Genesis 6:8:But noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
noah was a righteous man still he still need grace.
So when you say grace is a doctrine by men.. I wonder where you get utterance from.
Genesis 19:19: behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou has magnified thy mercy, which thou hast showed into me in saving my life, and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me,and I die. This prove grace unto repentance, since sinners sins will be forgiven. Mind you, I didn't say there two type of grace I said two levels. It's still the same grace we talking about. It's for deep understanding not shallow.
Romans 5:21: that as, sin hath and reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by jesus christ our Lord. Now the same grace supply is given to righteousness (good works).. Note the scripture says grace reign on righteousness not sin.. If you want to use grace to be comfortable in sin, you didn't tap into the Grace, you misuse it and judgement is over your head.. Grace unto Goodworks is that that occultic man is now a person with the virtues of God, and that man being  a righteous man may fall that not that  there is no hope to rise again.. If God want to be rigid with us no one will enter his kingdom and man will have gone into nonexistent right from the fall of Adam and eve.

Note in my post I signify that it's for Christian only in the heading, so you want me come up with hundreds of scripture to discuss with my fellow brethren, when they are not pagan. Scriptures on grace is so much, that it will be burdensome to qoute all. You don't need hundreds of scripture to prove things, I don't even think you go for evangelism sef, cos experience from evangelism will let you know that when you qoute john1vs1 and other  many scripture, a pagan will tell who is John first. If you want to depend on scripture to change people lol.. Its the Holy spirit that touch the heart of men. Even Lord jesus christ taught his disciples for so long, it was when he promised them the comforter Holy ghost he said they should go into the world and preach the gospel, and it was after the holyghost come on them that they spread out to preach to the world. .cuz that what authorize them to teach, that seal their sons ship with christ..so preaching without the Holy ghost is preaching without the witness (the spirit of truth).You need fire, fire is when you tell someone jesus love you, they start crying and confessing. Ive preached someone and he said he feels somehow inside him, and wish to be a virgin again. The Holy ghost communicated fire to him through me. When there is no witness of the Holy ghost in your teaching people will hear it, as just another moral lesson, some will even deceive you that they've changed so that you will let them rest, it won't strike a cord in their heart.ive you preached with fire in your utterance that people can't sleep, lose appetite. you think thats mere talking scripture.
So your preaching need to carry fire, the witness of the Holy spirit, not intellectual or oratory power. Or else you just be a talker and would gather people in iniquity be head over them as pastor.
My utterance are not friendly to the ears.. I don't care if you like me or not but I tell the truth, not make someone feel confortable in sin.
It's better for me to win 2soul only and the 2 stand to the end. Than gather hundred and non of them make it to the end.

Im a partaker of the Grace of God and many other people  too, i will forever be grateful to God.
If you have other meaning to grace, thats your problem.
If your teaching tells you its not grace saved you that your problem.
The problem is you didn't know what grace is, and you don't want it. You know about God and even in a distorted way, and that equals you don't know him, and you've not encountered him.
You can't tap into the Grace that you said doesn't exist that its is a lie. So stop misleading people... With your customised version of your own doctrine.

If I commit error, I'm not egostic that I won't come back an say I'm wrong.. When I said I don't preach hell.. People don't get what I mean by it.. So later I came back and apologies that they can mention hell. But not extremist hell preaching... If I have superiority complex, and refuse to come back..the Holy ghost will deal with me by demoting me in rank in the spirit . Brothers alive in the spirit can understand this.

THIS IS THE PROVE TO WHAT I SAID YESTERDAY.. EVERYONE CAN SEE WHO IS LYING.
Exodus 30:13
Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
moses is  asking for grace here? Brother Kobojunkie.by what you said. Grace is invented and tailored by men to suit men doctrine. Doesn't stand with true teaching of jesus christ.


