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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by letu(m): 8:59am On May 03
OfoIgbo:
And in Aburi Igbos established confederation, but the Yorubas, Hausas, Fulanis and the rest of Nigeria rejected it and opted for the current unitary system that is currently being practiced
So why the op by the name theTranslator complaining.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by letu(m): 9:09am On May 03
theTranslator:
I saw a thread trying to revise history
https://www.nairaland.com/6534250/aguiyi-ironsi-did-not-dissolve-regionalism/
that is a malicious attempt
to revise history and we the reasonable Nairalanders won't take such

Decree Number 34 of May 24, 1966, promulgated by Ironsi caused massive unrest in the Northern part of the country as the Northerners had gone against delimiting of regional powers as far back as 1959.
The decree made the centre strong, thereby abolishing the powers granted to the regions. In June 1966, Ironsi began a tour of the country (never to return to Lagos) and met with the Northern elite, assuring them of a united Nigeria. thehistoryville.com/


But, Ironsi was in a hurry to make an impression. In his May broadcast, he declared: “Nigeria shall on the 24th May, 1966 cease to be a federation and shall accordingly as from that day be a republic by the name of the Republic of Nigeria, consisting of the whole territory, which immediately before that day was comprised in a federation.” As federalism was abolished, the regions ceased to exist. From their ashes sprang up a group of territorial areas called provinces. Each region became a group of provinces, with a National Military Government at the centre. The late Head of State had also proposed a new economic plan, but it never saw the light of day....thenationonlineng.com

According to Ndayo Uko, the Decree no.2 was to serve "as a kind gesture to the press" to safeguard himself when he went on later to promulgate the Defamatory and Offensive Decree No.44 of 1966 which made it an "offense to display or pass on pictorial representation, sing songs, or play instruments the words of which are likely to provoke any section of the country." He also as per the proposals of a single man committee passed the controversial Unification Decree No. 34 aimed to unify Nigeria into a unitary state..... wikipedia.com
Now what effort/ action was made by the western region and Northern region to stop such a decree that they hate so much?.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by theTranslator: 10:31am On May 03
gidgiddy:


You people love peddling falsehood. The thread was not about if Ironsi changed Nigeria from a federation to a Republic. It was about if it was Ironsi that abolished Regionalism and introduced unitary rule. Republic simply means that people are now self governing. I asked two questions

1. How is it possible that Ironsi abolished Regionalism when all 4 Regions he met when he cane to power were still existing the day he died?

2. How is it possible that Ironsi introduced unitary rule when the four Regions not only existed, but had resource control and fiscal federalism?

Decree 34 only standardised and unified the civil service. The decree neither abolished the Regions nor introduced unitary rule


you are still revising?? cheesy
even your brothers have deserted you

go and lie no more grin

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Oracleforce: 10:43am On May 03
OfoIgbo:
And in Aburi Igbos established confederation, but the Yorubas, Hausas, Fulanis and the rest of Nigeria rejected it and opted for the current unitary system that is currently being practiced

Shut up!/an average Yeebo person is dangerous to entrust power into his hands.....
Ironsi caused the civil war not Gowon.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by nku5: 1:15pm On May 03
theTranslator:


gidgiddy abalion heffalump Oliviaohms akwampuruamu mightyhaiz nku5

I am supposed to be somersault over meaningless draftsman semantics? There were regions and regional governors and provinces.

There is nothing unitary about that

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by MrChinanu: 1:40pm On May 03
The Japanese say "if you believe everything you were taught in school,then you aren't supposed to go to school"

This simply implies that you should wear your thinking cap while digesting what you were taught in school.

If Ironsi destroyed regionalism as the writer alleged, what did Gowon disband in 1967 with decree 14?

Secondly, if Ironsi destroyed regionalism, why was parts of the Constitutions of the regions that had nothing to do with elections and appointments in use, 8 months after his death?

Finally, why was the resource sharing formula at independence maintained under him,until Gowon suspended it in 1967 when Biafra was declared?

The truth is that the history of this country is very distorted to support an agenda, unfortunately the truth always have a way of showing itself.

Not everyone is zombie.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by okeyfrank: 3:11pm On May 03
IRONSI AND HIS TEAM LIVED THEIR LIVES

IF YOUR FATHER DID SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR HIS TIME AND DOES NOT WORK FOR YOUR OWN TIME, WHAT DO YOU DO? CHANGE IT.

