Islam The Religion Of Peace

The persecution of Muslims on Nairaland and the social media in general is a clear pointer to the intolerance of Islam and Muslims by people of other faiths and beliefs..
It's obvious there is a deliberate scheme to bad mouth Islam and Muslims to stray. Some non Muslims on this platform seize every opportunity to denigrate Islam, it books, prophet and adherents without any modicum of restraint.
They come as Atheists, Christians and Ex Muslims (mostly false) in unity, to cast malicious attacks on everything the Muslims revere. They have pervert answers to every issue relating to Islam and they don't mince words. They understand Islam more than the Muslims. They give fatwas better than renowned Islamic jurists and sheikh.
They call the prophet, Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet all manners of unwholesome names, and interpretations to suite their perversions and arrogance.

The moderators having noticed the Mischiefs by these non Muslims on this land, gave the Muslims a safe space to discuss issues that affect them. They still take the oath and come in to the Muslim space to malign Islam. Subhanallah! I wonder how all these attacks on Islam justify their own faith or tolerance for Islam.
Sometimes one wonders if these non Muslims have ever met with Muslims or does anything with Muslims to stoop so low when the issue of Islam and Muslims is concern.

Yes, there is free speech. There should also be feelings for the other. How do you denigrate what i hold dear and can even give my life for and yet expect peace?
It is equivalent to asking for the impossible!
If non Muslims choose to speak despicably about Islam, they should not query the way Muslims choose to respond. With the population of Muslims in Nigeria, nobody should feign ignorant of the Religion of Islam. For some Nigerians to denigrate Islam and Muslims on the social media on a daily bases can only be described as unfortunate and a hatred for what could have benefitted them if only they know.

The actions of a very small fraction of the Muslim population cannot be used as a standard for nearly two billion other Muslims.
There are Muslims everywhere doing great things to improve the world and humanity, there is hardly any mention of them. Yet, these enemies only concentrate on the few minuses from some muslims. It grieves their heart to see Islam and Muslims triumph.
Allah aptly captures it:

If something goes in your favour, it grieves them; but if some pain afflicts you, that pleases them. However, if you keep patience and guard yourselves against evil persistently, their deceitfulness will do you no harm. And indeed Allah has encompassed all that they are doing.
[3:120] Āl ‘Imrān

Faithful Muslims have said it on every opportunity; No terrorists group represents Islam, even if it claims to do. But, Islam gives room for self defence.

As the Holy Qur’an states:
“Permission to take up arms is given to those against whom war is made,
because they have been wronged and Allah, indeed, has power to help them.
Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly,
only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah.’...
(Al Hajj 22:40-41)

And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors. (Al Baqarah 2:191)

Those who persecute Muslims on Nairaland are not any different or better than the Boko haram or any Terrorist group they malign Islam for. They are simply doing on the social media space with their evil thoughts and desires, what the Terrorists do on ground.
They should be reminded that Muslims do not take lightly insults on Allah, the Prophet and his household and the Pius companions. No apology!
Allah says:

[33:56]
"Surely, Allah and (all) His angels send blessings and greetings on the Holy Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him). O believers! Invoke blessings on him and salute him with a worthy salutation of peace abundantly (and fervently)."

[33:57]
"Surely, those who offend Allah and His Prophet, Allah curses them in the world and in the Hereafter and He has prepared for them a disgraceful torment."

[33:58]
"And those who hurt the believing men and the believing women without their doing anything (wrong), surely, they bear (themselves) the burden of a false allegation and an open sin."

Allah further warns those who are bent on maligning Islam and Muslims:

[33:60]
"If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is the disease (of malice and insolence against the Holy Prophet [blessings and peace be upon him]) and (likewise) those who spread false rumours in Medina do not desist, then We shall certainly make you Overmaster them. Then they will not be able to stay in the neighbourhood of Medina but for a few (days)."
[33:61)
"(These) accursed (militant, terrorist and riotous) people (engaged in violent anti-state conspiracies), wherever found, are to be seized and every one of them to be killed (as punishment for their rebellious activities, making them awful signs, to eliminate the threats to peace once and for all)."
[33:62]
"THIS PRACTICE OF ALLAH HAS (CONTINUED) THROUGH GENERATIONS THAT HAVE PASSED BEFORE, AND YOU WILL NEVER FIND ANY AMENDMENT IN THE WAY PRACTISED BY ALLAH."

