And, I have said it before, I have a tremendous respect for the Catholics

And the Orthodox, we are like brothers and sisters. Most protestants got it wrong and they are prejudiced towards everyone, even towards catholics. Either their way or nothing, such know-it all bastards.

And I have great respect for Muslims and Muhammed peace be with him.

I mean, we catholics have make mistakes in the past, but at least we admit it and do something about it.

I like the Muslim requirement to pay zakat. But the tithe in pentecostal/charismatic and protestant churches I don't agree on. Those christian pastors do force it to become large capitalists.

Thank you, sir. May Allah bestow peace on you too. You see, the so-called, bible-thumping, "born-again" wackos don't have it together. They need to enter into an assylum fast! They say: if you're not a Christian you're going to hell. What! What about their forefathers? And they believe in nothing else, but some "munbo-jumbo" miracle this, miracle that. With all their "miracle workers" runnig loose in Africa, we are still backward in everything! These lunatics are so wretched while their "miracle working liars" are living in opulence. I have severally challenged them to mention just one Islamic preacher whether nationally or internationally who swindles his followers. They were only able to assail my character and not forthcoming with a direct answer. Fools! Islam is so pure that we follow everything, in our fear of Allah, to the letter. These so-called "bor-again" fools worship nothing but "miracle and riches."

I mean if there was no catholic or orthodox church, but just these pentecostals wacks, I would be a muslim. That's much better.

Well said, well said.

Look at the image of protestant evangelical worship. The only worship I see is false prophets, drunk on power and money, worshipping one another and being worshipped by an adoring crowd. These men and the false segment of what the deceived believe to be Christianity. There are scads of very needy people out there who are going through unending misery, pain, and suffering. And having nowhere else to turn, it's sad, very sad, that they end up going to one of their miracle services, hoping to find some hope. And the reality is they are sent away empty handed. Is this something to rejoice about?

[flash=200,200][/flash] Please if you're a Moslem who is easily vexed at sincere questions from enquirers seeking answers, skip this thread. I'm seeking answers, and if you can't provide one, don't rattle your nerves.  

Ajisafe:

Those Western troublemakers knew what they were doing when they parodied our dear Prophet all in the name of their so-called "free speech -- free media."

It seems to me that there's something suspect here. First, let me assure anyone reading this that I'm in no way in favour of ridiculing any faith in any form - by caricatures or in speech - and if it is wrong to have done it to one faith, it is equally wrong to have done it to another faith. It bewilders common sense for some Moslems, however, to have reacted by killing others who had nothing to do with the cartoons in the first place. Second, the fact that some people would be unnerved by certain issues directed to their faith should in no way muzzle others who wish to protect the right to freedom of expression. The question is, how far should that freedom of expression go? Just as it was unwise for the cartoonists to have published caricatures of Mohammed, it wasn't the wiser for Moslems to have misdirected their protests at those who were not involved in or have played any roles in the event that immediately sparked off the upheavals. This is why it bothers me when more and more Moslems seem to be pushing the geography of the problem towards the West. I know that Moslems especially in the middle east and arab states have a disdain for the West, particularly America. But to wake up one morning and forget that Denmark is in Europe and not in the American continent often called the West, sounds suspicious. I am not an American; but I'm asking for a true picture of events and an unbiased interpretation of those same events.

A few Moslem friends I asked are of the opinion that while Islam is intolerant to the 'kufars' (non-moslems or unbelievers), they don't think that Moslems ought to have taken to such proportions in their reactions; especially as the Qur'an does not directly enjoin them to do so in the event of anyone cartooning Mohammed. Notice I said 'opinions' of my Moslem friends. But I haven't read all of the Qur'an (I have an English translation that I'm still reading), and perhaps someone would help me quote a verse that enjoins Moslems to do what they did in the last few weeks.

Trying to understand the rational for the riots, a few questions came to my mind:

1. Since Allah (alone) is known as the UNSEEN, are my Moslem friends trying to place Mohammed on the same pedestal as the One they worship? Is Mohammed also the UNSEEN? This is just a question and I don't mean to offend anyone (a few of my Moslem friends got really miffed by this question when all I wanted was a rational answer; I just could not understand their reaction). If Mohammed was no more than a prophet as were Abraham (Ibrahim), Moses (Musa) and Jesus (Isa), why does it seem justified that the same Moslems do not react at cartoons of Jesus and the other prophets as they do at the cartoons of Mohammed?

2. If the painters and cartoonists are going to face judgement ( 'a great chastisement') in the HEREAFTER, why was there a need for Moslems to try to seek their death in the HERE AND NOW?

3. Why do Moslems always conclude that anything expressed against Islam and Mohammed is necessarily perpetrated by Christians? If my memory serves me well, I didn't read that the Danish newspaper was run by Christians or a Christian/Jewish organisation. How does a secular media translate into a 'Christian' one just because the cartoon depicted Mohammed? In all fairness, it doesn't seem right to drag others into a situation when they are not involved.

There are more than a dozen questions that came to mind, not in any way cynical, but to seek the rational understanding of why most Moslems act the way they do.

