sanpapi:

Sacrifice u say, God doesn't need to sacrifice for his own creations.

Koran 37: 107
"And We ransomed his son with a great sacrifice,"

Obviously Allah sacrificed here.
True or not? Your response is highly awaited.

sagenaija:

Koran 37: 107
"And We ransomed his son with a great sacrifice,"

Obviously Allah sacrificed here.
True or not? Your response is highly awaited.

have u read the full verse nope, that was for Abraham whn he was tested to sacrifice his son n a ram was used to in place of his son, his creations sacrifice to him. again God don't need to sacrifice for his own creations how can u say he sacrificed his only son if really he evn had a son as claimed.

sanpapi:

Sacrifice u say, God doesn't need to sacrifice for his own creations.

Why did God establish the ordinance of sacrifice?

Do you have any idea?

sanpapi:

waraqa ibn nawfal is d correct spelling n he was a Christian man who lived in mecca n instantly attest that Prophet Mohammed was a prophet whn he heard of the first revelation to him. don't sit down and jst conjoin stuffs half way n spill out.

And He died a Christian not as a Muslim.

It's amazing that this same man who was not present with Mohamed in the cave was one who named the "spirit" that appeared to Mohamed as Jubril. Did the spirit introduce himself to Mohamed?

Any more comments?

sanpapi:

have u read the full verse nope, that was for Abraham whn he was tested to sacrifice his son n a ram was used to in place of his son, his creations sacrifice to him. again God don't need to sacrifice for his own creations how can u say he sacrificed his only son if really he evn had a son as claimed.

Koran 37: 107
"And We ransomed his son with a great sacrifice,"
A few questions for you:
Who is speaking in that verse?
What did he say he did?
How was it done, or how did he do it?

You Moslems believe that Allah is the only one speaking in the Koran, don't you?
Therefore is he not the "we" in that verse?
What do your scholars (NOT YOU) say about the interpretation of that verse?

Remember what you said:

Sacrifice u say, God doesn't need to sacrifice for his own creations.

sagenaija:

Koran 37: 107
"And We ransomed his son with a great sacrifice,"
A few questions for you:
Who is speaking in that verse?
What did he say he did?
How was it done, or how did he do it?

You Moslems believe that Allah is the only one speaking in the Koran, don't you?
Therefore is he not the "we" in that verse?
What do your scholars (NOT YOU) say about the interpretation of that verse?

Remember what you said:

from the gospel what did God say to Abraham about Issac please?
and i stand God doesn't need to sacrifice for its creations, the creations sacrifice to him.
back to the question 'we' are u implying Gid is multiple

sanpapi:

from the gospel what did God say to Abraham about Issac please?
and i stand God doesn't need to sacrifice for its creations, the creations sacrifice to him.
back to the question 'we' are u implying Gid is multiple

Do you now want to use the Gospel to interpret your Koran?

I do not mean plural. That's not the issue. What I'm asking is: who is doing the action in that portion of the Koran?

At the end of the day it is not what you stand for or stand by. For you as a Moslem it should be 'What is the Koran saying here?'
Or do you now want to subject the Koran to your PERSONAL interpretation?

So, what is the scholars interpretation of that verse? Help us out.

Winning a debate is about providing FACTS not OPINIONS. Show us the facts. Otherwise you showing us that you don't know why you believe what you believe in Islam.

sagenaija:

Do you now want to use the Gospel to interpret your Koran?

I do not mean plural. That's not the issue. What I'm asking is: who is doing the action in that portion of the Koran?

At the end of the day it is not what you stand for or stand by. For you as a Moslem it should be 'What is the Koran saying here?'
Or do you now want to subject the Koran to your PERSONAL interpretation?

So, what is the scholars interpretation of that verse? Help us out.

