oyatz:



1) Presently, there's no sovereign country called Igbo Nation so it will be wrong to be comparing an ethnic group in Nigeria with sovereign countries.

2) The survival of Niger Republic and Mali is what will be important to them to determine if they can just stroll into Nigeria and say they are digging River Niger to the Atlantic ocean to make their ships pass. It has nothing to do with whether Igbo people are rich or not.

It Niger was as close to the ocean as igbo they would use the Niger river ...Congo is an example don't even know what u guys are saying

Niger delta republic should have no reason blocking ships coming to the igbo nation via 4 access imo river ( main one ) Niger river , orashi river , and the itu River


If they do then that's hostile economic sabotage and it means war simple

mrvitalis:


It Niger was as close to the ocean as igbo they would use the Niger river ...Congo is an example don't even know what u guys are saying

Niger delta republic should have no reason blocking ships coming to the igbo nation via 4 access imo river ( main one ) Niger river , orashi river , and the itu River


If they do then that's hostile economic sabotage and it means war simple

You simply have little or no knowledge about the meaning of sovereign countries.

Try to read about South Sudan and why they suspened the export of their crude oil.

oyatz:


You simply have little or no knowledge about the meaning of sovereign countries.

Try to read about South Sudan and why they suspened the export of their crude oil.

Because that's where the infrastructure already exists simple ...and south Sudan is not as close to the sea as igbos

We are talking about 5 rivers that can take ships less than 50km from the ocean some less than 20km ....tell us our ships can't pass is nothing but economic sabotage

I don't think Niger delta republic would even consider that ... because it's makes no sense ...but if they do then it's an all out war ...

I'm not sure u have been to this places that's why u lots here keep calling river niger

River Niger is the longest of them all even and the least viable due to volume of water

Imo river port in abia is closer to the ocean than port Harcourt Port , Calabar port , warri port ...with very good volume

Ofodirinwa:


Q 1: Can the Gov't of Mali and Niger Republic just come into Jebba and start dredging the River Niger
- It doesn't need to be dredged
- Their transplants (herdsmen) have more rights than you (can carry firearms you can't, don't have to abide by trespassing laws, can vote in any state)
- They already take your oil back for free and sell it to you
- They have produced a governor, senate president and president of Nigeria
- Yes they can


Everything else your saying doesn't make sense. It doesn't need to be dredged to reach onitsha, it is deeper and wider than the panama canal which handles 14,000 boats a year. Either you have seen a cargo boat or you haven't seen the Niger River

Again you are beating about the bush bringing in unrelated matters into this discussion.

Listen and listen well, no sovereign country can stroll into another another sovereign country without the cooperation and support of the second country.

Herdsmen and smugglers are non-state actors crossing unmaned and sometimes ill defined borders between Niger Republic and Northern Nigeria. Even at this, they only succeed because Nigeria permitted it and not every country will permit such non-sense.

Do you see such marauding herdsmen and illegal migrants even in poor and weak countries like Benin Republic and Togo?


If disintegration of Nigeria occur in a hostile manner, Biafra will be blocked by many countries on all fronts and will be forced to negotiate with the Niger-Delta Republic to export or import through the ocean. This is what South-Sudan is currently facing.

South-Sudan has the third largest oil reserve in Africa but they depend on Pipelines and Port Sudan on the Red Sea ,both in (North) Sudan to export their crude oil.

North Sudan is demanding 50% of the money on each barrel of crude oil for using their port and pipeline to export their crude oil causing South Sudan to suspend crude oil exportation.

The dependence of South Sudan on a hostile North Sudan for International trade is hampering the economic development of the new Nation.

What makes you think that the type of blockade of Biafra in 1968 can no longer be effected if secession occur in hostile manners?


Think deeply about these.

mrvitalis:

Because that's where the infrastructure already exists simple ...and south Sudan is not as close to the sea as igbos

We are talking about 5 rivers that can take ships less than 50km from the ocean some less than 20km ....tell us our ships can't pass is nothing but economic sabotage

I don't think Niger delta republic would even consider that ... because it's makes no sense ...but if they do then it's an all out war ...

I'm not sure u have been to this places that's why u lots here keep calling river niger

River Niger is the longest of them all even and the least viable due to volume of water

Imo river port in abia is closer to the ocean than port Harcourt Port , Calabar port , warri port ...with very good volume

Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that Niger-Delta MUST block Biafra but the issues that must be acknowledged is that Biafra will have to negotiate with Niger Delta Republic not as a matter of right but concession as friendly countries.

