Donsumu appeared in the debate, was smart and cheerful and performed well, although Fash was miles better, However dosunmu's Father Odechuku Jonah Phd in Aso rock is asking for debate expo first before showing up in a presidential debate.

dosumu did well and better ,fashola was only talking well because he was the governor and had the dat,s and figures with him.congrats to dusumu he will become a minister.

Emmz:

Maybe you know better than me. I am not that into politics hence I didnt watch the full thing. What i watched showed Dosunmu giving solid arguments and Fashola was obviously uncomfortable and under pressure to defend himself which i felt he did well.

Maybe Dosunmu fell off after i stopped watching. I dont know but for me Randle was a total joke. At least that was what i garnered from the little i watched. It was clear to me that the fore runners were Fashola and Dosunmu.

This is what you said before undertaking your rankings.

It might be best in the future to watch everything before making a comment.

This is not palm wine or hair-dresser conversations, this is Politics, a serious issue that lives and existential happiness depend on. Anyone that wants to get involved need to take it seriously.

It is a serious issue that should be engaged in with serious considerations. It affects us all.

As per houses costing 40-50milla, i don't think that figure is accurate, yes some of the house they built cost that much, but not in the places Dosunmu mentioned, Fashola must have deliberately ignored it because he didn't have the figures with him, but i am saying that i heard from the Lagos state commissioner of housing or is it Lagos state minister of housing, stating that houses in Ikorodu, Gbagada and some places in the mainland goes for N5milla-15milla for a 2 bedroom bungalow. So i am guessing these houses were built according to your class in the society.

Dosunmu must have deliberately picked the higher priced houses built for the elite just to make Lagos state and Fashola look like a state of the elite while deliberately ignoring the ones that went for 5milla for not so "okay" citizens of Lagos.

One more thing, down payment for any of these houses is 30%, after paying that, you're free to move in, then 25% monthly payment from your salary until you're able to complete payment.

Fashola couldnt answer a few questions from Dosunmu

1. about the roads costing 1billion Naira per kilometer

2. the houses that sells way over 40m - 50m Naira

3. the un employment register he promised to create in 2007 - he claimed its on their website - not sure if it ever was.

4. why dont they publish the costs of their projects for others to see.

5. housing for the populace.

and a few others.

Although it is easy to criticize, Fashola should have been able to defend his policies. Fashola is simply overrated! Dosunmu took Fashola to the cleaners!!

Best quote from the debate , "IT IS NOT  THEIR AGE THAT MATTERS BUT THE AGE OF THEIR IDEAS", Fashola is too much with one sentence he as virtually killed alot of Birds , I cant start counting, this  quote goes as far as OBJ and all PDP , waowwwwwwww
They should just cancel the elections in Lagos and extend fashola's tenure,

Sagamite:

This is what you said before undertaking your rankings.

It might be best in the future to watch everything before making a comment.

This is not palm wine or hair-dresser conversations, this is Politics, a serious issue that lives and existential happiness depend on. Anyone that wants to get involved need to take it seriously.

It is a serious issue that should be engaged in with serious considerations. It affects us all.

buhahahahaha ure a joker. Go wine and dine or shake ur botay its friday and stop killing urself over dis. mayb sum day 50 yrs along the line il hear sagamite is contesting for chief area boy mushin district.    Just kidding

Look i dont know why you guys are so tense about a simple discussion. You know who u are going to vote for so dont let what someone else says bother you. On a normal circumstance i wont even reply any negative comments made by any1 towards me but i dont like being misunderstood. I hold nothing against Fashola although i would have loved him more if he had finished the lekki-ajah road he promised to finish in Feb/March 2010.

I commend the guy cos i think he has done more good for Lagos state( The mere fact that he started the rd and others) so to him his own. vote and support whoever you want to. Its your right. I dont like being disrespected or being misunderstood.

I do not disrespect people unless i'm being diesrespected. I am going to have fun now so good night. Pls go have you some fun ok. Its the start of a weekend.  

The guy who said it wasn't a debate but a Q and A session has said it all.

LIke I said in earlier posts, its said that these are the 'best' Lagos state can parade

Emmz:

buhahahahaha ure a joker. Go wine and dine or shake your botay its friday and stop killing urself over dis. mayb sum day 50 yrs along the line il hear sagamite is contesting for chief area boy mushin district.    Just kidding

I have been there, done that.

