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Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 11:24am On Jul 15, 2021
My Civic 08 Japan model has been acting up.

First, you can't start it once and move because the throttle won't respond (electric throttle), expect turning it on severally before the throttle responds.

It is worse these days as the throttle responds will just seize while in motion, rough idle (fluctuates btw 300rpm to 700rpm) and brake and quench.

I scanned and three codes popped up:
1.P2185: Engine coolant temperature sensor 2 circuit high
2. P2176 -throttle actuator control system- idle position not learned (the only code that has been seen since months ago).
3. P0013 - Engine coolant temperature sensor 2 circuit high

It showed the P2135 code but I cleared the code and I stopped seeing it. Could come back. I tried to floor the accelerator 3 times while engine is 'on' but not running. (A tip I saw on Honda group online about how to recalibrate pedal position).




Gazzuzz, diportivo, nurey, kingreign, radautoworks,
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by lordm(m): 1:58pm On Jul 15, 2021
naijadrivablog:
My Civic 08 Japan model has been acting up.

First, you can't start it once and move because the throttle won't respond (electric throttle), expect turning it on severally before the throttle responds.

It is worse these days as the throttle responds will just seize while in motion, rough idle (fluctuates btw 300rpm to 700rpm) and brake and quench.

I scanned and three codes popped up:
1.P2138
2. P2176 (throttle idle position not learned)
3. p0013


Pls, is changing the throttlebody the best solution or fixing?

Gazzuzz, diportivo, nurey, kingreign, radautoworks,

Check Plugs, Fuel filter/pump and air filter. Go to your mechanic
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by hofeshhomes: 2:42pm On Jul 15, 2021
Gurus, make una come shuk mouth. If na real estate now, then we can help.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by GAZZUZZ(m): 5:48pm On Jul 15, 2021
naijadrivablog:
My Civic 08 Japan model has been acting up.

First, you can't start it once and move because the throttle won't respond (electric throttle), expect turning it on severally before the throttle responds.

It is worse these days as the throttle responds will just seize while in motion, rough idle (fluctuates btw 300rpm to 700rpm) and brake and quench.

I scanned and three codes popped up:
1.P2138
2. P2176 (throttle idle position not learned)
3. p0013


Any help?
Gazzuzz, diportivo, nurey, kingreign, ,

Requests for 3 parts but don't pay yet.

Engine ecu

Throttle body

Throttle pedal .


The codes point to a faulty pedal and an unlearned idle .

Replace the throttle pedal or pedal app.

Clear codes and test vehicle.

If this does not work, swap the other two parts sequentially and test, one of them should solve the problem.

Return the parts you do not need .

Good luck.

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Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by BamBamK: 5:52pm On Jul 15, 2021
prof prof!!!


GAZZUZZ:


Requests for 3 parts but don't pay yet.

Engine ecu

Throttle body

Throttle pedal .


The codes point to a faulty pedal and an unlearned idle .

Replace the throttle pedal or pedal app.

Clear codes and test vehicle.

If this does not work, swap the other two parts sequentially and test, one of them should solve the problem.

Return the parts you do not need .

Good luck.


Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by diportivo: 5:58pm On Jul 15, 2021
lordm:

Check Plugs, Fuel filter/pump and air filter. Go to your mechanic


thanks sir wink
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 10:07pm On Jul 15, 2021
GAZZUZZ:


Requests for 3 parts but don't pay yet.

Engine ecu

Throttle body

Throttle pedal .


The codes point to a faulty pedal and an unlearned idle .

Replace the throttle pedal or pedal app.

Clear codes and test vehicle.

If this does not work, swap the other two parts sequentially and test, one of them should solve the problem.

Return the parts you do not need .

Good luck.



Thanks boss. The P2176 was the only code it showed before now until I serviced the injector nozzles and P0113 and P2138 showed up.

Besides, my odometer has been "------------" not showing trip or mileage.

The "requesting three parts but don't pay yet" go hard o. Any idea to pu that off?

And Gazzuzz, which one is "throttle app"?
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 10:09pm On Jul 15, 2021
lordm:

Check Plugs, Fuel filter/pump and air filter. Go to your mechanic

Plugs are new NGK (bought 3 months a ago) and cleaned of carbon two days ago, injector serviced, airfilter is relatively new and clean. The fuel filter is what wasn't checked.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 9:38pm On Jul 24, 2021
GAZZUZZ:


Requests for 3 parts but don't pay yet.

Engine ecu

Throttle body

Throttle pedal .


The codes point to a faulty pedal and an unlearned idle .

Replace the throttle pedal or pedal app.

Clear codes and test vehicle.