However, if they refuse to grant this concession, you can't do anything about it.

And if Biafran try any act of war, they will be easily defeated and made to suffer for such silly mistake.

All Niger-Delta needs to do is to sign a defense pact with the Vladimir Putins of this World to train their Army, supply them with Sophisticated weapons in exchange for oil & Gas or management of their ports for 10years.

N/Delta Republic have greater land mass, population, resources, infrastructure and coast line than Biafra.In case of an out break of war, most Super Powers are likely to back them over Biafra that has little to offer.


Any Biafran or Foreigner that cross the borders into their country to try any nonsense will know that he is commiting suicide.

oyatz:



Don't get me wrong, I am NOT saying that Niger-Delta MUST block Biafra but the issues that must be acknowledged is that Biafra will have to negotiate with Niger Delta Republic not as a matter of right but concession as friendly countries.

However, if they refuse to grant this concession, you can't do anything about it.

And if Biafran try any act of war, they will be easily defeated and made to suffer for such silly mistake.

All Niger-Delta needs to do is to sign a defense pact with the Vladimir Putins of this World to train their Army, supply them with Sophisticated weapons in exchange for oil & Gas or management of their ports for 10years.

N/Delta Republic have greater land mass, population, resources, infrastructure and coast line than Biafra.In case of an out break of war, most Super Powers are likely to back them over Biafra that has little to offer.


Any Biafran or Foreigner that cross the borders into their country to try any nonsense will know that he is commiting suicide.

U need to look at the igbo map again , then look at Nigeria oil and gas map again ...if u think Niger delta have more oil than igboland then you are joking...that's that even we are talking about $10 billion dollars a year worth of oil max

We are talking about abia port that can make abia get 10% share in the global fashion business that's $150 billion a year ....oil is nothing honestly absolutely nothing

Hopefully the oil in Igbo land would never be exported as oil we would use it to run our industries

U guys don't understand the capitalist nature of igbos ...we are already build and domaniting market system across Africa ...next step is to produce at home ...ship to our brothers to sale everywhere

Niger delta republic won't stop our ships ...but if they do we would go to war for that access it's simple as that ...if they win fine ...if we win fine

There is no where in the world that fantasy occurs.

The best you will get if relations are good is an inland port connected by rail to the sea and YOU will have to pay for the favour and infrastructure

That is international practice
That is if you behave yourselves and relations are good
If the break up come via "war" then you will not even get that

oyatz:


What do you mean by other end of River Niger?

River Niger only empty into the ocean in Nigeria.

There are River Ports in Onitsha, Lokoja,Jebba, Niamey and several other Towns along the course of River Niger but these are only used by small (not ocean liners) ships/boats.

Just the way there are so many other rivers that connects with the River Niger and empty into the ocean in the Nigerian end, it is also the same with the Guinea's end of it. Ships sail into Bamako in Mali, do they magically appear on the river. Over before reaching Bamako port?

Tell me how Ship will move to Igboland from Atlantic Ocean without passing Rivers State or Cross River or Delta which are not Biafra

Ofodirinwa:


Igboland wouldn't need a panama canal because the Niger River is significantly more accommodating to even the largest ships in the world than the panama canal. This thread is not for anyone but Igbos in doubt, even though it will of course attract maggots and flies from other regions.

but the more they argue, the stronger this thread becomes, the more Igbo people see the truth. It is an engine powered by hate, envy and tribalism

I don't want to hear any Igbo person say they're 'land locked' because it's only people that don't go home that say this nonsense. The international Niger River is deeper and wider than the river used for the port of onne. You can build several ports on the Niger, not to mention other places in Igboland that I don't need to mention because these ones don't even know their own regions geography talkless of our own.

benzion72:
Tell me how Ship will move to Igboland from Atlantic Ocean without passing Rivers State or Cross River or Delta which are not Biafra

So Ngozi Iweala is Japanese?

Malawian:

Just the way there are so many other rivers that connects with the River Niger and empty into the ocean in the Nigerian end, it is also the same with the Guinea's end of it. Ships sail into Bamako in Mali, do they magically appear on the river. Over before reaching Bamako port?

