The truth is beautiful.

Rosskivvyy:
I laugh when I hear people say that we lacked writing before the white man and Arabs came with their written text.

That we were ''illiterate''.

Do you know that it wasn't that we lacked writing, but that we had PASSED that stage of development?

Don't forget that it was us that invented writing, thousands of years ago. In ancient Kush and Egypt.

We taught THEM writing.

Just like we taught THEM speech.

Before we taught them speech, they were grunting like donkeys.

Which do you think came first, ''mama'' or ''mummy''?

''Papa'', or ''pops''?

.....Think about it......

To our ancestors in the 19th century, writing was a backward, obsolete form of communication open to abuse and distortion.

We had forms of record keeping and communication that were more advanced than writing.

Keep on reading, fellow Nigerians.

ThIs thread is HOT AND SMOKING with facts.

Nobody taught anybody speech. That is rudimental!

GreyLaw:


Nobody taught anybody speech. That is rudimental!

Google "Africans invent speech".

You'll see the research findings.

Any luck, Mr GreyLaw?

You've gone awfully quiet.

princemillla:



This is absolutely correct
was used in shaworo ide movie.

Am following this thread

Thank you Sir.

That is the best way to communicate with God.

With Emotion.

Mr GreyLaw? How far nah?

Funny how all the insulters and abusers have disappeared in the face of evidence.

Noblesh email me at sokarisokari2@gmail.com

okrikaboi:
Noblesh email me at sokarisokari2@gmail.com

Pardon?

ProT:


It is utterly disgusting that some people read, NOT to learn, but to argue.

Sad indeed!

Yeah, but we ain't deterred.

By the way, are the mods saying they haven't seen this thread, or that they cannot see it is FP worthy?

Rosskivvyy:


Fam, ignore this one. Just keep on reading.

The whites did not come to give us civilization.

They came to take civilzation away from us.

Keep reading.

I have learnt a lot from you that have touched somethings i have learnt of felt before. continue bro, am with you

Rossnitti:
Most Nigerians believe that Europeans brought 'civilization' to us.

That before their arrival, we were primitive, savage, and barbaric, and lacked technology and science.

This thread will shatter every one of those false notions derived from colonial indoctrination, and show that the only area in which the Europeans were more advanced than us was in military hardware, and little else, and that our ancestors were in fact brilliant scientists who were highly knowledgeable in advanced medicine, botany, metallurgy, mathematics, communications, construction, astronomy, and architecture, among other disciplines.

I will also show that we had the capacity and knowledge to advance into the modern world WITHOUT western colonisation, in our own right, as a brilliant, innovative people.

Each post I make will deal with one specific discipline, as we move along in this journey into our amazing past.

Watch this space for further details.

You cannot teach what you seemed not to know. A place called Nigeria did not exist until a silly European said so. Which Nigeria are you on about in this discuss?

gaetano:
There was nothing like Nigeria before European colonization

This is exactly my contention on this childish thread.

Rossntti:
COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY

Most of us believe we lacked proper communications before the advent of the telephone, and lately the mobile phone.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

We had long distance communication technology centuries before Europe. Simple but also complicated, and highly effective.

The Talking Drum

We use talking drums for Owambe parties today.

But do you know that the original function of the talking drum was long distance communication?

And I don't mean rudimentary noises made from one village to reach the next.

It was far more sophisticated than that.

FAR MORE.

The talking drum was used for individualised communication.

Do you know that every Yoruba man who got trained in this science, had his own unique talking drum 'signature' which took advantage of the tonal character of the language. and could be used to transmit messages directly to him in words he could understand to a distance of up to 160 kilometres?

He would equally return the messages.

He would be trained in how to build a talking drum wherever he was, if he didn't travel with one, to send his response back to the sender, in words that would be clearly understood, using the unique 'signature' of the recipient.

It was a kind of 'phone number', this unique 'signature'.

Once the drum was beaten, you would KNOW it was for you. The message would tell you who was 'calling', what they wanted, etc. And what the caller's signature was. You would then respond, using that signature. This could go on over a distance of up to 160 kilometres.

ctd.

Above crap is suited for beer parlor discussion. Every civilization has its artifacts. It is unfortunate Africans did not ride far enough on their inherent intellect.

Rosskivvyy:


Google "Africans invent speech".

You'll see the research findings.

Are you okay?

justiniyke29:
I have learnt a lot from you that have touched somethings i have learnt of felt before. continue bro, am with you

Thanks, dude.