I was Area Father of Lagos Central before I moved to London to be Chief Executive Grand Alaaye of Areaboys Association of London.

Don't insult me by stating I will do what I have already done in 50 years time.

Emmz:

Look i dont know why you guys are so tense about a simple discussion. You know who u are going to vote for so dont let what someone else says bother you. On a normal circumstance i wont even reply any negative comments made by any1 towards me but i dont like being misunderstood. I hold nothing against Fashola although i would have loved him more if he had finished the lekki-ajah road he promised to finish in Feb/March 2010.

I commend the guy cos i think he has done more good for Lagos state( The mere fact that he started the rd and others) so to him his own. vote and support whoever you want to. Its your right. I dont like being disrespected or being misunderstood.

I do not disrespect people unless i'm being diesrespected. I am going to have fun now so good night. Pls go have you some fun ok. Its the start of a weekend.  

Politics is serious stuff. That is why most will not see me acting the way I act in Politics in Romance section.

honeric01:

As per houses costing 40-50milla, i don't think that figure is accurate, yes some of the house they built cost that much, but not in the places Dosunmu mentioned, Fashola must have deliberately ignored it because he didn't have the figures with him, but i am say that i have heard from the Lagos state commissioner of housing or is it Lagos state minister of housing stating that houses in Ikorodu, Gbagada and some places in the mainland goes for N5milla-15milla for a 2 bedroom bungalow. So i am guessing these houses were built according to your class in the society.

Dosunmu must have deliberately picked the higher priced houses built for the elite just to make Lagos state and Fashola look like a state of the elite while deliberately ignoring the ones that went for 5milla for not so "okay" citizens of Lagos.

One more thing, down payment for any of these houses is 30%, after paying that, you're free to move in, then 25% monthly payment from your salary until you're able to complete payment.

correct

a friend is building a three bedroom bungalow in ikorodu - costing some 8-10 million

another built a house around ojo rd, 4 flat duplex- i think that was some 15-20 m, i forget

the good dosumu has been hanging out too much with his godfather bode george - that why he thinks all houses cost 50m

hmmmm, were there candidates? its not fair that channels would organize debate for just 1 person.FASHOLA was d only candidate that attended d debate. i really wondered y other participants didn't show up. not even d rigging machine of PDP appeard at d venue.

Sagamite:

As serious an issue as most of those are, it is easy for Dosunmu to make such accusations.

What is fashola suppose to do? You think as Governor he has time to monitor every single thing? In 4 years he is suppose to have solved all the public problems of incompetence and corruption?

Fashola has set a clearly, undisputable fantastic vision for Lagos, he has implemented to a high standard in the midst of serious chaos and historical incompetence some of the policies and objectives to achieve this vision. Not everything will be perfect in 4 years considering the historic rot of society in competence/morals and the little political power he had prior. It is easy for people like Dosunmu to pick holes.

Dosunmu repeatedly claimed to have served for 24 years per excellence. What a reetard, what excellence? Does he know what excellence stands for? Nigeria was going to a rot, some official that probably "took his share" and did nothing claimed to have serve "per excellence". What excellence was in any activity in Lagos in the period of 24 years he claimed. Even Atiku/Marwa would have claimed serving Nigeria in excellence.

Next time try and listen to all views before you rank participants.

You said you only saw the Dosunmu argument and did not see the others but yet you were quick to jump to say Dosunmu won. And under democracy, you have the right to vote? 

Being entitled to your opinion does not mean lame opinions are not irritating.

Just the same way others on this NL expected Jonathan in 9 months to have done the same. 9 months to 4 years - wow.

Time2Think:

Just the same way others on this NL expected Jonathan in 9 months to have done the same. 9 months to 4 years - wow.

Nope!

There is one thing for Jonathan not to be able to solve all problems in 9 months, fair enough, it is an utterly different thing for Jonathan to have no vision and has hardly solved any problem in 9 months and even being, or adding to, the problems.

Only a reetarded President sends his Wife and his Defence Minister to go and welcome a convicted corruption criminal in a country that corruption is destroying.