If this does not work, swap the other two parts sequentially and test, one of them should solve the problem.

Return the parts you do not need .

Good luck.



Thanks. The Throttle body has been replaced and the car starts normally but sometimes, the idle speed is not stable (fluctuates between 800rpm to 1300rpm. The P2138code etc has cleared.

Although, the electrician said that "computer" has to be used to relearn the idle speed.

And a new code is now showing P1659. Any solution.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by GAZZUZZ(m): 10:16pm On Jul 24, 2021
naijadrivablog:


Thanks. The Throttle body has been replaced and the car starts normally but sometimes, the idle speed is not stable (fluctuates between 800rpm to 1300rpm. The P2138code etc has cleared.

Although, the electrician said that "computer" has to be used to relearn the idle speed.

And a new code is now showing P1659. Any solution.



P1659 HONDA Meaning
The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) controls the throttle valve opening. The system includes the throttle actuator, the throttle valve, Throttle Position (TP) sensors A and B, the Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) sensor, the Electronic Throttle Control System (ETCS) control relay, and the PCM. The APP sensor is operated via the throttle cable to determine the accelerator opening value when the driver presses the accelerator pedal. The accelerator pedal opening value is converted to a signal in the APP sensor and transmitted to the PCM to compute the target position. The PCM determines the throttle valve target position according to the signal received and operates the throttle actuator to move the throttle valve to the target position. The actual throttle valve position is determined by TP sensor A (installed in the throttle body). When the voltage is applied from the ETCS control relay to the IG1ETCS terminal for a set time after the ETCS control relay is turned off, the PCM detects a malfunction in the ETCS control relay power switch and a DTC is stored.


https://www.engine-codes.com/p1659_honda.html



Possible throttle body failure or Engine ECU

Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 10:27pm On Jul 24, 2021
GAZZUZZ:




P1659 HONDA Meaning
The Powertrain Control Module (PCM) controls the throttle valve opening. The system includes the throttle actuator, the throttle valve, Throttle Position (TP) sensors A and B, the Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) sensor, the Electronic Throttle Control System (ETCS) control relay, and the PCM. The APP sensor is operated via the throttle cable to determine the accelerator opening value when the driver presses the accelerator pedal. The accelerator pedal opening value is converted to a signal in the APP sensor and transmitted to the PCM to compute the target position. The PCM determines the throttle valve target position according to the signal received and operates the throttle actuator to move the throttle valve to the target position. The actual throttle valve position is determined by TP sensor A (installed in the throttle body). When the voltage is applied from the ETCS control relay to the IG1ETCS terminal for a set time after the ETCS control relay is turned off, the PCM detects a malfunction in the ETCS control relay power switch and a DTC is stored.


https://www.engine-codes.com/p1659_honda.html



Possible throttle body failure or Engine ECU


Thanks. Two throttle bodies was installed and both showed the same code but the one chosen is better (rpm doesn't get to 2000rpm while idling).

So, the electrician is a Honda specialist. He said that the pedal may be changed and/or PCM(brainbox) in that order should the problem continue after relearning the Idle Speed with "computer".
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by sultaan(m): 4:19am On Jul 25, 2021
you have a vacuum leak, one of the black hoses is disconnected.
Start with the brake booster hose then the hose for the PCV valve(just google the image for this parts on your car and compare the connection).

Your problem is a damaged ,cracked, or disconnected don't go spending money on a simple problem, there might be a black hose on the throttled body disconnected

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Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 4:56pm On Aug 16, 2021
sultaan:
you have a vacuum leak, one of the black hoses is disconnected.
Start with the brake booster hose then the hose for the PCV valve(just google the image for this parts on your car and compare the connection).

Your problem is a damaged ,cracked, or disconnected don't go spending money on a simple problem, there might be a black hose on the throttled body disconnected

Is it what is causing the P1659 code?
You have a point because just recently, my brake fluids shorts, unlike before.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by Itulah(m): 7:12pm On Aug 16, 2021
naijadrivablog:


Thanks. The Throttle body has been replaced and the car starts normally but sometimes, the idle speed is not stable (fluctuates between 800rpm to 1300rpm. The P2138code etc has cleared.

Although, the electrician said that "computer" has to be used to relearn the idle speed.

And a new code is now showing P1659. Any solution.


Go change your knock sensor
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by Itulah(m): 7:12pm On Aug 16, 2021
naijadrivablog:


Thanks. The Throttle body has been replaced and the car starts normally but sometimes, the idle speed is not stable (fluctuates between 800rpm to 1300rpm. The P2138code etc has cleared.

Although, the electrician said that "computer" has to be used to relearn the idle speed.