Duru1:


Are you okay?

Speech

The first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

''Using statistical methods to estimate the time required to achieve the current spread and diversity in modern languages today, Johanna Nichols — a linguist at the University of California, Berkeley — argues that vocal language must have arisen in our species at least 100,000 years ago. Using phonemic diversity, a more recent analysis offers directly linguistic support for a similar date. Estimates of this kind are independently supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and much other evidence suggesting that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, roughly contemporaneous with the speciation of Homo sapiens.''


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language

Duru1:


You cannot teach what you seemed not to know. A place called Nigeria did not exist until a silly European said so. Which Nigeria are you on about in this discuss?

Can't you use your brain the way others have done on this thread, in noting that we are referring to the territory known today as Nigeria?

You claim to be educated yet we must spoon-feed you like a toddler.

Hedonini:
This guy has a penchant for talking absolute rubbish.

And you have a penchant for mental slavery.

illicit:


No, it's you who has a malformed brain....


What's not obvious to u is that even ur Kings at that time procured cars and built modern houses with modern facilities and telephone.... They sent their kids to school....


Stop this nonsense

In a bid to sound smart, you keep sounding dumber and dumber with every reply! Kings at pre colonial times purchased telephones? What dumbfuckery! And to think you are confident enough to type this trope!

Either shut up if you aren't smart enough to comprehend the thread or contribute like someone with a working brain. Ode

Lethal234:


You are derailing your own thread.

Personally I want to see where all this ends, but while at it stick with the specifics, take away guess works like Kush and Egypt.

The part of the communication makes perfect sense but needs more in-depth research.

Not quite sure of the totality of the talking drum but the telepathy was spot on.

That's what IFA diviners and witches use. The reason why this things were easy to swept away I think as to do with the fact there were no conventional schools in pre-slavery/colonial Africa, so when the whole shit storm dead down there were no pre-defined structure to fall back on.

I disagree with your premise that Kush and egyptian history as it relates to black Africa are guess works. I have done a bit of my research in this and you'd never surprised how established our links are.

Nevertheless, I too am very interested in more research on our history with telepathy. In fact at some point, i'd like to travel back home to visit well established ifa worshipping shrines and authorities in a bid to gain more insight into the workings of ifa. Should you come across internet resources, please share some with a brother. Thanks

austinvsb:


In a bid to sound smart, you keep sounding dumber and dumber with every reply! Kings at pre colonial times purchased telephones? What dumbfuckery! And to think you are confident enough to type this trope!

Either shut up if you aren't smart enough to comprehend the thread or contribute like someone with a working brain. Ode

My brotha, I tire for some of our people.

That guy is the sort of guy that's spent his whole life praising, elevating, and adoring everything 'white' and condemning everything 'black', so this kind of thread just goes against everything he believes in, hence his reflexive hostility. They are quite a few of them like that, unfortunately.

austinvsb:


I too will be very interested in more research with our telepathic history. Should you come across resources, please share some with a brother. Thanks

I sure will check that out too, bro.

Coneheadyutes:


The ancient nris studied astronomy.

They were masters at it.

Rossnitti:


Speech

The first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

''Using statistical methods to estimate the time required to achieve the current spread and diversity in modern languages today, Johanna Nichols — a linguist at the University of California, Berkeley — argues that vocal language must have arisen in our species at least 100,000 years ago. Using phonemic diversity, a more recent analysis offers directly linguistic support for a similar date. Estimates of this kind are independently supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and much other evidence suggesting that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, roughly contemporaneous with the speciation of Homo sapiens.''


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language

It is logically laughable to claim Africans invented "Speech". How did Africans teach other inhabitants of the earth how to talk? By the way, in what vernacular? Yes! Yes!!, Africans invented the word, technology. I use to listen to my grandparents discuss technology.

Rosskivvyy:


I'm glad you've taken on a more mature approach to this topic, as expected.

Did you read the academic papers I posted on the previous page regarding the need to evolve a genuine indigenous industrial revolution based on our own technological heritage? I fully support the findings of that paper. I suggest you read it again to see the points made.

I don't subscribe to abandoning our traditional medIcine just because we've not had a government serious enough to elevate it like the Chinese did theirs. Why give up just like that? I'm surprised you suggested that. We must continue to develop that field until it reaches its appropriate place in our health system. It has shown to be more effective than western medicine on several occasions, as shown by the testimony of the great Dr Adeoye Lambo.

