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|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Oizatobad(m): 12:33pm On Nov 22|
EVERY SUNDAY BORN AGAIN REALLY COMMON IN NIGERIA ()WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by morinto: 12:34pm On Nov 22|
deluckiest:Been born again is water baptism. U can read roman 6. If u read it then u will know that water baptism means death to the flesh and new birth to the,spirit
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by kingxsamz(m): 12:51pm On Nov 22|
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by banmee(m): 1:08pm On Nov 22|
It only means your brainwash cycle is complete and have now become a willing participant in a fraud scheme.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Deepthoughts: 1:31pm On Nov 22|
alBHAGDADI:Both verses you quoted simply show that the spirit is superior to the flesh,so it should follow that is either body accepts the spirit control or the spirit departs from the body, therefore your Initial teaching should logically be that,when a born again sins it means such born again has backslided causing the spirit to depart n therefore need to quickly repent n seek the return of the holy spirit,but that would still be confusing because the holy Spirit is supposed to fortify the flesh against sin,so my simple deduction is that a true born again should not sin.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by God1stson(m): 1:35pm On Nov 22|
The first birth which we have all experienced is the "born of water" spoken of by Jesus. We humans were all born of water. Ever heard the phrase "a woman's water is broken"? That happens when she gives birth.
I thank God for ur zeal in spreading the Gospel. BUT UR STATEMENT ABOVE IS NOT CORRECT. ROM 6: 4- By Baptism then we were buried with him and share his death in order that
Just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of to father, so we might live a new life. First birth is Baptism.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Smartjohns(m): 1:41pm On Nov 22|
How many trees have we put down. Can human commit sin against plants. It pays to be reasonable.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by jaxxy(m): 2:22pm On Nov 22|
Read the whole book not a few pages u like to play around with and tease urself.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Crunchyg2: 2:26pm On Nov 22|
Check my signature, and chat me up with the number there
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Sunnyvision(m): 2:30pm On Nov 22|
Begin born again is when we surrender to Jesus Christ has your lord and saviour through grace by the cleaning blood of Jesus, it is when we believe that is when the process of salvation take place.
if we don't believe them the process of been born again as not taken place.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
there on we live by him and obey is word, commandments and instructions because we are no more of the world and we don't practice sins. therefore we don't live of the flesh but of the
spirit of God (1 John 4 :4; 1 John 3:6 -10)
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by tete7000(m): 2:31pm On Nov 22|
How do you reconcile your assertions with the following passages:
When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:37-38 NIV
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Matthew 28:19 NIV
You definitely seem to know more than Peter or Christ himself. Una go just dey online dey spread errors.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by GOTVee(m): 2:44pm On Nov 22|
Never mind. Bye
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Oyoyo7: 3:33pm On Nov 22|
A good write up but a point of correction, to be born of water simply means water baptism not the natural birth as claimed. Matthew 3:16, Acts. 8:38-39.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by AntiChristian: 4:14pm On Nov 22|
Fool. Where did God created Eve for Adam? Paradise! Why did God created Eve for Adam? As a companion, no s*x involved just as an onlooker, Be fruitful and multiply...lol.
Holy Spirit is toying with your brain o!
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by olowolekan(m): 4:22pm On Nov 22|
GOTVee:There is hope for you . Come to Jesus, confess all your sins and ask for pardon.Jesus will forgive you
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by elated177: 4:32pm On Nov 22|
Traps and snares.
This kind of message is the reason why those who claim to follow the Messiah have lifestyles completely at variance with his Commandments.
This is the kind of message that will encourage people in same-sex relationships not to turn away from their perversion. This kind of message makes them believe that they can be in the water and be dry at the same time.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by alBHAGDADI: 4:36pm On Nov 22|
Can't you see that the verses you quote and the one I quoted below are talking about two different things?
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves : it is the gift of God:
Not of works , lest any man should boast.
The one I quoted says salvation is by grace through faith, not through baptism or repentance. But you are quoting your own to say something contrary to what the verse above says. The Bible doesn't contradict itself.
Your verse shows Peter telling those who killed Jesus to repent i.e the. from the idea that killing hi. was a good thing. Of course, it is a good thing he told them to be baptized as well. But baptism is not compulsory for salvation, otherwise that thief on the cross won't have made it to paradise because he didn't get the chance to be baptized.
That's why those who insist that BORN OF WATER is the same as water baptism are wrong. They are wrong because Jesus said except a man be born of water and of spirit, he won't see the kingdom of God. If born of water means water baptism, then Jesus lied when he promised the thief on the cross who didn't get the chance to be baptized that he will be with him in paradise.