And a new code is now showing P1659. Any solution.


Go change your knock sensor.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by cybertron88: 7:43pm On Aug 16, 2021
naijadrivablog:

My Civic 08 Japan model has been acting up.

First, you can't start it once and move because the throttle won't respond (electric throttle), expect turning it on severally before the throttle responds.

It is worse these days as the throttle responds will just seize while in motion, rough idle (fluctuates btw 300rpm to 700rpm) and brake and quench.

I scanned and three codes popped up:
1.P2185: Engine coolant temperature sensor 2 circuit high
2. P2176 -throttle actuator control system- idle position not learned (the only code that has been seen since months ago).
3. P0013 - Engine coolant temperature sensor 2 circuit high

It showed the P2135 code but I cleared the code and I stopped seeing it. Could come back. I tried to floor the accelerator 3 times while engine is 'on' but not running. (A tip I saw on Honda group online about how to recalibrate pedal position).




Gazzuzz, diportivo, nurey, kingreign, radautoworks,
Oga don't start changing parts anyhow o. I had this same issue two weeks ago. Car wasn't firing. Brand new Honda Accord engine wey I just buy. I knew it couldn't be engine. I noticed it started when I entered in water with full speed. Car no longer accelerating. Wouldn't rev beyond 2000. My mechanic started touching and mentioning different sensors. He even suggested I buy a new injector head. I said never how can a direct sharp Belgium engine suddenly be having injector head issues.
Long story short d same mechanic directed me to another technician who scanned my car properly. That actuator error code popped up. The man connect laptop that was when I knew some ppl actually know how to fix cars. In less than two hours d guy fixed the electrical stuff and my car has been perfect since then.

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Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by naijadrivablog: 7:52am On Aug 17, 2021
Itulah:



Go change your knock sensor.

Wrong. This particular fault stopped when I changed the throttle mouth.

The only issue now is I get a P1659 code, though car runs fine.
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by diportivo: 8:57am On Aug 17, 2021
cybertron88:

Oga don't start changing parts anyhow o. I had this same issue two weeks ago. Car wasn't firing. Brand new Honda Accord engine wey I just buy. I knew it couldn't be engine. I noticed it started when I entered in water with full speed. Car no longer accelerating. Wouldn't rev beyond 2000. My mechanic started touching and mentioning different sensors. He even suggested I buy a new injector head. I said never how can a direct sharp Belgium engine suddenly be having injector head issues.
Long story short d same mechanic directed me to another technician who scanned my car properly. That actuator error code popped up. The man connect laptop that was when I knew some ppl actually know how to fix cars. In less than two hours d guy fixed the electrical stuff and my car has been perfect since then.

Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by almsofgold: 10:39am On Aug 17, 2021
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Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by odsniper2(m): 5:08pm On Aug 17, 2021
Bro, good day, can I have the contact of the new Honda tech please.
Thanks you in advance
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by Millyyyyy: 12:06am On Mar 02, 2022
cybertron88:

Oga don't start changing parts anyhow o. I had this same issue two weeks ago. Car wasn't firing. Brand new Honda Accord engine wey I just buy. I knew it couldn't be engine. I noticed it started when I entered in water with full speed. Car no longer accelerating. Wouldn't rev beyond 2000. My mechanic started touching and mentioning different sensors. He even suggested I buy a new injector head. I said never how can a direct sharp Belgium engine suddenly be having injector head issues.
Long story short d same mechanic directed me to another technician who scanned my car properly. That actuator error code popped up. The man connect laptop that was when I knew some ppl actually know how to fix cars. In less than two hours d guy fixed the electrical stuff and my car has been perfect since then.



Hi, my Honda CRV suddenly stops revving mid speed too. Started recently. It brought up the P2176 error code too. The fuel pump, air filter and injector mouth has been changed. But problem persists. Infact the engine work is higher now and the car jerks when changing gears.

Can I have the contact of this person who fixed your car, maybe he can help? Thanks
Re: Help: Throttle Unresponsive, Rough Idle And Brake And Quench Solution (pictures) by Thormyteeh: 6:39pm On Aug 03, 2022
Hello, pls help
I have Toyota Camry 05/06.
The car refuse to start when I was ready to go back home from work, Check Engine light was not coming up too.
Some Electrician came to check they all concluded I have to change or repair my brain box .
After getting new brainbox, the car is staring but rough idling and the car won't accelerate if you press the throttle pedal.
I have tested it with 3 brainbox and its same.
No code is coming out after scanning I guess because the brainbox is new.
Now the Electrician said I need to change my electric throttle body. I feel sceptical about it...

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