John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
We are not subject to laws, but grace, Kobojunkie.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all...
Witness of the resurrection means holyspirit, great grace was given to them because they can't do the work by their own strength. Brother Kobojunkie.
Acts 14:26
And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. Grace unto good work. Here it is ooo. So you see the lie, I lied abi.
You may talk other things in this forum and be correct but what you said concerning grace is not inspired by the holyspirit.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Through graced we will be saved.your salvation by grace, pass through the journey with jesus christ by grace. Brother Kobojunkie Infact your moniker let me remember the word kobokobo in yoruba.
The spirit that's behind atheist using the Bible for blasphemy, is also the spirit that distort  and confuse people about the truth.

I hope you remember, that judgement on false teachers that you always qoute during arguments.. Its nice that you yourself know it, you won't say you're ignorant of it,. Normally I won't write long epistle like this, but you cross your boundaries by saying to me that I lie.
You called a witness of jesus christ a lair.
Never again comment on my post again,i won't entertain you orchestrating confusion.
But I advise you to pray for mercy.

PLS IF YOU'VE ENJOYED THE GRACE OF GOD HELP ME TELL THIS FALSE PREACHER KOBOJUNKIE AND THOSE SUBSCRIBING TO HIS FALSEHOOD ..
TO STOP IT.

Don't waste my time with your ramblings...get to responding to the questions I asked you on the previous thread

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Propheticdavid:
Grace is the product of the love God extended to mankind. Love can't be at one side. God extends his love by virtue of his grace to you, you are expected to return the love by your good works. That what confirms that you received grace.
What Grace preachers are getting wrong is that:there are two levels of grace extended to us from God.
GRACE UNTO REPENTANCE AND GRACE UNTO GOOD WORKS.
let me explain :
Every sinner is given the grace to repent from their sin and follow jesus christ.. No matter how drenched or deep in sin. Or how greatly they've sinned before.(infact in sin we were born)PSALM51:5:behold, I was sharpen in iniquity:and in sin did my mother conceive me... . That is GRACE UNTO REPENTANCE.
Now that the sinner repented truly, and was baptised with the spirit of grace (holy spirit) and to empower them to exhibit the the fruit of the Holy spirit ( good works) . That's GRACE UNTO GOOD WORKS.
ZACHARIAH 12:10:I WILL POUR UPON THE HOUSE OF DAVID, AND UPON THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM, THE SPIRIT OF GRACE AND OF SUPPLICATIONS:AND THEY SHALL LOOK UPON ME WHOM THEY WILL HAVE PIERCED, AND THEY SHALL MOURN FOR HIM, AS ONE MOURNETH FOR HIS ONLY SON, AND SHALL BE IN BITTERNESS FOR HIM, AS ONE IN BITTERNESS FOR HUS FIRSTBORN.

GRACE UNTO GOOD Works is so powerful that if the believer,commit an offence or error by disobedience against the Holy spirit...he can rise again if he is truly sorry because the Holy spirit will convict him and refires him to continue in the journey with Christ.
That why a brethren can commit error by his negligence in prayer, disobedience to the Holy spirit, that's doesn't stop his healing annoiting to disappear immediately.
But he is playing with his rank and promotion in the spirit. (his boat is sinking gradually)

THAT'S WHAT GRACE WITHOUT WORK  PREACHERS   LIKE TO HEAR
, but they don't know that you can't deceive God, because he knows when you are truly sorry, he sees through the heart of men.
One of the greatest height of iniquity is when you sin deliberately because there is grace, such  grace will not work.
ROMANS 6:1:WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, THAT GRACE SHOULD ABOUND?.

REASON MANY ARE STILL BABIES IS THAT THEY'VE NOT TAKEN HOLINESS HAS A LIFE AND DEATH ISSUES. UNTIL THEN THEY WILL REMAIN BABIES.
POWERLESS CHRISTIANS.

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1. You claim there are 2 levels of grace... where in scripture is this idea from?

2. Why would a one require grace to repent from his sins, and why does one need grace in order to do works?

3. Does a child who has erred need some special motivation in order to realize he ought to repent and beg his parents forgiveness?

