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If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 5:51am On Dec 16, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUAfgKdTeuQ

Published on Jun 20, 2017
Sociologist James A. Beckford, in his 1975 study of Jehovah's Witnesses, classified the group's organizational structure as Totalizing, characterized by an assertive leadership, specific and narrow objectives, control over competing demands on members' time and energy, and control over the quality of new members.

Other characteristics of the classification include likelihood of friction with secular authorities, reluctance to co-operate with other religious organizations, a high rate of membership turnover, a low rate of doctrinal change, and strict uniformity of beliefs among members. Beckford identified the group's chief characteristics as historicism (identifying historical events as relating to the outworking of God's purpose), absolutism (conviction that Jehovah's Witness leaders dispense absolute truth), activism (capacity to motivate members to perform missionary tasks), rationalism (conviction that Witness doctrines have a rational basis devoid of mystery), authoritarianism (rigid presentation of regulations without the opportunity for criticism) and world indifference (rejection of certain secular requirements and medical treatments).

Sociologist Bryan R. Wilson, in his consideration of five religious groups including Jehovah's Witnesses, noted that each of the denominations:

"exists in a state of tension with the wider society;"
"imposes tests of merit on would-be members;"
"exercises stern discipline, regulating the declared beliefs and the life habits of members and prescribing and operating sanctions for those who deviate, including the possibility of expulsion;"
"demands sustained and total commitment from its members, and the subordination, and perhaps even the exclusion of all other interests."

A sociological comparative study by the Pew Research Center found that Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States ranked highest in statistics for getting no further than high school graduation, belief in God, importance of religion in one's life, frequency of religious attendance, frequency of prayers, frequency of Bible reading outside of religious services, belief their prayers are answered, belief that their religion can only be interpreted one way, belief that theirs is the only one true faith leading to eternal life, opposition to abortion, and opposition to homosexuality. In the study, Jehovah's Witnesses ranked lowest in statistics for having an interest in politics. It was also among the most racially and ethnically diverse religious groups in the US.
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 5:52am On Dec 16, 2020
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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by uncleck: 6:05am On Dec 16, 2020
Shouldn't your last paragraph make you jealous of them in all sincerity?

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Ekemeze: 7:02am On Dec 16, 2020
DON'T TAKE CHRISTIANITY TO EXTREME
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:32am On Dec 16, 2020
They're able to gain mind control of over 8,700,000 people from different races throughout the globe and made them vow never to lift up weapons against their fellowman for any reason whatsoever! {Micah 4:1-3} So if everyone else around are under the control of this evil group racism and politics will be squashed for good!

Please in all sincerity i suggest this group should be banned globally for the world to continue as it is now, we don't really need such mind controlling group, at least people should continue to hate people due to racism and politics, so that manufacturers of weapons can continue their godly business! cheesy



uncleck:
Shouldn't your last paragraph make you jealous of them in all sincerity?

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by EbukaHades10(m): 7:33am On Dec 16, 2020
JW, Winners, Redeem and the others are all the same...acting like brainwashed people.


I believe in God but I'm not a Christian.


*Go back a read it again b4 u quote me*

Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 8:16am On Dec 16, 2020
uncleck:
Shouldn't your last paragraph make you jealous of them in all sincerity?

Jealous? Because of? That's if I really lack something to be jealous of.
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by DappaD: 8:35am On Dec 16, 2020
uncleck:
Shouldn't your last paragraph make you jealous of them in all sincerity?

The young man thinks his petty nairaland tricks can dissuade any honesthearted person from embracing the truth. Meanwhile he's doing quite the opposite as you've realized.
One of my JW brothers in the U.S. was questioned why Witnesses do not participate in politics, since perhaps we are very honest people(Hebrews 13:18). His reply was:
“Why should we? We have solved the problems that are tearing your world apart—prejudice, for example. Why should we trade in the gold for the mud?

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:36am On Dec 16, 2020
Surely you're jealous or envious of this group because 99% of your post is about them!

The evidence is shown below!


rottennaija:


Jealous? Because of? That's if I really lack something to be jealous of.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:00am On Dec 16, 2020
Rottennaija has turned himself into a sadistic accuser of God's people. Before he tries to make himself sound reasonable whenever he comes up with a post against JWs but now he run away from reasoning each time i try to chat with him mildly perhaps to see what's really hurting him.