BELOW ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS LEFT FOR US AS NIGERIANS TO SALVAGE WHAT IS LEFT OF THIS PRESENT TERRORIST LED COUNTRY.
1)REGIONAL GOVT/DEVOLUTION OF POWER
2)BALKERNIZATION/DISMEMBERING OF NIGERIA


ANY OTHER OPTION IS A FAILURE ALREADY

THEY OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF NIGERIS HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO THE WALL.

WE BETTER DO THE NEEDFUL AND AVERT THE IMMINENT DANGER
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by tit(f): 3:19pm On May 03
theTranslator:
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Child of perdition and hatred.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by pricklewane: 3:26pm On May 03
Why did Igbos in Aguiyi Ironai destroy regionalism ?

What was contained in confederalism that was lacking in regional government?

I have personally asked Kanu this question but till date no Igbo is intelligent enough to provide an answer.

For igbos that do not understand the 2. It is an exact replica of eating your cake n still wanting to have it. Igbos saw a prosperous Nigeria n out of greed wanted all it goodies to themselves but as fate will have it they lack the numbers to achieve that democratically n Azikwe finance a coup to enthroned himself there by ruining the democracy inherited from the British forever.

The coup Imposed a lunatic in Aguiyi Ironsi who truncated Regional Government n Imposed unitary govt so that the cocoa wealth from the West n ground nut wealth from the north will be brought under a foolish Igbo control in addition to the wealth from the East.

A counter coup depose Ironsi n Igbos declared war because the rest of Nigeria will not allow the wealth to be cornered by these bastards. They were soundly beaten and after losing the war n realizing unitary government they impose on others as taken their own wealth to the center where it is shared among wolves with little or nothing for them they concorted Aburi accord.

So I ask if all that was in Aburi accord was all Igbos wanted they should list 3 thing in it that does not exist in Regional government before they plan the coup to destroy it. If no Igbos is able to tell us 3 things that is in Aburi accord but missing when we had regional government why are igbo now asking for what we have always had without a fight ? Shouldn't Igbos admit their guilt in taking Nigeria through a needless war only to ask for all they we had before the war without a single thing more ?!


OfoIgbo:

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The Aburi meeting did not last for 2, 3,4 months. It lasted for a few days.
Yorubas, Hausas, Fulanis and other Nigerians had 2,3,4 months to adopt confederation, what did they do? They went and started creating new states that was not agreed on, in Aburi.

Today 100s of months down the line, they still haven't adopted confederation. Ojukwu restructured Nigeria fairly, but other Nigerians have kept Nigeria skewed.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Naajjii: 3:44pm On May 03
Coldie:
If ironsi destroy regionalism and so?

We igbos don't support restructuring, what ironsi did is right.

Nigerias problem is corruption not our federal system of government
Hear yourself greedy Igbo " what Ironsi did was right", why are you nyamiri people complaining everyday of marginalisation by almajiris? Ironsi did that to dominate other region and control them but we were smarter than you nyamiri people. You people will never rule Nigeria, you can only rule yourselves in ESN IPOD controlled government.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by OfoIgbo: 4:03pm On May 03
pricklewane:
Why did Igbos in Aguiyi Ironai destroy regionalism ?

What was contained in confederalism that was lacking in regional government?

I have personally asked Kanu this question but till date no Igbo is intelligent enough to provide an answer.

For igbos that do not understand the 2. It is an exact replica of eating your cake n still wanting to have it. Igbos saw a prosperous Nigeria n out of greed wanted all it goodies to themselves but as fate will have it they lack the numbers to achieve that democratically n Azikwe finance a coup to enthroned himself there by ruining the democracy inherited from the British forever.

The coup Imposed a lunatic in Aguiyi Ironsi who truncated Regional Government n Imposed unitary govt so that the cocoa wealth from the West n ground nut wealth from the north will be brought under a foolish Igbo control in addition to the wealth from the East.

A counter coup depose Ironsi n Igbos declared war because the rest of Nigeria will not allow the wealth to be cornered by these bastards. They were soundly beaten and after losing the war n realizing unitary government they impose on others as taken their own wealth to the center where it is shared among wolves with little or nothing for them they concorted Aburi accord.

