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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Nobody: 10:26am On Oct 19, 2020
Skymason20:
I have two issues with this APC lead -led federal government (1) they have failed the nation
(2) they don't want to admit their failure
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by TossTos: 10:26am On Oct 19, 2020
The Ablution of a cat is a strategy of stealing meat .
They are not even ready to pay for the usage of IPPIS but they will come out and say they paid for it with the kinda amount that is beyond imagining .


@tosgramm
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by TGM2015: 10:26am On Oct 19, 2020
angelusbrut:


Please what is the meaning of Soro Soke
sinkhole:
"soro soke" = speak up (or speak louder), if you con add "werey", that is "soro soke, werey" he go con mean "speak up, mad person" grin
"Werey" in this context means coward.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Nobody: 10:32am On Oct 19, 2020
Agbegbaorogboye:
Silvernorgold will accuse ASUU of hating and opposing instead of seeing this as an avenue to block wastage.

My brother, you are the one imagining things.. Government already said it is studying UTAS and may consider it if it meets its integrity test.. You don't expect the FG to accept anything from anyone whose interest is involved, without subjecting it to scrutiny.

Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:35am On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:

...All Nigerian universities combined, what contribution have they made to national development aside graduating half baked graduates every year and going on strike.

You guys should stop asking this question. It only shows you're oblivious of current affairs.

Just the most recent example : https://ace.aau.org/ace-1-centers/acegid/
They (and other Nigerian collaborators) were the first in Africa to sequence the NCOV-SARS2 virus. The same Africa that contains South Africa, home to the continent's best universities! They have also indicated that they are capable of producing a vaccine if properly funded.

The lesson for you is this: the Center is funded by the World Bank and not FG. Do you think it is a coincidence that we suddenly start having world-class contributions when adequate funding was provided? Isn't this what ASUU has been singing to people like you and the FG for years?

Sidon there dey ask JAMB question.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by maasoap(m): 10:35am On Oct 19, 2020
Rgade:
Hmm.
One thing everyone will notice from this FG,ASUU standoff, whether you are pro FG or pro ASUU is that this FG in their characteristic manner has never been honest at any point.
They have kept up with the lying they are known for.
* Lying that most ASUU members are already on IPPIS.
* Lying that all lecturers are currently being paid whether on IPPIS or not.
* Lying that lecturers not on IPPIS will only stop receiving salaries as from November.
* Lying that every one received IPPIS warmly.
Plot twist : SSANU and NASU have both kicked against IPPIS.

You just can't help but wonder,if the FG is so convinced that they are up to a noble quest,why the relentless lying, dishonesty and shifting of goalpost.
The fact that the FG will not stop lying simply means that ASUU has been vindicated

After all this rant, the point still remains the fact that FG is the employer while ASUU is the employee.

“We are close to actualising UTAS’ integrity process."

This is platform that the man was claiming is better than IPPIS
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Gokoyer0(m): 10:37am On Oct 19, 2020
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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Nobody: 10:39am On Oct 19, 2020
maasoap:


After all this rant, the point still remains the fact that FG is the employer while ASUU is the employee.



This is platform that the man was claiming is better than IPPIS
It's not your fault. Many of you Nigerians have a warped understanding of the concept of governance.
Zombie citizens, your government fits una well well.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Gabbriell: 10:40am On Oct 19, 2020
SilverNorGold:


My brother, you are the one imagining things.. Government already said it is studying UTAS and may consider it if it meets its integrity test.. You don't expect the FG to accept anything from anyone whose interest is involved, without subjecting it to scrutiny.

Boss, the FG was the one that approved UTAS and has been using it since. It was part of the issues resolved in 2009

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by shiwex: 10:45am On Oct 19, 2020
i'm confused here ...“For everyone listed on the IPPIS platform, they pay some money to those who brought the platform. Why do you need to pay a dime to collect your wages......someone please explain this to me.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:46am On Oct 19, 2020
maasoap:


After all this rant, the point still remains the fact that FG is the employer while ASUU is the employee.
This is platform that the man was claiming is better than IPPIS

I usually avoid posting about IPPIS because the issue is complicated.|

I do want to address the fallacy behind your point above, which is an all too common riposte.
The academic-government compact is one that is not defined by the NIGERIAN FG!!! It is governed by global best practices that have been in place for decades. Why should it shock you that ASUU knows more about these best practices than the FG?

Yes, an informed employee can educate the employer since the rules are dictated by conventions that are more powerful than this particular employer. Academic staff are not regular civil servants. Why should this be the case in Nigeria?

