The GOD of the Old testament does not turn the other cheek. God did not tell David to turn the other cheek to Goliath. Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
In the Old Testament God led the army of Israel into battles and also if a person was caught on a Sabbath just picking firewood the person is a goner.
Then Suddenly in the New Testament when Rome was ruling Israel God just suddenly became a Gentle turn the other cheek God. Though turning the other cheek was the sensible thing to do as the Roman army was too strong for the Jewish rebellion. So the question now is whether the Roman God created a gentle Messiah to take the mind of the Jews away from a warrior like David, Samson and others?

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I have a lot to say but I'll wait until tomorrow before saying it because it's Sunday and the mods will most likely push a thread like this to FP

The "Lord" of the old Testament is of course different from "God the Father" of the new.

someone should wake me when it get to the fp

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This should tell you that religion is wack.

ThePlainTruth:
The GOD of the Old testament does not turn the other cheek. God did not tell David to turn the other cheek to Goliath. Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
In the Old Testament God led the army of Israel into battles and also if a person was caught on a Sabbath just picking firewood the person is a goner.
Then Suddenly in the New Testament when Rome was ruling Israel God just suddenly became a Gentle turn the other cheek God. Though turning the other cheek was the sensible thing to do as the Roman army was too strong for the Jewish rebellion. So the question now is whether the Roman God created a gentle Messiah to take the mind of the Jews away from a warrior like David, Samson and others?

Still the same God only different plans of Action.

What you wrongly call the old testament is when He wanted to Save man and his world but now, what you wrongly call the new testament is when He Now intends to destroy foolish disobedient man and his world!

ThePlainTruth:
The GOD of the Old testament does not turn the other cheek. God did not tell David to turn the other cheek to Goliath. Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
In the Old Testament God led the army of Israel into battles and also if a person was caught on a Sabbath just picking firewood the person is a goner.
Then Suddenly in the New Testament when Rome was ruling Israel God just suddenly became a Gentle turn the other cheek God. Though turning the other cheek was the sensible thing to do as the Roman army was too strong for the Jewish rebellion. So the question now is whether the Roman God created a gentle Messiah to take the mind of the Jews away from a warrior like David, Samson and others? The concept of God  coming upon a woman is of the Roman pagan belief and no where in the Old Testament has God ever done such or promised such, the Jewish Bible says a young woman and not a virgin will give birth to the Messiah and this leads to this question of whether the Roman God is the God of the new Testament? In a way the New Testament is better as the practice of stoning people was abolished from the time the Romans ruled Israel.

It is the same God but different plans/Covenant and each for different Kingdoms.

The Old Covenant Law is given for a Kingdom belonging to this world, the Kingdom of Canaan, where men rule over themselves and wrought evil upon their fellow men, whereas the New Covenant Law is given for those who belong instead to the Kingdom of God, where God Himself is judge and King over all those who are in His Kingdom.

God is the universal divine consciousness, not a man or human being. The battle is within us.
Gods laws are universal..and was given to all of mankind. The God of the Jews is same as Eledumare of Yoruba or chukwu of the Igbo's. Just the nomenclature that is different.
The romans created the Jesus character to divide God into two.

The Jews only used propaganda to say their God is the real God...

Kobojunkiee:
It is the same God but different plans/Covenant and each for different Kingdoms.
The Old Covenant Law is given for a Kingdom belonging to this world, the Kingdom of Canaan, where men rule over themselves and wrought evil upon their fellow men, whereas the New Covenant Law is given for those who belong instead to the Kingdom of God, where God Himself is judge and King over all those who are in His Kingdom.

The Roman Kingdom were the ones that stopped the barbaric law of stoning people in the Old Covenant Law for things like not keeping the Sabbath. The New Covenant Law was given during the reign of the Roman kingdom and has dominated the world till today. This make it to appear like the New Covenant Law was from the God of the Romans as the Jews are still waiting for God to send their Messiah so that they can go back to practicing the Old Covenant Law, which was stopped when the Romans ruled Israel and till God will allow them to build the third Temple.

ThePlainTruth:
The Roman Kingdom were the ones that stopped the barbaric law of stoning people in the Old Covenant Law for things like not keeping the Sabbath. The New Covenant Law was given during the reign of the Roman kingdom and has dominated the world till today. This make it to appear like the New Covenant Law was from the God of the Romans as the Jews are still waiting for God to send their Messiah so that they can go back to practicing the Old Covenant Law, which was stopped when the Romans ruled Israel and till God will allow them to build the third Temple.

I don't know what Roman Kingdom has to do with any of what I said please.