Muslims on their part have shown tolerance in the face of all that is being thrown at them on Nairaland. They have shown that Islam is truly a religion of tolerance, peace, and good virtues no matter what any Atheist, Christian, or ex Muslim might think.

[3:110]
"You are the best community brought forth for (the guidance of) mankind: you enjoin righteousness, forbid evil and believe in Allah. Had the People of the Book also embraced faith, that would certainly have been in their favour. There are some amongst them who believe, whilst the majority of them are disobedient."

[6:108]
"And, (O Muslims,) do not abuse these (false gods) that these (polytheists) worship besides Allah, lest these people should (also, in retaliation,) revile against Allah’s Glory wrongfully due to ignorance. Thus have We made the conduct of every sect (and faction) seem attractive to (their own eyes and they regard only that as truth). Then all have to return to their Lord, and He will inform them of (the results of) their deeds which they used to do."

In light of the above verses, i will urge Muslims to remain steadfast in the face of gross provocation by Kafirs on Nairaland and elsewhere.

[49:7]
"... But Allah has blessed you with the love of faith and has embellished it in your hearts and has made you hate disbelief, disobedience and sins. Such are they that follow the path of Din (Religion) resolutely and steadfastly."

Muslims must continue to portray the qualities and virtues of the prophet (SAW) which eventually gave him victory in the face of all odds from evildoers. Allah is only giving the kafirs respite but awhile.

[9:32]
"They desire to extinguish the Light of Allah by blowing through their mouths. And Allah rejects (it) but (wills) to manifest His Light to its fullness, even though the disbelievers dislike (it)."

They crave to instill doubt in your hearts regarding your faith in Allah through conjectures and self desires and arrogance to the clear signs of Allah. Their efforts shall come to null.

[10:36]
"Most of them follow nothing but conjecture. Surely, conjecture cannot in the least substitute for the truth. Assuredly, Allah knows best what they do."

[45:31]
"And those who disbelieved (it will be said to them ‘Were My Verses not recited to you? But you showed arrogance and you were the evildoers.’"
[45:32]
"And when it was said: ‘The promise of Allah is true, and there is no doubt about (the coming of) the Last Hour,’ you used to say: ‘We do not know what the Last Hour is; we regard it nothing but a conjecture; nor do we have any faith in it."
[45:33]
"And all their evil works which they used to do will be exposed, and that (torment) which they used to make fun of will beset them."
[45:34]
"And it will be said (to them): ‘Today We forget you as you forgot your Meeting on this Day. And Hell is your abode and there will be no helper for you."
[45:35]
"That (is) so because you made fun of Allah’s Revelations, and the worldly life deceived you.’ So Today neither will they be taken out of that (Hell), nor will there be accepted from them any attempt to seek (Allah’s) pleasure by means of repentance."

[10:66]
"Know! To Allah belongs whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth. And those who worship (idols) besides Allah do not (in fact) follow (even) their (own sculptured) partner-gods. THEY FOLLOW BUT ONLY (THEIR OWN) ASSUMPTION AND CONJECTURE, AND THEY MERELY INDULGE IN WRONG GUESSWORK."

Muslims should not get irritated or deviated by their vile words against Islam. But engage them with the correct perspectives of Islam and it practises. Muslims must counter all their lies and wrong interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith for the benefit of those who might be confused by their perversions.

[29:68]
"And who can be more unjust than someone who fabricates a lie concerning Allah or belies the truth when it comes to him? Is there not an apartment in Hell (appointed) for the disbelievers?"

[28:87]
"And never let these (disbelievers) turn you away from (implementing and preaching of) the Revelations of Allah after they have been sent down to you. And keep calling (the people) towards your Lord, and never become of those who associate partners with Allah."

Lastly Allah enjoins us to invite them to the right path with wisdom rather than following them to the gutters.

[16:125]
(O Glorious Messenger!) Invite towards the path of your Lord with wisdom and refined exhortation and (also) argue with them in a most decent manner. Surely, your Lord knows well the one who strayed away from His path, and He also knows well the rightly guided.

May Allah accept our efforts towards educating the unbelievers about Islam. May Allah open the hearts perverts to understandings of Islam. May Allah make it easy for us.
May Allah accept all our acts of Iba'dah.

