@BigFrances1
OLD MAN everyone knows that ANGOLA-CONGO AND BIAFRANS SLAVES came late in the British colonies in the west indies.

Meaning between 1600-1750 most AFRICAN SLAVES IN WEST INDIES WERE SENEGAMBIA AND GOLD COAST.

Your link about 1813 IS JUST SHOWING THE SOCALLED "NEW AFRICANS" ITS NOT CHANING WHAT I SAID OTHER THAN "REINFORCING MY POINT TO U weak ibo".

YOU WERE QUIET THE WHOLE DAY ONLY TO COME BACK WITH INFO U HAVE POSTED IN PAGE 1-2PAGE. STU-PID IGBO MAN.

U HAVE FAILED TO BRING THE INFO U CLAMED TO HAVE TYPICAL IBO MAN.
FALSE CLAIMS IS WHAT ARE GOOD AT

@Bigfrances1
U CAN CHANGE NAMES AND DO ALL SORTS OF "MONKEY TRICKS". The trueth REMAINS.

DR JOSEPH HOLLOWAY AN AFRO AMERICAN SCHOLAR BOOKS HAS FACTS.

http://faculty.risd.edu/bcampbel/Templates/Templates/holloway.pdf

Even SOUTH EAST AFRICANS MOZAMBIQUENS,TANZANIANS SENT SLAVES.
INFO THAT WAS UNKOWN BY IGBO FOOLS. STICK WITH US WE WILL TEACH U "UNBIASE HISTORY" Note:IGBO CU-NT THE WORLD IS READING OUR POSTS, THEY CAN SEE WHOSE INFORMED BETWEEN ME AND ALL OF U. I CAN TAKE U ALL, AS LONG AS I KNW AM DEALING WITH 419ERS, LIARS, EMPTY VESSELS.

^^^^^^Igbo PUNA-NIS we have seen AAs who trace their roots to MOZAMBIQUE.
SE AFRICAN SLAVES WERE SENT MORE IN NORTHERN PARTS OF US COLONIES, NY,MARYLAND,BOSTON etc..

@Frances
FOR NOW U FAILED TO BRING INFO, OTHER THAN BRINGIN IMMOTIONAL CR@P. Defending your USELESS KIN.

@Bigfrances
CLUES OLD CU-NT the rest u will find out on ur own.

MOZAMBIQUEN SLAVES AND MADAGASCAR SLAVES IN NORTHERN COLONIES IN US (NY,NJ,BOSTON ETC..).

Northern Profits from Slavery - Slavery in the North
www.slavenorth.com/profits.htm‎
Whether it was officially encouraged, as in New York and New Jersey, or not, as ... and by 1676 the Massachusetts ships were going to Madagascar for slaves.

kwame tut: @Crayola1
EVERYONE KNOWS UR A PURE NIGERIAN IGBO, SO SAVE UR TIME STOP PRETENDING TO BE "AFRO AMERICA".
Dude we have seen your posts ABOUT ENUGU AND OTHER IGBO CRAP ON NAIRALAND. SO PLS STOP FOOLING AROUND AND THINKING UR PLAYING US.

I WON'T MIND BRING "Crayola1 posts from other threads, you TRIBALIST IGBO CUNT".

He he heh Im Afro American thats a 419ER FOR U. Igbos

Why do I need to pretend that I'm AA? Are they handing out points for being AA?

You are not even AA or Nigerian, you are South African, which is as far as you can get from West or Central Africa.

kwame tut: @Crayola1
IGBO 419ER BUSTED!!!!!!!!

The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland ... - Nairaland
www.nairaland.com/745651/marvelous-culture-igbos-igboland/9‎
Apr 24, 2013 - To explain the cultural logic and symbolism of “Igbo kwenu” may not be as .... I can assuredly tell you that the Nsukka people are very proud Igbo people. ..... Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Crayola1: .

Yes I made the thread? Your point? Are you claiming I made a post saying this

To explain the cultural logic and symbolism of “Igbo kwenu” may not be as .... I can assuredly tell you that the Nsukka people are very proud Igbo people

You might be a bigger 419er than me, because I never said anything like that. All my posts came from online sources

If that's your big reveal I guess Kalis must be Fulani, Afar, and God knows what else using such simple logic.

Crayola1: Its people like Kwame Tut that make me question if the black man is truly cursed. Who argues about being more worthy of being a slave, only an ignorant nig.ge.r.

Furthermore your logic is so retarded one has to wonder if its on purpose or shear stupidity on your part. In one breath you claim Igbo slaves were useless, but at the same time claim that they were only good for field work. If I were a plantation owner why would I put "useless" slaves in the field? Plantation owners were wealthy, but I highly doubt they were in the habit of pissing money down the drain on non performers.

Igbo slaves were only preferred in Virginia and parts of the Carolinas (smalls parts of Georgia as well). For mainly two reasons, they were considered to not have a body type that would put up with field work and they were suicidal. The mass drowning of slaves in Georgia, were primarily slaves of Igbo extraction. So more often then not they did house work. But even then, there was no gurantee Igbo slaves would act right, the murder of President Madison's grandfather was attributed to his slaves who were Igbo extraction.