Well i only sympathise with his parents on their loss because it must have cost them a lot to raise him and send him to school only for him to become a sadist. That's another reason why it is not advisable thinking of raising children under this present condition if you don't want to add to the grief and stress this system of thing is already causing! embarassed


DappaD:


The young man thinks his petty nairaland tricks can dissuade any honesthearted person from embracing the truth. Meanwhile he's doing quite the opposite as you've realized.
One of my JW brothers in the U.S. was questioned why Witnesses do not participate in politics, since perhaps we are very honest people(Hebrews 13:18). His reply was:
“Why should we? We have solved the problems that are tearing your world apart—prejudice, for example. Why should we trade in the gold for the mud?

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 11:35am On Dec 16, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Surely you're jealous or envious of this group because 99% of your post is about them!

The evidence is shown below!



So posting about a group is your evidence I'm jealous of the group. I'm now understand why watchtower is so obsessed with religious groups that if they failed to mentioned them, they don't sleep well. They must be really jealous of them.

Achorladey, the light is getting brighter with this cherished understanding.
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 11:36am On Dec 16, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Rottennaija has turned himself into a sadistic accuser of God's people. Before he tries to make himself sound reasonable whenever he comes up with a post against JWs but now he run away from reasoning each time i try to chat with him mildly perhaps to see what's really hurting him.

Well i only sympathise with his parents on their loss because it must have cost them a lot to raise him and send him to school only for him to become a sadist. That's another reason why it is not advisable thinking of raising children under this present condition if you don't want to add to the grief and stress this system of thing is already causing! embarassed



Oh poor me.
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 11:46am On Dec 16, 2020
DappaD:


The young man thinks his petty nairaland tricks can dissuade any honesthearted person from embracing the truth. Meanwhile he's doing quite the opposite as you've realized.
One of my JW brothers in the U.S. was questioned why Witnesses do not participate in politics, since perhaps we are very honest people(Hebrews 13:18). His reply was:
“Why should we? We have solved the problems that are tearing your world apart—prejudice, for example. Why should we trade in the gold for the mud?

Unless you have proof and evidence, I highly doubt it. I don't think you have been observing what is happening. The only the governing body and it's representative are demanding for more loyalty, trust and avoiding the Internet is because more and more questions are being asked. In fact, if anything, the recent trajectory of the organisation towards a more hard-line approach is because they are faced with a storm they cannot simply ignore away.

On Saturday, I was discussing with a Jw elder who is no longer interested in the post anymore. In fact, he told me it's only a matter of time before he stops. The last 2 weeks, I have been contacted by 2 JWs are PIMO. That's people I know. But when you consider what is coming from the organisation recently, it's definitely a pointed that something are not quite the way it used to be.

Go figure...


And by the way, the guy you quoted is a Jw.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:41pm On Dec 16, 2020
Just present a better performing group than JWs and allow the audience to compare! cheesy


rottennaija:


So posting about a group is your evidence I'm jealous of the group. I'm now understand why watchtower is so obsessed with religious groups that if they failed to mentioned them, they don't sleep well. They must be really jealous of them.

Achorladey, the light is getting brighter with this cherished understanding.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 1:31pm On Dec 16, 2020
MaxInDHouse:
Just present a better performing group than JWs and allow the audience to compare! cheesy



Oh dear, the broken machine again

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 6:55pm On Dec 16, 2020
rottennaija:


So posting about a group is your evidence I'm jealous of the group. I'm now understand why watchtower is so obsessed with religious groups that if they failed to mentioned them, they don't sleep well. They must be really jealous of them.

Achorladey, the light is getting brighter with this cherished understanding.

E get as e be ooooo. Measuring the JWs using their very own standards. The outcome don't always sit well with them.

Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 7:00pm On Dec 16, 2020
rottennaija:


Oh dear, the broken machine again

After saying all religions including the ONE wey he belong are not free from the INFLUENCE of SATAN, they are SINNERS, blah blah blah. He still need better performing GROUP. Perhaps better performing SINNERS and those performing better under the influence of SATAN grin grin grin
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 7:04pm On Dec 16, 2020
achorladey:


E get as e be ooooo. Measuring the JWs using their very own standards. The outcome don't always sit well with them.

They are so afraid of using their standard to measure them.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 7:10pm On Dec 16, 2020
rottennaija:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUAfgKdTeuQ

Published on Jun 20, 2017
Sociologist James A. Beckford, in his 1975 study of Jehovah's Witnesses, classified the group's organizational structure as Totalizing, characterized by an assertive leadership, specific and narrow objectives, control over competing demands on members' time and energy, and control over the quality of new members.