4. Does a servant need some special oomph to know that he has to do the work that has been allotted Him by His master?

Jesus Christ came full of two things : eternal life of God which is translated as grace in some Bible translation and the Truth of God. Those who prescribe special meaning to that which is presented only create more doctrines and traditions of men, lies with which to deceive others, against God's commandment.

This is the exact comment from the other thread... respond please.

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1. I can't seem to find a Zachariah 20 vs 12.

2. Grace, the popular definition, is wrong when compared to grace of God as spoken of in scripture which refers to the eternal life we receive from God, grace from the judgement of Death for those of us gentiles.

3. What God offers us in Jesus Christ is a contract, the New Covenant agreemnt between God and man, so the question of whether we "merit" a thing of not is meaningless where God and Jesus Christ is concerned. What this means is that definition of grace that speaks of the meaningless has nothing to do with God for it is of men trying to deceive and confuse themselves with where God is concerned.

Grace is not about eternal life. Grace is another word for eternal life which we r3cieve through Jesus Christ. And understand that grace has been in existence since the very beginning for it the same grace that is given to those men who proved themselves righteous by the old ways. None of them woke up one day, finding themselves righteous in the sight of God. Instead they proved themselves worthy of God's grace through their obedience of His commandments and statutes. In Ezekiel 18, God speaks extensively on the same grace where He declares that the man who does good works will live.

Jesus Christ is the Law of God as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned, His teachings are the very details of that Law. His grace which everyone who is saved and reborn receive is the eternal life promised to all those who will believe as part of the contract agreement. That same grace is then to be spent either in Hell or in Heaven depends on how a one approaches dealing with the terms and condition of the contract that is Jesus Christ.

By romanticizing the concept of grace, men have succeeded in creating for themselves doctrines and traditions, lies , they teach in the name of God, deceiving many into making an idol of that which God never intended them to. The grace of God is not meant to be worshipped or taught as replacement for the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by Jesus Christ Himself.

Kobojunkie:
This is the exact comment from the other thread... respond please.

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1. I can't seem to find a Zachariah 20 vs 12.

2. Grace, the popular definition, is wrong when compared to grace of God as spoken of in scripture which refers to the eternal life we receive from God, grace from the judgement of Death for those of us gentiles.

3. What God offers us in Jesus Christ is a contract, the New Covenant agreemnt between God and man, so the question of whether we "merit" a thing of not is meaningless where God and Jesus Christ is concerned. What this means is that definition of grace that speaks of the meaningless has nothing to do with God for it is of men trying to deceive and confuse themselves with where God is concerned.

Grace is not about eternal life. Grace is another word for eternal life which we r3cieve through Jesus Christ. And understand that grace has been in existence since the very beginning for it the same grace that is given to those men who proved themselves righteous by the old ways. None of them woke up one day, finding themselves righteous in the sight of God. Instead they proved themselves worthy of God's grace through their obedience of His commandments and statutes. In Ezekiel 18, God speaks extensively on the same grace where He declares that the man who does good works will live.

Jesus Christ is the Law of God as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned, His teachings are the very details of that Law. His grace which everyone who is saved and reborn receive is the eternal life promised to all those who will believe as part of the contract agreement. That same grace is then to be spent either in Hell or in Heaven depends on how a one approaches dealing with the terms and condition of the contract that is Jesus Christ.

By romanticizing the concept of grace, men have succeeded in creating for themselves doctrines and traditions, lies , they teach in the name of God, deceiving many into making an idol of that which God never intended them to. The grace of God is not meant to be worshipped or taught as replacement for the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ as taught by Jesus Christ Himself.

THIS IS THE PROVE TO WHAT I SAID YESTERDAY.. EVERYONE CAN SEE WHO IS LYING.
Exodus 30:13
Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
moses is  asking for grace here? Brother Kobojunkie.by what you said. Grace is invented and tailored by men to suit men doctrine. Doesn't stand with true teaching of jesus christ.