Wa Salamu Alaikum.

mhmsadyq:
Islam The Religion Of Peace

The persecution of Muslims on Nairaland and the social media in general is a clear pointer to the intolerance of Islam and Muslims by people of other faiths and beliefs..
It's obvious there is a deliberate scheme to bad mouth Islam and Muslims to stray. Some non Muslims on this platform seize every opportunity to denigrate Islam, it books, prophet and adherents without any modicum of restraint.
They come as Atheists, Christians and Ex Muslims (mostly false) in unity, to cast malicious attacks on everything the Muslims revere. They have pervert answers to every issue relating to Islam and they don't mince words. They understand Islam more than the Muslims. They give fatwas better than renowned Islamic jurists and sheikh.
They call the prophet, Qur'an and Hadith of the Prophet all manners of unwholesome names, and interpretations to suite their perversions and arrogance.

Yes, there is free speech. There should also be feelings for the other. How do you denigrate what i hold dear and can even give my life for and yet expect peace?
It is equivalent to asking for the impossible!

Did you say 'persecution'?
That shows the extent to which Islam twists your brains.
So, pointing the errors, contradictions and anomalies in Islam now equates to persecution?

Sometimes one wonders if you guys know the meaning of the words you use. Maybe you just use whatever you think is convenient or what will whip up emotions.

One is however not surprised that you are following the footsteps of your prophet whose response to verbal disagreements was the killing of the opposition.

The Koran verses you quoted clearly shows that if it possible you will go for the heads of your perceived enemies of islam.

No Christian hate Moslems. What we do is simply point out the inconsistencies and errors in Islam. How that can be said to be 'persecution' can only be understood by little minds.

You certainly have the option of showing if those pointed out are not so. But what you guys do is to claim 'You don't understand', 'The Arabic has different meanings' or the like. That is if you don't run to the usual 'Allah knows best'.

At the end of the day you just choose to believe what you want no matter how ridiculous it might be. You close your eyes to clear issues and decide to run with your own ideas of what you think Islam is.

Even ex-moslems are 'false'. Why? Because of your wrong assumption that no moslem can change his mind about the religion. If such a thinking is not warped then the rest of us must be nuts.

Whatever we say are from Islamic books and sources.

If we say that Mohamed married a 6 year old and show it from Islam's most trusted sources how does that amount to denigrating Islam? That is simply the truth. If we say that Mohamed raided caravans, attacked communities and took over their wealth, saw to the killing of a woman of over 80 years by tying her legs to two camels and driving them off in separate directions until her body was torn apart that is the truth. How morally justifiable these acts by a so called prophet are becomes the issue. If you think he was right in doing these things why do you think so? If another person thinks he is not right in doing them how does that amount to denigrating him? Is it not the Moslems who are actually INTOLERANT of other people's opinions?

If you have the right to hold your position which may be offensive to another person's moral standards why do you think he has no right to his own opinion? How does the expression of his opinion amount to 'persecution' of Islam?

sagenaija:
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Did you say 'persecution'?
That shows the extent to which Islam twists your brains.
So, pointing the errors, contradictions and anomalies in Islam now equates to persecution?

Sometimes one wonders if you guys know the meaning of the words you use. Maybe you just use whatever you think is convenient or what will whip up emotions.

One is however not surprised that you are following the footsteps of your prophet whose response to verbal disagreements was the killing of the opposition.

The Koran verses you quoted clearly shows that if it possible you will go for the heads of your perceived enemies of islam.

No Christian hate Moslems. What we do is simply point out the inconsistencies and errors in Islam. How that can be said to be 'persecution' can only be understood by little minds.

You certainly have the option of showing if those pointed out are not so. But what you guys do is to claim 'You don't understand', 'The Arabic has different meanings' or the like. That is if you don't run to the usual 'Allah knows best'.

At the end of the day you just choose to believe what you want no matter how ridiculous it might be. You close your eyes to clear issues and decide to run with your own ideas of what you think Islam is.

Even ex-moslems are 'false'. Why? Because of your wrong assumption that no moslem can change his mind about the religion. If such a thinking is not warped then the rest of us must be nuts.

Whatever we say are from Islamic books and sources.

If we say that Mohamed married a 6 year old and show it from Islam's most trusted sources how does that amount to denigrating Islam? That is simply the truth. If we say that Mohamed raided caravans, attacked communities and took over their wealth, saw morally justifiable these acts by a so called prophet are becomes the issue. If you think he was right in doing these things why do you think so? If another person thinks he is not right in doing them how does that amount to denigrating him? Is it not the Moslems who are actually INTOLERANT of other people's opinions?

