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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 10:35am On Mar 07
kulrunsman79:
Op please correct yourself! There is nothing like "fruits of the spirit" ......it's FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT. It therefore means that since the fruit is singular, anyone endued with the holy spirit will exhibit all the fruit and not some.

Meanwhile, speaking in tongues isn't the evidence of the holy ghost. The evidence of holy ghost is the character change in a believer. It's the transformation of a sinner to saint: the killing of sinful living and wholesome acceptance of righteousness. When the holy ghost is in you, the urge to commit sin won't be there anymore. You won't find yourself struggling not do what you found pleasure in the past.

Many people spake in tongues even untop of another man's wife. Speaking in tongues therefore isn't evidence you are saved or will make heaven. I know many great men of God who never spoke publicly in tongues yet God used them mightily.

Shalom!!

Noted! Pastor Kumuyi comes to mind.
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Originalsly: 10:35am On Mar 07
thesolutions:



Knowledge activates Faith, and Faith is the energy that brings the power of God to light.
So, yes. Many people are speaking in tongues without knowing.
The first time I spake in tongue, I prophesied to someone without knowing I was doing that until the person shouted a loud amen on the other side of the wall outside the building I was praying in. then I realized I had called him by name, someone I never knew, and had spoken to him about his challenges.


@Op.... nice write up.

@ above. Because the person shouted Amen you came to that conclusion? I'm someone that will shout Amen if someone is carrying on making noise in the name of prayer ... hoping the person will shut up. Praying in tongues is nonsense... literally. If you believe it is not... fine... belief does not need evidence to support... it's like an opinion... everyone is entitled to their belief. But to discuss speaking in tongues .... you need evidence or backing to support if it is for real... or a sham.
Reference is often made of speaking in tongues on the Day of Pentecost.... of the Holy Spirit coming down on the Disciples and having them speak in tongues. The rest of what happened is never ever used as evidence..... why not? ... because it will rubbish what is practised today as speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues means speaking in a different language.... the reason why the very Bible says if you are going to speak in tongues you need an interpreter (so that listeners will understand what you're saying) or sit down.... shut up. Why is this part ignored? We be praying in tongues .. who be interpreting? Did the Disciples on the Day of Pentecost had interpreters?...No...why?... because everyone understood in their own language... what they were saying. The amount of foolish explanations for the noise making is unbelievable.....but then... after all..... I am of the flesh and cannot understand spiritual matters!

Like OP pointed out.... tongue speaking is just one sign.... which these pastors and tongue speakers do not get right as I explained above.. what happen to the other gifts? Now basically making snakes harmless is another gift.... snakes are plentiful here.... shouldn't we be seeing these Spirit filled people be handling snakes?... should I find a Black Mamba in my house... if I call the Pastor to drag it out .. will he come?... or when there is a snake on campus... does the tongue speakers go drag it out? Why is that part of the gift ignored?....why everybody get only the tongue speaking gift?

Speaking in tongues as practised today is nonsense... literally... and this is not an opinion. Feel free to disagree.... but point out where I'm wrong and why.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Vodox: 10:38am On Mar 07
It's not a scam, there is this Baba that doesn't know how to speak English, only hausa, but when he speaks in tongues, he speaks English.
So to me it's not scam, it's a gift that not everyone have.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Nonyeadamu: 10:39am On Mar 07
no it is not a must as the bike made us to know that there are 9 different gifts given to us all and at least 2 out of the gifts will be perfect in us.