Quite a few slave sell notices and runaways list Igbo persons.

And on and on and on...

African Americans like myself are a mix of every damn thing but its not even as cut and dry as you are portraying it. And dude aren't you from South Africa, which has a host of things so wrong. Lets stick to the facts because no one is in any place to judge

If you are wondering why I'm not posting links, its because I detest lazy learners so take this time to familiarize yourself with google

@Bold...On a second thought as I got home yesterday I wondered if this guy was worth my time and efforts? I didn't deem him worth my efforts and decided to drop one more source of mine to see his reaction and he responded exactly as I expected.

@Kwame...you keep belittling the Igbo presence in the slave trade by parading fake statistics and charts.
You belittle the Igbo presence yet I'm sure you are not aware of a place called 'Ibo's Landing' in the state of Georgia, US and the exemplary feat Igbos carried out there.
http://themoonlitroad.com/coastal-georgia-slavery-ibo-landing/

You belittle the presence of Igbo people yet a full Igbo village was erected in US to honor the ubiquitous presence of Igbo people in the United states. This was a project whose idea was birthed and executed by African Americans themselves in conjunction with the Museum of America with the help of Igbo Americans living in the US. Funny enough you don't get to hear of African Americans being so interested in building Kongo/Akan/Senegambian villages in honour of those people as you'd want to force on us. Why is that?

You belittle the Igbo presence yet Wikipedia found it worthy to write several comprehensive threads on African Americans and their Igbo ancestry. Surely they wouldn't have deemed it worthy to waste time and efforts writing that if the Igbo presence wasn't too important to care about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_American

With the way you configure up your statistics and with all the make-believe you make us believe here one would not expect any African American to have Igbo ancestry. Yet African Americans keep taking the DNA test and many of them have results pointing to full/partial Igbo ancestry. Ever heard of DNA testing before? I guess you haven't. Several of these AAs have made journeys back to Igboland, their native land. Of course you won't believe that. Forest Whitaker, Bishop TD Jakes, Edward Roye(3rd Liberian President), Atlanta mayor Kaseem Reed, Wesley Snipes, Blair Underwood, Mobb Deep, and so many others are such examples. These are prominent African Americans. Your eyes have been too blackened to see the light. DNA testing results have proven that your statistics are false and banal.

You call Igbo people lazy yet in I945, Igbo slaves in Brazil rebelled against the white slave masters and formed a republic of their own, The Ibo Republic of Palmeres' which dictated the rules and regulations of the plantation trade and reigned for over half a century. This is the very same brazil you claimed Igbos were minute in number when records show that the Igbo/Ibibio group came third after Kongo and Yoruba.

You say the Igbo people had nothing to contribute when Jamaican Patois is made of several Igbo words such as unu(you plural), sooso(only), eewo(exclamation), Di(In the state of), 'Red Ibo/bone' etc. 'Unu' is an Igbo word present and still found in the patois of many carribean nations in central america. Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Jamaica, St. Kittles, etc all use the Igbo 'unu' in their patois. The English word 'Okra' was derived from the Igbo word, 'Okwuru' because Okra is a staple Igbo food. Several Black English words such as 'Ama'(I will) was derived from Igbo 'Ama' which means the same thing in Igbo.

You claim Igbo people left no legacy behind when the Jamaican people practise a form of sorcery called 'Obia/Obeah' derived from Igbo 'Dibia' which combines Igbo, Akan and Congolese practices.

You claim Igbos were useless yet blacks of Igbo ancestry were known to have orchestrated the famous Haitian rebellion that led to the independence of Haiti in the 19th century. Igbos were popular in Haiti that a phrase still exists in the Haiti language which is 'Ibo pend cora yo' meaning 'Igbos hang themselves'. During the start of the biafran war in 1967, Haiti was the first country to recognize Biafra as a country in brotherly solidarity to their relatives across the Atlantic in their struggle for independence. A type of native haitian song called 'Ibo Lele' has been dedicated specially to the Igbo people by Haitians in cognizance of their Igbo ancestors.

Igbo people were favoured by the British and that is why you have them taken more to British colonies or current English speaking nations in the Caribbean and Americas such as US, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, West Indies etc.

A population census carried out in 1813 in Trinidad and tobago showed Igbo people to be dominating other ethnicities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Trinidadian_and_Tobagonian

You should know one thing, I don't engage myself in name callings or negativities. Neither do I peddle myself with fake facts and charts. I engage in intelligent discourse. Its clear you aren't capable of holding an intelligent discourse without the use of profanity. Your fact peddling still doesn't change anything or the views held by millions of african americans and other people who believe alike. Of course I expect a backlash of name callings from you.

You should also know that your fake charts, statistics did not change anything or impress me at all. You did not change my view neither can you force them me or anyone.

Someone described your reasoning as reta.rd.ed and I think I agree. Little wonder no other person is arguing with you. Well, this will be my last post to you.