Winning a debate is about providing FACTS not OPINIONS. Show us the facts. Otherwise you showing us that you don't know why you believe what you believe in Islam.

oh i never took it as a debate besides i won't even indulge on in one in such platform. u can believe what u want of that single verse no matter how much i say ur bliv is already firm on that. stay good

sanpapi:

oh i never took it as a debate besides i won't even indulge on in one in such platform. u can believe what u want of that single verse no matter how much i say ur bliv is already firm on that. stay good

You have said NOTHING about the verse; have you?
It's obvious when someone wants to run away from a discussion. You are displaying that tendency right now. Otherwise to give a simple response to an enquiry wouldn't have taken this much time from one who has the answer.

It is very clear here that Allah did not query sacrifice. So, why did Allah authorise or approve of this sacrifice? Why do Moslems keep sacrificing rams and other animals till date?

It's amazing that Moslems either don't know why they do what they do in their religion or even explain their books. At the end of the day the usual escapist route is 'Allah knows best' or they accuse the other person of lack of knowledge or understanding of Islam. Meanwhile they are the ones who have CLEARLY failed to educate the other person about their religion.

sagenaija:

You have said NOTHING about the verse; have you?
It's obvious when someone wants to run away from a discussion. You are displaying that tendency right now. Otherwise to give a simple response to an enquiry wouldn't have taken this much time from one who has the answer.

It is very clear here that Allah did not query sacrifice. So, why did Allah authorise or approve of this sacrifice? Why do Moslems keep sacrificing rams and other animals till date?

It's amazing that Moslems either don't know why they do what they do in their religion or even explain their books. At the end of the day the usual escapist route is 'Allah knows best' or they accuse the other person of lack of knowledge or understanding of Islam. Meanwhile they are the ones who have CLEARLY failed to educate the other person about their religion.

ok u win am running, kindly Educate me on the verse. plzzzzz

sanpapi:

ok u win am running, kindly Educate me on the verse. plzzzzz

A sacrifice was provided in place of Abraham's son thus saving the son from being sacrificed. A picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ.

It's the same way that God provided Jesus as an atoning sacrifice for mankind's sin in order to RANSOM man from the penalty of sin with Jesus's GREAT SACRIFICE.

sagenaija:

A sacrifice was provided in place of Abraham's son thus saving the son from being sacrificed. A picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ.

It's the same way that God provided Jesus as an atoning sacrifice for mankind's sin in order to RANSOM man from the penalty of sin with Jesus's GREAT SACRIFICE.

you wrong

sagenaija:

A sacrifice was provided in place of Abraham's son thus saving the son from being sacrificed. A picture of what was to come in Jesus Christ.

It's the same way that God provided Jesus as an atoning sacrifice for mankind's sin in order to RANSOM man from the penalty of sin with Jesus's GREAT SACRIFICE.

100 100 mate, if it makes u sleep well at night.

Empiree:
you wrong

no need to stress the talk mate just let him sleep well.

sagenaija:

It's the same way that God provided Jesus as an atoning sacrifice for mankind's sin in order to RANSOM man from the penalty of sin with Jesus's GREAT SACRIFICE.

This can be better explained.

https://www.nairaland.com/6270051/misconception-god-sent-jesus-die/1#100917016

https://www.nairaland.com/6491054/offended-me-greatly-take-son#100767615

The followers of Mohamed were known as Hanifiyya not Moslems. The change wouldn't come until another 100 years when the name of the religion changed to be Islam and the adherents now called Moslems. When that happened the identity of Hanifiyya and identification as the religion of Abraham were lost. In its place the term Islam meaning SUBMIT was now being used.

No one used the two words interchangeably at that time. In other words, while Hanifiyya is known today to be what the followers of Mohamed were called back then, they were not referred to as Moslems and the religion did not go by the name of Islam at that time.

Did Mohamed restore the religion of Abraham. No. The rituals found in Islam today were not identified with Abraham. The religion of Abraham should lead you to a personal relationship with God. He sacrificed to God for a reason. He had personal relationship with God. They were also a central theme in the life and work of Jesus. He became the "lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world". God gave him so that whosoever believes in him (as mankind's saviour) will not perish but have eternal life.