John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
We are not subject to laws, but grace, Kobojunkie.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all...
Witness of the resurrection means holyspirit, great grace was given to them because they can't do the work by their own strength. Brother Kobojunkie.
Acts 14:26
And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. Grace unto good work. Here it is ooo. So you see the lie, I lied abi.
You may talk other things in this forum and be correct but what you said concerning grace is not inspired by the holyspirit.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Through graced we will be saved.your salvation by grace, pass through the journey with jesus christ by grace. Brother Kobojunkie Infact your moniker let me remember the word kobokobo in yoruba.
The spirit that's behind atheist using the Bible for blasphemy, is also the spirit that distort  and confuse people about the truth.

I hope you remember, that judgement on false teachers that you always qoute during arguments.. Its nice that you yourself know it, you won't say you're ignorant of it,. Normally I won't write long epistle like this, but you cross your boundaries by saying to me that I lie.
You called a witness of jesus christ a lair.
Never again comment on post again,i won't entertain you orchestrating confusion.
But I advise you to pray for mercy.

Propheticdavid:
i dont even bother to read it.you have argumentative syndrome..maybe you sturdy theology or not ..you need the holyghost..there is difference between gathering bible pasages and being saturated with the word of God.i rest my case

Keep mentioning the Spirit of God as if by doing so you legitimize this lie of an idea of grace that is not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

When John the Baptist came with teaching the people repentance, what special "grace unto repentance" of sins did John offer the people except for the command that they repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand?

Why did the same John the Baptist rail against the Pharisees, demanding they change their hearts to show themselves worthy of repentance?

Matthew 3 vs 7 - 10(ERV)

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7. Many Pharisees and Sadducees came to where John was baptizing people. When John saw them, he said, “You are all snakes! Who warned you to run from God’s judgment that is coming?
8. Change your hearts! And show by the way you live that you have changed.
9. I know what you are thinking. You want to say, ‘but Abraham is our father!’ That means nothing. I tell you, God could make children for Abraham from these rocks.
10. The ax is now ready to cut down the trees. Every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

Why didn't John instead speak to them of this special grace unto repentance of sins you spoke of earlier?

John came preaching repentance to the people and he taught them of no such special grace available to help them repent from their wicked ways. He instead taught that they had to prove themselves worthy of repentance by changing their hearts and lives for to recieve repentance which they sought.

I pity this boy.. But you are not worth being pitiful for.
REMEMBER YESTERDAY THAT YOU CALL ME A LAIR..
AND ALSO TODAY THAT I ENDURE THE INCONVENIENCE AND YOU TROW STONE AT THE TRUTH..
I WON'T SAY MORE THAN THAT.

Propheticdavid:


THIS IS THE PROVE TO WHAT I SAID YESTERDAY.. EVERYONE CAN SEE WHO IS LYING.
Exodus 30:13
Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
moses is  asking for grace here? Brother Kobojunkie.by what you said. Grace is invented and tailored by men to suit men doctrine. Doesn't stand with true teaching of jesus christ.


John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
We are not subject to laws, but grace, Kobojunkie.

Acts 4:33
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all...
Witness of the resurrection means holyspirit, great grace was given to them because they can't do the work by their own strength. Brother Kobojunkie.
Acts 14:26
And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled. Grace unto good work. Here it is ooo. So you see the lie, I lied abi.
You may talk other things in this forum and be correct but what you said concerning grace is not inspired by the holyspirit.

Acts 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Through graced we will be saved.your salvation by grace, pass through the journey with jesus christ by grace

. Brother Kobojunkie Infact your moniker let me remember the word kobokobo in yoruba.
The spirit that's behind atheist using the Bible for blasphemy, is also the spirit that distort  and confuse people about the truth.

I hope you remember, that judgement on false teachers that you always qoute during arguments.. Its nice that you yourself know it, you won't say you're ignorant of it,. Normally I won't write long epistle like this, but you cross your boundaries by saying to me that I lie.
You called a witness of jesus christ a lair.
Never again comment on post again,i won't entertain you orchestrating confusion.
But I advise you to pray for mercy.