1 Corinthians 12

[1] The Use of Spiritual Gifts Now about the spiritual gifts [the special endowments given by the Holy Spirit], brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
[2] You know that when you were pagans, you were led off after speechless idols; however you were led off [whether by impulse or habit].
[3] Therefore I want you to know that no one speaking by the [power and influence of the] Spirit of God can say, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is [my] Lord,” except by [the power and influence of] the Holy Spirit.
[4] Now there are [distinctive] varieties of spiritual gifts [special abilities given by the grace and extraordinary power of the Holy Spirit operating in believers], but it is the same Spirit [who grants them and empowers believers].
[5] And there are [distinctive] varieties of ministries and service, but it is the same Lord [who is served].
[6] And there are [distinctive] ways of working [to accomplish things], but it is the same God who produces all things in all believers [inspiring, energizing, and empowering them].
[7] But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit [the spiritual illumination and the enabling of the Holy Spirit] for the common good.
[8] To one is given through the [Holy] Spirit [the power to speak] the message of wisdom, and to another [the power to express] the word of knowledge and understanding according to the same Spirit;
[9] to another [wonder-working] faith [is given] by the same [Holy] Spirit, and to another the [extraordinary] gifts of healings by the one Spirit;
[10] and to another the working of miracles, and to another prophecy [foretelling the future, speaking a new message from God to the people], and to another discernment of spirits [the ability to distinguish sound, godly doctrine from the deceptive doctrine of man-made religions and cults], to another various kinds of [unknown] tongues, and to another interpretation of tongues.
[11] All these things [the gifts, the achievements, the abilities, the empowering] are brought about by one and the same [Holy] Spirit, distributing to each one individually just as He chooses.


thesolutions:
No.

But of a truth, many believer speaks in tongues without knowing they do.
the problem is that most people want to sound like their pastors.

Yh

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Luckybelt: 10:43am On Mar 07
The question is must every Christian experience the supernatural life. Speaking in tongues is the door to the supernatural.
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Valkan(m): 10:45am On Mar 07
I already made a topic on this I don't know why the mods refused to move it to front page

https://www.nairaland.com/6437149/how-abuse-great-gift-holy

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Originalsly: 10:45am On Mar 07
Vodox:


It's not a scam, there is this Baba that doesn't know how to speak English, only hausa, but when he speaks in tongues, he speaks English.
So to me it's not scam, it's a gift that not everyone have.


Don't make him fool you... he knows English. When does he speak in tongues and who are those around him?..... Hausa or English speakers?.... and what he be saying? Were you there?... or this is what you were told?

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by tatax(m): 10:52am On Mar 07
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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by joceey(m): 10:58am On Mar 07
BassReeves:
1 Corinthians 12:30
'Do we all have the gift of healing? Do we all have the ability to speak in unknown languages?
Do we all have the ability to interpret unknown languages?
(i.e. Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?)
Of course not!
'

Every believer do not have to 'speak in tongues' as an evidence of having the Holy Spirit because aside 'speak in tongues' there are other manifestations of the evidence of having the Holy Spirit for every believer

'Speak In Tongues' is available to be given, as a gift, as when it is deemed necessary for each believer to possess. This meaning that, not having the gift of 'speaking in tongue' is not a sign of a fault or failure to meet any certain standard

1 Corinthians 14:13–17
'13Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
15What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.
16Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?
17For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up.
'

1 Corinthians 14:22
'So then, tongues are for a sign, not to those believing, but to the unbelieving;
but prophecy is not to the unbelieving, but to the believing.
'

In the hierarchy of the gifts and manifestations of the evidence of having the Holy Spirit, 'speak in tongues' is at the lower rungs of the hierarchy ladder

It is interesting to know that Apostle Paul downplays the importance of speaking in tongues. As, Apostle Paul, on record, is seen to say, do not speak in tongues without an interpreter, but this advice and guideline, is religiously, regularly and openly disregarded during gathering worships, corporate and personal prayer sessions.

Tongues, actually is meant to be used for a sign, to 'targeted' unbelievers, but not to or for believers. The questions, to be asked then are:
1. How is or are tongues, be used as a sign, to 'targeted' unbelievers?
2. Who originally is 1 Corinthians 14:22 referring to specifically, as 'unbelieving' or talking about as 'unbelieving'?
3. What exactly is it that the 1 Corinthians 14:22 'unbelieving' are not accepting as truth, especially without proof, that necessitated using the gift of speaking in tongue to pass on information with?