But here are some posts you have actually made about Nigerians

70 Nigeria 20,130 2010[3]Over 120m live in the DARK. Am not suprised of ur Dumbness.
https://www.nairaland.com/1275087/south-africa-even-worse-than/6#17711339

@naaigerians
WE'RE WAITING FOR "BANANAS ISLAND OOOO". Bring that SLUM here oo.

OUR STORY CONTINUES THE JOURNEY IS TAKING US FROM DURBAN NORTH COAST TO ALEXANDER BAY NEAR NAMIBIA BORDER VIA CAPE TOWN. Showing the BEAUTY OF OUR COASTAL TOWNS AND CITIES. Then return and show u Durban north coast town like Richards Bay to La Lucia and Kosi Bay S. Mozambique border. grin grin

HANG IN THERE naaigerian.
https://www.nairaland.com/1275087/south-africa-even-worse-than/10#17882387

@Chimamanda
SOUTH AFRICA IS TARGETING 2030, WE HAVE MET OUR MILLENIUM GOALS WHILE NIGERIA IS DOWN THERE WITH THE LIKES OF somalia.
https://www.nairaland.com/1225842/nigerias-economy-set-overtake-south-africas/7#16706735

@AugustAgain
SOUTH AFRICANS ARE LEADING THE WORLD TO MARS AND OTHER PLANETS. While Nigerians are flying KITES. grin grin grin grin grin grin

I KNOW ITS GOING TO BE PAINFUL FOR JEALOUS NIGERIANS WHEN THEY HEAR SIYAS NAME AND PROF VAN ZYL ON MARS PROJECT.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/350#16309290

@GraigB

Its not NAAI---GERIA MY BROER IS "NIHELLIA". ITS A SHITHOLE WHERE MUDS FIGHT OVER WHO FURTS LOUDER.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/349#16308177

Ha ha Nigerians invite CHINESE to build their infrustructure. cool cool cool cool cool cool cool 8
Cant wait to see EKO ATLANTIC BUILDINGS FALLING. One mall in Ghana built by Chinese COLLUPSED. grin grin grin

Racist chingrongs hot in west africa.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/340#16257485

Nigerian cities OVERCROWDED SHITHOLES.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/340#16257344

@NaijaPikidi
Im not a soldier but can tell from what I see here that NIGERIA IS A BIG VILLAGE compared to SA and north African states. YA'LL ARE INFERIOR AND ALWAYS BE.

[b]Other than big population size theres nothing to talk in NIHELLIA.

I was expecting to see EGYPT, ALGERIA,ETHIOPIA etc..on this site but unfortunately they rnt here. I have see them on skyscrapercity meaning Nairaland is a TRUE FOOLS PARADISE. ;[/b]D grin grin grin grin grin grin

THIS IS SITE IS LIKA A GOSSIP SITE. Where Nigerians gossip about other AFRICAN countries. HOPE WE PICK A WAR WITH NIGERIA SOON THAN LATER. AM SURE THAT WILL SETTLE THE SCORE WITH SOME OF U.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/351#16314432

@GriagB
Bro Bleep we're cursed how can MONKEYS like these claim to be GIANTS of Africahuh?NORTH AFRICANS CAN MAKE NOISE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW NOT NIGERIANS.

I read an article showing that POVERTY WILL STILL BE PARTNERS WITH NIGERIA UNTIL 2050-ONWARDS. YES THEYR POVERTY AGENTS.

How will Nigeria provide power,clean water,housing,health to 400million people in 2050 if theyr FAILING NOW.

NOTE MOST OF THEIR SICK PEOPLE COME TO SOUTH AFRICA. WHILE THEIR SINGERS RECORD AND SHOOT VIDEOS HERE, SHOWING IN THEIR VIDEOS S.A. GIRLS INSTEAD OF UGLY MANLY NIHELLIAN GIRLS.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/355#16333691

@Sheyie07
Tell that to your STINKING PITCH BLACK SUB HUMAN APE U CALL MOTHER.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/355#16333325

Oh wait Mr. Afrocentric is a hypocrite, who would have guessed?

@GraigB
NOTE: LAGOS WAS FOUNDED BY PORTUGESE SLAVERS AND WAS IN AN AREA FORMERLY KNOWN AS "SLAVE COAST". Where Sheyi forefathers SOLD OTHER AFRICANS, TODAY THEY HAVE BALLS TO TALK ABOUT "SLAVES". SAME CAN BE SAID WITH PORT HARCOURT THAT NAME SAYS IT ALL, THAT TOWN WAS BUILT BY FORMER COLONISERS BRITAIN HENCE YOU'LL SEE WHITE BRITS BELOW COMING TO CLEAN WHAT THEIR FOREFATHERS BUILT. ITS A MASS BELOW.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/392#16428589

@GraigB
ha ha THEYR USED TO LIVING IN THE DARK. JUST IMAGINE PITCH BLACK PEOPLE WALKING IN THE DARK AT NIGHT
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/382#16395298