Other characteristics of the classification include likelihood of friction with secular authorities, reluctance to co-operate with other religious organizations, a high rate of membership turnover, a low rate of doctrinal change, and strict uniformity of beliefs among members. Beckford identified the group's chief characteristics as historicism (identifying historical events as relating to the outworking of God's purpose), absolutism (conviction that Jehovah's Witness leaders dispense absolute truth), activism (capacity to motivate members to perform missionary tasks), rationalism (conviction that Witness doctrines have a rational basis devoid of mystery), authoritarianism (rigid presentation of regulations without the opportunity for criticism) and world indifference (rejection of certain secular requirements and medical treatments).

Sociologist Bryan R. Wilson, in his consideration of five religious groups including Jehovah's Witnesses, noted that each of the denominations:

"exists in a state of tension with the wider society;"
"imposes tests of merit on would-be members;"
"exercises stern discipline, regulating the declared beliefs and the life habits of members and prescribing and operating sanctions for those who deviate, including the possibility of expulsion;"
"demands sustained and total commitment from its members, and the subordination, and perhaps even the exclusion of all other interests."

A sociological comparative study by the Pew Research Center found that Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States ranked highest in statistics for getting no further than high school graduation, belief in God, importance of religion in one's life, frequency of religious attendance, frequency of prayers, frequency of Bible reading outside of religious services, belief their prayers are answered, belief that their religion can only be interpreted one way, belief that theirs is the only one true faith leading to eternal life, opposition to abortion, and opposition to homosexuality. In the study, Jehovah's Witnesses ranked lowest in statistics for having an interest in politics. It was also among the most racially and ethnically diverse religious groups in the US.

This video must be the one for this midweek meetings grin cheesy grin based on the words of Mr Max who said "criticizing the same organization where they worship"


Key information here is it is a TOTALITARIAN set up. The particular point captured in that video frame was really interesting. It is the set up they used that has been turned against them in some countries. They cry blue murder.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 8:16pm On Dec 16, 2020
achorladey:


This video must be the one for this midweek meetings grin cheesy grin based on the words of Mr Max who said "criticizing the same organization where they worship"


Key information here is it is a TOTALITARIAN set up. The particular point captured in that video frame was really interesting. It is the set up they used that has been turned against them in some countries. They cry blue murder.

I wonder if they don't see the hypocrisy in it. I was listening to Jw meeting this week, the Elder was talking about those to mark and shun and he was stressing those criticising the governing body repeatedly.

It truly has been become so totalitarian. Earlier, I took this snapshot from the e-watchman post. He captures system so well.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 7:47pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


Unless you have proof and evidence, I highly doubt it. I don't think you have been observing what is happening. The only the governing body and it's representative are demanding for more loyalty, trust and avoiding the Internet is because more and more questions are being asked. In fact, if anything, the recent trajectory of the organisation towards a more hard-line approach is because they are faced with a storm they cannot simply ignore away.

On Saturday, I was discussing with a Jw elder who is no longer interested in the post anymore. In fact, he told me it's only a matter of time before he stops. The last 2 weeks, I have been contacted by 2 JWs are PIMO. That's people I know. But when you consider what is coming from the organisation recently, it's definitely a pointed that something are not quite the way it used to be.

Go figure...


And by the way, the guy you quoted is a Jw.

Rott Wailer dines with GB of JWs, sotay them give am regular briefing cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

Judas iscariot was PIMO untill the "son of destruction" exposed himself.

Birds of a feather must flock together,it's that simple. cheesy grin
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 7:54pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


I wonder if they don't see the hypocrisy in it. I was listening to Jw meeting this week, the Elder was talking about those to mark and shun and he was stressing those criticising the governing body repeatedly.

It truly has been become so totalitarian. Earlier, I took this snapshot from the e-watchman post. He captures system so well.

Rott Wailer Mormon church dey chase out their Members critical of the Mormon church leadership
"Mormon church leaders preference for "Whitewashed Mormon history" you no see am in the Screenshot?

Bros, your HYPOCRISY tie gele and wrapper.
The duo of Achorladey and Rott Wailer

cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 8:08pm On Dec 17, 2020
achorladey:


This video must be the one for this midweek meetings grin cheesy grin based on the words of Mr Max who said "criticizing the same organization where they worship"


Key information here is it is a TOTALITARIAN set up. The particular point captured in that video frame was really interesting. It is the set up they used that has been turned against them in some countries. They cry blue murder.