So I ask if all that was in Aburi accord was all Igbos wanted they should list 3 thing in it that does not exist in Regional government before they plan the coup to destroy it. If no Igbos is able to tell us 3 things that is in Aburi accord but missing when we had regional government why are igbo now asking for what we have always had without a fight ? Shouldn't Igbos admit their guilt in taking Nigeria through a needless war only to ask for all they we had before the war without a single thing more ?!



FIrst of all, I have never been a fan of Ironsi or Azikiwe.

But in support of Ironsi, he only suspended regionalism. He didn't abolish it. But before he could lift the suspension, northerners killed him, and yet northerners never considered lifting the suspension of regionalism

Again, Ojukwu arranged confederation for Nigeria, and Nigeria also refused to adopt confederation.

So basically, northerners do not want to lift the suspension on regionalism.
Also northerner do not want to adopt confederation, proposed by the Igbos.

The fault in the structure of Nigeria lies squarely with northerners and other Nigerians.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by OfoIgbo: 4:05pm On May 03
Oracleforce:


Shut up!/an average Yeebo person is dangerous to entrust power into his hands.....
Ironsi caused the civil war not Gowon.

Please go and study in those almajiri schoold GEJ opened up for you cow-shaggers.

Ironsi did not declare a war or police action. It was Gowon that did exactly that.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by wordcat(m): 4:08pm On May 03
theTranslator:
decasey inteltower wordcat 2elliot legendhero idiko1 quotasystem wirinet owobokiri pricklewane

no amount of revision can change history -the Translator 2021

Why were there still regional Governors during and 8months & some weeks after the death of Ironsi?
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Coldie(m): 4:12pm On May 03
Naajjii:

Hear yourself greedy Igbo " what Ironsi did was right", why are you nyamiri people complaining everyday of marginalisation by almajiris? Ironsi did that to dominate other region and control them but we were smarter than you nyamiri people. You people will never rule Nigeria, you can only rule yourselves in ESN IPOD controlled government.
Ab0ki... Go hit ur head for ground.

We will never rule Nigeria u are not God, all dz ur rubbish declarations can work with ur allah not me, our time shall come and there's nothing a nonentity like u can do.

Mumu
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by pricklewane: 4:12pm On May 03
If your brain is not damaged you will not be blaming those maintaining a status quo while those that deliberately consciously suspended an efficient system accepted by all Nigerians are glorified. Sometjing most definitely be wrong with the brains of many of you Igbos.


OfoIgbo:


FIrst of all, I have never been a fan of Ironsi or Azikiwe.

But in support of Ironsi, he only suspended regionalism. He didn't abolish it. But before he could lift the suspension, northerners killed him, and yet northerners never considered lifting the suspension of regionalism

Again, Ojukwu arranged confederation for Nigeria, and Nigeria also refused to adopt confederation.

So basically, northerners do not want to lift the suspension on regionalism.
Also northerner do not want to adopt confederation, proposed by the Igbos.

The fault in the structure of Nigeria lies squarely with northerners and other Nigerians.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Naajjii: 4:30pm On May 03
OfoIgbo:


FIrst of all, I have never been a fan of Ironsi or Azikiwe.

But in support of Ironsi, he only suspended regionalism. He didn't abolish it . But before he could lift the suspension, northerners killed him, and yet northerners never considered lifting the suspension of regionalism

Again, Ojukwu arranged confederation for Nigeria, and Nigeria also refused to adopt confederation.

So basically, northerners do not want to lift the suspension on regionalism.
Also northerner do not want to adopt confederation, proposed by the Igbos.

The fault in the structure of Nigeria lies squarely with northerners and other Nigerians.
what made him to conceive such idea of suspending regionalism in the first place?

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Naajjii: 4:38pm On May 03
okeyfrank:
IRONSI AND HIS TEAM LIVED THEIR LIVES

IF YOUR FATHER DID SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR HIS TIME AND DOES NOT WORK FOR YOUR OWN TIME, WHAT DO YOU DO? CHANGE IT.

BELOW ARE THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS LEFT FOR US AS NIGERIANS TO SALVAGE WHAT IS LEFT OF THIS PRESENT TERRORIST LED COUNTRY.
1)REGIONAL GOVT/DEVOLUTION OF POWER
2)BALKERNIZATION/DISMEMBERING OF NIGERIA


ANY OTHER OPTION IS A FAILURE ALREADY

THEY OPPRESSED PEOPLE OF NIGERIS HAVE HAD ENOUGH AND HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO THE WALL.