I can post more

kwame tut: @Akin
How are u my Yoruba friend

Is he really your Yoruba friend last time I checked friends don't talk about friend's homes like this:

@ebankole
YORUBALAND
IBADAN, THIS HELL HOLE IS NOWHERE SOUTH AFRICAS, ALGERIA,EGYPTS,TUNISIA LEAGUE.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/394#16434362

THEIR VILLAGE LAGOS, ha ha ha look at those people carrying WOOD.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/433#16559265

Even UNILAG cannot escape your wrath

LOOK AT YOUR DIRTY STINKING TOP universities. Look at em BITCHES fighting over a DIRTY MONKEY.
https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/440#16580861

Jesus, Afrocentric indeed

kwame tut: @Kails
Page 4 shows it all, there were FEW IGBOS AMON SLAVE POPULATION IN THE END=OVERALL.

Chris Tucker,Condolezza Rice,Samuel L Jackson,Dr Ben Carson and many AAS are proud of their BANTU ROOTS.

https://www.nairaland.com/646049/nigerian-igbo-african-american/4

Wait did you think you could scam folks and not answer for it Tell me is that chart for overall populations in the Americas or just one part of the Americas? Oh wait I'll answer that for you:

A noted New Orleans writer and historian, Dr. Hall has written four books, and developed and edited Databases for the Study of Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy, 1699 - 1860(2000), from which this search engine is built.

Name of the website:

http://www.ibiblio.org/

Website's title and I quote: Afro-Louisiana History and Genealogy, 1699 - 1860

Correct me if I'm wrong, but ever since I was a little Child I was taught that Louisiana was a state in the United States of America. A state that is not representative of all 49 states in the US of A.

Why did you conveniently forget to mention that your chart was based on population data for Louisiana? Slipped your mind?

Keep it up Crayola. Your exposition mission shows the world how retar.ded his reasoning is.

My problem is that he's being dishonest even when his own facts are not rolling in his favor:

Orleans Parish is limited to New Orleans which is limited to Louisiana, how can you miss that? Its on the damn graph at the bottom. Everyone who took basic history knows Congolese and Angolans were the bulk of slaves in Louisiana, there is a place called Congo square in NO for Godsakes, who denying that

kwame tut: @BigFrances,Crayola1,Radiollo

THATS HAITI DREAMERS ALL REGIONS.

IN HAITI FRENCH SLAVERS PREFERED "BIGHT O BENIN SLAVES" AND ENDED UP SENDING MORE ANGOLA-CONGO SLAVES.

Sweet Jesus you are dum.b? How can they prefer Bight of Benin slaves, and end up sending more Angola Congo Slaves? Angola and Congo are now in West Africa. Either clarify your point, or stop talking nonsense that can be debunked with mess.ing google maps



Notice the countries that surround the Bight of Benin, Nigeria, Benin, Togo, and Ghana. Notice who is not there Angola and the Congo, crazy I know

Furthermore, why wont you show links to what you have posted? You just post charts and I guess we must assume they are for the entire America's when most are for Louisiana Yes I noticed.

Here is this little excerpt from a guy who is well known if not the top authority on African American ancestry at least:

Dr. Henry Louis Gates Jr. and his partner Kyle Hurst, NEHGS Researcher.

Have you heard of him?

All that being said, the results you received for DNA testing are not surprising. In the case of the Ibo (also known as Igbo), we know through the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database that about 16 percent of our ancestors who arrived in the U.S. were shipped from the Bight of Biafra, which is Igboland. So a significant number of African Americans, such as Bishop T.D. Jakes, who was a guest in our PBS series, African American Lives, descended from the Igbo, as he guessed when I asked him before revealing the results to him on camera. http://www.theroot.com/views/how-do-i-research-my-fulani-roots

I bolded it for your reading pleasure

Messrs James Rogers & Co. Jamaica, 8 Sept. 1790
Gentlemen I have the pleasure to enclose your Sales of one hundred & forty one Slaves, received from Capt Goodrich of the Sarah, and although the Slaves are not of the Country preferred here, which are eboes, from Bonny, I hope You will acknowledge the Average to exceed any made in this part of the Island. I also enclose my acct" Currt with bills, on Mr. Jacks, for the Balance as trustee V Eighteen months Sight, although your letter of 6 April fixes the Bills to be at 12, 18 & 24 mo"s S"t, hope you will allow Mr. Jacks acceptances to draw (?) that time, the House of Messrs Parkinson & Barrett do not draw at less than 15, 21 & 27 mos - [b]I Shall be happy if Capt Goodrich is Sent for a Cargo of real Eboes1, to Consist of Young people. [/b]I think if he arrives here by the first of May I Could turn them to good account, I am with Respect,
Gentlemen
http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Samples2/Fowler1790.htm

More?

