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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by thonyman: 8:25am On Sep 13, 2020
Nairaland car talk section has educated many of us, I believe you are new and have not been using this section, avid users of the auto section won't make such expensive mistake.
Gazzuzz and co are there to assist with inspection at just a token charge when compared to what you will spent on repairs of this type of lemon purchase.
I really feel for you, but don't feel too bad, it happens like that sometimes. It could have been worse.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by thonyman: 8:26am On Sep 13, 2020
Nairaland car talk section has educated many of us, I believe you are new and have not been using this section, avid users of the auto section won't make such expensive mistake.
Gazzuzz and co are there to assist with inspection at just a token charge when compared to what you will spent on repairs of this type of lemon purchase.
I really feel for you, but don't feel too bad, it happens like that sometimes. It could have been worse.

Doslop:
I saw a Hyundai Sonata 2012 online and I liked the car so I called the seller and arranged for someone I know who is a driver he drives from Warri where I reside to Lagos every day so I told him to help me check out the car, since he’s a driver he should know about cars. So he got there checked the car and told me it is a perfect car that I should pay so I paid and he brought it to me.
When the car got home I started it and immediately I told him I don’t like the sound of the engine that it is too loud and he said it is fine I shouldn’t worry that’s how the car is.
When I drove it I discovered all the bearings on four legs were bad so I changed them the next day, and did lots of maintenance on it.
Fast forward exactly one week later which is yesterday I started hearing a metallic sound from the engine while I was driving so I quickly rushed to park the car. On calling a mechanic this morning he said the it is crankshaft and connecting rod noise that they have to dismantle the engine and change them or he’ll advise me to buy a new engine that if they repair the one on it it wouldn’t last at all.
I am here regretting my life who sent me to buy this car!
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by chukel(m): 8:27am On Sep 13, 2020
aieromon:


The engine is notorious for sudden failures at 100,000 miles. Do not bother with repairs. Get a replacement and please get one verified as low mileage using VIN service history providers.
you made a comment and gave an opposite advice. If there is sudden failure at 100k miles, then he has no business buying one less than 100k miles. He should look for one with at least 130k miles.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by chukel(m): 8:30am On Sep 13, 2020
Op, before you change that engine, make sure its not the turbo's actuator wastegate that is rattling. Let a good technician who is grounded in knowledge of this car check it out. Can you make an audio of the sound. Then snap your instrument cluster while car is on.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Doslop: 11:28am On Sep 13, 2020
promotervickky:
This is what happens to you when you fail to run a VINCheck.
I ran the VIn and the car seemed okay
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Kingdemu: 11:33am On Sep 13, 2020
Doslop:

I ran the VIn and the car seemed okay
Hard luck I'll suggest you go with Gazzuzz suggestion.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by sheu01: 11:35am On Sep 13, 2020
ArewaOduduwaBia:

Why did u buy a tokunbo car, don't you know where they sell the new one? I wonder when u people will stop patronising tokunbo/fairly used stuff.

If you cannot give better advice, u leave d guy. How many pple in Naija can buy new car with this naira devaluation. Those that can afford it are buying it. What's wrong with tokunbo car? If you buy new car and u use it for 10 years, are u telling me, u will go and deform d car and sell as scrap or u give scrap pple free of charge.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by promotervickky(m): 11:57am On Sep 13, 2020
Doslop:

I ran the VIn and the car seemed okay

Okay, did you scan? You can return the car to the dealers angry

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by FEGEITOK: 12:09pm On Sep 13, 2020
Doslop:
I saw a Hyundai Sonata 2012 online and I liked the car so I called the seller and arranged for someone I know who is a driver he drives from Warri where I reside to Lagos every day so I told him to help me check out the car, since he’s a driver he should know about cars. So he got there checked the car and told me it is a perfect car that I should pay so I paid and he brought it to me.
When the car got home I started it and immediately I told him I don’t like the sound of the engine that it is too loud and he said it is fine I shouldn’t worry that’s how the car is.
When I drove it I discovered all the bearings on four legs were bad so I changed them the next day, and did lots of maintenance on it.
Fast forward exactly one week later which is yesterday I started hearing a metallic sound from the engine while I was driving so I quickly rushed to park the car. On calling a mechanic this morning he said the it is crankshaft and connecting rod noise that they have to dismantle the engine and change them or he’ll advise me to buy a new engine that if they repair the one on it it wouldn’t last at all.
I am here regretting my life who sent me to buy this car!

