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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Nobody: 6:23pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
AntiChristian: Alhamdulillah...... What else can they say .... Allahu Akbar..... So despite having a Trinity, Hitler killed six million Jews in one night....lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo... All these kafirs just believe useless stories..... |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 7:08pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
AntiChristian: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14). Fulfillment: "You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end" (Luke 1:31–33). |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by haddeylium(m): 7:27pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: To understand this God made Aaron the word or “mouth” of Moses, saying: “He must speak for you to the people; and it must occur that he will serve as a mouth to you, and you will serve as God to him.”—Ex 4:16. Does Aaron serving as Moses' word makes them coequal or the same being? THINK! In a similar way God’s firstborn Son (Jesus)doubtless served as the Mouth, or Spokesman, for his Father, the great King of Eternity. He was God’s Word of communication for conveying information and instructions to the Creator’s other spirit and human sons. To show this Jesus told his followers “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak. . . . Therefore the things I speak, just as the Father has told me them, so I speak them.”—Joh 12:49, 50; 14:10; 7:16, 17. 2 Likes |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 10:10pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: The word, voice, utterances, speech of God is definitely NOT a person. John 17:17. Numbers 23:19. Note that John 17:17 has no definite article (the) because it's not referencing a person. Luke9:35 , Matt3:16-17, when the word spoken by God was heard, Jesus ("the Word" in John1:1) was present there to hear God's voice. Therefore, Luke9:35 proves that the Trinitarians claim attached to John 1:1 is a scam. John 7:16. John 15;15 and Hebrew 1:1-2 is the reason Jesus is called "the Word" because he is the Spokesman for his God Almighty and Father. for instance, The Lagos Governor's Spokesman is a different being from the Governor. Likewise, The Word of John 1:1 is not the God of John 1:1, they are two different beings entirely. 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 10:23pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
DrLiveLogic: Revelation 1:8 9 out of 11 [81%] of the critical Greek texts have the word “God” after the word “Lord” All red-letter editions of the bible have Revelation 1:8 in red ink, which amounts to private interpretation which the scripture absolutely forbids in II Peter 1:20 the Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete Greek New testament, dated from the 4th century, has the word “God” after the word “Lord” The Lamsa Bible, translated from the ancient Aramaic Peshitta text from the 5th century, has the word “God” after the word “Lord” The Douey Rheims bible, translated from St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate text of 390 A.D. -405A.D. has the word “God” after the word “Lord”. The Afrikaans Peshitta translation has the word “God” after the word “Lord” The Armenian bible, translated from an ancient Syriac text in 411 A.D., has the word “God” after the word “Lord” The word “Almighty” in the Greek means: almighty; unrestricted power exercising absolute dominion; ruler of all, ruler of the universe The only entity qualified to be ruler of the entire universe is the one who designed and created it in the first place. This can only refer to God, not his human son Jesus Christ. The Companion reference bible says of Revelation 1:8 “The texts read “Lord God”. Conclusion: all biblical manuscripts before the 16th century have word “God” after the word “Lord” in Revelation 1:8. Therefore, this is a deliberate trinitarian forgery. Anybody whose heart and mind haven't been corrupted by the commandments, doctrines and traditions of men should be meek and humble enough to change their theologies and beliefs to match the rightly-divided word of God. Revelation 1:11 9 out of 11 [81%] of the critical Greek texts do not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” All red-letter editions of the bible have Revelation 1:11 in red ink, which amounts to private interpretation, which the scripture absolutely forbids in II Peter 1:20 the Codex Sinaiticus, the oldest complete Greek New testament, dated from the 4th century, does not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” The Lamsa Bible, translated from the ancient Aramaic Peshitta text from the 5th century, does not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” The Afrikaans Peshitta translation does not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” The Douey Rheims bible, translated from St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate text of 390 A.D. -405A.D. does not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” The Armenian bible, translated from an ancient Syriac text in 411 A.D., does not have the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” The Companion reference bible says of Revelation 1:11 “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” - "the texts omit" Conclusion: no biblical manuscript before the 16th century has the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and” in Revelation 1:11. Therefore, this is a deliberate forgery[b][/b] Source:" the felony forgeries of Revelation 1:8 &11", biblebookprofiler.com Continue deceiving yourselves |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Emusan(m): 10:41pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Before I continue with this, I'll simply ask you this so that we can have a base to start. 