Read this whole link:
http://books.google.com/books?id=nSOyBs14tHEC&pg=PA84&dq=igbo+slaves+in+america&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FhgqUvbfAuPE4AOkiICQDQ&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=igbo%20slaves%20in%20america&f=false

You are welcome dear

@Crayola...keep up the good job brother. You're wonderful. All along its my mobile I've been using. Browsing with a mobile does have its limitations.

bigfrancis21:

@Bold...On a second thought as I got home yesterday I wondered if this guy was worth my time and efforts? I didn't deem him worth my efforts and decided to drop one more source of mine to see his reaction and he responded exactly as I expected.

@Kwame...you keep belittling the Igbo presence in the slave trade by parading fake statistics and charts.
You belittle the Igbo presence yet I'm sure you are not aware of a place called 'Ibo's Landing' in the state of Georgia, US and the exemplary feat Igbos carried out there.
http://themoonlitroad.com/coastal-georgia-slavery-ibo-landing/

You belittle the presence of Igbo people yet a full Igbo village was erected in US to honor the ubiquitous presence of Igbo people in the United states. This was a project whose idea was birthed and executed by African Americans themselves in conjunction with the Museum of America with the help of Igbo Americans living in the US. Funny enough you don't get to hear of African Americans being so interested in building Kongo/Akan/Senegambian villages in honour of those people as you'd want to force on us. Why is that?

You belittle the Igbo presence yet Wikipedia found it worthy to write several comprehensive threads on African Americans and their Igbo ancestry. Surely they wouldn't have deemed it worthy to waste time and efforts writing that if the Igbo presence wasn't too important to care about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_American

With the way you configure up your statistics and with all the make-believe you make us believe here one would not expect any African American to have Igbo ancestry. Yet African Americans keep taking the DNA test and many of them have results pointing to full/partial Igbo ancestry. Ever heard of DNA testing before? I guess you haven't. Several of these AAs have made journeys back to Igboland, their native land. Of course you won't believe that. Forest Whitaker, Bishop TD Jakes, Edward Roye(3rd Liberian President), Atlanta mayor Kaseem Reed, Wesley Snipes, Blair Underwood, Mobb Deep, and so many others are such examples. These are prominent African Americans. Your eyes have been too blackened to see the light. DNA testing results have proven that your statistics are false and banal.

You call Igbo people lazy yet in I945, Igbo slaves in Brazil rebelled against the white slave masters and formed a republic of their own, The Ibo Republic of Palmeres' which dictated the rules and regulations of the plantation trade and reigned for over half a century. This is the very same brazil you claimed Igbos were minute in number when records show that the Igbo/Ibibio group came third after Kongo and Yoruba.

You say the Igbo people had nothing to contribute when Jamaican Patois is made of several Igbo words such as unu(you plural), sooso(only), eewo(exclamation), Di(In the state of), 'Red Ibo/bone' etc. 'Unu' is an Igbo word present and still found in the patois of many carribean nations in central america. Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, Jamaica, St. Kittles, etc all use the Igbo 'unu' in their patois. The English word 'Okra' was derived from the Igbo word, 'Okwuru' because Okra is a staple Igbo food. Several Black English words such as 'Ama'(I will) was derived from Igbo 'Ama' which means the same thing in Igbo.

You claim Igbo people left no legacy behind when the Jamaican people practise a form of sorcery called 'Obia/Obeah' derived from Igbo 'Dibia' which combines Igbo, Akan and Congolese practices.

You claim Igbos were useless yet blacks of Igbo ancestry were known to have orchestrated the famous Haitian rebellion that led to the independence of Haiti in the 19th century. Igbos were popular in Haiti that a phrase still exists in the Haiti language which is 'Ibo pend cora yo' meaning 'Igbos hang themselves'. During the start of the biafran war in 1967, Haiti was the first country to recognize Biafra as a country in brotherly solidarity to their relatives across the Atlantic in their struggle for independence. A type of native haitian song called 'Ibo Lele' has been dedicated specially to the Igbo people by Haitians in cognizance of their Igbo ancestors.

Igbo people were favoured by the British and that is why you have them taken more to British colonies or current English speaking nations in the Caribbean and Americas such as US, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, Barbados, West Indies etc.

A population census carried out in 1813 in Trinidad and tobago showed Igbo people to be dominating other ethnicities.

You should know one thing, I don't engage myself in name callings or negativities. Neither do I peddle myself with fake facts and charts. I engage in intelligent discourse. Its clear you aren't capable of holding an intelligent discourse without the use of profanity. Your fact peddling still doesn't change anything or the views held by millions of african americans and other people who believe alike. Of course I expect a backlash of name callings from you.

You should also know that your fake charts, statistics did not change anything or impress me at all. You did not change my view neither can you force them me or anyone.

Someone described your reasoning as reta.rd.ed and I agree. Little wonder no other person is arguing with you. Well, this will be my last post to you.

A very Good post Bigfrancis21 I admit I enjoyed reading it.