Jonathan is a reetard! I am surprised he does not froth!

and which of the Lagos State contestants seems to talk about how to put food on the table of the common man?

Which of them? None. The common man is simply no more in the radar of the Lagos Government. Last time, the VIO stopped me and do you know what they were asking for? My Lagos State tax clearance, evidence that I pay tax. What has VIO got to do with tax clearance? Of course I was bundled to the VIO office and made to pay all "pending taxes". Tax is good, but, how do the people eat? no one cares.

Jakande built all those houses even in the period of austerity - today? Its the elites that are getting houses. Even if houses costs 5m. How many common man can afford 5m? Tell me, honestly. A common man that is not able to eat 3 square meals a day - afford a flat of 5m?

I admire all of your quotient view but looks like all of you forgot to add the new word in vogue with which fashola mobbed those asshole on the closing charge, Need I remind you again, he said and i quote '' IT IS NOT YOUR AGE THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IT IS THE AGE OF YOUR IDEAS THAT BOTHERS ME''
FASHOLA ROCKS ,

Time2Think:

and which of the Lagos State contestants seems to talk about how to put food on the table of the common man?

Which of them? None. The common man is simply no more in the radar of the Lagos Government. Last time, the VIO stopped me and do you know what they were asking for? My Lagos State tax clearance, evidence that I pay tax. What has VIO got to do with tax clearance? Of course I was bundled to the VIO office and made to pay all "pending taxes". Tax is good, but, how do the people eat? no one cares.

Jakande built all those houses even in the period of austerity - today? Its the elites that are getting houses. Even if houses costs 5m. How many common man can afford 5m? Tell me, honestly. A common man that is not able to eat 3 square meals a day - afford a flat of 5m?

Sorry sweetie, but I don't think a question was asked about how to put food on the table for the common man in the debate so I don't expect to find candidates giving answers to that nonexistent question in place of another real question in their 2 minutes. That said, I will not be surprised if the APGA guy did that because he was good at rambling irrelevant rubbish.

I don't know anything about VIO, so I am not the one to ask that. That said, if you believe VIO have no right to ask you about tax clearance then do your best not to respond to them if you can. I also see it as the responsibility of the Government to make sure there is an avenue for you to complain about such reetards and they being punished when they violate your right.

I must add that I am very happy to see some people that can not afford Lagos to leave Lagos. The place needs decongestion, it is expensive and not from everyone. People should stop flocking there without any plans. Some should be systematically got out back to their state where their state government should be responsible for them and the growth of Lagos State can be planned adequately.

Some of the actions to make Lagos State sane from the rot it is in now will not be easy or popular.

To those that are saying Dosunmu was the best performer. What exactly did he do apart from ask questions that you might agree with? Did you learn anything new about his ideaology? Is he more a socialist? A capitalist? Somewhere in the middle? What are his strategies fro developing Lagos? I didn't get an inkling of what the guy is about. All they did was ask Fashola questions. Wasn't this suppossed to be a debate between all candidates.

How can anyone who isn't mental not vote for Fashola after that when all we came away with was Fashola's achievements in Lagos and his plans for Lagos? Right now there is no credible opposition in Lagos.

Time2Think:

and which of the Lagos State contestants seems to talk about how to put food on the table of the common man?

Which of them? None. The common man is simply no more in the radar of the Lagos Government. Last time, the VIO stopped me and do you know what they were asking for? My Lagos State tax clearance, evidence that I pay tax. What has VIO got to do with tax clearance? Of course I was bundled to the VIO office and made to pay all "pending taxes". Tax is good, but, how do the people eat? no one cares.

Since when has this been the job of a Government? Lagosians are not babies and do not need to be spoon fed. And pay your darn taxes.

Mariory:

To those that are saying Dosunmu was the best performer. What exactly did he do apart from ask questions that you might agree with? Did you learn anything new about his ideaology? Is he more a socialist? A capitalist? Somewhere in the middle? What are his strategies fro developing Lagos? I didn't get an inkling of what the guy is about. All they did was ask Fashola questions. Wasn't this suppossed to be a debate between all candidates.

How can anyone who isn't mental not vote for Fashola after that when all we came away with was Fashola's achievements in Lagos and his plans for Lagos? Right now there is no credible opposition in Lagos.

