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Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:25pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: Will I be allowed to rear my pigs and move them on foot from Sokoto to Bauchi? 2 Likes |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:25pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Agbegbaorogboye:That is the problem. These guys don't follow laws. They make their own laws and follow it. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by baralatie(m): 4:25pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:Cows and Land are not the same thing with respect to the constitution of Nigeria! The constitution of Nigeria through the Land use Act places the Use of land totally in the power,control of state Government.it can determine what the land is to be used for and how it should be used! The federal government itself does not have powers over the ownership of cows,goats,sheep,dog,pigs etc. The constitution recognized that private individuals can own,buy and sale cows,goats,sheep and dogs even! Now if a herdsmen wants to move his herds of cattle he cannot trespass on the use of land but he can apply to the state for the use of land Therefore if a state says it has no land for cattle he has no choice but to move to another place |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
yorubarere: Cows are attacked and burnt even when kept in rented lands in the south. The average herder can not afford ranching, ranching is expensive, if ranching is practised, the cost of cow meat will increase by 100% The purpose of going to the bushes is for cows to eat grasses for free. Now trespassing on people's farm lands is illegal and even the association of fulani herdmen will compensate you if an herder trespass on farm lands. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:33pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
baralatie: Point of correction. The AGF never confused the President. It's actually the other way round. The president mandated him to go unearth the grazing reserve law of 1966 to put those noisy southerners in their place |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:34pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:All you are writing are silly excuses. If cows are expensive, people will still buy and those who can't will seek better alternatives. How many cattle ranches were attacked in the south? The purpose of going into bushes is to cut cost of your business at the expense of the land owners. No land whether farming or not is free land.. going on such lands to graze your cows is trespassing. Come up with other excuses pls 1 Like |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by notym2chektym: 4:35pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
The Fulanis think Buhari is doing them a favor but he is only setting them up against the masses. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Biodun556(m): 4:35pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: https://www.nairaland.com/6603093/fulanis-know-these-little-facts There's no how you will move cow without transgressing in the Southwest because every where is occupied |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 4:37pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
baralatie: When you buy a dog, a goat or a chicken, do you apply for a land use act to put these animals on your land?? How come you created and spin a new law because of herders. If a cow herders rents a land and put his cows on that land, is he the one to pay for land use. And i dont see what law the herder has broken if he transport his cows and put it in a land in the south which he rented or owned. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:37pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Agbegbaorogboye:And the gazette is for northern region in 1964 not applicable to the default West, Midwest and South east. So the president and his subordinates are confused. Bunch of illiterates occupying the highest seats in the lands. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by AbaLion: 4:37pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
omonnakoda:The guy didn't respond to any of your superior arguments. E dey avoid you like AIDS.. You must be his worst nightmare. -Lion |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 4:39pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
yorubarere: You claim land owners?? In the bushes, many lands have no owners and many lands have no farm on them. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 4:43pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Agbegbaorogboye: Pigs and cows are 2 different animals. Cows need lot of space to rear, pigs do not need space. Between a pig cant not go by foot on a long distance, a cow can. Most ranchers buy acres of lands because cows need lot of movement |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:43pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:That is your ignorance. The lands either belongs to individuals or state govt. No land is free. So dead that idea. Whether the land is developed for farming or other things or left untouch is not the discussion. Lands that doesn't belong to anyone or family belongs to the state govt. I hope we are clear on this and you can advise your people to ranch their cows and buy grass. 2 Likes |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:44pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: Are the cows sold for free? Buying petrol is too expensive in my opinion. The average Nigerian worker cannot afford 20L/day and people need it as a means of facilitating their right to free movement. Do you agree with this assertion? 1 Like |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by notym2chektym: 4:45pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:What do you expect when your herders invade peoples' farmland , graze on their crops and when they complain they are killed. Will the people just fold their hands and do nothing |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by baralatie(m): 4:45pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Agbegbaorogboye:The funny thing is this law was meant to protect the pastoralist herdsmen in the northern region of Nigeria He and his military governor's were the ones that suspended that constitution . That law is not in the 1999 constitution |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:47pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:@ your bolded. Says who? I hope u saw the pig farm Aketi just opened in ondo state. See you guys are getting left behind in scheme of things. Try to embrace 21st century in your cattle farming system and watch out for huge returns. You know how many calories cows burns running around? That could translate to more meat and milk. Ranch your cattle, feed them and give them proper hygiene and healthcare. You will be grateful to those who advised you for that. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by notym2chektym: 4:48pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
yorubarere:Exactly they should do away with that entitlement mentality. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:50pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
yorubarere: Buhari will never agree to that. Which is why he supported Ruga and was ready to implement it at the beginning of his second term |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 4:52pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