YOU HAVE SAID IT ALL NOT ALL BELIEVERS MUST SPEAKING IN TONGUES ,SPEAKING IN TONGUES IS ONE OF THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NOT THE ONLY GIFT ,WE HAVE OTHER GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ALSO THOSE WHO HAVE THE ORIGINAL SPEAKING IN TONGUES -SPEAK AND YOU WILL SEE THE EVIDENCE THAT ITS REAL ,NOT THE FAKE ONES WITH MEANINGLESS SPEAKING.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:00am On Mar 07
colp2015:
No!

Believers may not necessarily speak "with A New Tongue" as evidence of infilling of the Holy Spirit. This infilling experience is erroneously tagged baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Be that as it may, every believer in Christ who seeks effectiveness in God's service to humanity will at some point have an experience similar to speaking in tongue - if not physically, it will happen in the dream.

Speaking a strange tongue understood in other climes is different from tongues to commune with God privately.

The former - a tongue understood in other climes - is a special gift given to the early church as a SIGN that Christ is risen. Has it ceased? NO!

But new tongues mentioned in 1 Cor. 12 fall under the gifting of God for service to humanity within the Church. The gift of interpretation of tongue is needed to make this gift effective. 1 Corinthians 14:22-25.

The third aspect of tongues is for private communion with God. It has nothing to do with Church service. 1 Corinthians. 14:14-15.

The confusion in the Body of Christ is due to our minds. Many believers are one track minded who swing to the extremes.

A Breakdown:

There are three dimensions to tongues.

1. Tongues understood on earth but by foreigners and in other climes. A Sign and a Gift.

2. Tongues as a gift to edify the Church. Interpretation is important for effectiveness

3. Tongues for private communication with God. It is a language of angels not understood by Man, not even the speaker.


Apt!

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:03am On Mar 07
Johnjnr:
Speaking in tongue does not equal having the holy spirit.

I speak in tongue but have never worked in other supernatural means like instant healing e.t.c.


My dad is a pastor, and I have never heard him speak in tongue but have seen him pray on multiple occasions and people fall under the anointing, receive instant healing, cast out evil spirits.

Wow! Interesting. Is your dad a Pentecostal pastor? Perhaps you do not attend the same church with your dad.
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Tobechuckwu(m): 11:04am On Mar 07
When one start asking all this question about speaking in tongues nd is it a sign?
Speaking in tongues is for every born again Christian.
If u are having issues with believing or accepting it , then check ur salvation if u are truly saved.
A natural man can't understand d things of God bcuz they are spirituality decoded.
The tendency that u are not saved is high, check out ur salvation once u start questioning spiritual things

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by tatax(m): 11:06am On Mar 07
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the spirit.. Have it been abused? Yes it has.
Is speaking in tongues real? Yes it is.

The bible is a compendium of God's work with man or people and they are there for reference so as to guide, predict and teach people how God moves in a dispensation and also how God changes his dealings at intervals with generations and dispensations.

We might not be getting it entirely right if we interpret happenings now directly to the way God moved in the past. What am I saying? I'm saying that as event goes and as time passes, God changes his dealings with man and generations to suit his plans and will as at what is happening at that time.

Presently, we are in the move of God where God deals with people individually and not as group. As such, individuals are encouraged to know God for themselves and have personal encounters with God. Emphasis on personal encounters because if we do confusions as this wouldn't be in the body. The bible said "In the last days, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh....." - This means that in the last days, what used to come on selected few, what used to come on the Moses, the Samuels, the Davids, the Elijahs, will be made available to all flesh. The access to God which God used to give to very selected few will come on all flesh; old, young, women, men.. all flesh will see vision, speak in tongues and dream. All we need do is desire it with all our heart and seek it because when we seek, we find.

Speaking in tongues is the language of the spirit.. it edifies you, strengthens you and direct your spirit to pray according to God's will. 1 John 5:14 "and this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us". Praying in tongue helps your spirit direct or channel your prayer according to his will. So I am convinced it is a gift made available to anyone who genuinely desire it to help their communication with God.