If you have the right to hold your position which may be offensive to another person's moral standards why do you think he has no right to his own opinion? How does the expression of his opinion amount to 'persecution' of Islam?

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE FOR WHAT YOU STATED HERE:

"to the killing of a woman of over 80 years by tying her legs to two camels and driving them off in separate directions until her body was torn apart"

motayoayinde:

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE FOR WHAT YOU STATED HERE:
"to the killing of a woman of over 80 years by tying her legs to two camels and driving them off in separate directions until her body was torn apart"

I know that many Moslems don't know much about their religion.

Even Prophet Google (Peace be upon him) can readily help out.

In this year a raiding party led by Zaid b. Harithah set out against Umm Qirfah in the month of Ramadan. During it, Umm Qirfah (Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr) suffered a cruel death. He tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman.

Her story is as follows. According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Ishaq- ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr, who said: The Messenger of God sent Zayd b. Harithah to Wadi al-Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his companions were killed there, and Zayd was carried away wounded from among the slain. One of those killed was Ward b. ‘Amr, one of the Banu Badr [b. Fazarah]. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing [to cleanse him] from impurity should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered from his wounds, the Messenger of God sent him with an army against the Banu Fazarah. He met them in Wadi al-Qura and inflicted casualties on them. Qays b. al-Musahhar al-Ya‘muri killed Mas‘adah b. Hakamah b. Malik b. Badr and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. (Her name was Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr. She was married to Malik b. Hudhayfah b. Badr. SHE WAS A VERY OLD WOMAN.) He also took one of Umm Qirfah’s daughters and ‘Abdallah b. Mas‘adah prisoner. Zayd b. Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfah, AND HE KILLED HER CRUELLY. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels and they split her in two ... (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein [State University of New York Press, Albany 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 95-96; bold and capital emphasis ours)

many mental cases on Nairaland. Islamists are killing others and one foól is busy calling opinions persecution.

sagenaija:

I know that many Moslems don't know much about their religion.

Even Prophet Google (Peace be upon him) can readily help out.

In this year a raiding party led by Zaid b. Harithah set out against Umm Qirfah in the month of Ramadan. During it, Umm Qirfah (Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr) suffered a cruel death. He tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman.

Her story is as follows. According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Ishaq- ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr, who said: The Messenger of God sent Zayd b. Harithah to Wadi al-Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his companions were killed there, and Zayd was carried away wounded from among the slain. One of those killed was Ward b. ‘Amr, one of the Banu Badr [b. Fazarah]. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing [to cleanse him] from impurity should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered from his wounds, the Messenger of God sent him with an army against the Banu Fazarah. He met them in Wadi al-Qura and inflicted casualties on them. Qays b. al-Musahhar al-Ya‘muri killed Mas‘adah b. Hakamah b. Malik b. Badr and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. (Her name was Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr. She was married to Malik b. Hudhayfah b. Badr. SHE WAS A VERY OLD WOMAN.) He also took one of Umm Qirfah’s daughters and ‘Abdallah b. Mas‘adah prisoner. Zayd b. Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfah, AND HE KILLED HER CRUELLY. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels and they split her in two ... (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein [State University of New York Press, Albany 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 95-96; bold and capital emphasis ours)

I THOUGHT AS MUCH.

AFTER SCOURING THE BOOKS OF YOUR RABID ISLAMOPHOBES, ALL YOU COULD COME UP WITH IS THE REPORT OF A HISTORIAN.
EVEN WITH YOUR LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS CANNOT COUNT AS A HADITH.

THIS YOUR "HADITH" (if you regard it as such) IS UNGRADED.
IT HAS TO BE SAHIH OR HASAN OR DAEEF AND BE RECORDED BY A HADITH SCHOLAR (muhaddith), KNOWN TO MUSLIMS BEFORE BEEN QUALIFIED AS EVIDENCE, NOT AN UNCONFIRMED NARRATION OF A HISTORIAN (At tabari in this case).

IF THE HADITH HAD BEEN CLASSIFIED EVEN AS WEAK(daeef), AND KNOWN TO ANY BOOK OF HADITH, I WOULD HAVE ACCEPTED IT AND CONGRATULATED YOU FOR KNOWING A HADITH THAT I DON'T.