The fact that some media bliss does not come from true christians is true. On the other hand, condemning the muslim reaction is very convenient. You talk about freedom of expression, muslim think of freedom of action. There are times when we need strong man so others will think well ahead before starting pranks of that sort.

The life of muslims is entirely entwined in the life of Muhammed and trying to follow his example. Picturing Muhammed like that is insult to all aspect of Muslim life. That's why you got that strong reaction.

First of all, it's easy for you so-called "born-again" hypocrites to use uncouth languages and rhetoric, but when we meet fire with fire you start yelling "terrorists!" You are lucky I'm even using euphemisms (idiots, stupid, and fools) to address you people -- in fact, I should have called you by your real name: blood-sucking Crusaders! If I'm a terrorist, "uglyH," what are you? Your frivolous militancy is well known and severally documented on this forum. All in the name of you following nothing but a confused religion. Bring it on!


@Ajisafe

I'm loving this thread. Its sad that Ajisafe a so called muslim has come on board Nuru's thread a fellow muslim and has done nothing but throw about insults as if he were a market woman in a physical combat with another. It is also sad that you have not only insulted non-muslims but even your fellow brothers in the faith. Obviously that is what fanacism does to you.

Well i thank God that e-killing is not possible or else i'd have died a long time ago.

And from your comments let me officially bestow the award of Nairaland's e-terrorist on you.



@chrisd
If all Christians went about killing at the slightest provocation, don't you think we'd all be dead?

Freedom of speech right.

chrisd, I didn't ask for your incoherrent statements. I'm seeking answers from Moslems, not windy talk from you. You neither addressed any of the enquiries in my post nor made a sensible input.

But you are very sensible right? How convenient of you.

@chrisd
If all Christians went about killing at the slightest provocation, don't you think we'd all be dead?

Of course, the Christians did it before. They killed off all Muslims (women, old men and children) in Jerusalem. You need to go learn about your lousy past, BIG E-TERRORIST!

Once again, Muslims, when they call us names call them names! They're people with "no intelligence."

Ajisafe:


If all Christians went about killing at the slightest provocation, don't you think we'd all be dead?

Of course, the Christians did it before. They killed off all Muslims (women, old men and children) in Jerusalem. You need to go learn about your lousy past, BIG E-TERRORIST!

Once again, Muslims, when they call us names call them names! They're people with "no intelligence."

If we did, then how come u are on NL. Incase u've not noticed, you are the only one calling names. So you are a loner in this cause.

Apathy is far more enjoyable compared to having to make a choice, or having to make a stand. This is quite simply because people don't want freedom to make changes for themselves, merely the illusion that they do. If their systems lets them put a little number next to a name, stick it in a ballot box and feel that they have made their contribution, then that's all they care about.

In addition in democracy we still have political villians, I mean every president has lied so many times on serious subjects.

The main flaw with a dictatorship is that the leader may do something that pisses alot of people off, and you can be assured that all the bleeding heart, "I'm-so-left-wing-I-want-to-cream-my-pants", political wankers who run like scared little rabbits at the mere mention of the words "communism" or "socialism" will argue this point to the death. Perhaps they should realise that the leader in a dictatorship can be overthrown. The few of them who don't run off will most likely attempt to argue: "oh, but an uprising would mean violence", and in reply to them, a resounding "yes" will be shouted by every right wing person present. Yes, it would take violence. It would mean death. Congratulations, you now have a basic idea of politics.

The holocoust tried to do that, but still many Jews around, so no need to worry, there will be muslims always.

Many "Muslims" are scared because they think the kufars can hurt them. I say, uglyH, bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ajisafe i already did. See you are the only scared one and its obvious in the way you've been running your mouth. And in case you haven't realised since you live in a world of oblivion, people are more frightened of muslims than Christians.

So if they stay united and help each other and not to allow people to attack Muslims is something many people don't like.

But you have to say that most western Muslims stay silent: because the price , or further hate crimes is high.

If Ajisafe was acting in the same spirit like that of Mohammed, what would we think of the prophet of Islam?

I fear more british rowdy yobs near pubs at night rather than being attached by the muslims. Muslims stay at home taking care and enjoying their faimily and don't drink alcohol. That the truth.

You should read a bit on Muhammed's life.

chrisd:

You should read a bit on Muhammed's life.

I already did. He may be many things to many people, but not the sort that Ajisafe projects. You have to understand that if a prophet used uncultured language at almost everyone, he would not have gained a good following - for the simple reason that there are people far more intelligent and civil than to take such gutter talk.

I know He is Allah's messenger. But He must be turning in "paradise" asking why his followers in Northern Nigeria keep slaughtering innocent Igbo traders in his name.

Yes Prothet Muhammad does not support violence but more importantly abhors undue provocations from anybody.

Conservative muslims will pay a heavy price for the barbaric acts of their radical brothers if they don't come out to denounce the murders being commited in the name of God. Failure to condemn means you are capable of the same wickedness.

@everyone: what exactly is the point of this whole thread?

@Ajisafe: believe me when i say so, your beloved uncle who is my namesake would be ashamed and probably sue you for being his nephew. keep talking shit. it helps release the waste from your body.

nice one, Seun.
"rubbish"