To some who argued Jesus or the disciples never prayed in tongue.. can I shock you? Do you know all the while Jesus stayed with the disciples, the disciples never fasted.. Read Matthew 9:14 - 15. They dont need to do so. Jesus is one of the trinity; God the son. If the trinity are one, God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit, of what need is he (Jesus) praying in tongue when he is the language and spirit himself. He knows the mind of the father and is always in tandem with his will.

Must a believer speak in tongue? It important a believer takes advantage of all these good gift God has given us to make communion with him easier, sweet and efficient. 2 peter 1-3 "By his divine power, God has given us everything we need for living a godly life. We have received all of this by coming to know him, the one who called us to himself by means of his marvelous glory and excellence"

The knowledge of God help us know this and understand his mind. As a believer, we need to activate our ability to speak and pray in tongues, it is important a believer accesses this gift.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:07am On Mar 07
Todetayo:
As much as I've resisted the urge to comment, I have to say this. The gifts mentioned in the book of Corinthians can only be activated when the apostles lay hand on the Christian. That is why Simeon the sorcerer had to attempt to bribe the apostles to lay hand on him so he can speak in tongues.

This brings me to 3 question, and they are;

1) Which apostle laid hand on the so called people speaking in tongues?

2) The gifts varies, and so why is it that no one has claimed to have the gifts of interpreting tongues?

3) Even in the model prayer (Our father who art in heaven) was there a point that Jesus spoke in tongues?

Maybe I'll know the next thing to say If all these questions are answered.

I guess you are as confused as I am.
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by OgeFather(m): 11:09am On Mar 07
afroniger:
Both 'speaking in tongues' and 'holy spirit' na scam. Anybody can 'robo robo skibo shata roko shanta shaka raba raba'. See, I just spoke in tongues. cheesy grin

Nah bro , the holy spirit is real and speaking in tongues is real too but the truth is if they're 10m people in this world that speak in tongues, only like 50 are real. The bible said speak in "other" tongues not "unknown" tongues that is if someone who speaks french suddenly starts speaking Spanish and not someone just making meaningless sounds. Let's not forget that speaking in tongues is one of the gift of the holy spirit and essence of that gift is to further reach people in other clan with the gospel who don't understand or speak our language

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by BassReeves: 11:10am On Mar 07
joceey:
You have said it all not all believers must speaking in tongues, speaking in tongues is one of the gift of the holy spirit not the only gift. Also those who have the original speaking in tongues - speak and you will see the evidence that its real, not the fake ones with meaningless speaking.
If anyone is not speaking any human being language, then such is deceiving themselves that they are speaking a heavenly language, because on each three occasions, that the gift of speaking in tongues were biblically recorded, they on those three occasions, spoke in tongues that clearly were human and had meaning enough for those present to understand, without needing any interpretation or anyone to interpret to them all that was spoken.

It was from the speaking of tongues and after the speaking of tongues, that those targeted and present in the audience, began believing, then fully believed to then become believers

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by shadeyinka(m): 11:10am On Mar 07
iamDrRhymes:
I used to have this roommate who was a member of one of these Pentecostal fellowships back then in campus.

Do you even know that speaking in tongues is not only a Christian phenomenon? Somethings are connecting as regards to the Christianity we practice in this age. May God grant us the spirit of discernment (1 John 4:1).

I think you are mixing up two different things
1. Having the Holy Spirit
2. Being Filled with the Holy Spirit

Having the Holy Spirit take place just once in your life at the point when you become BORN Again. It gives you the SEAL of God and Salvation. This is what give you the identity as a Child of God. It seldom come with any outward manifestation. The most common is an overwhelming peace and cleanliness you feel at the point of salvation. This is your Baptism of/into/by the Holy Spirit.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a COMMAND for every Christian. We are to DAILY filled with the Holy Spirit. Being filled with the Holy Spirit means being controlled (like being intoxicated with wine) by the Holy Spirit. Just like it takes a measure of drinking to become drunk, so it takes a measure of surrendering to become drunk in the Holy Spirit. When we get drunk with the Holy Spirit, it results in outward manifestations (an offshoot of the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest) such as Speaking in Tongues, Prophetic manifestations, word of knowledge, Vision/Trance, Faith etc.