The River Niger originated from the base of Guinean Highlands close to the border with Seirra Leone and flow up north to an inner Delta around Gao in Mali before flowing to Niger Republic and emptying into the Atlantic ocean in the outer Niger Delta. At no point did the river reach the ocean in Guinea or any other country beside Nigeria

Ofodirinwa:


So Ngozi Iweala is Japanese?

No she is Biafran

oyatz:


The River Niger originated from the base of Guinean Highlands close to the border with Seirra Leone and flow up north to an inner Delta around Gao in Mali before flowing to Niger Republic and emptying into the Atlantic ocean in the outer Niger Delta. At no point did the river reach the ocean in Guinea or any other country beside Nigeria

Leave the joker he is suffering from acutte Akpu intoxication and is totally incapable of distinguishing wishful thinking from reality

I try very hard every day not to believe that there are only a few ignorant people in that part of Nigeria, but they keep proving wrong...

Op, primary 2 student in geography class is smarter than you...

Very sad..

ok^

Malawian:

Just the way there are so many other rivers that connects with the River Niger and empty into the ocean in the Nigerian end, it is also the same with the Guinea's end of it. Ships sail into Bamako in Mali, do they magically appear on the river. Over before reaching Bamako port?

There is nothing like Guinean End .

That is the Origin of the River.

Many rivers have their origin n mountains or highlands because of heavy precipitation and or melting of snow as the tops of mountains are very cold

The River Benue origninates in the Adamawa highlands in Cameroon and the Niger in Guinea

They both empty into the ocean IN NIGERIA AND NOWHERE ELSE

So HOW do ships arrive in Mali from this "Other end" Do they float to the top of the mountain and sail down?

mrvitalis:

U need to look at the igbo map again , then look at Nigeria oil and gas map again ...if u think Niger delta have more oil than igboland then you are joking...that's that even we are talking about $10 billion dollars a year worth of oil max

We are talking about abia port that can make abia get 10% share in the global fashion business that's $150 billion a year ....oil is nothing honestly absolutely nothing

Hopefully the oil in Igbo land would never be exported as oil we would use it to run our industries

U guys don't understand the capitalist nature of igbos ...we are already build and domaniting market system across Africa ...next step is to produce at home ...ship to our brothers to sale everywhere

Niger delta republic won't stop our ships ...but if they do we would go to war for that access it's simple as that ...if they win fine ...if we win fine

You can dominate the whole markets in the world, that's not the main issue being discussed.


You need to understand that ;

1) Every sovereign country has a right to protect itself by determining what goes into their country either by land, water or air.

A Foreign country passing through another sovereign country will have to negotiate with this country for rights of passage and this passage will be subjected to the approval and supervision of the country.

2) Every sovereign country has a right to man their borders , including their ports. So if Biafran vessels wants to pass on Rivers flowing through the Niger-Delta Republic, they will need the approval and supervision of Niger-Delta Republic.

These are well known conventions all over the world.
Landlocked countries that gain access to the Oceans through Rivers negotiate with LITTORAL Countries that have the coastline e.g Ethiopia & Eritea, Austria & Germany etc

^lol, Germany

Ofodirinwa:
now that your hate as brought you here I want to share this

Panama Canal
Width: 150 and 300 metres
Depth: 13 metres

Niger River
Width: 240 metres
Depth: 30 metres


Trade Volume of Panama Canal: Panama canal spans the narrowest part of Panama and connects the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. One of world's busiest shipping routes, it has historically handled about 5% of world trade and nearly 14,000 transits were made last year.

51 ships cross the Panama Canal daily.
Panama Canal is surrounded on both sides by the country of Panama (why no blockade? lol)
Panama Canal can take ships 4x the size the ship the any Nigerian port can take.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAzGbO6lz4

For the sake of argument, Panama canal is a transportation infrastructure that the canal toll and collect fees from users passing through the canal..

1.Who do you task to build the canal infrastructure to allow you free passage through the canal and a sovereign country.

2. Are you willing to pay exorbitant fees to Nigeria per boat or ship for free passage through the canal .

3. A canal is not just about you ferrying your village canoe down the river, it's about a massive multi billion dollar dredging and construction, so, are you just going to arrogate to yourself the rights to walk into Nigeria to dredge on Nigerian territory and construct a canal for your own use?