Though I must let you know that the word OBEAH is more strongly linked with the AKAN word OBAYIFO, meaning sorcery/witch

But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA

Still LMAO at BigFool saying Diop was Indian.

kwame tut: Even SOUTH EAST AFRICANS MOZAMBIQUENS,TANZANIANS SENT SLAVES.
INFO THAT WAS UNKOWN BY IGBO FOOLS. STICK WITH US WE WILL TEACH U "UNBIASE HISTORY" Note:IGBO CU-NT THE WORLD IS READING OUR POSTS, THEY CAN SEE WHOSE INFORMED BETWEEN ME AND ALL OF U. I CAN TAKE U ALL, AS LONG AS I KNW AM DEALING WITH 419ERS, LIARS, EMPTY VESSELS.

You might have a point if you actually posted the charts for West Africa, but then you couldn't lie half as well

How do we compare, by taking your word? Even though you have been proven to be a two faced liar?

Everyone knows that Mozambique and that area were the last places to export slaves as the slave trade winded down in other parts of Africa. Welcome to intro to Africana studies first day of class

Jayvarley:


A very Good post Bigfrancis21 I admit I enjoyed reading it.

Though I must let you know that the word OBEAH is more strongly linked with the AKAN word OBAYIFO, meaning sorcery/witch

But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA

Thanks pal. Wasn't expecting that from you given what happened two days ago.

As for the Obeah part, I didn't make that up. I was only going by research sources, as you can see below:

In parts of the Caribbean where Obeah existed, slaves were taken from a variety of African nations with differing spiritual practices and religions. It is
from these arrivals and their spiritualisms that
Obeah originates.The theory of origin that is most accepted and is supported by the W. E. B. Du Bois institute database[4] traces obeah to the dibia or obia (Igbo: doctoring)[5] traditions of the Igbo
people.[6][7] Specialists in Obia (also spelled Obea)
were known as Ndi Obia (Igbo: Obia people) and
practised the same activities as the obeah men and
women of the Caribbean like predicting the future
and manufacturing charms.[1][8] Among the Igbo
there were oracles known as ọbiạ which were said to be able to talk.[9] Parts of the Caribbean where
Obeah was most active imported a large number of its slaves from the Igbo dominated Bight of Biafra.[4] In another theory, the Efik language is the root of obeah where the word obeah comes from the Efik ubio meaning 'a bad omen'.[10] The last theory of the origin of Obeah lies with the Ashanti who called their priests (or Obayifoɔ) practices Obayie(Akan: witchcraft).[11] There is also evidence of Akan names among Obeah men of the Caribbean in the 17th and 18th centuries.[4]The Akan origin of Obeah has been criticised by several writers with an Igbo origin thought to be more likely.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obeah

Mrs.Chima:
Still LMAO at BigFool saying Diop was Indian.

Grow up ma'am. For once in your life, think hard and contribute something intellectual rather than sissying.

Crayola1:

You might have a point if you actually posted the charts for West Africa, but then you couldn't lie half as well

How do we compare, by taking your word? Even though you have been proven to be a two faced liar?

Everyone knows that Mozambique and that area were the last places to export slaves as the slave trade winded down in other parts of Africa. Welcome to intro to Africana studies first day of class

Who is "everyone"?

Um no. central and south east africa were the FIRST areas where slaves were exported. The first west africans exported were sahelians (fulanis to be exact) which scholars could not understand seeing as how during the saharan slave trade they were notorious for being the slave raiders themselves.

West africans came in large numbers later when the british joined simply because they both feared and grew tired of the central africans who were far too rebellious.

In fact at one point getting slaves from those areas became so unfavored, it became outlawed. Later the same would be true for the akan.

[even then, some slaves from central africa were still smuggled from the "outlawed" areas and the yoruba would make a huge arrival en mass during the late 1700s/early 1800s which is why their influence in santeria is huge (along with the bantu).

Second since when is posting some words proof that the igbos were the majority? Yoruba also influenced us. Kongo ppls also influenced us. Sahelian ppl also influenced us....and I can show how those others did. Not only did they influence us languistically speaking but also in terms of song, dance and culturally but again, what does that prove other than the fact that we are mutts?

What does "unu" which btwn is NOT said in trinidad, st kitts, or bardados have to do with anything much less obeah?

Jamaican words such as DUPPY, TALLAWAH, OBRUNI (sp?), ABENG Etc are akan (Ghanaian) words...does that make us ONLY AKAN?

SHANGO, LABALABA and a few others (i dont feel like making a long list) came from the YORUBA, DOES THAT MAKE US ONLY YORUBA?

NDINGI, KUMINA, and a few others came from the bantu dialects, DOES THAT ONLY MAKE US BANTU?

NYAMI, FI, JOOK etc came from FULBE are we ONLY FULANI?

ETC ETC...THE ANSWER IS NO AND NOOOOOO.

Posting examples of a ppls influence means absolutely nothing. Not one person said igbos contributed nothing at all. What is said is that genetically we are not mostly "igbo", that there was a high igbo mortality rate, and that we are mixed ppls.

Thats the fact of the matter.

Jayvarley: But without a doubt, the IGBO in my opinion had the STRONGEST INFLUENCE on the DIASPORA

Please lol.
They are far from having the "strongest" influence.