However, a few Christians may experience Both Salvation and Being FILLED simultaneously.

Many Christians actually confuse
Baptism of the Holy Spirit with
Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

I can supply you with scriptures if you need verification. Let me know if you have any questions.


Water Baptism is a physical evidence to the Body of Christ that you have Being Born Again and can therefore become/included in the church. A person who is not born again but is baptized is NOT known by Christ!

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:11am On Mar 07
Overthemoonman:
This stuff is becoming very annoying in this new generation churches. Prayer for thanksgiving, they will start speaking in tongues.. Prayers for forgiveness of sin, speaking in tongues. They have turned the whole thing to a joke. I watched a video of a female friend yesterday, she was videoing herself speaking in tongues..I was like WTF is this lady doing like this...

The proliferation of these new generation churches has dragged Christianity back..

I tire o
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by RealEzee(m): 11:15am On Mar 07
Speaking in tongues is a gift of the holy ghost to proclaim the gospel, as it can be a sign to unbelievers of the power of God unto them who proclaim his gospel.

an example of how this is manifested was on the day of Pentecost of which the apostles when the holy ghost made manifest they were able to speak the language of the foreigners among them.

This event amazed the foreigners that they heard the apostles speak their native tongue, some did conclude that the apostles were drunk tho, but logically you cant be drunk and all of a sudden start speaking French when you're not a French person or fluent in it, but in this case for the gospel to be preach to all people and all nations it was important that the apostles be able to speak the word of God in the tongues of those they were to share the gospel with, and that was the miracle they experienced on the Pentecost as they were blessed with the gift of tongues and many did join with the church after that event.

One may argue the current ways peeps do interpret the gift of tongues as to speaking some heavenly language, well as the Bible can be used for reference, the precedence actually debunks that notion that it's some heavenly language of sheyrababa reybo reybo, naaah, that's just the counterfeit manifestation of the devil about the gift of tongues.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:15am On Mar 07
BassReeves:


Revelation 16:13-14
'13And I saw three loathsome spirits like frogs, leaping from the mouth of the dragon (Satan)
and from the mouth of the beast (Antichrist, dictator) and from the mouth of the false prophet;
14for they are [actually] the spirits of demons, performing [miraculous] signs.
And they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.
'

The 'You can learn it naa' Mikelarteta comment, is a classic example of where and what you typed in your original post about 'Is it a lie that speaking in tongues has be abused or hijacked by strange spirits in the church today?'

'You can learn it naa' is an end time deception of the demonic and foul spirits, mentioned in Rev 16:13-14, symbolised as three unclean spirits that looked like frogs. May I ask, how do frogs catch their prey? Of course, by using tongues, to snare unsuspected believers with their false speaking in tongues deception and bad indoctrination

Fantastic! This is even deeper.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:19am On Mar 07
BassReeves:
If anyone is not speaking any human being language, then such is deceiving themselves that they are speaking a heavenly language, because on each three occasions, that the gift of speaking in tongues were biblically recorded, they on those three occasions, spoke in tongues that clearly were human and had meaning enough for those present to understand, without needing any interpretation or anyone to interpret to them all that was spoken.