1. Where exactly do you have me stating that grace is invented and doesn't stand with the true teaching of Jesus Christ?

2. How does this "Witness of the resurrection means holyspirit, great grace was given to them because they can't do the work by their own strength" relate to what is written in Acts 4 vs 33?

3. How did you get this, "Through graced we will be saved.your salvation by grace, pass through the journey with jesus christ by grace" from what is written there in Acts 15 vs 11?

4. How did you get this , "Grace unto good work. Here it is ooo. So you see the lie, I lied abi.
You may talk other things in this forum and be correct but what you said concerning grace is not inspired by the holyspirit." from reading Acts 14 vs 26?

5. I already know one thing about you and that is you make every move to throw lies and whatever else you can at a one who opposes your view in an attempt to claim superiority of an imagined kind.

Propheticdavid:
you replied goshen 360.that grace is full of eternal life,now you contradict yourselve,it is not about eternal life again and want to invent a your own meaning of grace.kai..grace is grace.faith without work is nothing also means grace with work is nothing. You cant omit one and leave the other. God bless you sir

Contradict myself when what I posted to Goshen360 was that the grace which Jesus Christ was said to have been full of is Eternal life of God which Jesus Christ is.

Read what I wrote there please! In John 1, you are told that Jesus Christ came full of grace and Truth, where you not. The very same Jesus Christ went on to explaining to you that He is the Truth and the eternal Life (grace) of God, did He not?

The same Jesus Christ goes on to explain beginning in John 8, that in order to overcome bondage to sin, you are expected to adopt and submit to obedience of His commandments/teachings , declaring that those who refuse are of their father, the devil. He offered no special oomph juice of grace when He declared in John 14 that those who indeed love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings/commandments, indicating that everyone ought to carry their cross and do exactly as He did.

In Isaiah, we learn that Jesus Christ had to suffer in order to learn submit and obey the commandments of God, and there in John 15, the very same Jesus Christ commands all His followers to do as He did by trusting and obeying the teachings/commandments He gave us, just as He also had to. So, what grace unto good works is there?

Propheticdavid:
agreeing to disagree later means assuming you wrong,so you can find out the truth or stumble on the truth later..sooner or later you will.you have no power to validate what i write ,cus i write not of my own accord. you know lying is not good,are you filled with the holyspirit,have you encountered God as of the day of pentecost.no lie o.are you?.

If you know the truth so much, why are you still unable to directly counter any of what I have said or asked you on this issue still?

I mean in have posted at least 5 questions that you could have chosen to response to but instead you go on and on about how you know better because you believe the Spirit of God is in you and not me. Is He really meant to be used in such a way?

Jesus Christ, even God never said that His Spirit would provide us a special interpretation of any kind of His truth... instead Jesus Christ urged us all to use the understanding we have where His Truth is concerned. More understanding will be given to those who use what they have. As for those who do not, the little they have will be taken away from them. No mention of Spirit of God providing a private interpretation of any kind .

If I am able to read and clearly comprehend the Truth of Jesus Christ, the Word of God Himself, as it is written, why do you declare that your own brand of truth will become indecipherable for me eventually? Are you sure the power you speak of is in accord with the Truth of Jesus Christ?

Propheticdavid:
one of the problem this guy kobojunkie has is dat,it is one thing not to agree to something..its another thing to condem the message and the bearer because you dont agree with them..,it shows your obedience is not full..the funny thing is that years later they will realise they are wrong.after calling the spirit of truth liar.

This has nothing to do with me wanting you to agree with me.

I have asked you several questions about your claimed truths so far, and instead you ignore them , yet continuing to proclaim that you have a superior grasp of the Truth of God.

My obedience is not full? Obedience to whom? There you go again with the ridiculous claims.