And when,it comes to brazil I am very apprehensive about claiming territories as being "igbo" seeing as how these are the same ppl who went around claiming Ibotirama in Bahia, Brazil was an Igbo founded town simply because the word IBO is in there lol (and they STILL try to pass it off as fact) when IN FACT it was the native indian brazilians who not only founded the town but gave it that name lol.

Also I find it a bit peculiar how most of these Igbo "facts" are on igbo centric blogs/sites.

But anyway all african groups sent to the new world as slaves influenced us equally. Thats the bottom line.

*Kails*:


Please lol.
They are far from having the "strongest" influence.

Well I guess Fulani is then.

*Kails*:


Who is "everyone"?

Um no. central and south east africa were the FIRST areas where slaves were exported. The first west africans exported were sahelians (fulanis to be exact) which scholars could not understand seeing as how during the saharan slave trade they were notorious for being the slave raiders themselves.

Can you quote any sources that verify this your claim? I guess your ancestry points to fulani because I've noticed that while you try so hard to maintain a 'balanced view' in slave trade issue, you indirectly favour or promote the Fulani first. Its my first time of ever hearing Fulani were the earliest group to be sent when the early slave ships landed on the shores of west africa when fulani land isn't nowhere close to the atlantic ocean. Do you even know where Fulani land is?

Moreover that a group were taken first doesn't mean they were taken in substantial numbers. Other groups may have certainly overtaken them later on, which is clearly the case here from slave records.

@Bold...south east africa? Do you know where south east africa is? Kails,
do you just make up facts just for making up sake? Well, you can as well claim that South Africa was involved in the slave trade.

West africans came in large numbers later when the british joined simply because they both feared and grew tired of the central africans who were far too rebellious.

@Bold...the tribe most popularly known to be rebellious was the Igbo tribe, and from geography Igbo people are located in West Africa not central africa. Where did you get that one from? Do you choose to ignore facts or make up facts at your own convenience?

In fact at one point getting slaves from those areas became so unfavored, it became outlawed. Later the same would be true for the akan.

[even then, some slaves from central africa were still smuggled from the "outlawed" areas and the yoruba would make a huge arrival en mass during the late 1700s/early 1800s which is why their influence in santeria is huge (along with the bantu).

@Bold...this is the only part where I agree with you Kails.

Second since when is posting some words proof that the igbos were the majority? Yoruba also influenced us. Kongo ppls also influenced us. Sahelian ppl also influenced us....and I can show how those others did. Not only did they influence us languistically speaking but also in terms of song, dance and culturally but again, what does that prove other than the fact that we are mutts?

Ma'am, by saying 'us', he was referring to African Americans and not the whole of Northern and Southern America. What is the topic of this thread? 'Nigerian(Igbo) and African American'. Or am I blind?

He may not be far from the truth given the pervasive Igbo landmarks still present in the US till today. Ibo's landing, for example. I don't see any other place in the US being named after an african tribe. What of the presence of the Igbo/Ibibio Nsibidid writings still present on grave stones of former slave grounds in the US? What of the fact that a few AAs still bear 'Ibo' as surname just as many Igbo people of Nigeria bear 'Igbo' as surname? What about those that bear Armaka or Chiagosie, etc? Igbo's don't have a strong influence yet a full Igbo village was erected in US in memory of Igbo ancestors? Why don't we have Akan, Senegambia or even Fulani villages erected as well?

If you don't believe his statement, then come up with counter evidence of another african tribe's stronger influence on AAs. Of course, I don't use the Yoruba Santeria being practised in Louisiana as an example since it was only imported recently from central africa and was never a legacy left behind in US by yoruba ancestors.

What does "unu" which btwn is NOT said in trinidad, st kitts, or bardados have to do with anything much less obeah?
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Do you even bother to look facts up before you begin to type out of ignorance? You only choose what you want to believe? Who says 'Unu' or a derivative of it isn't found in Trinidadian creole, Barbadian(Bajan) creole or Bahamian creole?

In the creole of the Island of Barbados, the word for you (plural) is wuna, similar to
Jamaican unu/una or Bahamian yina. Unlike
Standard English, Bajan tends towards using a zero
copula.

Ethnologue identifies 20 Bajan words of African origin:
1) wunna You all from the Igbo word unu, which means You (plural).
2) obeah
From Igbo Obia, 'doctoring, mysticism, or oracle'.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajan_Creole

At this point of course you'd have us believe that 'wuna' or 'yina' aren't exactly 'una' yet Santeria isn't exactly Ifa yet you'd gladly believe it is a derivative of the Yoruba religion.

Jamaican words such as DUPPY, TALLAWAH, OBRUNI(sp?), ABENG Etc are akan (Ghanaian) words...does that make us ONLY AKAN?

SHANGO, LABALABA and a few others (i dont feel like making a long list) came from the YORUBA, DOES THAT MAKE US ONLY YORUBA?

When did Labalaba become a yoruba word?