HYPOCRITE FALSELY claiming totalitarian set up. You wise pass Jesus Christ & his Father's organization, form your own Church nau cheesy grin grin cheesy
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 8:23pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


So posting about a group is your evidence I'm jealous of the group. I'm now understand why watchtower is so obsessed with religious groups that if they failed to mentioned them, they don't sleep well. They must be really jealous of them.

Achorladey, the light is getting brighter with this cherished understanding.

[i]Why you dey DECEIVE yourself?
Who no dey sleep well?

I challenge you to Mention one thread about your "Rottennaija" moniker that any JW have opened on Nairaland.

Compare and contrast with over 50 threads you have set up to spread misinformation about JWs.

Where you Rottennaija not exposed for misinformation and FALSE claims when you deliberately LIED on this forum that "JWs were Permissive to Pedophiles"?
[/i]
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 9:05pm On Dec 17, 2020
Janosky:


Rott Wailer Mormon church dey chase out their Members critical of the Mormon church leadership
"Mormon church leaders preference for "Whitewashed Mormon history" you no see am in the Screenshot?

Bros, your HYPOCRISY tie gele and wrapper.
The duo of Achorladey and Rott Wailer

cheesy grin cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

So it's it JWs alone that doesn't allow criticism?
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 9:16pm On Dec 17, 2020
Janosky:


HYPOCRITE FALSELY claiming totalitarian set up. You wise pass Jesus Christ & his Father's organization, form your own Church nau cheesy grin grin cheesy

This is a rubber stamp to the Totalitarian saga grin grin cheesy. One of your brother here already told us previously. Nothing like DEMOCRACY there. grin grin cheesy
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 9:20pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


So it's it JWs alone that doesn't allow criticism?


Roll out their standards and they get tied up with it. Serious laughter to the below.......

Mormon church dey chase out their Members critical of the Mormon church leadership

Replace Mormon with JW case closed.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 9:25pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


I wonder if they don't see the hypocrisy in it. I was listening to Jw meeting this week, the Elder was talking about those to mark and shun and he was stressing those criticising the governing body repeatedly.

It truly has been become so totalitarian. Earlier, I took this snapshot from the e-watchman post. He captures system so well.


The formula is simple don't QUESTION THOSE TAKING THE LEAD. GB is GOD Guardian of OUR DOCTRINE grin grin cheesy cheesy in the words of GJ himself.

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Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 9:41pm On Dec 17, 2020
rottennaija:


So it's it JWs alone that doesn't allow criticism?

Bros , na today you know your hypocrisy tie gele and wrapper on top your tuxedo suit ? cheesy grin grin cheesy grin.

I challenge you to show Evidence that you have ever critically lambasted "tyranny & hierarchical authoritarianism" of your Mormon church leadership
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by Janosky: 9:56pm On Dec 17, 2020
achorladey:



Roll out their standards and they get tied up with it. Serious laughter to the below.......

Mormon church dey chase out their Members critical of the Mormon church leadership

Replace Mormon with JW case closed.
Anywhere belle belle face Hypocrite cheesy wink grin

Have you ever been critical of the Mormon church leadership?

Your friend worships a goddess, have you ever faulted his stand ?
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by achorladey: 10:40pm On Dec 17, 2020
Janosky:

Anywhere belle belle face Hypocrite cheesy wink grin

Have you ever been critical of the Mormon church leadership?

Your friend worships a goddess, have you ever faulted his stand ?



Anywhere belle belle face Hypocrite

grin grin grin grin grin grin

critical of the Mormon church leadership

But you said I am anywhere belleface grin grin grin grin. Didn't I call the Mormons the elder sister of your organization just like the SDAs grin grin grin grin.

Your friend worships a goddess

Na him tell you so or your MISINFORMATION? grin grin grin
Re: If You've Ever Doubted Jehovah's Witnesses Are Mind Conditioned , Please Watch by rottennaija(m): 6:25am On Dec 18, 2020
Janosky:


Bros , na today you know your hypocrisy tie gele and wrapper on top your tuxedo suit ? cheesy grin grin cheesy grin.

I challenge you to show Evidence that you have ever critically lambasted "tyranny & hierarchical authoritarianism" of your Mormon church leadership


You want me to do what? Blast Mormon? Who else after? Catholic? It's seems you are highly demented. The ex-members of these groups are doing that. I'm an ex-Jw. It's the JW hypocrisy and falsehood I'm after. Okay?

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