Car is in Warri.

Warri is close to Benin.

Reach out to Sata Motors in Benin City.

Either arrange for them to see the vehicle or tow the vehicle to them to determine the real issue before going ahead.

At this point without a physical inspection, everything is conjecture.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/11/05/hyundai-motors-nigeria-names-sata-motors-new-benin-dealer/amp/

Sorry.

Best wishes

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by chukel(m): 12:19pm On Sep 13, 2020
Doslop:

I ran the VIn and the car seemed okay
ignore that one shouting Vin check up and down. He thinks a vin check will tell a bad engine. Okpo.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Elsueno: 4:24pm On Sep 13, 2020
Some sellers are wicked woh, d man obviously knew the engine get problem . But still pushed it to the op.

Trust me, the car dealer knew about this, RETURN THE RIDE, You might not get the cash back, BUT HE GO LET YOU SWITCH

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:08pm On Sep 13, 2020
grin grin grin

If you are in PH I can rebuild the engine for you.

But you go spend o

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:14pm On Sep 13, 2020
aieromon:


The engine is notorious for sudden failures at 100,000 miles. Do not bother with repairs. Get a replacement and please get one verified as low mileage using VIN service history providers.

Even that is not a guarantee grin

Your best bet....


Source for a used engine.

New engine must have a RED dipstick... NOT ORANGE OR YELLOW. (If you hook me up with Nengi of BBN I will tell you why grin)

When you are ready, I can help you with the process... Free of charge of course.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:18pm On Sep 13, 2020
GAZZUZZ:
450k plus loading....


Cc inception

Baba this one na the 2.0turbo o

E dear pass the N.A. 2.4 by farrr

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:23pm On Sep 13, 2020
chukel:
you made a comment and gave an opposite advice. If there is sudden failure at 100k miles, then he has no business buying one less than 100k miles. He should look for one with at least 130k miles.

Boss, that particular engine (2.0turbo) was known to even fail at mileages as low as 60,000 miles. The 2.4 even faired better.

Piston slap, worn crankshaft bearings, metallic particles left over from the factory deburring process on the crankshaft, weak oil pump/ balance shaft design, you name it....

I mean it is rare to see any Hyundai/kia product having this particular engine that exceeded 150,000 miles without engine replacement

Hyundai/kia no try for this one at all for this engine...
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:29pm On Sep 13, 2020
chukel:
ignore that one shouting Vin check up and down. He thinks a vin check will tell a bad engine. Okpo.

No mind them grin

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:37pm On Sep 13, 2020
adanny01:


The issue with crank shaft is that you hardly can know exactly what the problem is without removing it.

However, since the car is parked at the moment, get a good mechanic to remove the engine sump (bottom plate) and check the connecting rod bearings and crankshaft journals. You could be lucky if its the connecting rod bearings, you can replace the bearings with a new and maybe pack them. I did same to a car and it has been 2yrs with no issues. Most mechanics will not want to work under the car like that and would prefer to drop off the engine. This procedure could also be complicated by the presence of oil pump in some cars.

If the issue is main bearings or crankshaft main bearing journals, just get a toks engine.



Bros bros grin

Not with this kind of engine o grin

Any engine rebuilder that does not have micrometers, callipers, torque wrenches and dial bore gauge (or he has but does not know how to use them) has no business rebuilding these Hyundai engines.

