madegreatbygrace:
“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He will be the most exalted among kings and rulers. This was entirely fulfilled in David, who occupied a pre-eminence among princes and rulers which no other king did. Most especially, he was the ancestor of the Messiah, the “King of kings, and Lord of lords” .
Any contrary view to this is agonizingly fraudulent

madegreatbygrace:
“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


God is speaking here.

He will make David his firstborn

If Jesus is God’s firstborn according to you, then David can’t be God’s firstborn again. Unless you have two firstborns in your family !

There’s therefore only one solution to this unnecessary puzzle.

The use of firstborn in the foregoing is figurative.

It is not literal.

So when you put all of these together, you’ll only arrive at a destination.

David shall be regarded and treated by God as the first-born son is in a family .

That is , with distinguished favor and honor.

He will be accorded the same preeminence bestowed on the firstborn.
Compare Genesis 27:19; Genesis 29:26; Exodus 4:22; Exodus 13:12; Jeremiah 31:9.

He will be the most exalted among kings and rulers. This was entirely fulfilled in David, who occupied a pre-eminence among princes and rulers which no other king did. Most especially, he was the ancestor of the Messiah, the “King of kings, and Lord of lords” .

Any contrary view to this is agonizingly fraudulent!

haddeylium:

That was a prophetic statement unless you mean David 'as king' became preeminence that his descendant king, Jesus Christ(1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16).

How you ignore the lexical sense and context cracks me up
really? you didn't even address that. You just biasedly chose the part that suit your doctrine. The Bible should define the truth not your doctrine.

Consider these various instances and see how doctrines will make you act towards the end.

Matthew 1:25(KJV)- And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
luke 2:7-And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling
Rom 8:29- that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
Hebrews 1:6-But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth
Col 1: 15- the firstborn of all creation;

Thissss

Janosky:


Hebrews 1:6,God's first born in heaven is Mary's first born on earth, Luke 2:7.

Shikena !

haddeylium:


'he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth'

How much more could a scripture be so clear
What Trinity dogma can do to proper reasoning is wild

madegreatbygrace:



Oh, I see. Now tell me, how is firstborn used in the scripture below ?

“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This refers to David. You are not going to tell me this is about Christ.

Surely not!

[quote author=haddeylium post=103022342]
That was a prophetic statement unless you mean David 'as king' became preeminence that his descendant king, Jesus Christ(1 Tim 6:15; Rev 19:16).

How you ignore the lexical sense and context cracks me up
really? you didn't even address that. You just biasedly chose the part that suit your doctrine. The Bible should define the truth not your doctrine.

Consider these various instances and see how doctrines will make you act towards the end.

Matthew 1:25(KJV)- And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
luke 2:7-And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling
Rom 8:29- that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
Hebrews 1:6-But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth
Col 1: 15- the firstborn of all creation;

Thissss

madegreatbygrace:


By saying it was prophetic, I assume you meant the scripture was referring to Christ. Isn’t it?

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it's a Messianic Psalm about Jesus, and that verse in particular speaking about Jesus.

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it's a Messianic Psalm about Jesus, and that verse in particular speaking about Jesus.

madegreatbygrace:






I agree that psalm 89 is a messianic psalm. A messianic psalm speaks of the person and works of the Messiah.


However, the fact that it’s a messianic psalm doesn’t imply that every verse or portion of that chapter speaks of the Messiah.


Then, how can one recognize a Messianic psalm?

When there is a reference to the Messiah in a psalm, and it is also applied to Christ and expounded in the New Testament.

Sometimes a whole psalm applies to Christ, e.g., Psalm 22.

Sometimes a paragraph, e.g., Psalm 40:6-10.

Sometimes several verses, e.g., Psalm 69:4, 9, 21. Sometimes a single verse, e.g., Psalm 41:9.

Some of the psalms are occupied entirely with the Person and the thoughts and feelings of our Lord while others clearly refer to the experience of the psalmist, and then there is included an isolated reference to the Messiah.

A good example is Psalm 69 when David exclaims:

“O God, thou knowest my foolishness, and my sins are not hid from Thee,” he obviously is referring to himself (v. 5).

But when he says: “They gave me…gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (v. 21), and these words are applied to Christ in Matthew 27:34, 48, they are clearly Messianic. So we must be careful to distinguish between the spiritual experience of the writer of the psalm and the prophetic reference to Christ Himself.