Also, the British DID force us to abandon our traditional religions.

They did this by insisting that any entrants to their missionary schools must abandon their traditional faiths and become CHRISTIAN.

They would baptize you, and issue you with a christian or English name, before you could enrol. This was enforced particularly strictly in Igboland, whose people they saw as fiercely independent, and thus requiring total transformation. This is why almost every Igbo person you see today has a christian or English name affixed to his or her native name.

They did not tolerate any person attending the missionary schools who was an African religionist. And they reinforced this rejection by wildly exaggerating or fabricating tales of traditional barbarism. So one or two villages engaging in twin infanticide, translated to ''Igbos killed their twins'', etc etc.

When a new power comes in and seizes the economic resources of your territory, and insists that the only way to access those resources is by attending his schools, speaking and writing his language, and adopting his religion, it amounts to subtle coercion to abandon your old ways, your old philosophies, your old technologies, your old educational systems, and adopt his.

And that is precisely what happened.

Upward mobility became dependent on trashing and dumping your own heritage, and adopting that of the colonizer.

The colonialists did not have this policy in the north. They accepted Islam was the religion there. The 18th century jihadists had essentially done their work for them, of disconnecting Africans from their powerful heritage, so they were happy with Islamic prevalence in the north.

But they did not tolerate African religion and philosophies practiced in the south, and insisted on christianization and westernization. That is why majority of southern Nigerians are christians today who look down on their traditional heritage, and regard it as 'backward, heathen, uncivilized' etc.

It was a process of deliberate social engineering by the British that was highly effective.

Oh man! I can read your write ups all day! Glad there are people like this still lurking around on NL

This looks like a mud fight and I have no idea how to get into it.

I will stand over here and watch you guys dig it out.

Rossnitti:


Can't you use your brain the way others have done on this thread, in noting that we are[b] referring to the territory known [/b] today as Nigeria?

You claim to be educated yet we must spoon-feed you like a toddler.

I am trying very hard to use may brain. It is said the a sentence translate a thought. You wrote "Nigeria was technologically advanced before European colonialism". I do not need to infer on what you mean. Which territory is known today as Nigeria? Or you meant territories known today as Nigeria? Oh, now I am getting the drift from a typical Nigerian who usually had something else in mind and wrote down another thing on paper. By the way, which of the territories known today as Nigeria was technologically advanced before advent of the Europeans in Africa?

PRE-COLONIAL IGBO MEDICINE


There were two sets of native doctors. One was the doctors who dealt with magic medicines. These doctors invoked the supernatural to help the patients. They demanded things or items for sacrifices and prayed to deities or God to drive away the enemies or evil spirit(s) that caused the illness or to forgive the sin of their forefathers responsible for the diseases.

The second set of doctors were the native physicians and surgeons who treated diseases with herbs and they could do all sorts of operations, like the eye doctors, skin doctors, bone physicians, etc.

Among this set were herbalists that had the knowledge and application of herbs for the purpose of prevention and cure of diseases. For example, in the treatment of malaria, a combination of “dogoyaro”, pawpaw leaves, lemon grass, and lime and guava leaves could be boiled. The mixture could be steamed.

There were herbs for purgatives or treatment of diarrhea, etc. The orthopedic doctors treated all sorts of bone problems. They could pick broken bones, use leaves to bring them together and apply all sorts of invocations and rub mixture of herbs and the bone would heal. There were traditional midwifery specialists trained for pre- and post-natal skills in child birth. There were drugs mixed with “okro” and inserted inside the pregnant woman and it turned around the baby that was coming out with legs and the baby would come with the head.

There were traditional means of immunization. There were drugs like “ogwu egbe”, “ogwu mma”, “ogwu akpi”, “ogwu agwo”, etc. (Nwankwo, 2011)

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED540919.pdf

Duru1:


It is logically laughable to claim Africans invented "Speech". How did Africans teach other inhabitants of the earth how to talk? By the way, in what vernacular? Yes! Yes!!, Africans invented the word, technology. I use to listen to my grandparents discuss technology.

This one is calling the findings of seasoned scholars ''laughable''.

I think you're the clown, and the joke's on you.

Duru1:


I am trying very hard to use may brain. It is said the a sentence translate a thought. You wrote "Nigeria was technologically advanced before European colonialism". I do not need to infer on what you mean. Which territory is known today as Nigeria? Or you meant territories known today as Nigeria? Oh, now I am getting the drift from a typical Nigerian who usually had something else in mind and wrote down another thing on paper. By the way, which of the territories known today as Nigeria was technologically advanced before advent of the Europeans in Africa?

