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Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Nadanbata: 4:28am On Apr 20, 2011 |
Beaf: Who will implent and run the Southern system though? Is it not the same ELITES that control tings now? or will there be some miracle JUJU that produces new leaders? Northern elite and Southern elite are both corrupt that conspire to use the ethnic divide to keep the status quo. When you blame the Hausawa you play into they hands just like almajari attacking Christians does. For the common folk they dont understand this because the elites have kept them backward. But us educated ones should see the game dey play. On the bolded. I heard there was a million + on the streets and they attacked EMIRS/PDP infrastucture it wasnt on the order of them PDP elites. lol. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Beaf: 4:41am On Apr 20, 2011 |
Nadanbata: Exactly, we both have a very different interpretation of who the elites are. It is funny that Sambo's house was burnt down, same as Na'aba and a few other very good peoples houses; whereas IBB's house is still standing, Atiku's house is still standing, so are Ciroma's, Kaita's, Tanimu Yakubu's, Abba Ruma's, numerous ex-generals houses etc These are the people who have ra'ped the country for 38 years. PDP is not the same as the Northern elite, cabals and hegemonists that have held the whole country to ransome and impoverished the North. The elite control the almajiri's and it shows in the way they targetted the wrong peoples houses, burnt churches, killed Christians and Southerners. If you, an educated Northerner thinks the almajiri's targetted their oppressors, then there is a lot of confusion in the Northern mind as to who the real enemy is. Please take another look at the situation, but this time, pretend to be a Southerner. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Nadanbata: 4:47am On Apr 20, 2011 |
Beaf: Come on bros. lols. Your saying ATIKU + IBB sanctioned the protest/riots rather than it being spontaneous ? And you are saying PDP is not the arm via wish the elite control things ? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Onlytruth(m): 4:58am On Apr 20, 2011 |
I like this Gadogado guy. He is honest and cuts to the chase. His plan is very acceptable to me. I don't think this is about punishing any section of the country. It is about finding peace and stability. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by dayokanu(m): 6:25am On Apr 20, 2011 |
I dey laff o |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by vicenzo(m): 8:48am On Apr 20, 2011 |
jason123: ewu,i didnt mention biafra in my post,what is new?A yorubaman posing as a nigerdeltan(itshekiri) defending an aboki posing as a nigerdeltan,the saying that birds of the same feather flocks together never made more sense. Dude you are a joke,with 100 monikers,who do you think you are deceiving. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by gadogado(m): 8:52am On Apr 20, 2011 |
@beaf Not so sure southern Kaduna people who mostly speak hausa would like to join the south as a country, we'd have to ask them, if they do, then you can have them, but we can dredge the river niger north west of lokoja. Either way, I'm saying separation without bitterness might just be the smartest thing to do! |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by gadogado(m): 9:00am On Apr 20, 2011 |
@beaf! you still dont understand the dynamic it seems. IBB and co have given the impression that they've always fought for northern interests. Na'abba (not so sure he's a "good person") rigged on behalf of the pdp and northerners see that as seeling them into slavery for some measly change in his pocket. The anger is not over goodluck's "win" but over the fact that they massively rigged the election in the north, they inflated pdp votes. No way pdp won 40% of sokoto, this is why sokoto youths attempted to burn down the sultan's palace, they burned down a section of the emir of kano's palace and completely burned down the emir of zaria's palace because they see these people as complicit in rigging their election and inflating gej votes!! its a case of "I know all my neighbors voted for buhari and all of a sudden we're being told that 40% of us voted for goodluck" so had the election not been rigged, you would not see violence even if goodluck won eventually to which he stood a good chance of!! he most likely would have won the run off but they had to rig to avoid a run off!! so the pdp caused the violence not buhari or the cpc. Dont rig and you will see no violence!! its really as simple as that!!! |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by gadogado(m): 9:05am On Apr 20, 2011 |
The country should be split!!! The elite will not agree to it however. Therefore, you will continue having no electricity and you'll continue to suffer in that country! voting for pdp was voting against your interests if you're an ordinary Nigerian. southerners are such bigots, its sad!! I read one post where someone said "I'd rather vote for a looting president than an almajiri president" WE SHOULD JUST RESOLVE TO SPLIT THAT COUNTRY IN TWO. Thats the best way moving forward! |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Akanbiedu(m): 9:05am On Apr 20, 2011 |
LMAO Looks like Tinubu was real threat to GEJ in the just concluded elections. Beaf advocating Fashola to be the new face of leadership in SW, I am beginning to suspect Fashola is a weakling. What does Fashola know? he has performed well in stable conditions, what about in unstable conditions? Abegi, we no dey fall for this southern unity BS, it's either we are in Nigeria or Odualand not South. We won't be replacing a devil with another devil. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Akanbiedu(m): 9:08am On Apr 20, 2011 |
Just a week ago, beaf was advocating for Urhobo state. These are the kind of people we'll be dealing with. People who have no record of central government in their past will never understand the concept of nationalism. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by nedu666: 10:44am On Apr 20, 2011 |
u fool u sit in the us. and wish tragedy and wars to all nigerians, oneday u will fall victim to your own wishes fool |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by T9ksy(m): 11:17am On Apr 20, 2011 |
