Kingsnairaland:


No wonder the disciples cried out who then can be saved

The worst part of it is if you break one commandment you have broken all

Dtruthspeaker:


And after all they had learnt and done, we surely see that they made it for Christ said that they shall be the Judges of Israel.

Thus, in the end, the impossibility we cried out was overcome, even by those who said it was impossible.

So, like them I intend to forge ahead and attempt to obey and fulfill all the Law. I hope you join me.

Splinz:

And by your own admission, the example Christ left for us regarding the 4th commandment was keeping the Sabbath not just on any day He feels like but on the ordained seventh-day which is Saturday.

Splinz:

I don't understand what you mean by "gift".

Splinz:

Also, since Jesus did not fault the disciples for breaking the law (not that the law was broken),

Splinz:

it shows that what they did was permissible. After all, He is Lord - Master - Owner of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8 ). By extension, it means certain things are permissible on the Sabbath. For example, cooking to satisfy immediate hunger, and other emergencies.

Splinz:

Paul couldn't have possibly explained here that the Sabbath is no longer valid, neither did he condemned it. Careless reading will make one think this way.

Now, look at the word in bold and think about Mark 2:27 again, explained above. Can a man decide or judge the Sabbath? Emphatic no! So then, Paul is simply repeating the same thing Christ taught.

Or how could Paul have condemned the Sabbath and then went on to remind us that the Sabbath remains for the people of God? (Hebrews 4:9).

Impossible. Is it no longer a commandment but a free for all, everyone doing as they like?

Bishopkingsley:


My friend Saturday Sabbath is any day u want as explained by Jesus and Paul

I have given you a clear meaning

Dtruthspeaker:


No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever.

So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force.

Bishopkingsley:


Paul words are clear

Colossians 2:16
Colossians 2:16, NLT: "So don't let anyone condemn you for not celebrating Sabbaths, or
celebrating certain holy days (including Saturday)

Bishopkingsley:


Because Jesus arose from the dead on the first day of the week, Sunday

Dtruthspeaker:


No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever.

So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force.

Dtruthspeaker:


No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever.

So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force.

Splinz:


Quite an interesting changed of gear. From Jesus (according to you) explaining that you don't have to follow His own example, and Paul telling you that look, you don't have to keep that Sabbath on Saturday but any day you feel like; according to your own impulses. Now, it is because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline.

But of course, we will, together, prove this Jesus Sunday resurrection claim of yours, and hold on to what can be proven, right and true, in line with the scripture. 1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Jesus gave a sign, actually an only sign, that shows that He was the Messiah, and that sign was the sign of Jonah (Matthew 16:4). And what is Jonah's sign? Three days and three nights. In other words, Jesus is saying that just as Jonah was in the whale's belly for three days and three nights, so will it be with His death and resurrection.

Furthermore, He went on to explained how many hours are in a day. He said a day is made up of 12 hours (John 11:29). That means, 12 in a day and another 12 in a night. So going by the sign Jesus gave us, He was to be in the grave for a total of 72 hours, nothing more and nothing less. If He fails this sign the exact way He prophesied it, then He is not our saviour but an imposter; fake. But of course, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

Now, it's time to calculate Jesus sign from your late Friday to early morning burial and resurrection. If going by your tradition that Jesus died on a Friday (late Friday or evening) or what is commonly called "Good Friday" and was buried, kindly calculate, using Jesus definition of a day, the period between Friday evening and early morning Sunday claimed resurrection. Is it up to 3 days and three nights; a total of 72 hours?

If it is not up to 72 hours, then what you have as "Jesus" is an imposter or what is called "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4, KJV).

And no wonder this Jesus is teaching against God's commandments like the Sabbath law, and also failing the sign of the living Jesus. No wonder!

Bishopkingsley:

Because Jesus arose from the dead on the first day of the week, Sunday, those early Christians called it the "Lord's Day" (Revelation 1:10), and regularly met for their Christian worship on Sunday (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2).

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong sir! The Lord Himself, even revered the Sabbath and Observed it.

That was why He Wilfully got back on the day after the Sabbath. which Significantly shows us how that Law is Very Important and must be revered and observed!

Also, Day of The Lord, is Judgment Day -(Zephaniah 1:14-18: Isaiah 13:9-11; Jeremiah 46:10)

Google it and see more all point to Judgement Day!

and not Resurrection Day!

Dtruthspeaker:


No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever.

So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force.

Splinz:


Oh Dtruth, you're here. Welcome. Please tell Kingsley more.

Bishopkingsley:

because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline.