Calling the Spirit of Truth a liar? why not reveal that the Spirit inside of you is indeed the Spirit of Truth by responding to the questions posed you?

Propheticdavid:

Thats the problem you interpret the bible in your understanding.i donot force my messg on,nor force you to commnt, those blessd,have been blessd by it. i didnt reply most of your argument because its devoid of understand.its one to know,its one to understand. its written that you should use your understanding to read your bible .wow. That explain it all..whereas in my bible its dat he that lack understand let him ask.

I am afraid you lie when you accuse me of applying an interpretation of some kind to what is written there in plain human language in the bible.

The books of your Bible are written by humans in human language, to be read and comprehended by human minds through the application and use of basic human language comprehension skills. There is absolutely no special interpretation necessary and God never said He provides you with a Spirit to interpret His Word for you either.. that claim is a lie against God.

You didn't reply my argument because you judged it lacking in understanding even though it was directed at claims made by you? So you have understanding enough to make claims but you somehow don't have understanding enough to respond to questions regarding the claims you make with your supposed understanding?

Do you know what "understanding" really is? It is a pointer of sorts to a combination of knowledge and the wisdom to adequately apply that knowledge. So I am thinking that the word understanding is far from what you really have there since you can't seem to respond to any questions directed at the claims made by you. Please stop trying to teach that which you clearly do not have adequate understanding of as that is no different from working on behalf of the devil in this.

Propheticdavid:
Bro, the bible is a spiritual book,there is a limit to what your carnal mind can decipher,its deeper than what you think.you may know that A is A,if you want to know the reason why its A, if you want deep understanding and revelations you need.the holyghost.if you have the holyghost and you are preaching and i hear things you say fire will arise in me...alot of things i know,i learn it from the holyghost he download it into my spirit and sometimes he speak into my earing early in morning somtimes evening.i pray b4 posting mssg and pray after.im in the spirit fire arising in me when i write...when i sturdy the bible and get stuck i ask the holyghost..what i say is true,im not here to elevate my self.never. I wish i can see face to face i dont really know how to argue online.the level that you are maybe the reason why you are not receptive to it later you will understand...pls i beg,seek to be filled with the holyghost.then undestandin,revelations.knowledge,power will be yours.you will thank me later.

1. Where in the Bible is this claim of it being a "spiritual book" to be found?

2. You claim there is a limit to what the carnal mind can understand yet Jesus Christ taught His disciples, all of them carnal minds, His Truth for a period of about 3 years and those same carnal minds He sent out to teach the same Truth He taught them to the world?

3. Where in a scripture can I find the claim you made about a deeper understanding only being revealed to those who have the Holy ghost?

4. Where in the scripture can I find, substantiated, this claim that you made about the teachings of the Holy Ghost causing fire to arise in those listening?

Propheticdavid:
Bro, the bible is a spiritual book, there is a limit to what your carnal mind can decipher, its deeper than what you think.you may know that A is A, if you want to know the reason why its A, if you want deep understanding and revelations you need.the holy ghost.if you have the holy ghost and you are preaching and i hear things you say fire will arise in me...a lot of things i know, i learn it from the holy ghost he download it into my spirit and sometimes he speak into my earing early in morning somtimes evening. i pray b4 posting mssg and pray after. im in the spirit fire arising in me when i write...when i sturdy the bible and get stuck i ask the holy ghost..what i say is true, im not here to elevate my self.never. I wish i can see face to face i dont really know how to argue online.the level that you are maybe the reason why you are not receptive to it later you will understand...pls i beg, seek to be filled with the holy ghost. then undestandin, revelations. knowledge, power will be yours.you will thank me later.

Splendid

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in the Bible is this claim of it being a "spiritual book" to be found?

Galatians 5:17a
'For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit,
and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.'

Romans 8:5
'Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires;
but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires'

Kobojunkie:
2. You claim there is a limit to what the carnal mind can understand yet Jesus Christ taught His disciples, all of them carnal minds, His Truth for a period of about 3 years and those same carnal minds He sent out to teach the same Truth He taught them to the world?