gadogado: You should scream the bolded part on the roof-tops to the northern masses but not the elites as we all know they are opposed to such a move. Fyi, southerners voted pdp not because as you simply put it, they are bigots but actually because they never forgot what an ethnic bigot buhari was and still is. Sotherners haven't forgotten how Buhari in his 1st outing brutalised and dehumanised us. How he jailed our political leaders for 100 years whilst northern politicians ( who were really the ones sharing out our resources and squandering them) were placed on house arrest. It just goes to illustrate what a dunce Buhari is if he actually believes that southerners will vote for him. The only way the mofo will ever get to rule us again is thru the barrels of a gun which we purchased for him with our tears, sweat and blood with the expectation that he will used them (guns) to protect us from external threat. As for spliting into two, don't worry your sweet head about that. Eventually water will find its own level irrespective of which container its poured in. Nigeria will split into as many parts as it can expediently live with but one thing is certain, this extant system will never work. It was not set-up to be viable and it has been dysfunctional for over 50yrs! LET'S GO OUR SEPERATE WAYS- WE ARE NOT SIAMESE TWINS!!! Even they seperated and went on to live full and independent lives. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by EzeUche3(m): 3:37pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
No one in the South-East was going to vote for Buhari, especially when he put Shagari under house arrest, but put his Vice President, Alex Ekwueme in prison, simply because he was not from the North. Did people actually expect that the Ndigbo has forgotten this act? He imprisoned more Southern leaders, but allow Northern leaders either to remain free or be under house arrest. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by nagoma(m): 3:54pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
The Nigerian Election was not contested on rational nation centered , and development centered objectives even by the electorate or else PDP would not have won even with an oil producing area candidate. The election was based on Money, Ehnicity and Religion and clearly the South, the Christians and those who have access to money ( government money) have won. The anger over the riots in the North is also justified , I am very angry , miserable and sad at this carnage and loss of lives and property. But the Nairalanders here majority of who are the victors in this tribal election are also calling for war. I know this is a difficult time to make a constructive suggestion when there is destruction and wickedness everywhere. My suggestion is that JEG insists for the first time in our history that the culprits in this be fished out and tried and judged according to rule of law and be meted with the appropriate punishment including the death penalty, I am in support of that. After that as the countries president, he can address the causes which include education of the poverty stricken youths of the north who are now the midnight children, who do not know Islam and have no access to any other form of education and therefore behave like animals, when they know there is no redress and no real justice . If he cannot do that let him propose that the country be divided. He can go and rule the "civilized south" and the northerners with hind sight could tame and train their lot. Nations can survive and are known to survive by growing onions, tomatoes, potatoes, rice, sugar cane, yam, peanuts and pepper and by rearing goats, sheep and cattle and exploring a few minerals like gold and columbite they can manage. Its better to part in peace for you the victors as well as the vanquished- no victor no vanquished that is the tradition in Nigeria abi? The 2 nations can still trade and exchange greetings - after all the Americans dropped the atom bomb in Nagasaki and Hiroshima that killed and maimed hundreds of thousands but these 2 countries are friends now. All this hyperventilation and exchange of insults and incitinng comments under the anonimity of NL is not really necessary - tell goodluck to chose to rule only the south afterall they elected him. 1 Like |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by ufumes(m): 3:58pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
If Nigeria splits, each zone would still rely on each other to survive. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by obongtunji: 4:20pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
I hate talkin against man of GOD.But stil i say i dont know man of whome i should kal tunde bakare. Nairalander do u rememba dis man kalin 4 voilence(wild wild north) durin wat they kal campaign. No wonda he has bin a controversial man. I wonder wat he has bin preachin 2 his congregation, may b violence |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by ideylaff: 4:20pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
Tinubu has his own side of the alliance story too, we were not there, it's now a matter of "He said, She said" until they provide audio and video recordings. LOL, one thing I know is that he requested/asked for his EFFC file to be destroyed and 4gotten 4 life, . ON another note, we heared Buharis name during the ACN/CPC alliance talks but we never heard Nuhu Ribadu at all, same for when Tinubu went to Aso to see Jonathan shorthly b4 the Presidential election, he went with Fashola and a few of his lieutenants, but still no mention of Nuhu Ribadu in the whole scenario. This brings a few questions to mind 1. Is Tinubu so heavy handed that Nuhu fears him? 2. Did Nuhu prefer an alliance with CPC than with PDP? 3. Is Nuhu a fall man for the whole thing and how its worked out, cos I dont see Nuhu working/surving within PDP after all he has said about them 4. Why was Tinubu the man doing all the negotiations when the mandate belonged to Nuhu Ribadu LIKE I KEEP REITERATING, POLITICIANS NEVER FIGHT THEMSELVES, THEY JUST DISAGREE TO AGREE, WE ARE THE OUTSIDERS AND ITS OUR VERY OWN LIVES THEY MORTGAGE WHEN THEY MAKE DECISIONS BASED SOLELY ON EGO, PERSONAL INTEREST AND WHAT NOT U HAVE. Time will tell. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Nobody: 4:33pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