NOW TACKLING YOUR LIES,
FIRST, IN YOUR POST, YOU CLAIMED (clearly) THAT THE WOMAN WAS EIGHTY YEARS OLD, WHERE IS THAT STATED IN THE" EVIDENCE" YOU GAVE? (supposing it's true),
YOU SIMPLY MADE IT UP TO EMBELLISH YOUR STORY, SO THAT THE PROPHET IS BADLY MALIGNED AS USUAL.

SECONDLY. YOU GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE PROPHET GAVE A SPECIFIC ORDER TO KILL THE WOMAN, WHEREAS, IT WAS A WAR SITUATION IN WHICH THE PROPHET WAS NOT PRESENT AND IN WHICH SOME WILL ALWAYS DO AS THEY ARE NOT TOLD.
THE PROPHET HAS HAD CAUSE TO BE ANGRY WITH SOME COMPANIONS WHO KILLED UNLAWFULLY IN BATTLE.

THIRDLY, CLEARLY, WHAT MAKES YOUR EVIDENCE THE MORE STRANGE IS THAT, ISLAM HAS RULES OF ENGAGEMENT IN WAR, ONE OF WHICH IS THAT, IT IS HARAM TO KILL IN THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED AND MUTILATE THE DEAD BODY EVEN OF AN ENEMY.

IF THIS HAD HAPPENED WHILE THE PROPHET WAS ALIVE, HE'D HAVE KNOWN ABOUT IT AND WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE BEEN REALLY UPSET ABOUT IT FOR IT'S CLEARLY FORBIDDEN IN ISLAM.
SO, YOUR CLAIM AGAIN IS VERY DOUBTFUL.

LASTLY, I MUST SAY THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THE REASON WHY CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU FALL OVER YOURSELVES, LOOKING FOR TALES OF VIOLENCE (real or imagined), TO PIN ON THE PROPHET, WHILE YOUR BIBLE DEPICTS SCENES THAT ARE FAR MORE VIOLENT, CARRIED OUT BY BIBLICAL FIGURES THAT YOU'VE CONTINUED TO PRAISE, ADORE AND EVEN NAME YOUR KIDS AFTER.

THAT'S HYPOCRITICAL.

motayoayinde:


I THOUGHT AS MUCH.

AFTER SCOURING THE BOOKS OF YOUR RABID ISLAMOPHOBES, ALL YOU COULD COME UP WITH IS THE REPORT OF A HISTORIAN.
EVEN WITH YOUR LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS CANNOT COUNT .

Moslems like you can deny even your prophet's words & life and even Allah just to win an argument.

So, suddenly, Al-Tabari is now just 'a historian'?

The height of your denial and deception is grand.

Al-Tabari was a Moslem historian and religious scholar whose records of events are the most important source for the early history of Islam. He is also a widely acclaimed author of an outstanding commentary on the Koran. 

But because this his record does not fit your narrative you are ready to sacrifice him.

You guys keep running from one end to the other. If historians are quoted you ask for hadith. When hadith is given you insist on the Koran. When you shown the Koran you will either ask for it in Arabic or claim that it is misunderstood. After all 'Allah knows best'.

At the end of the day you run with your own personal idea of what you THINK islam is. You REJECT portions of even Islam's most trusted sources and even the koran where it conflicts with your IDEA of what Islam SHOULD be. You are so self-deceived that you don't even know that in that process you're denying Islam. You are super imposing your personal morality on Islam.

Do you claim that that story is NOT true? If so, what reason do you offer for your claim? Did you not see Mohamed's name in that narration?

sagenaija:
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Did you say 'persecution'?
That shows the extent to which Islam twists your brains.
So, pointing the errors, contradictions and anomalies in Islam now equates to persecution?

Sometimes one wonders if you guys know the meaning of the words you use. Maybe you just use whatever you think is convenient or what will whip up emotions.

One is however not surprised that you are following the footsteps of your prophet whose response to verbal disagreements was the killing of the opposition.

The Koran verses you quoted clearly shows that if it possible you will go for the heads of your perceived enemies of islam.

No Christian hate Moslems. What we do is simply point out the inconsistencies and errors in Islam. How that can be said to be 'persecution' can only be understood by little minds.

You certainly have the option of showing if those pointed out are not so. But what you guys do is to claim 'You don't understand', 'The Arabic has different meanings' or the like. That is if you don't run to the usual 'Allah knows best'.

At the end of the day you just choose to believe what you want no matter how ridiculous it might be. You close your eyes to clear issues and decide to run with your own ideas of what you think Islam is.