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by DEADALIVE: 10:46am On Oct 19, 2020
9jatriot:
Just see the stupid ASUU argument.

Employer says the following departments should use IPPIS, every department complies then one department (ASUU) says no, you will pay us with our own app.
Bro...this set of old men will never change...no time in their negotiations they brought the youth on board...i just pray even if they call of the strike youths can fight ASUU for their academic freedom
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 10:49am On Oct 19, 2020
DEADALIVE:
...youths can fight ASUU for their academic freedom
Believe me, nobody is stopping you. You are only lucky that the anti-tuition school of thought in ASUU still has the upper hand.
I pray you get what you want , and I pray you (and not just your children) partake in it fully.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Biodun556(m): 10:49am On Oct 19, 2020
oz4real83:
How will these thieves fill their pockets if the system is free? Personal interest is always their motivation in everything they do.

FG doesn't trust ASUU platform.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by wellmax(m): 10:49am On Oct 19, 2020
proffemi:


You guys should stop asking this question. It only shows you're oblivious of current affairs.

Just the most recent example : https://ace.aau.org/ace-1-centers/acegid/
They (and other Nigerian collaborators) were the first in Africa to sequence the NCOV-SARS2 virus. The same Africa that contains South Africa, home to the continent's best universities! They have also indicated that they are capable of producing a vaccine if properly funded.

The lesson for you is this: the Center is funded by the World Bank and not FG. Do you think it is a coincidence that we suddenly start having world-class contributions when adequate funding was provided? Isn't this what ASUU has been singing to people like you and the FG for years?

Sidon there dey ask JAMB question.
Good one.
But I can say that the Nigerian universities are doing far less than they should be doing.
Suddenly they can create UTAS, what contribution to power, to roads, healthcare etc etc. Funding is a problem, agreed, but what can thy show for the funding received.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Nobody: 10:55am On Oct 19, 2020
Gabbriell:


Boss, the FG was the one that approved UTAS and has been using it since. It was part of the issues resolved in 2009

My brother, did you read the content of the article?


Ngige said the alternative payment platform presented by ASUU was homegrown and worth given consideration.

He said UTAS will be put through thorough assessment.

“The level we moved to now is to subject ASUU’s scheme to integrity test and in doing so, it will be presented to users like the office of Accountant General of the Federation on Wednesday .

“After that, it will be sent to the National Information Technology Development Agency ( NITDA) and from there to the office of the National Security Adviser for second look.

“The platform is an option grown device that requires stage by stage consideration and from the looks of things is good.”
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by sinkhole: 10:57am On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:


Don't miss the point. Where was ASUU when everyone was complaining of the old payment system.
Why is ASUU offering an alternative, what is wrong with the present one?
What other problem confronting the contry has ASUU offered a solution?
Anything that touches their pay, they begin to shout and cry.

All Nigerian universities combined, what contribution have they made to national development aside graduating half baked graduates every year and going on strike.
Well, everybody have right to their opinion!
ASUU said they had originally opposed the introduction of IPPIS from the begining, and that was a long time ago.
ASUU has laid out the problems IPPIS, how it is incompatible with their structure, and they are offering alternative so as to help the government.
ASUU is a union meant to cater for certain group of people, they are not a national union for all Nigerians. They need to talk if they think the right of their members are not being respected. ASUU do not need to proffer solution to Nigerian problems.
Mind you, the oil workers rejected IPPIS and went on strike for like three or so days and quickly government called them back and they insisted on being paid with GIFMIS, government agreed and GIFMIS was reactivated for them immediately without them bringing any alternative like ASUU!

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by goshen26: 11:06am On Oct 19, 2020
angelusbrut:


Please what is the meaning of Soro Soke


Speak up
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by gbengaeed(m): 11:08am On Oct 19, 2020
...A crook will always remain a crook, and ASUU and his member are the most notorius of our time.
maasoap:


After all this rant, the point still remains the fact that FG is the employer while ASUU is the employee.



This is platform that the man was claiming is better than IPPIS

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Gabbriell: 11:09am On Oct 19, 2020
SilverNorGold:


My brother, did you read the content of the article?


Very well.

The isuee is that you don't have an understanding of university payment system.

You think UTAS is just a new system; that's wrong, UTAS is what the university system was using before the IPPIS.

This version of FG has said it will only continue using it only if it verified and tested by their team (for this current administration). ASUU has complied and sent them the system for testing since last year till now. Test is still ongoing by them.