notym2chektym:That is the problem. If their elites, buhari himself believes there are lands all over the country that should serve as grazing routes to one ethnic group (Fulani), I wonder what their low class will do. This is the entitlement they bring into people's farmlands... They will think, after all, he is farming on the lands that belongs to us. This mentality will set up Fulani against many people and when people begin to fight back, it will be very dirty. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by baralatie(m): 4:53pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:As long as you own title recognizable by the state that you own the land and you are giving clearance to use that for the business you want you are good to go. As long as the herder does not have title to land where he wants to rear,raise and cultivate his cattle he has trespassed! If he transports his cattle over somebody's plot of land,farm or house to get another point .he has trespassed 1 Like |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Agbegbaorogboye: 4:53pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: I didn't ask for your expert advice on what pigs can do and not do. Herders also rear goats and sheep and those do not need space. All I need is a Yes or No. Can I rear my pigs from Sokoto to Bauchi? |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
omonnakoda: Does your argument not support the gazing route, you claim if you are driving cars, can you drive your cars anywhere? If there is cow route, then there will be no need for cows to go anywhere outside the gazing route. According to your argument, all cows carry diseases, most herders are in the bushes and not in open towns, so what public health risk are you talking about. Yes, government has the power to regulate the movement of cows, is that not what the government is doing. Cow colony idea was brought up but because of the hatreds of fulani people they rejected it. Cattle routes are being proposed, the people are also against it. All these proposals were brought up to regulate herders, to protect herders from farmers and reduce the conflict but they keep rejecting it. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by notym2chektym: 5:01pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
yorubarere:They have made that statement several times that all Nigerian lands belongs to them. That's the day my hatred grew for these people. If the elites like thebosstressvor can say and reason this , what do we expect from the dumb rag tags among them. That is the problem. The fulani elites have caused serious hatred for these people with their reckless and entitlement statement |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 5:01pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
Agbegbaorogboye: You make no logical sense especially when you consider the difference between the 2 animals. If you want to take your pig on a walk from sokoto to bauchi, you are free to do it. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Nobody: 5:07pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
baralatie: This is where you got everything wrong. You do not need to buy land to rear cows, you can rent lands and rear them there. You can transport your cows to the market and put them there. You haven't broken any law if you transport your cow over a plot of land to get to another point, after all people pass through other people land to get to a destination. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by yorubarere: 5:08pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
notym2chektym:The Fulani elite half education is what we are dealing with. If they can make moves to embrace modern ways and ranch, their rag tag militants will follow suit. 1 Like |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by Ojiofor: 5:10pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: Read and get some education. Buhari Pushing 1964 Northern Nigeria Decree On Cow Grazing Route On Nigeria – Senate Spokesman. Ajibola Basiru, spokesman for the Senate, says there is no grazing-route law in Nigeria. Basiru said this following the statement of the President on the farmer-herder crisis. The President while fielding questions in an interview with Arise Television on Thursday, said: “What I did was ask him (AGF) to go and dig the gazette of the first republic when people were obeying laws. “There were cattle routes and grazing areas. Cattle routes were for when they (herders) are moving up country, north to south or east to west, they had to go through there.” But speaking with The PUNCH, Basiru said the gazette that Buhari was referring to was a product of a decree promulgated in northern Nigeria in the 1960s, adding that the Land Use Act recognised by the constitution has rendered it ineffective. “Nigerians should be concerned over whether the Nigerian president is actually getting the correct legal advice from his attorney-general and the legal team,” the senator said. “As far as I am concerned, as a legal practitioner, there is nothing like grazing routes or grazing reserve law, in the laws of the federation of Nigeria. There is nothing like that. “There is no federal legislation that the president can implement over such matter. The executive powers of the president merely rely on the powers of the National Assembly to make laws, when you look at Section 5 of the constitution. “Any area where the National Assembly cannot make laws, and there is no express grants of powers to the president under the constitution, a purported exercise of power by the president in that regard, will be null and void because it is inconsistent with the constitution by section 1(3) of the 1999 constitution. “I am aware that there is a northern Nigerian law on reserve and grazing routes which was promulgated by a 1964 decree by the premier of the defunct northern Nigeria region.” The legislator said there is no way a decree for Northern Nigeria will be implemented as a federal law. “It is not a federal law unless the legal adviser to Mr President is equating a northern Nigeria law, which is not applicable in the west, mid-west, and eastern region or in anywhere in the southern part of Nigeria, to be a federal or a Nigerian law,” he said. “The president does not have the power to implement that law because it is not a federal law. He can only implement federal legislation made by the National Assembly or deemed to have been made by the National Assembly. “The grazing routes law is not a National Assembly law, so there is nothing for the president to implement. It is regrettable that the president has not been properly advised by his attorney-general and the legal team.” Copied from Dele Momodu facebook wall. CC Yorubarere. |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by omonnakoda: 5:11pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1: The issue is the law as it is today. Not MY ARGUMENT You cannot drive your car anywhere . Only on those places permitted as prescribed by law There is no right to a route through another person's property The forests have owners There is no land in Southern Nigeria that does not have an owner any stakeholder is free to lobby for grazing route, olosho route snake route or elephant route The point is government, specifically state government has the power to legislate The public health risk is an issue that is subordinate to the status quo which is the currfent law The public heath risk from cows are many When they defecate their feces carry germs that can remain in the soil for decades and infect other animals and humans e.g Tuberculosis They also carry blood borne diseases that they transmit to other animals like insects and bats e.g Trypanosomal diseases and babesios So cattle are a RESERVOIR of some diseases. They should not be allowed in the forest where they can then serve as a node of transmission of other disease from animals like monkeys etc e.g we do not know whether they can carry Ebola so for that reason their movement should be regulated with regular testings etc . That is a very big subject and you can create a thread to discuss that The issue here is that State governments have the power to regulate all businesses in its domain These same regulations are in place in the US where we copied the freedom of movement clause from. Cow do no invade universities and schools there or compete with motorists on the road |
Re: My Response To Thebosstrevor1 On Grazing Routes by baralatie(m): 5:11pm On Jun 14, 2021 |
thebosstrevor1:Agreed the land use also allows for rent! So if the herder is able to keep up with renting of Land to rear his cattle .he can approach the owner of the land to rent.buf he cannot move his cattle into another man's land |
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