DappaD:


Arguing or stating facts?

DappaD:

Solite3 please do justice to this ASAP. We're waiting to hear from you.

solite3:
Have you answered mine?

Maximus69:


Then what are you still doing?

solite3:
Dont even mention facts here.
If I wanted facts I will turn to my bible not to some brainwashed TRINITY puppet.

Maximus69:


So case closed!

solite3:

Exposing you

solite3:
where are you running to? show me where the bible say Jesus was angel michael before coming to earth

DappaD:
Apply sense nah
Going by own logic, so all the sons of God—angels(Genesis 6:2, Job 1:6, 38:7) are now the same as Jehovah God?

solite3:
non of them is God begotten Son.

DappaD:
So where did the Bible now say the only begotten Son is the same as his Father, Jehovah God?
Evidence please!

DappaD:


You're still not getting it
If I give you 1Thessalonians 4:16 and explain that in the future, Jesus will come with an archangel's voice—confirming that he's the archangel Michael, you WILL not agree with me so why should I agree with your own explanation since you can't show me the scripture that said “Jesus is God” verbatim?

MuttleyLaff:




"For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us.
The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

Two answers for the price of one

WizzyVine:



As for the voice of an archangel, He can come in any voice He chooses. That doesn't mean He is then an archangel. He spoke to John in the voice of many waters, does that make Him many waters?

Don't fill the scriptures with your own words. The Bible can speak for itself. The scriptures then should then say:

"And He shall come in the voice of Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall come as Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall come in the form of Archangel Michael."

Or

"And He shall speak with the voice of Archangel Michael."



I know you shuddered at those scriptures but you've made up your mind to maintain your ego. Those scriptures are explicit enough, but if you want something more direct, look at Romans 9:4-5

King James

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.



New Living Translation

"Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen"

Christian Standard Bible

"The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen."

New International Version

"Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen."

Stunned?

You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free

DappaD:


If Jesus is indeed higher than the archangel Michael, then why would he come in the voice of a lesser angel? E no get im own voice normally?
There's only one way to reconcile all of these.

DappaD:
It has come to my notice that solite3 believes Jesus is God and he agrees he's a trinitarian.
But then again, WizzyVine also believes Jesus is God and he denies being a trinitarian.
So how do we resolve this issue on ground now?

WizzyVine:


You're merely being religious. What I'm denying is sectarianism. I wouldn't want what I believe to separate me from the rest of the body of Christ. What that statement means is that, we are one body, no matter what we believe.

DappaD:


If Jesus is indeed higher than the archangel Michael, then why would he come in the voice of a lesser angel? E no get im own voice normally?
There's only one way to reconcile all of these.

DappaD:


Our virtual meetings have been okay, thank you for asking.


Well let's explore the Scriptures then

Revelation 5:13

“And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and underneath the earth and on the sea, and all the things in them, saying: “To the One sitting on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.””

Notice the highlighted words, it will catch the attention of any honesthearted individual that the verse is referring to two DISTINCT individuals. I don't know if you agree?

Jehovah God is that “One” in capitals and never has Jesus been called “the One”, just his Father, Jehovah. See Isaiah 43:12, 48:17 Daniel 7:9,13; Habakkuk 1:13, Revelation 4:9-11
Of course, Jesus would receive honor being the “the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.”—John 1:29 but he and his Father/God are two individuals entirely and not some mishmash of personalities.

MuttleyLaff:

[size=12pt]"For a Child is born to us, a Son is given to us.

The government will rest on His shoulders. And He will be called:
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"
- Isaiah 9:6

DappaD:
It has come to my notice that solite3 believes Jesus is God and he agrees he's a trinitarian.
But then again, WizzyVine also believes Jesus is God and he denies being a trinitarian.
So how do we resolve this issue on ground now?

WizzyVine:


You asked for a scripture proof of Jesus' Godship and I provided it. Settle yourself down on the truth you have just discovered, and stop meddling with issues much higher than you.

MuttleyLaff:
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We obviously don't see the scriptures with the same understanding in very major ways because you and I understand scripture to the level of our submission to the Spirit of Truth. We understand scripture to how much we fill out to snuggly fit into the gift of the given out Holy Spirit. shadeyinka, we understand scripture according to the altitude of our individual and/or respective vantage points and/or the level/angle/direction/line of our perspective. Those two pictures I've pasted above, are worth more than twenty thousand words

Do all Jehovah Witnesses members stand tall and all be at the same and equal height, hmm?

Look at the fingers on your hand, are they all equal in length, hmm?
We all have different level of understanding, just as like fingers have different amount of length sizes, but when the fingers bend closely together, they miraculous appear looking like having the same amount of length size

We all arent going to view everything about theology in the same way, as each other does and enough to agree with each other about certain theological things, but hey what unites and bonds us all together, is greater than whatever our differences are. Also there is a way we get to be equal in length and that I already have shared using the fingers on the hands illustration

What we agree on, what unites us (i.e. the solite3, the WizzyVine et cetera of this world) is far more stronger and bigger than what we may disagree and differ on. What unites the fingers is greater than what is division among them

What unites all believers is far greater than that which divides us. We have different graces and different level of grace. We have the same Holy Spirit, but fit into same amount and equal Holy Spirit, size wise, differently

Maximus69:


If what you believe doesn't separate you from the body of Christ, then why worry about what JWs believe o?

Blabbermouth:

A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus WILL become be called Wonderful counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Blabbermouth:
Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

Maximus69:


I thought what he's been asking is a verse where it is WRITTEN

"JESUS IS GOD" that's all, no stories!

Maximus69:
[s]STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!

Where is it WRITTEN in the Bible that

"Jesus is God" [/s]

WizzyVine:


Worrying? You misconstrue.We can be devided in doctrines but united in Christ. Brethren are meant to teach one another and rub minds together to see scriptures from another perspective. Rubbing minds together, disputing doctrines does not translate to worrying.

Blabbermouth:
A child. A human child i.e. Baby Jesus.

Baby Jesus WILL become Wonderful counselor, Mighty God......... That's a human become divine.

Maximus69:
Isaiah didn't say "the child will become" but "he will be called"

WizzyVine:


Did you read the verses I presented him. Go down, read for yourself.

MuttleyLaff:


I wonder why He will be called, if He wasn't already what He will be called

Maximus69:
I thought the book said a new born baby nah!