That's the issue. You can learn more about UTAS by simply researching it. You should also visit ASUU website and read article an out their meeting with FG and various agreements.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by otokx(m): 11:12am On Oct 19, 2020
This argument is strong.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by wellmax(m): 11:12am On Oct 19, 2020
sinkhole:
Well, everybody have right to their opinion!
ASUU said they had originally opposed the introduction of IPPIS from the begining, and that was a long time ago.
ASUU has laid out the problems IPPIS, how it is incompatible with their structure, and they are offering alternative so as to help the government.
ASUU is a union meant to cater for certain group of people, they are not a national union for all Nigerians. They need to talk if they think the right of their members are not being respected. ASUU do not need to proffer solution to Nigerian problems.
Mind you, the oil workers rejected IPPIS and went on strike for like three or so days and quickly government called them back and they insisted on being paid with GIFMIS, government agreed and GIFMIS was reactivated for them immediately without them bringing any alternative like ASUU!

Your opinion is accepted. You said a few right things.
But I disagree with the bolded. Universities are not just meant for lecturers to form unions and defend their interest. Universities are citadel of knowledge. Check out majority of innovations worldwide, Universities always take the lead. Shey Nigerians cannot copy that ni.
And no, ASUU did not proffer solution or an alternative until IPPS came on board. Lets get that straight.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by otokx(m): 11:13am On Oct 19, 2020
Gabbriell:


Very well.

The isuee is that you don't have an understanding of university payment system.

You think UTAS is just a new system; that's wrong, UTAS is what the university system was using before the IPPIS.

This version of FG has said it will only continue using it only if it verified and tested by their team (for this current administration). ASUU has complied and sent them the system for testing since last year till now. Test is still ongoing by them.

That's the issue. You can learn more about UTAS by simply researching it. You should also visit ASUU website and read article an out their meeting with FG and various agreements.

Before IPPIS universities were using GIFMIS.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 11:14am On Oct 19, 2020
gbengaeed:
...A crook will always remain a crook, and ASUU and his member are the most notorius of our time.
People locked in a job paying less than 550k per month after 40 years of arduous mental labor are crooks ?
Lol. Bros, fear God.

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by sinkhole: 11:18am On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:


Your opinion is accepted. You said a few right things.
But I disagree with the bolded. Universities are not just meant for lecturers to form unions and defend their interest. Universities are citadel of knowledge. Check out majority of innovations worldwide, Universities always take the lead. Shey Nigerians cannot copy that ni.
And no, ASUU did not proffer solution or an alternative until IPPS came on board. Lets get that straight.
You did not get the point!
Lecturers who are assiduously working to find solution to problems, are members of ASUU and their results is to the credit of ASUU but ASUU in itself is NOT a research body meant to proffer solution to national problems. A research by any ASUU member will not be ascribed to ASUU but to the University that the member belongs.
The UTAS that ASUU is bringing forward may have been developed by ASUU members but ASUU still paid them for the development.
ASUU is a union and not a research body

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Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Nobody: 11:24am On Oct 19, 2020
Gabbriell:


Very well.

The isuee is that you don't have an understanding of university payment system.

You think UTAS is just a new system; that's wrong, UTAS is what the university system was using before the IPPIS.

This version of FG has said it will only continue using it only if it verified and tested by their team (for this current administration). ASUU has complied and sent them the system for testing since last year till now. Test is still ongoing by them.

That's the issue. You can learn more about UTAS by simply researching it. You should also visit ASUU website and read article an out their meeting with FG and various agreements.

My brother, UTAS was built by ASUU and FG can't just accept it without subjecting it to integrity test. It's simple. At the emboldened, you have dragged emotions into this, without even reading the content. You just posted off-point.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by gbengaeed(m): 11:32am On Oct 19, 2020
...Don't tell me that when the idea of IPPIS is been conceived nobody factor ASUU into it, and why is it difficult for them to work with the FG on how it will accommodate their payment structure rather than rejecting the platform. and bro. after 30 years in a job you should be planing your exit. though you start planning exit from Day 1.
proffemi:

People locked in a job paying less than 550k per month after 40 years of arduous mental labor are crooks ?
Lol. Bros, fear God.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by wellmax(m): 11:36am On Oct 19, 2020
sinkhole:
You did not get the point!
Lecturers who are assiduously working to find solution to problems, are members of ASUU and their results is to the credit of ASUU but ASUU in itself is NOT a research body meant to proffer solution to national problems. A research by any ASUU member will not be ascribed to ASUU but to the University that the member belongs.
The UTAS that ASUU is bringing forward may have been developed by ASUU members but ASUU still paid them for the development.
ASUU is a union and not a research body

ASUU members are first members of the intellectual community before joining ASUU. What has been their individual or joint contribution to the nation.
UTAS was an after thought from ASUU.