I'm glad that Jesus is not a liar. That is why it is clear that born of water is not water baptism. The thief had been born of water already which is the flesh birth i.e the birth by his parents. He got the Spiritual birth on the cross when he believed Jesus while his colleagues rejected Jesus. That way, the equation by Jesus which says "except a man be born of water and of the spirit" was completed in the life of the thief on the cross.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by TruthHurts1(m): 4:38pm On Nov 22|
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by alBHAGDADI: 4:49pm On Nov 22|
I'm sorry, but you are wrong.
If to be born of water means water baptism, then how did the thief on the cross make it to God's kingdom without baptism? Have you forgotten that Jesus said "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God"?
Remember that the thief on the cross was promised by the same Jesus that they will be together in paradise. Why would Jesus make such a promise to him when he knew the thief won't get the chance to be baptized which, according to you, is one of the requirements alongside spiritual birth to see the kingdom?
Can you now see how wrong you are to say water baptism is the same as born of water?
Look, water baptism is not born of water. To be born of water is to be born by your parents. That's why Jesus further explained to Nicodemus that it is the birth of the flesh.
Same Jesus who spoke of born of water and born of the spirit further explained that one is flesh birth by humans while the other is spiritual birth by God.
John 3:6 KJV
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
But because people see water, they automatically think it is water baptism. Does water give birth?
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Harcles: 5:14pm On Nov 22|
Some Corrections please.
Says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and it continued in Romans 5:12 saying
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.
Then in verse 19
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
This is the need why all men needs to be saved, because sin and death was passed on to us from Adam.
THE BIG QUESTION IS SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN.
I will answer this just as Apostle Paul in Romans 6:15-16
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness.
Paul said no to this question and he started putting light to the question in verse 3 and 4.
3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should WALK IN NEWNESS OF LIFE.
I emphasized the last word , that we should walk in newness of life.
To clarify what he meant he said in verse 7 that he who is dead is free from sin, meaning that a dead man doesn't sin.
So he gave us a mind therapy in the following verses.
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
This is a duty which is also called renewing of the mind.
You may ask, but is it possible not to sin..
I found that answer in Galatians 5:16-17
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
It is not possible, I say not possible for anyone to walk in the Spirit and still fulfill the lust of the flesh. He must either be walking in the Spirit or in the Flesh at any seconds of time.
So this gives an answer to what Paul meant by saying we should walk in newness of life.(the mind therapy and the walk in the Spirit).
For understanding on walking in the Spirit read Romans 8:5.
Before I conclude, these are some key points to know....
15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.
It says Jesus Christ was tempted like us and was without sin.
1 Peter 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth.
It also says that Christ left an example for us to follow and that he committed no sin.
1 Corinthians 9:26-27
26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air.
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
Apostle Paul also spoke about his efforts towards subjecting his body.
Key points to know that God is not a joker.
Revelation 21: 7-8
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
2 Peter 2:4-10
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;
6 and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly;
7 and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked
8 (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)—
9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,
10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.
This is my humble correction to the subject.. I will not fail to say that should incase you sin ...
1 John 2:1-2
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
Chapter 1:9 says if we sin we should confess our sin and He is faithful and just to forgive us...
This is the truth we should walk with and to guide us. there is a sin also that will not be forgiven..
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
This is after you have obtained the knowledge of the truth and you kept it aside and continue to galavant in your sin or continue enjoying your old sinful life before you accepted the free gift of righteousness by believing in Jesus Christ, then wahala dey wait for you for judgement day...
God bless you all and I urge you to run this race with certainty like Apostle Paul , also take the mind therapy seriously...
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Maximus85(m): 5:52pm On Nov 22|
See? You could have sounded better without cursing. See the difference between us? Even if you have the knowledge, is this how Christ or his Apostles talked with people of different views?
Like I said, what you know is more accurate than what these pastors teach. But stop cursing. What has anyone to gain by deceiving others and cost them salvation? If our understanding is different, then let's continue to rob minds and see where we can agree.
I come in peace.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by alBHAGDADI: 5:59pm On Nov 22|
You claim to know the apostles but you forgot what Apostle Paul said. He said people like you who preach a different gospel aka a different view should be cursed.
Galatians 1:8 KJV
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by infini771: 6:08pm On Nov 22|
When the holy spirit replaces the spirit with which you are born with, you will become a new man. 2 Corinthians 5:17 If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation old things have passed away, behold, all things have become new
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by tega2luv(m): 6:23pm On Nov 22|
My personal take on this is that, let's learn not to judge and if you have a basic training on christianity then I believe you know the things christ forbids us from doing, weda born again or not we still commits sins unknowingly, the bible also said judgments is of the lord, help if you are at an advantage, live a peaceful life while you still draw air, and always pray for forgiveness,may God help us.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by Maximus85(m): 6:29pm On Nov 22|
What is the gospel? What is the main these of the Gospel? Your accurate Answer to this will answer this next question...
Who were those Paul was referring to?