Even ex-moslems are 'false'. Why? Because of your wrong assumption that no moslem can change his mind about the religion. If such a thinking is not warped then the rest of us must be nuts.

Whatever we say are from Islamic books and sources.

If we say that Mohamed married a 6 year old and show it from Islam's most trusted sources how does that amount to denigrating Islam? That is simply the truth. If we say that Mohamed raided caravans, attacked communities and took over their wealth, saw to the killing of a woman of over 80 years by tying her legs to two camels and driving them off in separate directions until her body was torn apart that is the truth. How morally justifiable these acts by a so called prophet are becomes the issue. If you think he was right in doing these things why do you think so? If another person thinks he is not right in doing them how does that amount to denigrating him? Is it not the Moslems who are actually INTOLERANT of other people's opinions?

If you have the right to hold your position which may be offensive to another person's moral standards why do you think he has no right to his own opinion? How does the expression of his opinion amount to 'persecution' of Islam?

I have had discussions with you before.

I don't think i should repeat what i had answered in our previous engagements and even in this piece.

If you ask questions about Islam, you will definitely get appropriate answers from Muslims according to the Qur'an, Sunnah and the Ulamas.

"Allah Knows Best" cos no matter the knowledge we think we have acquired, it is still like a drop in the ocean before Allah.

Christians with their brothers, Atheists have, at every opportunity express their hate for Islam and Muslims (expected and prepared). Very few exceptions though.

CodeTemplar:
many mental cases on Nairaland. Islamists are killing others and one foól is busy calling opinions persecution.

OK.

You, can express you opinions about Islam and Muslims, no matter how offensive they are to us.
But a Muslim is a fool for opining that your opinions are persecutions.

sagenaija:

I know that many Moslems don't know much about their religion.

Even Prophet Google (Peace be upon him) can readily help out.

In this year a raiding party led by Zaid b. Harithah set out against Umm Qirfah in the month of Ramadan. During it, Umm Qirfah (Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr) suffered a cruel death. He tied her legs with rope and then tied her between two camels until they split her in two. She was a very old woman.

Her story is as follows. According to Ibn Humayd- Salamah- Ibn Ishaq- ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr, who said: The Messenger of God sent Zayd b. Harithah to Wadi al-Qura, where he encountered the Banu Fazarah. Some of his companions were killed there, and Zayd was carried away wounded from among the slain. One of those killed was Ward b. ‘Amr, one of the Banu Badr [b. Fazarah]. When Zayd returned, he vowed that no washing [to cleanse him] from impurity should touch his head until he had raided the Fazarah. After he recovered from his wounds, the Messenger of God sent him with an army against the Banu Fazarah. He met them in Wadi al-Qura and inflicted casualties on them. Qays b. al-Musahhar al-Ya‘muri killed Mas‘adah b. Hakamah b. Malik b. Badr and took Umm Qirfah prisoner. (Her name was Fatimah bt. Rabi‘ah b. Badr. She was married to Malik b. Hudhayfah b. Badr. SHE WAS A VERY OLD WOMAN.) He also took one of Umm Qirfah’s daughters and ‘Abdallah b. Mas‘adah prisoner. Zayd b. Harithah ordered Qays to kill Umm Qirfah, AND HE KILLED HER CRUELLY. He tied each of her legs with a rope and tied the ropes to two camels and they split her in two ... (The History of Al-Tabari: The Victory of Islam, translated by Michael Fishbein [State University of New York Press, Albany 1997], Volume VIII, pp. 95-96; bold and capital emphasis ours)

Twisted as usual.

Please read carefully before calling the Prophet.

mhmsadyq:


OK.

You, can express you opinions about Islam and Muslims, no matter how offensive they are to us.
But a Muslim is a fool for opining that your opinions are persecutions.

Your efforts as a muslims should be directed at those who block public roads when gathering and not displaying of fake piousness online.

mhmsadyq:

Twisted as usual.
Please read carefully before calling the Prophet.

Did you follow the flow of things?

He asked a question based on what I posted and I provided EVIDENCE for what I posted. Something you guys NEVER seem to be able to do.

Did you read my post? Is Mohamed mentioned in Al-Tabari which I referenced? So, what are you shivering about?

Btw, expressing disapproval or disagreement does not amount to hate. You Moslems always get confused about that.

sagenaija:

Moslems like you can deny even your prophet's words & life and even Allah just to win an argument.

So, suddenly, Al-Tabari is now just 'a historian'?

The height of your denial and deception is grand.