It was from the speaking of tongues and after the speaking of tongues, that those targeted and present in the audience, began believing, then fully believed to then become believers

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Well, your view though but I believe speaking in tongues is way deeper than the way you placed it.
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:23am On Mar 07
shadeyinka:


I think you are mixing up two different things
1. Having the Holy Spirit
2. Being Filled with the Holy Spirit

Having the Holy Spirit take place just once in your life at the point when you become BORN Again. It gives you the SEAL of God and Salvation. This is what give you the identity as a Child of God. It seldom come with any outward manifestation. The most common is an overwhelming peace and cleanliness you feel at the point of salvation. This is your Baptism of/into/by the Holy Spirit.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a COMMAND for every Christian. We are to DAILY filled with the Holy Spirit. Being filled with the Holy Spirit means being controlled (like being intoxicated with wine) by the Holy Spirit. Just like it takes a measure of drinking to become drunk, so it takes a measure of surrendering to become drunk in the Holy Spirit. When we get drunk with the Holy Spirit, it results in outward manifestations (an offshoot of the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest) such as Speaking in Tongues, Prophetic manifestations, word of knowledge, Vision/Trance, Faith etc.

However, a few Christians may experience Both Salvation and Being FILLED simultaneously.

Many Christians actually confuse
Baptism of the Holy Spirit with
Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

I can supply you with scriptures if you need verification. Let me know if you have any questions.


Water Baptism is a physical evidence to the Body of Christ that you have Being Born Again and can therefore become/included in the church. A person who is not born again but is baptized is NOT known by Christ!

Are you also agreeing with me that it's possible to have the Holy Spirit and not still speak in tongues?
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Truefaith: 11:27am On Mar 07

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by shadeyinka(m): 11:29am On Mar 07
iamDrRhymes:


Are you also agreeing with me that it's possible to have the Holy Spirit and not still speak in tongues?
Of course!
One cannot be born again without having the Holy Spirit. He is our SEAL until the day of our redemption.

Secondly, the act of speaking/praying in tongues is different from the gift of tongue.

Every Christian can decide to speak/pray in tongues HOWEVER, the gift of tongues is given by the Holy Spirit (like every other spiritual gifts) for the edification of the Body of Christ

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:40am On Mar 07
Originalsly:


@Op.... nice write up.

@ above. Because the person shouted Amen you came to that conclusion? I'm someone that will shout Amen if someone is carrying on making noise in the name of prayer ... hoping the person will shut up. Praying in tongues is nonsense... literally. If you believe it is not... fine... belief does not need evidence to support... it's like an opinion... everyone is entitled to their belief. But to discuss speaking in tongues .... you need evidence or backing to support if it is for real... or a sham.
Reference is often made of speaking in tongues on the Day of Pentecost.... of the Holy Spirit coming down on the Disciples and having them speak in tongues. The rest of what happened is never ever used as evidence..... why not? ... because it will rubbish what is practised today as speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues means speaking in a different language.... the reason why the very Bible says if you are going to speak in tongues you need an interpreter (so that listeners will understand what you're saying) or sit down.... shut up. Why is this part ignored? We be praying in tongues .. who be interpreting? Did the Disciples on the Day of Pentecost had interpreters?...No...why?... because everyone understood in their own language... what they were saying. The amount of foolish explanations for the noise making is unbelievable.....but then... after all..... I am of the flesh and cannot understand spiritual matters!

Like OP pointed out.... tongue speaking is just one sign.... which these pastors and tongue speakers do not get right as I explained above.. what happen to the other gifts? Now basically making snakes harmless is another gift.... snakes are plentiful here.... shouldn't we be seeing these Spirit filled people be handling snakes?... should I find a Black Mamba in my house... if I call the Pastor to drag it out .. will he come?... or when there is a snake on campus... does the tongue speakers go drag it out? Why is that part of the gift ignored?....why everybody get only the tongue speaking gift?

Speaking in tongues as practised today is nonsense... literally... and this is not an opinion. Feel free to disagree.... but point out where I'm wrong and why.



Kudos to you. You indeed read through.

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by nkemoma(m): 11:40am On Mar 07
Foolish Christendom...

The gift of speaking in a foreign language has ceased.

The account recorded in the Account of Acts Chapter 2.. Shows what true speaking in tongues mean.. And not the hullabaloo and deceit going on in churches today..

The Disciples spoke in languages that people from those lands understood... The people were shocked that men and women who lived in Israel all their lives were speaking in languages foreign to them...