NDINGI, KUMINA, and a few others came from the bantu dialects, DOES THAT ONLY MAKE US BANTU?

NYAMI, FI, JOOK etc came from FULBE are we ONLY FULANI?

ETC ETC...THE ANSWER IS NO AND NOOOOOO.

Posting examples of a ppls influence means absolutely nothing. Not one person said igbos contributed nothing at all. What is said is that genetically we are not mostly "igbo", that there was a high igbo mortality rate, and that we are mixed ppls.

Thats the fact of the matter.

@Bold...nobody ever said that. I've corrected you severally yet you keep carrying the misconception around. However, the Igbo people did wield their own influence just as the Yoruba and Akan peoples also did. On any Igbo-Caribbean-AA thread, we strive to exclusively bring forward the Igbo contribution. That in no way means that we dominated. Other threads on Akan-Caribbean or Kongo-Caribbean threads could as well be started. You could start of a Fulani-Caribbean thread yourself. If you go to Yoruba/Caribbean threads you see Yoruba influence mostly being discussed. Why is then different in the Igbo case? Yet, when the Igbo influence is being discussed people like you and Kwame try to belittle it?

I find your write-ups to be particularly impartial and less credible. For one thing, you don't verify facts before jumping into conclusions and for another thing you keep making up false facts(the case of south eastern africa for example) to fuel your beliefs.

The Usage of 'Unu' is widely spread in the Caribbean and in Sierra Leone.

1)Usage of 'Unu' in Belizean Creole(Krio)

Belize Kriol is derived mainly from English. Its
substrate languages are the Native American
language Miskito, and the various West African and
Bantu languages which were brought into the
country by slaves. These include Akan, Efik, Ewe,
Fula, Ga, Hausa, Igbo, Kikongo and Wolof.[5]

Example:
unu hafu ker sontiŋ fu deŋ ɡarifuna fi biit deŋ miuzik/ ('you (plural) have to contribute something to the Garifuna People for playing their music')[12]

The pronominal system [edit source]

The pronominal system of Standard English has a
four-way distinction of person, number, gender and
case. Some varieties of Kriol do not have the gender
or case distinction, though most do; but it does
distinguish between the second person singular and
plural (you).[7]
I = /ai/ (occasionally mii in negations)
me = /mii/ (exception is Ai, as in, "Mek ai tel yu"
my, my, mine (possessive) = /mi~mai~mainz/
you, you = /ju/
your, yours = ju~jurs
he, him = /hi/ (pronounced /i/ in the basilect
varieties)
she, her = /ʃi/ (pronounced /i/. No gender distinction
in basilect varieties)
him, her = /a/ (no gender distinction in basilect
varieties)
him = /hi/
her = /ʃi/
we, us = wi~wii
us (3 or more)= /alawii/
our, ours = /fuwii; wai ; wainz/
you (plural) = /unu; alaju/
they, them = /den; dem/)
those = /dende/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belizean_Creole

2) Usage of 'Unno' in St. Kittles Creole.

Example sentences [edit source]
1)Ahwee a go dung by e fiel by d house go pik nuts. -
We are going down to the field by the house to pick
peanuts.
2) Is dey dem pikni does wash dem skin. - There is
where the children bathe (their skin).
3) Unno kno who e tis u a play wit u kno. - You do not know with whom you are messing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Kitts_Creole

3) The Usage of 'Wuna' in Barbados Creole.

In the creole of the Island of Barbados, the word for you (plural) is wuna, similar to Jamaican unu/una or Bahamian yina. Unlike Standard English, Bajan tends towards using a zero copula.

Ethnologue identifies 20 Bajan words of African
origin:
1) wunna You all from the Igbo word unu,
which means You (plural).
2) obeah
From Igbo Obia, 'doctoring, mysticism, or oracle'.
[/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajan_Creole

4) Usage of 'Unu' in Sierra Leonean Creole

Pronouns

There is no distinction between masculine and
feminine in any person and unlike Standard English
there is a 2nd person plural form.
ah, mi, mi I, me, my
yu, yu, yu you, you, your
i, im, in he, him, his, she, her, her
wi, wi, wi we, us, our
una, una, unu you, you, your (plural)
den, dem, den they, them, theirs

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krio_language

Mrs.Chima:
Still LMAO at BigFool saying Diop was Indian.

i thought u told me u are from somewhere in northern europe and south asia, hmm! Ma'am u can lie ooh

Mrs.Chima:
Still LMAO at BigFool saying Diop was Indian.

what's diop? Animal,place or thing?

kwame tut: ^^^^^^Igbo PUNA-NIS we have seen AAs who trace their roots to MOZAMBIQUE.
SE AFRICAN SLAVES WERE SENT MORE IN NORTHERN PARTS OF US COLONIES, NY,MARYLAND,BOSTON etc..

pig u gotta chilex a lil bit when u are dealing with some of mah country men from the eastern side (even though i'm not igbo and thank God i'm not igbo) .

But watch the way u post in here grab,nigga? (kwame) y'all S.a got funny weird names thou,what's kwame?