1. To you, what makes God to be God? (just list, no explanation is required) 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 10:49pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: MuttleyLaff: Blabbermouth:"But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken (i.e. You can be sure that on the Judgment Day you will have to give account of every useless word you have ever spoken Or I can guarantee that on judgment day people will have to give an account of every careless word they say. I tell you that every idle word that men speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken )" - Matthew 12:36 No matter what you will carelessly, recklessly or uselessly, in word(s), type on here, you can never deny, the fact, that creation, creature(s), the world et cetera were formed by twosome of the Word and Idea (i.e. ''God said, Let ... and it was so'') Word(s) breathes and gives life. It gives, thought and/or ideas deeper meaning We know that the overly used adage, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never break/hurt me" misleading and that's because actually "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can just shred your insides apart" Verbal abuse can leave deep psychological scars/psychological trauma, fear of bullies/tyrants and permanent brain damage. YES, Blabbermouth , my word is a person because I am a person of my word Now you answer this Blabbermouth: Are you a person of your word? |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 11:01pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Proudly JW.... Jesus Christ is the angel of Yahweh in Joshua 5:13-15, and the angel of the covenant in Malachi 3:1... Hebrew Malak = Son's of God/Messengers/ Angels/ are ministering spirits sent by Yahweh. Was Jesus not sent by Yahweh ? Hear from the horse's mouth and his eye witness John 3:16,John 15:15. John 7:16. 1John 4:14-15. Romans 8:3. The remarkable exploits of the angel of Yahweh abounds in the old testament (please go & learn). Joshua 5:13-15, 2 Thess1:7-9 ,Mark8:38, Matthew 25:31. Matt16:27, the angel of Yahweh leads other sons of God in battle and glory. Don't be DECEIVED by the Trinitarians False narrative, The angel of Yahweh is NOT Yahweh EL Shaddai. The angel of Yahweh is a Messenger who represents Yahweh, says the holy scriptures @ Hosea 12:3-4, Judges6:11-22 & Judges13:3-21.. 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 11:17pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
advocatejare:This is more of Humanity (son of Man) become divinity (God). The challenge was " Divinity become humanity " |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 11:43pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Did you see the he was like Son of Man? 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 11:48pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
advocatejare:Wetin consign me? All I need is a proof with the old testament only of "Divinity become humanity" of Jesus. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 11:49pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14). Fulfillment: "You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end" (Luke 1:31–33). 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 11:50pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
advocatejare:In visions, that means he had the appearance of a man. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 11:50pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:I've shown you 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 11:52pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Having the appearance of Man but he was with the ancient of days (divine ) who made man in his image 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 11:56pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
advocatejare:A son of man is a man. A son of God is a God. Even the angels were with the Ancient of days, does that make them divine (God)? |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 12:03am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Guy, if you want to be blind to the, "like the " then I will stop responding to you. You mentioned angels, mention where angels were also given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (Daniel 7:13–14). If you can mention any angel given such authorities, then that means you have a point, if not then you're a nuisance 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 12:08am On Aug 25, 2020 |
advocatejare:Daniel saw Christ as a man or human that became Divine by God's own unction. That's what I'm trying to show you. Like I said, we want "From Divinity to humanity"... You know that song that says " you came from heaven to earth, to show the way........" Exactly! That's what I want you to prove with the old testament. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 12:10am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Okay. I'll but you have to tell me your religion first. What do you believe in |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 12:13am On Aug 25, 2020 |