The practice of the Old Covenant Law continues today, well beyond the statute of the Roman Empire. The Old Covenant Law of Moses holds even to this day being the foundation of Judaism that it is, only that with the temple no longer in existence, the Levite away of the temple, leading to the disbanding Levite rule as enforcers/shepherds of the Law in the land, the people have had to find other ways of enforcing the laws.

I don't see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form. The very detail of the New Law is evidence enough for the connection that exists between the God of the Old and the God of the New, as it contains the very details announced by God through His Prophets, long before Rome showed up on the radar.

Kobojunkiee:
I don't know what Roman Kingdom has to do with any of what I said please.

The practice of the Old Covenant Law continues today, well beyond the statute of the Roman Empire. The Old Covenant Law of Moses holds even to this day being the foundation of Judaism that it is, only that with the temple no longer in existence, the Levite away of the temple, leading to the disbanding Levite rule as enforcers/shepherds of the Law in the land, the people have had to find other ways of enforcing the laws.

I don't see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form. The very detail of the New Law is evidence enough for the connection that exists between the God of the Old and the God of the New, as it contains the very details announced by God through His Prophets, long before Rome showed up on the radar.

Well the fact that you cannot "see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form" does not mean that there are no Roman influences in the New Covenant. It is just like saying you cannot see how the coming of the Europeans to Nigeria has influenced the Laws of Nigeria today.

ThePlainTruth:
Well the fact that you cannot "see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form" does not mean that there are no Roman influences in the New Covenant. It is just like saying you cannot see how the coming of the Europeans to Nigeria has influenced the Laws of Nigeria today. 

If you paid attention to all that was revealed by God through His Prophets in the Old Testament, you would understand how there is in fact no Roman influence where the New Covenant Law is concerned.

This was not a coming of Europeans to Nigeria ..... The Romans may have invaded the land at the time but that didn't influence the Old Covenant and certainly not the New Covenant which arrived exactly as promised in the Old... with details that trace back to the Old.

Kobojunkiee:
If you paid attention to all that was revealed by God through His Prophets in the Old Testament, you would understand how there is in fact no Roman influence where the New Covenant Law is concerned.

This was not a coming of Europeans to Nigeria ..... The Romans may have invaded the land at the time but that didn't influence the Old Covenant and certainly not the New Covenant which arrived exactly as promised in the Old... with details that trace back to the Old.

God having a Son through a virgin is a Ronan pagan belief and no where in the Old Jewish Scriptures did God promise to have a Son though a virgin or have ever done so not even with Eve whom He created.

The Europeans did come to what we now call Nigeria.

ThePlainTruth:

God having a Son through a virgin is a Ronan pagan belief and no where in the Old Jewish Scriptures did God promise to have a Son though a virgin.

The Europeans did come to what we now call Nigeria.

And the mention of a virgin birthing a child in the Old Testament was also of Roman inclusion?

Kobojunkiee:
And the mention of a virgin birthing a child in the Old Testament is Roman in origin?

The Jewish Hebrew scripture from where the Old Testament was translated says almah meaning a young lady but the english and other translation chaged it to a virgin. God never promise to have a Son though a virgin or have ever done so not even with Eve the first lady He created, such belief is of Roman pagan belief.

ThePlainTruth:

The Jewish Hebrew scripture from where the Old Testament was translated says almah meaning a young lady but the english and other translation chaged it to a virgin. God never promise to have a Son though a virgin or have ever done so not even with Eve the first lady He created, such belief is of Roman pagan belief.

If it meant young lady then that prophesy would have been a stupid one given that there are many hebrew young ladies in the land at the time and may names that could have easily fit the "God with us" translation as well.

Kobojunkiee:
If it meant young lady then that prophesy would have been a stupid one given that there are many hebrew young ladies in the land at the time and may names that could have easily fit the "God with us" translation as well.

You now know Judaism more than the Jews whom God gave it to. Below is a Jewish site dedicated to Judaism, it will be good to see what it says about the Messiah.  

Who Is Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah)? https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1121893/jewish/Who-Is-Moshiach-the-Jewish-Messiah.htm

The Messianic Redemption will be ushered in by a person, a human leader, a descendant of Kings David and Solomon, who will reinstate the Davidic royal dynasty. According to tradition, Moshiach will be wiser than Solomon, and a prophet around the level of Moses.

Ever since the destruction of the Holy Temple, in every generation there is an individual, a scion of the House of David, who has the potential to be the Moshiach. If at any moment the Jews are worthy of redemption, this person would be directed from Above to assume the role of the redeemer.
During the Messianic Era, the Moshiach will serve a dual role. He will be a monarch, ruling over all of humanity with kindness and justice, and upholding the law of the Torah—613 commandments for the Jews, and seven for the non-Jews. He will also be the ultimate teacher, the conduit for the deepest and most profound dimensions of the Torah which will then be revealed by G‑d.