They are very tolerance sensitive and you must respect the specifications as stated in the service manual, if not engine will seize again after 5 km drive grin
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 5:43pm On Sep 13, 2020
GAZZUZZ:


It has turbo.... ₦800,000k plus

Yeah more like it grin
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:48pm On Sep 13, 2020
Inception:



Bros bros grin

Not with this kind of engine o grin

Any engine rebuilder that does not have micrometers, callipers, torque wrenches and dial bore gauge (or he has but does not know how to use them) has no business rebuilding these Hyundai engines.

They are very tolerance sensitive and you must respect the specifications as stated in the service manual, if not engine will seize again after 5 km drive grin

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by adanny01(m): 8:06pm On Sep 13, 2020
Inception:



Bros bros grin

Not with this kind of engine o grin

Any engine rebuilder that does not have micrometers, callipers, torque wrenches and dial bore gauge (or he has but does not know how to use them) has no business rebuilding these Hyundai engines.

They are very tolerance sensitive and you must respect the specifications as stated in the service manual, if not engine will seize again after 5 km drive grin

That's not what am saying. Am not talking of rebuilding at all.

What am saying is, if the crankshaft noise is actually worn out connecting rod bearing or crankshaft journals, then the fix is easier which doesn't require the engine to be dropped or rebuilt. Connecting rod bearings and journal are accessible from the sump without dropping the engine. Pls note, I am talking about connecting rod bearings, not crankshaft main bearing or thrust bearings.

I had it done on 1zz and its been 2yrs. In that case, the connecting rod bearings were worn and journal for cylinder 3 was a little out of spec. All the connecting rod bearings were changed to new and number 3 required additional packing. The packing was just paper.

Like I said before, some cars have oil pump that block access, which complicates the process because the pump will need to give way.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by Inception(m): 9:23pm On Sep 13, 2020
adanny01:


That's not what am saying. Am not talking of rebuilding at all.

What am saying is, if the crankshaft noise is actually worn out connecting rod bearing or crankshaft journals, then the fix is easier which doesn't require the engine to be dropped or rebuilt. Connecting rod bearings and journal are accessible from the sump without dropping the engine. Pls note, I am talking about connecting rod bearings, not crankshaft main bearing or thrust bearings.

I had it done on 1zz and its been 2yrs. In that case, the connecting rod bearings were worn and journal for cylinder 3 was a little out of spec. All the connecting rod bearings were changed to new and number 3 required additional packing. The packing was just paper.

Like I said before, some cars have oil pump that block access, which complicates the process because the pump will need to give way.

The peculiar failure point of this engine is its connecting rod bearings ( usually no.1 and in some cases no2 and 3). In some cases it starts with a knock. In some cases it seizes without warning. What causes the former most of the time is metal shavings present in the crankshaft (as it was not properly cleaned after machining from factory). What causes the latter most of the time is oil shortage ( in which over time will lead to extreme oil consumption that will catch the owner unawares when he runs out of oil, particularly during long distances) due to the very thin piston ring design used in the theta II engine series.

Why am I saying all these grammar? It gives us an insight of how to tackle the issues when working on this engine. The tolerances used on this engine are very tight compared to the 1zz engine. Using 'packing' can completely close up oil film clearance or make it too lose , causing catastrophic drop in oil pressure. The oil pump for this engine is not great. Hence if the rebuild option is the only choice , the crankshaft must be replaced and measured, with bearings sized as per manufacturers spec.
To avoid this happening again, it is also advisable you ring the engine as most suffer from excessive oil consumption once they hit 100,000 miles.