Check out all the strike by ASUU, if ALWAYS for selfish purposes. I was in school for 7 years for a 5 year course, without a single carryover. No thanks to ASUU. They are nothing but a selfish union, taking advantage of the government. No be their fault, na the way Nigeria be.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 11:41am On Oct 19, 2020
gbengaeed:
...Don't tell me that when the idea of IPPIS is been conceived nobody factor ASUU into it, and why is it difficult for them to work with the FG on how it will accommodate their payment structure rather than rejecting the platform

Simple. The idea of mainstreaming academics into the civil service goes against the spirit of university autonomy and global best practices. In any case, the post that you quoted wasn't defending either IPPIS or UTAS. If you're clicking the "Quote" button, please reply to something I actually addressed in the post you're quoting.

. and bro. after 30 years in a job you should be planing your exit. though you start planning exit from Day 1.[/i]
Again, my post says or implies nothing about preparing for retirement.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Gabbriell: 11:57am On Oct 19, 2020
otokx:


Before IPPIS universities were using GIFMIS.

SilverNorGold:


My brother, UTAS was built by ASUU and FG can't just accept it without subjecting it to integrity test. It's simple. At the emboldened, you have dragged emotions into this, without even reading the content. You just posted off-point.

Boss, again u missed the point. We are definitely not flowing in the same frequency.

In 2009, Government Integrated Finance Management Information System (GIFMIS) was modified to accommodate the requirements been made by ASUU.

FG Government have been using that system (The modification ) till the arrival of IPPIS. Same modification ASUU want for IPPIS hence resulting in presentation of UTAS.
UTAS does not seek new demand but only asking for the same salary structure they have been using for them since 2009. UTAS is not something new..it us a salary structure that has been adopted since 2009.


Lecturers enrolled in IPPIS have witnessed pay-cut because they didn't apply the modification made to GIFMIS in 2009. UTAS is a representation of that modification.

I hope u see the point in my discussion and not the acronyms used.
I get yr point @SilverNorGold..since it a new government. Verification is necessary and should always be welcomed.


Anyways I rest my csse.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by Baiser(m): 12:01pm On Oct 19, 2020
Brandonx:
I really don't understand this government.
How can someone be so callous undecided
Things are so expensive . Bag of rice during Jonathan's time was 8k, fuel was 97 , these useless people came with their silly promises and things got worst.
His first tenure there was no improvement, his second tenure became worst and they expect the people to clap for them.
The change they promised we didn't see or are they going to request a third term before they can bring the change they promised?

I'm standing with ASUU on this, their demands must be met.


#EndSWAT

What you fail to realise is, Goodluck was borrowing to feed the country.

Debt is not a bad thing if Its used judiciously, for example debt being used to build railways is a judicious investment. United states has the largest debt profile in the world.

Now, apart from the uncompleted Abuja-Kaduna railway, state another real project GEJ did?
Or have your forgotten the billions allocated to fireless stove?


Yes, buhari is a nepotic and terrible leader, yet, I daresay he is trying, despite the myraids of issues facing the country.
Railyway is nearing completion
Light supply has increased.
Re: ASUU To Fg: Why Do You Want To Spend Money On IPPIS When UTAS Is Free? by proffemi: 12:03pm On Oct 19, 2020
wellmax:
...What has been their individual or joint contribution to the nation.
That you're still asking this after the information I gave you earlier outs you as sentimental, mischievous, or a slow learner. I tried to politely correct you (no funding == no contributions; good funding == good contributions), but like many Nigerians, you prefer to stick with you unfounded and ignorant take on the issue.

Check out all the strike by ASUU, if ALWAYS for selfish purposes. I was in school for 7 years for a 5 year course, without a single carryover. No thanks to ASUU. They are nothing but a selfish union, taking advantage of the government. No be their fault, na the way Nigeria be.

Just like you, there are those of us who are working internally against strikes. Our motive may however shock you. The primary reason why ASUU doesn't see eye to eye with the government is the union's stand against high school fees. I have always opined that ASUU has no business keeping fees down. Let's ask for our rights and leave the government to sort out their sources: fees or taxes; wetin concern us?

You'll soon get what you want: a world without strikes. I am tired of ignoramuses like you calling people like me selfish for my improperly-remunerated lifetime of service and for fighting the FG to keep education accessible to the underprivileged . The fight must stop. Two possible outcomes: either public universities become useless, neglected shells with all good lecturers moving to private universities that would proliferate, or government jerks up the tuition to sustain the high quality we demand. Neither of those outcomes is bad for ASUU.

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