Stuff your ignorant, stereotypical garbage and bigotry up your backside. Plus if you are too lazy and stuffed with racial self hatred to read through the thread and absorb some knowledge, take a hike. We've no time for you.

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THE WORLD'S LARGEST MAN-MADE STRUCTURE IS IN NIGERIA

The Walls of Benin City are collectively the world's largest man-made structure and were semi-destroyed by the British in 1897.


Fred Pearce wrote in New Scientist:

"They extend for some 16,000 kilometres in all, in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlement boundaries. They cover 6500 square kilometres and were all dug by the Edo people. In all, they are four times longer than the Great Wall of China, and consumed a hundred times more material than the Great Pyramid of Cheops [in Egypt]. They took an estimated 150 million hours... to construct, and are perhaps the largest single archaeological phenomenon on the planet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa


BENIN MOAT AND RAMPART TODAY


STRUCTURE AND FUNCTIONALITY

These enormous earthworks known to be the lengthiest in the world were constructed by the Edo people of the defunct Great Kingdom of Benin. An ancient marvel on par with world wonders like the Taj Mahal of India or the Great Wall of China, it was constructed to secure and protect the kingdom from invaders.

Work first began around 800 AD and continued up until around 1460. The structure upon completion comprised of moats and ramparts, covered a border distance of about 16,000 kilometres, the 16,000 sq. kilometres and enclosed about 6,500 square kilometres of community land in a mosaic of more than 500 interconnected settlements. Altogether this was double the length of the Ming Great Wall of China, which measured 8,851 kilometres. The new official length of 21,196 kilometres was announced on June 5th 2012, after the discovery of the Walls of Benin displaced the Great Wall of China, under its old measurements.

The Benin wall sharply defined boundaries, restricted access to the kingdom especially the capital Benin City and provided security. In the late 13th century Oba Oguola (1274-1287) completed the first and second moats and ordered the construction of 20 more moats around essential towns and villages; during this period the kingdom was near its peak and was engaged in many wars. The moats were therefore built as a defensive fortification. In the late 16th Century Oba Ewuare The Great (1440-1473) further fortified and extended the moats by about 3200 kilometres, erected Nine fortified gates and put up thoroughfares.


Raised Section of the Benin Wall


The materials for the construction as widely reported by most researchers was over a hundred times more than the materials used to build the great pyramid of Cheops and was estimated to have taken at least 150 million man hours of digging and hundreds of years to build. Its construction method predates the use of earth moving equipment or technology.

The earth from the dug moat was used to construct the rampart; these ramparts are steep banks of earth and any invader trying to climb over them could be buried in a sand avalanche. The rampart varied in size, from shallow traces to as high as 66 feet. The moats were guarded round the clock, and any invader that was trying to get through could be seen and killed or captured by Benin soldiers.

The very high walls were a nightmare to scale through. Attackers and invaders trying to climb over were target practice for Benin soldiers with their spears and poisoned arrows. The Outer walls formed a thick shield around the city, and its nine gates restricted access. It was heavily guarded round the clock and shut at night.

The heart of Benin city – the capital that housed very important abodes like the Royal Palace and chiefs houses – were enclosed by an inner wall about 10 kilometres long, that was as high and wide as a two-story building. Outside the wall was a deep ditch as deep and wide as the wall. The inner wall had a massive gateway made of wood and earth that was heavily fortified and had a heavy wooden door; travellers and merchants bringing goods into the city usually paid a toll before the gates were open and they were let in.

The walls to a great extent prevented the notorious European and African slavers from their routine raids on towns and villages in search of slaves, these raids were common at the time.

THE FORGOTTEN RUINS

These walls in 1974 made the Guinness Book Of World Records as the world’s largest earthworks before the mechanical era and in 1994 as the second largest man-made structure in the world after the Great Wall of China. In 1995 it was recognized in the cultural category of the UNESCO World Heritage Tentative list.

https://thinkafrica.net/walls-of-benin/

austinvsb:


In a bid to sound smart, you keep sounding dumber and dumber with every reply! Kings at pre colonial times purchased telephones? What dumbfuckery! And to think you are confident enough to type this trope!

Either shut up if you aren't smart enough to comprehend the thread or contribute like someone with a working brain. Ode

I must have been drunk....