Changing all conrod bearing would require a removal of the engine as there is a ladder frame present that would prevent you from reaching conrod bearings 2 and 3. The oil pump/balance shaft assy is bolted to this ladder frame.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 9:40pm On Sep 13, 2020
never buy a nigerian used hyundai or kia that you dont know its maintenance history, infact, a foreign used toyota is much better that any of those expensive korean toys. moreso, your guy has swindled you behind your back and received a reward from the seller by approving a bad car for you. when it comes to buying cars, dont trust your mechanic or even your brother cos if they see beta money, them go forget you sharp sharp.
Doslop:
I saw a Hyundai Sonata 2012 online and I liked the car so I called the seller and arranged for someone I know who is a driver he drives from Warri where I reside to Lagos every day so I told him to help me check out the car, since he’s a driver he should know about cars. So he got there checked the car and told me it is a perfect car that I should pay so I paid and he brought it to me.
When the car got home I started it and immediately I told him I don’t like the sound of the engine that it is too loud and he said it is fine I shouldn’t worry that’s how the car is.
When I drove it I discovered all the bearings on four legs were bad so I changed them the next day, and did lots of maintenance on it.
Fast forward exactly one week later which is yesterday I started hearing a metallic sound from the engine while I was driving so I quickly rushed to park the car. On calling a mechanic this morning he said the it is crankshaft and connecting rod noise that they have to dismantle the engine and change them or he’ll advise me to buy a new engine that if they repair the one on it it wouldn’t last at all.
I am here regretting my life who sent me to buy this car!

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 9:42pm On Sep 13, 2020
low mileage is not proof a good car
chukel:
you made a comment and gave an opposite advice. If there is sudden failure at 100k miles, then he has no business buying one less than 100k miles. He should look for one with at least 130k miles.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 9:44pm On Sep 13, 2020
that is not enough to know what's rattling in the motor
chukel:
Op, before you change that engine, make sure its not the turbo's actuator wastegate that is rattling. Let a good technician who is grounded in knowledge of this car check it out. Can you make an audio of the sound. Then snap your instrument cluster while car is on.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 9:53pm On Sep 13, 2020
he should be looking for a good engine not a low mileage engine, cos low mileage does not determine a good engine.
9icetoo:

Contact Gazzuzz, he may be able to help you source for a low mileage engine.

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 10:01pm On Sep 13, 2020
oga, running a vin check only gives you an idea of the vehicle's maintenance history before being sold out and shipped into nigeria, that is only how far you can see with a vin check. you can never know what repair has undergone once it has breathe nigerian dust. why not blame the person who did the inspection for incompetence or greed quote author=promotervickky post=93852375]This is what happens to you when you fail to run a VINCheck.[/quote]
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by iokpebholo: 10:04pm On Sep 13, 2020
GAZZUZZ:


It has turbo.... ₦800,000k plus
This d singular reason I can never buy a Hyundai car with my money.A whole 800k for an engine that will still fail.Rubbish
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 10:08pm On Sep 13, 2020
korean engines usually don't have high integrity, he should just get a new one
adanny01:


The issue with crank shaft is that you hardly can know exactly what the problem is without removing it.

However, since the car is parked at the moment, get a good mechanic to remove the engine sump (bottom plate) and check the connecting rod bearings and crankshaft journals. You could be lucky if its the connecting rod bearings, you can replace the bearings with a new and maybe pack them. I did same to a car and it has been 2yrs with no issues. Most mechanics will not want to work under the car like that and would prefer to drop off the engine. This procedure could also be complicated by the presence of oil pump in some cars.

If the issue is main bearings or crankshaft main bearing journals, just get a toks engine.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by lyort: 10:24pm On Sep 13, 2020
ahhhhhh! lobatan. you were making sense all the while, but now, you just messed it all up
What the hell is a paper doing in the main reciprocating components of an engine. i'm sure the owner of that car is a pokey driver and not a maniac like me, i'll bet that paper you used to park the con rod bearing will give way within one week of my driving. i have zero tolerance when it comes to engine repair and overhaul and at every worse case scenario if i have to make a compromise, it must not be too far from the manufacturer's standard.
adanny01:


That's not what am saying. Am not talking of rebuilding at all.

What am saying is, if the crankshaft noise is actually worn out connecting rod bearing or crankshaft journals, then the fix is easier which doesn't require the engine to be dropped or rebuilt. Connecting rod bearings and journal are accessible from the sump without dropping the engine. Pls note, I am talking about connecting rod bearings, not crankshaft main bearing or thrust bearings.