And what is Fashola about apart from planting flowers? Achievement is also relative. I failed to see Fashola's achievement in my part of Lagos the last time I was there, which is recently. It is infact an embodiment of his incompetence. And every body do not have to agree with you in your opinion about Fashola. Fashola is simply overated!

pluto04:

And what is Fashola about apart from planting flowers? Achievement is also relative. I failed to see Fashola's achievement in my part of Lagos the last time I was there, which is recently. It is infact an embodiment of his incompetence. And every body do not have to agree with you in your opinion about Fashola. Fashola is simply overated!

Unfortunately for you, a huge % of Lagosians are on the other side of your bogus and irrational assessment.

Eko Ile:


Unfortunately for you, a huge % of Lagosians are on the other side of your bogus and irrational assessment.

Tinubu a-ss-licker! You never fail to disappoint. No coherence. No superior argument. Gibberish as usual. Try again!! Does not mean I'll humour you with another response. It will be a waste of my time.

Fashola vs Dosunmu

Fashola

Grievances with Dosunmu
1. He's a liar
2. Incompetency in NIMASA, [NGN150k/day on generating power] cum capability to manage a govt position, vis-a-vis performance
3. Member of PDP [Nigeria's Problem]
4. Old ideas

What he has to offer:
1. More of before [rehabilitate more length of road than Ghana for eg, complete light rail system [1st in West africa], independent power projects, job creation for youths, mass transit systems, emergency services]
2. Increase minimum wage within manageable limits


Dosunmu:

Grievances with Fashola:
1. Multiple Taxation
2. Misapplication of funds [2-3 Trillion naira in IGR and FAAC)
3. Genuine Transparency
4. Closed Public Procurement Practices
5. Competitive tendering and bidding Processes
6. Elitist Housing Estates

What he has to offer:
1. Streamlined Tax System
2. Affordable Housing [Jakande Styled]
3. Open Public Procurement System
4. Transparency and accountability
5. Judicious utilisation of resources
6. Competitive bidding processes [for contracts]
7. Reduce ratio of teacher to student in govt schools from 37:1 to maybe 20:1 [Recognised standard]


This might not be complete, but at least more than half of their comments or issues raised can be seen above.

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@Babaogun

Thanks for the summary and to say the truth apart from the incumbency factor which gave fashola some advantage and points to talk about he was really out of points mostly. Dosumu and dominic outperformed him in this debate and there is no argument about that, i believe fashola would have done better if the debate was organized very well. I also realized from this debate that he has not done much for Lagos state than just to build roads and one or two things. The others being some programs that favors the elites and foreign investors but more should have been done for the masses.

Being governor helped Fashola but Dosunmu did very well. Fashola knows Dosunmu is a threat. Fash may also have a hot temper. He should have taken it easy on Oga Randle who really stood/stands no chance.
Randle feels entitled. He has nothing to offer. Tokoya seems like a good man but isn't the most articulate. He sounds good but I just don't trust him.
This "debate" was too focused on Fashola. The time given to the candidates to speak wasn't even adequate.
I like Dosunmu but like they say,"If it ain't broke, "
Fash isn't the best gov ever but replacing him is a risk. If anything Dosunmu would get a government appointment in GEJ wins.

Why didn't channels air the other candidates campaign ad?

An aspirant who coms out to attack n accuse his oponent in a debate rather than attacking n tackling d problem of d st n its citizens n profering beta solution has noting 2 ofer d pple. Instead he is coming 2 cause d pple more agony.
Fashola is a true leader!. D rest of dem shld go n rest. They av noting 2 offer.

@Babaogun

Sorry o, but when did Dosunmu say all that? are you dosunmu or are you here to tell us what he wanted to say but didn't remember to say? the video clip is out there for everyone to see and i even watched it live, didn't hear him say all those stuffs on your list.

The only two things on record he provided answers to were the building of the 4th mainland bridge with the help of the federal government, he said since PDP is in charge in the federal level, they're going to help him build the bridge.

Secondly, he said he was going to have access to the federal government and thus be able to make them build infrastructures in Lagos rather than letting Lagos do it all alone.

From these 2 points he made, one can see that the PDP led federal government is deliberately punishing states that are not under the PDP, if you're not for PDP, you don't get any federal duties.