That is... I, an Igbo man, never been to Germany, never learn German, never met a German... But one day I start speaking the gospel in German so fluently that a German passes by and understands the message clearly...


So speaking in tongues is not the skiborobo skibo churches and its stupid followers do....

Moreover, the bible clearly shows that it has ceased like miracles because we have what is complete... The bible!

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Judybash93(m): 11:41am On Mar 07
cryAfrica, my motherland... WTF happened to us?

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by Nobody: 11:42am On Mar 07
iamDrRhymes:


Are you saying that it is possible to have the power of God and not know it? How possible is that?
Very possible many have received Jesus christ in them but first consult their pastor, bishop, mama, mummy, daddy GO, etc before God through christ in them.
Jehovah witness are good in scriptural knowledge , but lack spirituality and life in christ, they are highly segregative and don't believe that God can speak to man but rather chew only the Scripture forgetting that the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life.
The only thing I admire in them is thier persistence in studying the Bible (mind you thier own translation) and evangelism (based on thier kgd publications )

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by shadeyinka(m): 11:42am On Mar 07
Bampeh:
One of the Characteristics of having the holy spirit in you is speaking in tongues.

The holy spirit uses your tongue and heart to communicate with God without your intentions.

The answer to your question is "yes"

Bampeh said something meaningful

Tobechuckwu:
When one start asking all this question about speaking in tongues nd is it a sign?
Speaking in tongues is for every born again Christian.
If u are having issues with believing or accepting it , then check ur salvation if u are truly saved.
A natural man can't understand d things of God bcuz they are spirituality decoded.
The tendency that u are not saved is high, check out ur salvation once u start questioning spiritual things

The answer is capital no!

You are mixing up three different things
1. Having the Holy Spirit
2. Being Filled with the Holy Spirit
3. Having the gift of Tongues

shadeyinka:

Having the Holy Spirit take place just once in your life at the point when you become BORN Again. It gives you the SEAL of God and Salvation. This is what give you the identity as a Child of God. It seldom come with any outward manifestation. The most common is an overwhelming peace and cleanliness you feel at the point of salvation. This is your Baptism of/into/by the Holy Spirit.

Being filled with the Holy Spirit is a COMMAND for every Christian. We are to DAILY filled with the Holy Spirit. Being filled with the Holy Spirit means being controlled (like being intoxicated with wine) by the Holy Spirit. Just like it takes a measure of drinking to become drunk, so it takes a measure of surrendering to become drunk in the Holy Spirit. When we get drunk with the Holy Spirit, it results in outward manifestations (an offshoot of the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest) such as Speaking in Tongues, Prophetic manifestations, word of knowledge, Vision/Trance, Faith etc.

However, a few Christians may experience Both Salvation and Being FILLED simultaneously.

Many Christians actually confuse
Baptism of the Holy Spirit with
Being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

I can supply you with scriptures if you need verification. Let me know if you have any questions.


Water Baptism is a physical evidence to the Body of Christ that you have Being Born Again and can therefore become/included in the church. A person who is not born again but is baptized is NOT known by Christ!

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:43am On Mar 07
Vodox:
It's not a scam, there is this Baba that doesn't know how to speak English, only hausa, but when he speaks in tongues, he speaks English.
So to me it's not scam, it's a gift that not everyone have.

This is the kind of tongues we should be seeing in the church so that people can believe. I heard of another woman who has never gone to school or travel out of Nigeria but speaks French when she in the spirit. God is great!
Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:46am On Mar 07
Luckybelt:
The question is must every Christian experience the supernatural life. Speaking in tongues is the door to the supernatural.

Any bible reference to back up your point?

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Re: Must Every Believer Speak In Tongues As An Evidence Of Having The Holy Spirit? by iamDrRhymes(m): 11:55am On Mar 07
Valkan:
I already made a topic on this I don't know why the mods refused to move it to front page

https://www.nairaland.com/6437149/how-abuse-great-gift-holy

I read through your article but what makes you think that speaking in tongues is the greatest of all the gifts of the spirit?

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