WE BETTER DO THE NEEDFUL AND AVERT THE IMMINENT DANGER

But your father set the foundation for the Nigeria we have today. you can not give us options to follow because such an option is what you think is good for you ,we also have our own option.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by OfoIgbo: 5:07pm On May 03
Naajjii:

what made him to conceive such idea of suspending regionalism in the first place?

Because he came in as a military ruler, and military people are much more in tune with command and control and with one person being the ultimate leader. He filled the void left by Nzeogwu and Ademoyega's coup. He was comfortably the head of the army and was happy in that position, before junior officers struck, because of the Fulanisation of that era being championed by the Sardauna of Sokoto.

He suspended it because of the above reason, and he didn't abolish it, because he knew he was only going to stay there for a short while, before democratic elections are held for another civilian to take over. A civilian administration would automatically remove the suspension placed on the unitary government.

But northerners killed him, and yet didn't remove the suspension. Rather the northerners refused to acquiesce to confederation, but instead further removed resource control and more powers from the regions and states.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Naajjii: 5:38pm On May 03
OfoIgbo:


Because he came in as a military ruler, and military people are much more in tune with command and control and with one person being the ultimate leader. He filled the void left by Nzeogwu and Ademoyega's coup. He was comfortably the head of the army and was happy in that position, before junior officers struck, because of the Fulanisation of that era being championed by the Sardauna of Sokoto.

He suspended it because of the above reason, and he didn't abolish it, because he knew he was only going to stay there for a short while, before democratic elections are held for another civilian to take over. A civilian administration would automatically remove the suspension placed on the unitary government.

But northerners killed him, and yet didn't remove the suspension. Rather the northerners refused to acquiesce to confederation, but instead further removed resource control and more powers from the regions and states.
Yes northerners killed him because igbo people started it by killing northerners and let their fellow Igbos like Azikwe to escape

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by QuotaSystem: 6:04pm On May 03
gidgiddy:


Its one of the many falsehoods peddled for many years, that decree 34 abolished Regionalism. It did not.

The simple way to know this is that all 4 Regions were existing and had resource control even on the day Ironsi died

The only thing Decree 34 dud was standardise the civil service

wordcat:


Why were there still regional Governors during and 8months & some weeks after the death of Ironsi?

Whoever fully implemented Ironsi's plan after his death is totally irrelevant to the meat of the matter - that Aguiyi Ironsi promulgated Decree 34 - the unification decree - the instrument through the regions were abolished.

What was Ironsi unifying? Kiss the truth kiss

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by QuotaSystem: 6:08pm On May 03
Naajjii:

But your father set the foundation for the Nigeria we have today. you can not give us options to follow because such an option is what you think is good for you ,we also have our own option.

Don't mind the bloody narcissists grin.

They will continue to chew the medicine they made for others.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Oracleforce: 6:09pm On May 03
OfoIgbo:


Please go and study in those almajiri schoold GEJ opened up for you cow-shaggers.

Ironsi did not declare a war or police action. It was Gowon that did exactly that.

Dumbass. I can't stool low to be engaging wit argument with you...because we are far apart...Nyamiri is curse you need to remove from your life and family
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by wirinet(m): 9:31pm On May 03
wordcat:


Why were there still regional Governors during and 8months & some weeks after the death of Ironsi?

Because Ironsi's regional governors were appointed by him and they take command from him just like Gowon's state governors. Before Ironsi, primiers of the regions did not take command from the prime minister or the president.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by wirinet(m): 9:33pm On May 03
Oracleforce:


Dumbass. I can't stool low to be engaging wit argument with you...because we are far apart...Nyamiri is curse you need to remove from your life and family
See person talking, a sentimental ignoramus feeling fly because he has access to a phone and some data. You cannot face me on any topic in any discipline.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Naajjii: 9:44pm On May 03
Coldie:

Ab0ki... Go hit ur head for ground.

We will never rule Nigeria u are not God, all dz ur rubbish declarations can work with ur allah not me, our time shall come and there's nothing a nonentity like u can do.

Mumu
Am not God but God doesnt support terrorists like ESN IPOD, you can only rule yourselves in your ESN territory

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Coldie(m): 10:54pm On May 03
Naajjii:

Am not God but God doesnt support terrorists like ESN IPOD, you can only rule yourselves in your ESN territory
Mumu shutup cheesy

I am just holding back not to sound like a tribalist if not I for mk u regret quoting me.