John 12:16
'His disciples did not understand [the meaning of] these things at first;
but when Jesus was glorified and exalted, they remembered that these things had been written about Him and had been done to Him.'

Jesus Christ' disciples didnt understand everything He taught. John 12:16 above is an example of just one out of many instances of them not understanding everything immediately

Kobojunkie:
3. Where in a scripture can I find the claim you made about a deeper understanding only being revealed to those who have the Holy ghost?

John 14:26
'But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name,
he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.'

Kobojunkie:
4. Where in the scripture can I find, substantiated, this claim that you made about the teachings of the Holy Ghost causing fire to arise in those listening?

Matthew 3:11
'I baptize you with water for repentance,
but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry.
He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.'

Acts 4:13
'And when they had prayed, the place where they were meeting together was shaken [a sign of God’s presence];
and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak the word of God with boldness and courage.'

Propheticdavid:
PLS IF YOU'VE ENJOYED THE GRACE OF GOD HELP ME TELL THIS FALSE PREACHER KOBOJUNKIE AND THOSE SUBSCRIBING TO HIS FALSEHOOD ..
TO STOP IT.

Ephesians 2:4-9
'4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy,
5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses.
It is by grace you have been saved!
6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace,
demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith,
and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9not by works, so that no one can boast.'

A brick could be flipped over and turned endlessly, but it still won't turn and start your car, a car key or push button, though, with grace, will

Satan says: Look At Your Sin
God says: Look At My Son

God Himself supplies the necessary condition to come to Jesus, thats why its called 'Sola Gratis', by grace alone, that we are saved.
Grace is a gift that cannot be earned, but only receive

God's grace, mercy and blessing(s) give me hope not just for myself, but for the www, whole wide world too.
Grace, is when God gives us good things that we don't deserve.
Mercy, is when He spares us from bad things we deserve.
Blessings, are when He is generous with both

In God's garden of grace, even a broken tree, can bear good fruit. The law, condemns the best of us, but grace, sweet, beautiful and wonderful divine grace, saves, the worst of us.

Grace is always, you just have to make yourself receptive to grace. Failing to fully embrace grace, would be a real disgrace and so, I'll hold myself to a standard of grace, not perfection (i.e. 2 Corinthians 12:9) His grace is enough/sufficient for me. Everything I am, everything I have, all are because and down to God's grace and favour

Grace, according to the dictionary, is the undeserved, unmerited, unearned, favour of God toward mankind and expresses two complementary thoughts, which are: God's unmerited favor to us through Jesus Christ, and God's divine assistance to us through the Holy Spirit.

Grace is a Person, and His name is Jesus Christ (i.e. Ephesians 2:8-9 above), so, PLS THIS FALSE PREACHER KOBOJUNKIE AND THOSE SUBSCRIBING TO HIS FALSEHOOD STOP IT.

Kobojunkie is a confused man hiden himself on christian section, I pity those that have time to argue with him.. if you argue with him you will realise he is nothing but confused...
Sense he doesn't have, only nonsense full his head.
Atheist, Muslims and confused people are those who enjoys his comment...
I don't know where he got his own understanding from, if you want to put confusion in a thread just mention him, he will get you and everyone on the thread confused and when you calm down to understand what he is saying you will realise he just senseless and confused...

Kings999:
Kobojunkie is a confused man hiden himself on christian section, I pity those that have time to argue with him.. if you argue with him you will realise he is nothing but confused...
Sense he doesn't have, only nonsense full his head.
Atheist, Muslims and confused people are those who enjoys his comment...
I don't know where he got his own understanding from, if you want to put confusion in a thread just mention him, he will get you and everyone on the thread confused and when you calm down to understand what he is saying you will realise he just senseless and confused...

Thank you for the compliment confirming I am actually not one of your kind.... too blind to see what is right in front on them yet too self-absorbed to realize their blindness... Jesus Christ spoke of people like you !