How are we to identify the Moshiach?

Moshiach is not identified by his ability to perform earth-shattering miracles. In fact, he isn't required to perform any miracles at all (although the performance of miracles doesn't disqualify him either).

The following are the criteria for identifying the Moshiach, as written by Maimonides:

If we see a Jewish leader who (a) toils in the study of Torah and is meticulous about the observance of the mitzvot, (b) influences the Jews to follow the ways of the Torah and (c) wages the "battles of G‑d"—such a person is the "presumptive Moshiach."

If the person succeeded in all these endeavors, and then rebuilds the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and facilitates the ingathering of the Jews to the Land of Israel—then we are certain that he is the Moshiach.

You're just confused in your text. No one can tell exactly what you meant to pass as message.
Only the first few lines seems to make sense but the sense they made is a nonsense to someone who reasons well.

What if I claim that the earth of the medieval ages is different from ours because the medievals said the Sun moves around the Earth whereas we today, we claim it is the Earth that moves around the Sun?

Every age and culture has their own understanding of God. It is people's understanding of God that changes and not God himself.

It is people's understanding of things that change and not the things themselves.

HealerH:
l'm just confused in your text. No one can tell exactly what you meant to pass as message.
Only the first few lines seems to make sense but the sense they made is a nonsense to someone who reasons well.

What if I claim the the earth of the medieval ages is different from ours because the medievals said the Sun moves around the Earth whereas we today, we claim it is the Earth that moves around the Sun?

Every age and culture has their own understanding of God. It is people's understanding of God that changes and not God himself.

It is people's understanding of things that change and not the things themselves.

You are so confused because you just beleive anything you are told like a baby.

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ThePlainTruth:
The GOD of the Old testament does not turn the other cheek. God did not tell David to turn the other cheek to Goliath. Psalm 18:34 He trains my hands for battle; my arms can bend a bow of bronze.
In the Old Testament God led the army of Israel into battles and also if a person was caught on a Sabbath just picking firewood the person is a goner.
Then Suddenly in the New Testament when Rome was ruling Israel God just suddenly became a Gentle turn the other cheek God. Though turning the other cheek was the sensible thing to do as the Roman army was too strong for the Jewish rebellion. So the question now is whether the Roman God created a gentle Messiah to take the mind of the Jews away from a warrior like David, Samson and others? The concept of God  coming upon a woman is of the Roman pagan belief and no where in the Old Testament has God ever done such or promised such, the Jewish Bible says a young woman and not a virgin will give birth to the Messiah and this leads to this question of whether the Roman God is the God of the new Testament? In a way the New Testament is better as the practice of stoning people was abolished from the time the Romans ruled Israel.

For those of you who would like to know more about Messiah the Jews whom God handed His Laws are expecting, please see the link below and who God has promised the Jews to expect as the Messiah.

Who Is Moshiach (the Jewish Messiah)? https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1121893/jewish/Who-Is-Moshiach-the-Jewish-Messiah.htm

The Messianic Redemption will be ushered in by a person, a human leader, a descendant of Kings David and Solomon, who will reinstate the Davidic royal dynasty. According to tradition, Moshiach will be wiser than Solomon, and a prophet around the level of Moses.

Ever since the destruction of the Holy Temple, in every generation there is an individual, a scion of the House of David, who has the potential to be the Moshiach. If at any moment the Jews are worthy of redemption, this person would be directed from Above to assume the role of the redeemer.
During the Messianic Era, the Moshiach will serve a dual role. He will be a monarch, ruling over all of humanity with kindness and justice, and upholding the law of the Torah—613 commandments for the Jews, and seven for the non-Jews. He will also be the ultimate teacher, the conduit for the deepest and most profound dimensions of the Torah which will then be revealed by G‑d.

How are we to identify the Moshiach?

Moshiach is not identified by his ability to perform earth-shattering miracles. In fact, he isn't required to perform any miracles at all (although the performance of miracles doesn't disqualify him either).

The following are the criteria for identifying the Moshiach, as written by Maimonides:

If we see a Jewish leader who (a) toils in the study of Torah and is meticulous about the observance of the mitzvot, (b) influences the Jews to follow the ways of the Torah and (c) wages the "battles of G‑d"—such a person is the "presumptive Moshiach."

If the person succeeded in all these endeavors, and then rebuilds the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and facilitates the ingathering of the Jews to the Land of Israel—then we are certain that he is the Moshiach.  

USELESS OCCULTIC TEACHING FROM THE PIT OF HELL!