Don't push me
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by Oracleforce: 12:38pm On May 04
wirinet:

See person talking, a sentimental ignoramus feeling fly because he has access to a phone and some data. You cannot face me on any topic in any discipline.

Who is this ipob dog ranting on my comments...
Abeg, shoe get size oh!
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by survivor10(m): 2:01pm On May 04
Oracleforce:


Who is this ipob dog ranting on my comments...
Abeg, shoe get size oh!

Lol... Local champion.

May you never leave this your "almighty Nigeria"!

Boko Haram, bandits, Fulani herdsmen, kidnappers are using you and your fellow zombies for shooting practice
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by meccuno: 3:00pm On May 04
theTranslator:
I saw a thread trying to revise history
https://www.nairaland.com/6534250/aguiyi-ironsi-did-not-dissolve-regionalism/
that is a malicious attempt
to revise history and we the reasonable Nairalanders won't take such

Decree Number 34 of May 24, 1966, promulgated by Ironsi caused massive unrest in the Northern part of the country as the Northerners had gone against delimiting of regional powers as far back as 1959.
The decree made the centre strong, thereby abolishing the powers granted to the regions. In June 1966, Ironsi began a tour of the country (never to return to Lagos) and met with the Northern elite, assuring them of a united Nigeria. thehistoryville.com/


But, Ironsi was in a hurry to make an impression. In his May broadcast, he declared: “Nigeria shall on the 24th May, 1966 cease to be a federation and shall accordingly as from that day be a republic by the name of the Republic of Nigeria, consisting of the whole territory, which immediately before that day was comprised in a federation.” As federalism was abolished, the regions ceased to exist. From their ashes sprang up a group of territorial areas called provinces. Each region became a group of provinces, with a National Military Government at the centre. The late Head of State had also proposed a new economic plan, but it never saw the light of day....thenationonlineng.com

According to Ndayo Uko, the Decree no.2 was to serve "as a kind gesture to the press" to safeguard himself when he went on later to promulgate the Defamatory and Offensive Decree No.44 of 1966 which made it an "offense to display or pass on pictorial representation, sing songs, or play instruments the words of which are likely to provoke any section of the country." He also as per the proposals of a single man committee passed the controversial Unification Decree No. 34 aimed to unify Nigeria into a unitary state..... wikipedia.com
This matter has been trashed over and over again. Gowon was the person who dissolved the regions and not Ironsi. Why do these people have very shallow and stunted knowledge of history? Jeez.
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by gidgiddy: 3:25pm On May 04
meccuno:
[s][/s] This matter has been trashed over and over again. Gowon was the person who dissolved the regions and not Ironsi. Why do these people have very shallow and stunted knowledge of history? Jeez.

They have to keep peddling theur age old lie. How is it possible that Ironsi abolished the Regions when the Regions were existing the day he died? I will never understand how people cannot use the common sense to work out a simple thing
Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by meccuno: 3:42pm On May 04
gidgiddy:


They have to keep peddling theur age old lie. How is it possible that Ironsi abolished the Regions when the Regions were existing the day he died? I will never understand how people cannot use the common sense to work out a simple thing
When I saw the thread and the likes I was tired. How can Nigerians be so dvmb. The same lie that was peddled that the coup was an Igbo coup by the British and via the newspaper in Lagos not minding the fact that people from different tribes even Northerners participated. Well, am not surprised. A people who the white man has brain washed by religion can believe anything without thinking or using their brain.

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Re: Ironsi Destroyed Regionalism: Nobody Can Revise History! by peacekante: 3:50pm On May 04
NwaAro:


Bloviated Rubbish, you apes voted a disaster like Buhari with all his terrible antecedents when he was military head of state in the hopes of securing power in 2023, unfortunately that 2023 dream will surely backfire as power isn't going to the SW. Facts are sancrosants, security under PDP and OBJ was far better than the disaster we have in place now, how often did you hear about fulani massacres, kidnappings, communal clashes, armed robbery etc under OBJ? Buhari's administration in just 6 years of office had witnessed more deaths, ethnic divisions, and deep seethed insecurity than anytime under PDP (and that says alot because PDP was terrible).

You are the biggest liar to say Security now is worse than PDP. Security under PDP was a Disaster

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