Answer no

Splinz:


Kingsley don't be like this. It's horrible for someone who bears "bishop" as a designation.

Question is: Did Jesus resurrect on Sunday? Yes or No?

Bishopkingsley:


The disciples break bread they preached they did church on Sunday

And thunder did not happen

God did not stop them

God is not limited

Any day is acceptable unto the father

You can do church every year if you want

Splinz:


Kingsley don't be like this. It's horrible for someone who bears "bishop" as a designation.

Question is: Did Jesus resurrect on Sunday? Yes or No?

Dtruthspeaker:


You have changed post here but I believe it is because you are thinking on it, so I'll answer you on this present post.

What you have just described is the very very Great Goodness of God and the DANGER of The Lord.

To think this way is very fatal.

For Cain Murdered, and God did not send down thunder, same for Lamech who Also Murdered and Broke The Law of One Wife.

For this is The Law you should be aware of Ecclesiastics 8:11

Because sentence against an evil work IS NOT EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the hearts of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil."

Do not be that man who continues in doing that which is wrong simply because "God is Good"!

Bishopkingsley:


Jesus OK forget about the thunder and iron this part

Acts 20:7
King James Version
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

Dtruthspeaker:


First day of the week up to the Sixth day of that week, you have 2 Law full Options

1) To return to your industry and Work eg Commercial farming, Fishing, etc or

2) A day to continue the Labour and Work of Love, Preaching, Testifying about the Goodness of God, Giving alms and all manners of good things.

But on the 7th Day, it is Option 2 Only for regular folks.

But for those who KNOW ABOUT CHRIST AND UNDERSTAND HIS GOAL, Sabbath Never Ever Ends!

That is why you see Paul and the Disciples preaching and Continuing Sabbath on the First Day of the week.

Bishopkingsley:


Totally out of point

Let me break it down

Now from that scripture we can see they did church on Sunday

Question

Did the disciples commit sin by

Doing church on Sunday first day of the week

Dtruthspeaker:


This is the point!

Let me open it further this way.

Is it Law Full to hold Church on the First or the Second or the fifth Day of the week?

I am certain you would say "it is"!

Therefore, it is Law Full to hold Church even on the first, second, third ... of the week if you can have it so.

Dtruthspeaker:


This is the point!

Let me open it further this way.

Is it Law Full to hold Church on the First or the Second or the fifth Day of the week?

I am certain you would say "it is"!

Therefore, it is Law Full to hold Church even on the first, second, third ... of the week if you can have it so.

Bishopkingsley:


My brother I told you forget about that part I wrote because he resurrected on Sunday

Bishopkingsley:

Now I show u why Sunday service is not a sin

Acts 20:7
King James Version
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

Splinz:


Okay. In other word, you agree that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. That's fine, though it would have been better with a Yes or No answer. But it's okay.

So the argument has once again changed from "Jesus Sunday resurrection" claimed to "showing how the disciples kept Sunday service".

It's okay. But of course, we will, together, prove it one more time, whether Paul was keeping Sunday service with the brethren.



The whole point, actually the tradition of Sunday service or worship, is mostly taken from the bold statement above, which is generally believed that the phrase "break bread" means the disciples were keeping service and eating holy communion on Sunday. As for "preaching" there, except you want to tell me that people who go for what is called "house fellowship" are also keeping Sunday service. Is that so?

Now, let's look at what it means to "break bread". In fact, do a simple google search on it. You'll see that it's neither a religious coinage nor anything sacred. The phrase simply mean to share a meal with a friend or family. As a very good example, attached at the end is a report from Reuters, using the phrase "break bread" to show how former US president, Donald Trump was going for a breakfast with Apple's Chief Executive. Can we say that Trump was going for a holy communion or it was a religious gathering on Sunday?

So what happened in Acts 20:7 is very simple:

1. The disciples were not meeting on Sundays for any supposed Sunday service,

2. Paul met the disciples on the first day of the week, on a Sunday, because he was supposed to travel the next day. And he was preaching and admonishing the people till it gets deep into midnight, the next day. And because they have spent long hours, people were hungry obviously, so food was brought in and they ate together.

In essence, what Paul had with the disciples in Acts 20:7 is likened to a "house fellowship" or a meeting of friends, like what Trump did, where they get to discussed issues of interest, not Sunday service; a religious obligation.

By the way, did you not previously said that the commandment was thrown opened for everyone to do as they wished, worshipping whenever they want? Why Sunday now, a specific day?

You keep changing like the wind. But let he who has ear hear.

Bishopkingsley:

That explains everything no day is special

But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye (Acts 4:19)