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by bigcasava1(m): 6:38pm On Nov 22|
alBHAGDADI:that means everyone is going to heaven
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by udoh2k: 10:32pm On Nov 22|
Jesus died to save us from sin . Salvation comes by believing in Him and repenting from our sins. Mark 1:15
Believing alone without repentance is not being born again. Afterall satan also believes but trembled.James 2:19
Repenting alone without believing is self effort. It's like new year resolution!
Born again = repent from sin+ believe in Jesus. Act 3:19, Mark 1:15, Luk 13:3,5
Don't deceive yourself that because all have sinned...or born in sin, you cannot be righteous
That was the reason Christ came and died.
Don't deceive your self that when you are born again, you do not need to stop sin...
Did Jesus save you to make you continue in sin? Shd we continue in sin that grace will abide. God forbid! Rom 6:1,2
Being born again is a serious thing b4 God and He gives you the grace...when you believe in Him /repent from your sins... to live righteously. Titus 2:11, 12...
That is the true meaning of Born Again.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by jamesjohn2010: 10:49pm On Nov 22|
The Bible is not so literal but full of symbols. We need to understand God's vocabulary and then work therewith.
It's not an academic exercise or a figment of our imaginations.
The spirit of God departed in the garden of Eden and Adam died then although he was still living physically. He was dead spiritually and so are all his descendants.
So all man have sinned and fall short of His Glory ( lost God spirit in them)
Upon this Rock (revelation of the meaning of God's word) shall I build my church and the gates of hell ( false prophets) shall not prevail
Understand these Sir/ma;
Water = word of God by which all things were created
See or hear = understand
Let him that have ear (understanding), let him hear (understand) what the spirit is saying.
Except a man be born again ( be filled with the departed spirit in Eden,) he can't see(understand) the kingdom of God.
John3:5 is a further explanation of verse 3.
Except a man be born( filled) with water(undiluted word of God), and spirit( Holy spirit) he cannot enter the kingdom of God( reign with God or exercise God's power as a prince). We are his temple; He wants to dwell in us. The full Godhead dwelled in a special human flesh (Jesus)
Water baptism is a symbol of the word of God.
It should be a Total immersion; deeply filled or soaked in it and not sprinkling of the word. The word you read and understand or hear and understand makes you clean John 15:3
To be born again means to be filled with God's spirit and his word
Acting on these words following promptings from the Holy spirit gives you the full birth and eternal life. If you don't believe in the word (Jesus) as prompted by the Holy spirit, no eternal life.
The evidence of these continued obedience are the fruits: love joy, patience, endurance etc. Jesus said Bear fruits and let your fruits abide. You may decide to bring in your own will and then you may sin. You are grieving the Holy spirit and he may remain quiet in you if you continue to resist his holy life promptings. He will tell you shall you continue in Sin and let grace abound? For he that is born (filled) of the spirit should not try to commit sin, It grieves Him.
Some 'non-christians' that heared the word from wherever place and believe them could also attract the Holy spirit.
Receiving the Holy spirit; principles
1. Hear the word, repent, water baptism, Holy spirit baptism Act 2: 37, 38
2. Hear the word, repent, receive Holy spirit baptism, water baptism (word) follows. Remember Cornelius and family heard the word, repented and received Holy spirit first. Later they were baptized with water. Act 10:44 ;water symbolizes God's word.
You don't have to believe these. It is the spirit of God that can only convince you. For no man cometh to me except my father draws him. The Holy ghost the comforter shall lead you to all truth.
Do you have a besetting sin? It can be overcome. Just follow Holy spirit promptings.
No matter how good or self righteous you are, if arrogance/pride of life deter you from looking up to God for help, you can't receive the Holy spirit guidance. For all your righteousness is like a filthy rag.
Let us humble ourselves before God and He shall come in and we will reign with him in His kingdom.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by FarmTech(m): 11:14pm On Nov 22|
Oh my God! What ERROR are u people promoting. Read bible in CONTEXT! Try different translations to get the correct meaning. This passage is in no way telling u to sin in ur flesh and serve God in ur spirit.
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
Don't destroy urself with misinterpreting the bible. Christ came in human flesh to get rid of sin in ur human flesh. Nobody that is born of God will continue to sin wilfully in the flesh!
Matthew 3:8 ►
Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by FarmTech(m): 11:23pm On Nov 22|
The bible never say we shud not judge rightly. Because once u tell sb to repent from sin, u have judged his action b4 saying that. Rather, the bible condemns harsh judgement that has to do with the eternal state of a person. We shud not tell people that they will go to hell without adding "if u don't repent". We are also not allowed to judge sins we are guilty of.
|Re: What It Truly Means To Be Born Again by FarmTech(m): 11:33pm On Nov 22|
God bless u. This op and his misleading message self. No wonder the kind of born agains we see these days.
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