Then let’s look at Psalm 89 contextually

“Also I will make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for him forever, And My covenant shall stand firm with him. His seed also I will make to endure forever, And his throne as the days of heaven. “If his sons forsake My law And do not walk in My judgments, If they break My statutes And do not keep My commandments, Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, And their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not utterly take from him, Nor allow My faithfulness to fail. My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips. Once I have sworn by My holiness; I will not lie to David:”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:27-35‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Psalm 89 expounds the Davidic covenant fulfilled by David’s greater Son, the Messiah.

It says in verse 29 :

“His seed also I will make to endure forever, And his throne as the days of heaven.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭89:29‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

We both know Christ is David’s seed according to the flesh.

“concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The seed that endures forever is Christ. Whose seed again?

David’s seed.

Therefore, v27 is referring to David and not the messiah.

Case closed

Janosky:
Oga Bros, there are several "first borns" approved by God in your Bible- Israel, Reuben, David, Jesus, Isaac etc.
Each of them are members of God's family of believers, the People chosen to bear Jehovah's name, 2 Chro7:14 & Acts 15:7-14. Acts 3:13

You rightly pointed out that first borns were "with distinguished favor and honor."



Genesis 4:19 & Colossians 1:15, in the case of both Reuben and Jesus Christ, their claims to preeminence as first born was literal.
That is the true meaning of first born of "every Creature"/Son (in the case of Jesus/Reuben).
The 1599 Geneva Bible @ Colossians 1:15 puts it succinctly.

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So you know there are several firstborn in the Bible which are used literally and Jesus Christ is one but you and your lying brothers have been interpreting "Firstborn of every Creature" to mean FIRSTCREATED BEING

You can even see how your darling Geneva Bible is exposing your lying mouth the mouth.

This post needs to be bookmarked!

Emusan:


So you know there are several firstborn in the Bible which are used literally and Jesus Christ is one but you and your lying brothers have been interpreting "Firstborn of every Creature" to mean FIRSTCREATED BEING

[s]You can even see how your darling Geneva Bible is exposing your lying mouth the mouth.
[/s]
This post needs to be bookmarked!

Genesis 4:19 & Colossians 1:15, in the case of both Reuben and Jesus Christ, their claims to preeminence as first born was literal.

John 1:1 Geneva Bible,
Jesus "the Word is first begotten before both worlds"

That is , Jesus the Word is first CREATED before both worlds" (the world of heaven & earth) .
Emusan LIENUS & his friends, You guys can't TWIST that statement in the Geneva Bible.
God possessed his son, Wisdom in the same manner God possessed heaven and earth.
The works HE created, Genesis 14:19,22.
The same God possessed you & the womb you came out from, Psalms 139:13-15

The same Geneva Bible, your Trinity mentors @ Proverbs 8:22 proven that "Wisdom/Jesus Christ" was CREATED before the works of old"


Emusan LIENUS, the 1599 Geneva Bible @ Colossians 1:15 & John 1:1 proven you're a LIAR.

madegreatbygrace:




No mind them jare my brother. Some will sink to the lowest depth to defend warped doctrines. His accomplice has suddenly gone into hiding after he was humbled. I’ve never met such dishonest and insincere bunch.

Your Trinity mentors ,the Geneva Bible referenced Proverbs 8:22 & John 1:1 together.

Therefore, proven that Colossians 1:15 is super accurate.
Genesis 4:19 & Colossians 1:15 "first born of every son is what it is.. anti Trinity.
The Word, Jesus is first created before both worlds of heaven and earth.
Emusan LIENUS, the word Jesus is a not a mere speech of God's mouth, John 1:1 Geneva Bible.
Your lie on Nairaland exposed.


Bros, swallow the bitter pill of Bible truth.
Your KJV can't hush it.
Reno Omokri no tell una ?

Preciousgirl:
Jws claim that, their God first created Jesus Christ (Angel Michael) and subsequently Angel Michael created all other things ; corrupting Colossians 1:16.

Wheras the Truth in Colossians 1:16 reads ALL THINGS were created by HIM (JESUS), the jw corrupted Bible says (ALL OTHER THINGS) were created through him.

The jws thus have TWO Creators . But what does the Bible say about the creator?

Job 9:8-9
[8] He alone spreads out the heavens, And treads on the waves of the sea;
[9]He made the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south;

Jw is false doctrine, flee for your eternal life

Bless you.

Bishopkingsley:


Jesus is God
Only God can reveal to people that Jesus is God

As for jehova witness
Jehova witness error is from pit of hell

madegreatbygrace:


You’ve suddenly gone quite. Trust you’re doing pretty well. Nevertheless, I await your response on this.

madegreatbygrace:






I agree that psalm 89 is a messianic psalm. A messianic psalm speaks of the person and works of the Messiah.