security.
Iran has been the primary funded the Shiites for decades and Saudi Arabia is known for sending funds to islamic organisations too with no accountability that money can be laundered, or mismanaged

sonnie10:


What law outside Nigeria are you talking about? What is the probability that an Imam would be made a member or head of the board of trusty of a church in a country like US? Keep deceiving yourself.

Rather very possible, when a board of trustees is suspected of mismanagement, external auditors/examiner are appointment and this person doesn't have to be a Christian. In fact if the members of the institute of examiners in UK/US are evaluated one would find most are atheists and agnostics so what your assertions have no basis.

The idea a regulator would need a court to regulate a body over which it has responsibility is absurd, where had it ever been heard of !

ethicallyright:


Man, I got first hand information before the media reported that incidence.

There are many companies that have Jets to lease in Nigeria example Execujets , why didn't the Presidency hire one of those if it did not want to use one of the many Presidential jets wasting in the hangers?

The Pastor's jet was used for cover. It officially landed in South Africa for "missionary work."

They believed that by using a Jet identified as that of a pastor who is the head NIGERIA's Christianity, the jet would be free from search . The minister gave out his Jet for a covet mission. It's like Italy hiring the private jet of the pope to buy weapons The only reason for that is that no one would ordinarily want to search the Pope's plane.

You can imagine they really want us to believe the executive just decided to leave all the 6 jets under the executive , leave all the executive jets belonging to the army and lease the one belonging to GEJ personal pastor and close confidant.

It was done for clandestine reasons and the pastor knew the purpose.

when the prostitutes in CAN went to sleep with Buhari in da oza room and failed to stop killings in Kaduna

sweetgala:


Rather very possible, when a board of trustees is suspected of mismanagement, external auditors/examiner are appointment and this person doesn't have to be a Christian. In fact if the members of the institute of examiners in UK/US are evaluated one would find most are atheists and agnostics so what your assertions have no basis.

The idea a regulator would need a court to regulate a body over which it has responsibility is absurd, where had it ever been heard of !

Food is ready. Oya go and bring your Alfa to take over Redeem camp.
And if you are a Christian working for CAMA, the day they will send you to go take over a mosque in Borno don’t forget to write your will before you go.

sonnie10:
This new CAMA rule is what Yorubas call Oju kokoro and also known as Anya Ukwu in Igbo. When Christians in Nigeria were busy building mega churches with affiliate schools and hospitals, the Muslims were busy squandering their own money in eating rams and cattle and marrying wives.. At most, they were sponsoring their foot soldiers in the North East.
Now they are waking up to reap where they did not sow. Imagine making a law that would allow one ambitionless Imam or Alhaji to take over the board of trusty of a church, another man's sweat. What else is Islamization if I may ask?
This law is totally wrong and has very glaring hidden agenda.
God will never allow the gate of hell to prevail over his church.

Amen,bro.
Don't mind the rabble-rousers as their infrigement on Nigerians rights is out of this world!
So who controls the Funds that Boko-haram uses in the North? Where is the records in the Mosques Books? The Govt and it's agency has embarked on the most unpopular terrain.Even the genuine Funds of Crude Oil gotten from Niger Delta and Oloibiri since 1960 has not been majorly accounted for.You can just listened to CAC-Registrar's,boasting everyday now that the new CAMA-Changes signed by President is final and no one can challenge it because it if far higher than our Nigerian Constitution!
Then something is wrong somewhere.Just Negodu!

sonnie10:

Food is ready. Oya go and bring your Alfa to take over Redeem camp.
And if you are a Christian working for CAMA, the day they will send you to go take over a mosque in Borno don’t forget to write your will before you go.

You are making conjectures. If I don't reside in Borno why would I be appointed to take over a mosque in Borno , also there is this falsehood that the appointment of an administrator would cause the activities of the NGO i.e religious organization to cease forthwith especially.

Individuals must.learn to separate governance from spirituality & headship. That is something churches in Nigeria have failed to do and why this CAMA law is so urgently required.

I also don't have to step a foot in the mosque to administrate over the governance of said NGO, the administrator would only have control over governance matters, disbursement of fund's, auditing of the accounts, compliance of leadership to the established rules and regs of the organization as submitted to the CAC and compliance to CAC rules ensuring all documents are filled correctly and promptly.

Once the organization is compliant the administrator would oversee the appointment of a board of trustees in accordance to the rules and regulations that guide the organization.

These are simple matters the administrator has no business with spirituality or ethics within the organization.

middlebelter:


You must recognize that there's mutual suspicion between Muslim and Christians in this country. A sensitive government that value peace without ulterior motive will cleverly avoid such controversial law. Secondly you mentioned former CAN president being caught with dollars in South Africa, that is again mischievous. By now we understand better the incident you are referring to, procurement of arms in black market which the agents of politicians used to score cheap political points against the ruling government of PDP . Strong opposition to sale of as to Nigeria by Obama lead government after predicting Nigeria will disintegrate by 2015 due to his hatered for Nigeria for not embracing same sex marriage. Remember a strong Nigerian clergy if Anglican Communion lead a global opposition to Obama using the church platform.

It baffles me how Muslim are quick to criticize leadership of Christians but will not tolerate same for their leaders and religion. To think that this behind the curtain passage and signing or CAMA was done by a president that has failed to sign the PIB act is confunding . What happened to adequate consultation with stakeholders?Does he think w are still under military regime? Who is trying to benefit from distabilising Nigeria?

The loyalty of Me Present to Nigeria as an entity is being put to test once again, I hope he will choose a stable Nigeria to a divided country with strive?

Stop threatening with or religion......CAMA is across board why the fear/threat?
Are the Christians that wicked?
All the excesses by most of your religious leaders can not be regulated by CAN caused it.....
What is bad in the CAMA? are churches not registered as NGO?

Evercurious:



Yea.. but was over ran by islamic funadamentalist over time.. and Nigeria is gradually following the same pattern.. Go read up history

Poor student of history!