How can i trust such a cult of a party?

jumobi1:

Why didn't channels air the other candidates campaign ad?

I saw it too and i thought maybe it was the person who uploaded the video to youtube that included those adverts but if it is channels tv then they are obviously biased. I don't know why they will allow fashola to counter argue the opponents points and not his own points, the debate organization was very very poor in my opinion. I would not go to any debate organized by channels tv if this is what they could offer. Audience laughing their ass off as if they are in their bedroom. Opponents attacking each other, attacking pdp and the federal government, fashola said so many things that was very bad for democracy but blind support will not make people to reason properly.

His opening speech was totally out of order, present yourself as a candidate to the people and it really has nothing to do with your first term. They should have made the rule of not referencing the first term and speak as if you are just contesting for the first time. Telling the audience not to vote for someone going there to experiment is a very bad taste or is ribadu not going there to experiment from his own party?. Telling the audience not to vote for the opponents because they will not continue is work is also out of order but people will be blind to see all these points. I have really lost so much respect for fashola after this debate and his handling of jk randle is very very rude to say the truth. The candidates there ho should continue after this debate is dosumu, dominic and fashola and he should just forget talking about his first term and focus on the questions asked.

This is not a debate but a glorified question and answer session, they should check the doha debates, the debates on france 24 and bbc to see what a debate is called.

To say channels tv is biased ll be an understatement! anyway kudos to dosunmu

am not an ACN fan,infact i cant stand the party,but i think fashola should be given a second chance tho

the debate question n answer session is very wack,but dosunmu really tried and he has salient points

also i hate the way the moderator talks.

honeric01:

@Babaogun

  Sorry o, but when did Dosunmu say all that? are you dosunmu or are you here to tell us what he wanted to say but didn't remember to say? the video clip is out there for everyone to see and i even watched it live, didn't hear him say all those stuffs on your list.
 
   The only two things on record he provided answers to were the building of the 4th mainland bridge with the help of the federal government, he said since PDP is in charge in the federal level, they're going to help him build the bridge.

Secondly, he said he was going to have access to the federal government and thus be able to make them build infrastructures in Lagos rather than letting Lagos do it all alone.

From these 2 points he made, one can see that the PDP led federal government is deliberately punishing states that are not under the PDP, if you're not for PDP, you don't get any federal duties.

How can i trust such a cult of a party?

@honeric01
Watching a programme LIVE affects your ability to gauge the overall performance of co-debaters, especially if there is a bias towards a particular debater, if any. Please watch it all over again to make a better interpretation.

In reviewing a debate, you need to listen to the positive and negative comments, and not just spotting loopholes alone in whatever the candidates say.

Dosunmu raised the following issues as listed below:

Part 2
Time: 08:36 – 10:40

1. Misapplication of funds [2-3 Trillion naira in IGR and FAAC)
2. Genuine Transparency
3. Closed Public Procurement Practices
4. Competitive tendering and bidding Processes

Part 3
Time: 04:50 – 05:55

5. Multiple Taxation [Sited research study that highlighted relocation of companies to other states due to the multiple tax regime]

Time: 11:30 – 12:35

6. Elitist Housing Estates

Part 4
13:55 – End

7. Misapplication of funds

Part 6
12:45 - 14:00

8. Reduce ratio of teacher to student in govt schools from 37:1 to maybe 20:1 [Recognised standard]

My opinion is that being the best Governor or amongst the best performing Governors should not be a comfort zone. He needs to keep raising the bar. My only fear is SW Governors tend to go to sleep in their 2nd terms, I only hope he does not. 

I personally think BRF will be re-elected overwhelmingly based on his performance and his popularity.

However, my advice to the supposed opposition parties in Lagos is to use a Bottom - Top approach, rather than a Top-Bottom approach.
They need to start winning sits in the House of Assembly to reduce the influence of ACN led Govt. to pass bills made in the bedroom of the few power brokers in the party.
Snatching 1 or 2 senatorial seats and House of Rep sits could mark the beginning of greater accountability in Lagos.

Mariory:

Since when has this been the job of a Government? Lagosians are not babies and do not need to be spoon fed. And pay your darn taxes.

LOL

You are saying, it is not the job of government to put food on the table of the citizens. Word on marble.

Jokers.