I had it done on 1zz and its been 2yrs. In that case, the connecting rod bearings were worn and journal for cylinder 3 was a little out of spec. All the connecting rod bearings were changed to new and number 3 required additional packing. The packing was just paper.

Like I said before, some cars have oil pump that block access, which complicates the process because the pump will need to give way.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by diportivo: 10:35pm On Sep 13, 2020
promotervickky:


Okay, did you scan? You can return the car to the dealers angry



who be dis werey?

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walahii u no well fa

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Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by adanny01(m): 10:53pm On Sep 13, 2020
Inception:


The peculiar failure point of this engine is its connecting rod bearings ( usually no.1 and in some cases no2 and 3). In some cases it starts with a knock. In some cases it seizes without warning. What causes the former most of the time is metal shavings present in the crankshaft (as it was not properly cleaned after machining from factory). What causes the latter most of the time is oil shortage ( in which over time will lead to extreme oil consumption that will catch the owner unawares when he runs out of oil, particularly during long distances) due to the very thin piston ring design used in the theta II engine series.

Why am I saying all these grammar? It gives us an insight of how to tackle the issues when working on this engine. The tolerances used on this engine are very tight compared to the 1zz engine. Using 'packing' can completely close up oil film clearance or make it too lose , causing catastrophic drop in oil pressure. The oil pump for this engine is not great. Hence if the rebuild option is the only choice , the crankshaft must be replaced and measured, with bearings sized as per manufacturers spec.
To avoid this happening again, it is also advisable you ring the engine as most suffer from excessive oil consumption once they hit 100,000 miles.

Changing all conrod bearing would require a removal of the engine as there is a ladder frame present that would prevent you from reaching conrod bearings 2 and 3. The oil pump/balance shaft assy is bolted to this ladder frame.




You got my point right this time. Only that you don't think Kazeems can do it without veneer calipers or micrometer screw gauge.

If the conrod bearings are the usual weak spots, then I think it's worth a try since an 800k replacement no be beans. But I still won't advise him to drop off the engine for that. With a gear pump, it means the timing chain and pump must be removed first.

Engine is rotated to bring No 1 and 4 down and worked on and then later engine rotated to bring down No 2 and 3. That's how its done.

The packing is required if the journal is worn given too much clearance to the closest available bearing size. Papers have different thicknesses, so an appropriate one would be chosen and can be folded as required to adjust the thickness.

The packing is placed between the conrod and bearing so it works without hindering any oil flow since oil is needed on the moving face of bearing and journal only. Where a bearing has an oil hole, a hole is punched in the paper.

Every engine requires lubrication, 1ZZ requires it too. If done too tight, yes, 1getting required lubrication would pose a big threat to the crankshaft recreating the problem. This thing requires experience and with the right Mechanic, it can be done if its only conrod. Only that its stressful working under the car.
Re: One Week Old Tokumbo Car With Engine Problem Please Help by adanny01(m): 11:05pm On Sep 13, 2020
lyort:
ahhhhhh! lobatan. you were making sense all the while, but now, you just messed it all up
What the hell is a paper doing in the main reciprocating components of an engine. i'm sure the owner of that car is a pokey driver and not a maniac like me, i'll bet that paper you used to park the con rod bearing will give way within one week of my driving. i have zero tolerance when it comes to engine repair and overhaul and at every worse case scenario if i have to make a compromise, it must not be too far from the manufacturer's standard.

You will be surprised to know that it works and has been working for decades.

How does it work is the question you should be asking if you don't know.

For 2 yrs, the paper is still sitting inside the 1zz. The car has never stopped working 1 day or made any crankshaft noise since then. I prefer to put the paper than rebuild the engine. If i rebuilt that engine, something could have gone wrong by now.

And the paper is an 'if'.

If the paper can make the noise go away and work 100% with a 30k budget, would you prefer to rebuild the engine at say 200k or buy the engine at 800k? Meanwhile that rebuild is the worst option since there is no guarantees.

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