Al-Tabari was a Moslem historian and religious scholar whose records of events are the most important source for the early history of Islam. He is also a widely acclaimed author of an outstanding commentary on the Koran. 

But because this his record does not fit your narrative you are ready to sacrifice him.

You guys keep running from one end to the other. If historians are quoted you ask for hadith. When hadith is given you insist on the Koran. When you shown the Koran you will either ask for it in Arabic or claim that it is misunderstood. After all 'Allah knows best'.

At the end of the day you run with your own personal idea of what you THINK islam is. You REJECT portions of even Islam's most trusted sources and even the koran where it conflicts with your IDEA of what Islam SHOULD be. You are so self-deceived that you don't even know that in that process you're denying Islam. You are super imposing your personal morality on Islam.

Do you claim that that story is NOT true? If so, what reason do you offer for your claim? Did you not see Mohamed's name in that narration?

CALM DOWN. STOP REACTING WITH FURY SO YOU'LL UNDERSTAND.

AT-TABARI WAS A HISTORIAN AND MUFASSIR NO DOUBT. BUT HIS NARATION OR HADITH CANNOT COUNT AS EVIDENCE IN ISLAM IF ITS UNGRADED AND UNAUTHENTICATED

THERE'S A SCIENCE OF HADITH VERIFICATION IN ISLAM TO SEPARATE TRUE NARRATIONS FROM FORGERIES.

IF A HADITH HAS PASSED THROUGH THIS SCRUTINY, YOU'RE ARE LIKELY TO FIND IT IN AT LEAST A BOOK OF HADITH, STATING ITS GRADE AND OTHER THINGS.

YOU KNOW THE HADITH BOOKS YOU RUN TO WHENEVER YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO YOUR SCOFFING AND SCORNING.
YOU'RE NOT NEW IN THIS YOUR BUSINESS OF ANTAGONISM.
WHY NOT BRING YOUR EVIDENCE FROM ONE OF THEM?

ISLAM HAS RULES PLEASE.

motayoayinde:

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ISLAM HAS RULES PLEASE.

You didn't answer my questions. Instead you're proving me right. You run from one end to the other. You are given Islamic sources but you pretend not to accept them. At the end of the day you run with your own idea of Islam. Why don't you CALM DOWN and simply answer my question? Why all the lecture on the science of hadith? Ok, use all that your knowledge to answer my question. Save the lectures for yourself.

If you say I'm not new to these your antics then you must know what I have stated over and over again - Islam has no DEFINED rules. None! Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

Show me one single thing and I will show you how the exact opposite can be found in Islam.

Can you just answer my simple question instead of going round in a circle. Do you claim that that story is NOT true? A straightforward 'Yes' or 'No' will do.

CodeTemplar:
Your efforts as a muslims should be directed at those who block public roads when gathering and not displaying of fake piousness online.

I think its our responsibility both.

sagenaija:

Did you follow the flow of things?

He asked a question based on what I posted and I provided EVIDENCE for what I posted. Something you guys NEVER seem to be able to do.

Did you read my post? Is Mohamed mentioned in Al-Tabari which I referenced? So, what are you shivering about?

Btw, expressing disapproval or disagreement does not amount to hate. You Moslems always get confused about that.

Continue...

mhmsadyq:


Continue...

He runs away

sagenaija:

You didn't answer my questions. Instead you're proving me right. You run from one end to the other. You are given Islamic sources but you pretend not to accept them. At the end of the day you run with your own idea of Islam. Why don't you CALM DOWN and simply answer my question? Why all the lecture on the science of hadith? Ok, use all that your knowledge to answer my question. Save the lectures for yourself.

If you say I'm not new to these your antics then you must know what I have stated over and over again - Islam has no DEFINED rules. None! Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth.

Show me one single thing and I will show you how the exact opposite can be found in Islam.

Can you just answer my simple question instead of going round in a circle. Do you claim that that story is NOT true? A straightforward 'Yes' or 'No' will do.

YOU CANNOT RESTRICT THIS DISCUSSION BY INSISTING ON A YES OR NO ANSWER.
IT PORTRAYS YOU AS NOT HAVING ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY AND TRYING TO FORECLOSE THIS DEBATE. I'VE GIVEN YOU A FREE OF CHARGE LECTURE ON THE SCIENCE OF HADITH AND WHY YOUR EVIDENCE CAN'T COUNT AS ONE.

QUESTION ANSWERED.