Like him or not, we still need rugged rogues like tinubu to play opposition in nigeria. And the politics in naija is just money, not ideas and how do u expect Fashola, a homeboy to act that role, thumbs up to Tinubu!why? because this is africa, this is Nigeria. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by supereagle(m): 6:04pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
SW gave it to JEG. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by 1953truth: 11:04pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
How long do you think the Muslim north would want to continue being part of Nigeria if commercially viable and profitable oil deposits are discovered in their domain? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by 1953truth: 11:06pm On Apr 20, 2011 |
How long do you think the Muslim north would want to continue being part of Nigeria if commercially viable and profitable oil deposits are discovered in their domain? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by CrudeOil2(m): 12:07am On Apr 21, 2011 |
gadogado: Trash! Who do you think you are deceiving? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Ayowumie(m): 12:18am On Apr 21, 2011 |
There are so many issues begging for rational attention on this particular thread. Not knowing where to start, I would be picking them one after the other: Beaf on the first page of this thread is criticising Tinubu even called him a small minded person. This is funny. Politicians in Nigeria are never to be trusted. There has been a rumour of alleged alliance btw Tinubu and Jonathan (not PDP). This alliance is based on the suffix that SW would produce the next Senate President. If this is true (which i think it is cos there is nothing to suggest otherwise), then who do you think the Senate President would be? My best guess is OLUREMI TINUBU. Politics in Nigeria is never about ideals and ideology but it is always about selfish interest (remember the failure of alliance btw ACN & CPC). Tinubu allegedly 'sold' Lagos on the bases of his selfish interest. The only sorry i seem to have is that Ribadu was a pawn in the hands of the like of Tinubu. He should have seen the hand writing on the wall. Right from the outset, many of us had predicted that Ribadu's candidacy was in jeopardy cos at no time was he in charge of the party's machinery. In my opinion, ACN did not want a repeat of what happened to AD in 2003 that was why there was no open endorsement of GEJ rather it was a secret alliance. Oh Ribadu, how could you have been so dull? To the thread proper, the voting pattern of Nigerians vary along many dimensions but it was never based on any particular ideology. Even none of the parties are along ideology. The voting pattern vary along the following dimensions: Religion; Ethnic affiliation; Compensation of the minority; Personality (even though, the definition attached to this is loose) I challenge anyone that would tell me am wrong. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by pleep(m): 1:11am On Apr 21, 2011 |
http://historyfacebook.wikispaces.com/file/view/Hausa_map.gif/30686939/Hausa_map.gif This land right here should be a seperate hausa/ fulani/ Taureg County. That would solve all these problems. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by CrudeOil2(m): 1:15am On Apr 21, 2011 |
So gadogado, there is no born to rule mentality? Tell me something, why didn’t the northern youths protest in 2007 when Yar’adull was rigged into power by the PDP. There were jubilations in katsina and other parts of the north. If you also take a look at the election results, you would notice that Yar’adull won the majority of the votes from the s/south and the s/east which is very impossible. But did the s/southern and s/east youths protest? No! Why didn’t they protest the results of the national assembly elections that just held weeks ago? If there is no born to rule mentality, why did the northern political elites initiate the idea of a power rotation/zoning policy? Of course, after ruling the country for over thirty years, they believe its their right to be rulers and kingmakers. You said most northerners want to secede. I don’t think so. If they are serious about secession, why are they not audacious in their pursuit towards the cause? The southerners have groups such as the MASSOB, MEND, OPC etc. Which northern group is clamoring for separation, (Boko Haram)? None! You also claimed that you northerners have not benefited from the oil boom. Wow! So those roads, airports, electricity, schools etc- where do the funds used in financing them come from? If each northern state generated their own revenue, would they be able to fund these projects comfortably? Even your elites, would they be more than 100 if the north was a separate country? Your legislators who collect millions annually for doing nothing, your businessmen like dangote, would he be the richest African if the north was a separate country? Instead of you lot to be grateful, you are killing you hosts. SHAME! And there is no oil in the lake chad basin. . . |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by pleep(m): 1:17am On Apr 21, 2011 |
^^^ you tore his argument to pieces. |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by CrudeOil2(m): 1:50am On Apr 21, 2011 |
^^ He cannot fool me. . he should take his crap elsewhere |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by Nobody: 2:09am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Crude Oil: Dont mind the mugu |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by deb(m): 2:32am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Going by the division on the Map, I'm forced to ask the question; who is telling lies? Nigerian population Census board or INEC? Who has d largest population? North or South? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by CrudeOil2(m): 3:40am On Apr 21, 2011 |
^ are you sleeping? |
Re: The Real Map Of Nigeria -the Ultimate Truth by igboboy1(m): 6:10am On Apr 21, 2011 |
Where is the bush Ileke girl saying the SW won it gor GEJ? ANuofia dem tell you say all the inhabitants in the SW are yoruba? Hausa alone for Lagos nothing less than 2 million, igbo nothing less than 1.5 million, other non yoruba nationalities there nothing less than 3 milion, ok lets say everybody for SW na odua sef na we tell una make una no vote your tribal party ACN? Abeg go siddon, onye ara |
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