advocatejare:Christian. I believe in Christ. Whenever I create threads like this, the challenge or question is meant to open me to more truth... Also, for everyone(including me) to increase in the knowledge of God far more than we know before. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by advocatejare(m): 12:19am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:Wow, so you're a Christian. Your answer: Christ who appeared like the son of Man and was given authority when he was with God in heaven, later came to the world to be born of a Virgin Mary to set into motion, the process of establishing his everlasting kingdom on earth. If you're not satisfied with my answer, then search the scriptures on your own, don't expect people to spoon feed you if truly you're a Christian. You should be the one feeding the people with the word of God, but like I said, search the scriptures, if you can't find your answer, then make any inference you desire. Have a good night rest. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by MuttleyLaff: 5:28am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: advocatejare:"And Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere He might lay the head."" - Luke 9:58 The title the Son of Man often used by Yahusha Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, as like seen in Luke 9:58 above, is a clever, conscious, calculating and deliberate way of Yahusha Ha Mashiach expressing Himself for the benefit of the audience and/or hearers' understanding, that He, actually is begotten of the Father (i.e. revealing the Divinity and so divine side of Himself) and born of a mother (i.e. acknowledging the humanity and so humane, human being side of Himself) Blabbermouth:"For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6 "A voice cries: “In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord; make straight in the desert a highway for our God." - Isaiah 40:3 MuttleyLaff:Blabbermouth, why not have a stab at the above easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions, with giving questions #2, #3, #6, #7, #9 and #10 extra considerations, hmm? In fact, give all questions, deep reflections before attempting to respond to them 2 Likes |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by sagenaija: 10:45am On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth:At the bolded.... You ask for exactness. Show us in that Daniel passage where it points to a man becoming divine by God's action. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by DappaD: 1:56pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: Challenge? Is this some sort of game or what? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 5:56pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Whosoever has, to him more (witnesses) shall be given: 1st. " In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God. " 2nd. "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood ." 3rd. " The Lord is the Spirit :and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty." 4th. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the sons of God." 5th. "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." [/b] from the above, make your conclusion. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Janosky: 8:44pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Csonice1: Your quote of the DUBIOUSLY worded Acts 20:28 is claiming that Jesus (John 3:16-17) & Paul (Romans 8:3) are LIARS Bros,how can you marry your DUBIOUS Acts 20:28 and John 3:16? Your Acts 20:28 is either wrong or Jesus is wrong? Million dollar question: Why would Paul contradict himself @ Rom8:3 , Ephesians 1:3 & Acts20:28? And contradict Jesus @ John 3:16? The screenshot Evidence is PROOF Paul NEVER wrote the DUBIOUSLY worded Acts 20:28...
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Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 9:10pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:You still gave me your former answer in a different grammatical expression. When I asked "Is your word a person?", I meant " is your word a person and you yourself a person. Are you two persons? " Yes Sir, I am a person of my word. Howbeit my word is not a separate person from me. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 9:21pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Emusan:Ni bó ni kí a ti bèrè? Me I don't know much ooo, all I need is a proof of Jesus being Divine becoming Human with the old testament only. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 9:28pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:Why is everyone not sticking to rules? Sir, not the NT but the Old testament only! |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Emusan(m): 9:29pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Blabbermouth: So, how will you understand the question you yourself asked? If you don't know what makes God to be God. 1 Like |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Csonice1: 9:31pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Janosky: If you agree that you don't understand what you don't understand, you have solved the problem by half. This is a mystery: only those to whom it is given will understand it. I don't even try to impose it on anyone; [which means that our conversation is unnecessary] because you have no part to play in it; whether you like it or not, it's true. ( I really hate people saying that the Bible didn't say what it says; anyone can come up with such claims , to cover up insecurities, but the truth is insurmountable) Shalom. |
Re: Do You Subscribe To The Doctrine Of Trinity? If "Yes", Take This Challenge! by Blabbermouth: 9:47pm On Aug 25, 2020 |
Maximus69:Let's not force meaning and personal conclusions into the scripture. He said "let there be", which scripture shows he was issuing orders to some first-born creature? A supreme commander is not synonymous to a king. Hmmmm... |
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