Instead critical thinking, you people get ahead of yourselves because you always rely on puerile emotions, meaningless sentiments.

There is no parallel with Panama
There is a difference between the technical possibility and the legal possibility


There is no right to traverse the territory of a sovereign nation ..Absolutely none!!

NGpatriot:


For the sake of argument, Panama canal is a transportation infrastructure that the canal toll and collect fees from users passing through the canal..

1.Who do you task to build the canal infrastructure to allow you free passage through the canal and a sovereign country.

2. Are you willing to pay exorbitant fees to Nigeria per boat or ship for free passage through the canal .

3. A canal is not just about you ferrying your village canoe down the river, it's about a massive multi billion dollar dredging and construction, so, are you just going to arrogate to yourself the rights to walk into Nigeria to dredge on Nigerian territory and construct a canal for your own use?

Instead critical thinking, you people get ahead of yourselves because you always rely on puerile emotions, meaningless sentiments.

i like how #1 is you basically saying you don't understand the post you quoted. Then, in the end, you tell me to critically think lol

Ofodirinwa:


i like how #1 is you basically saying you don't understand the post you quoted. Then, in the end, you tell me to critically think lol

On the other hand, it saddening the you are very challenged when it comes to basic reading and comprehension because I asked you a question.

You are talking about a canal and I asked who are you going to task to build the canal infrastructure, you or the host country.

Do you also need critical thinking before you answer that simple and elementary question?
It is not a by force to comment.

oyatz:



You can dominate the whole markets in the world, that's not the main issue being discussed.


You need to understand that ;

1) Every sovereign country has a right to protect itself by determining what goes into their country either by land, water or air.

A Foreign country passing through another sovereign country will have to negotiate with this country for rights of passage and this passage will be subjected to the approval and supervision of the country.

2) Every sovereign country has a right to man their borders , including their ports. So if Biafran vessels wants to pass on Rivers flowing through the Niger-Delta Republic, they will need the approval and supervision of Niger-Delta Republic.

These are well known conventions all over the world.
Landlocked countries that gain access to the Oceans through Rivers negotiate with LITTORAL Countries that have the coastline e.g Ethiopia & Eritea, Austria & Germany etc

U need to read costal laws

mrvitalis:

U need to read costal laws

Were these laws written on the tablets of stone that Moses brought down with him from Mount Sinai or were they revealed to Muhamiid
WHO made these "coastal laws"?
None of you have told us why these laws would be limited to Biafra and not extend to other upstream countries on the River like Niger ,Burkina Faso , Mali and guinea

By your logic according to coastal laws if a river passes through 10 countries before the ocean all those 10 countries can sail up and down the river through the territory of the effluent country

aribisala0:
n Were these laws written n the tablets of stone that Moses brought down with him from Mount Sinai or were they reveleas to Muhamiid
WHO made these "coastal laws"?
None of you have told us why these laws would be limited to Biafra and not extend to other upstream countries on the River like Niger ,Burkina Faso , Mali and guinea

By your logic according to coastal laws if a river passes through 10 countries before the ocean all those 10 countries can sail up and down the river through the territory of the effluent country

Why do u think we give lights to Niger and the rest ? ...why would u ship through Niger to those countries it makes zero sense

mrvitalis:

Why do u think we give lights to Niger and the rest ? ...why would u ship through Niger to those countries it makes zero sense

Why do you think people bathe in the morning?

What is the nexus

Is it because of coastal law?

I makes no sense to sail ships tp Onitsha either
Build an inland port with rail link to the coast .That is what makes sense

But you will have to beg and negotiate

There is no entitlement . So shake off your arrogant attitude

aribisala0:
Why do you think people bathe in the morning?

What is the nexus

Is it because of coastal law?

I makes no sense to sail ships tp Onitsha either
Build an inland port with rail link to the coast .That is what makes sense

But you will have to beg and negotiate

There is no entitlement . So shake off your arrogant attitude

Who is even talking about Niger rivers with u guys ? When u don't know geography u learn onitsha is possible but it's really makes no economic sense honestly

We have 5 rivers from south east that flows to the Atlantic ocean ...imo river abia state being the most viable it's less than 25km to the coast ...it's closer to the ocean than port Harcourt , warri and Calabar port

We have the orashi river in imo state is also viable less than 35km from the ocean that's can serve onitsha ...

We have the itu River in ebonyi this is far but doable just like onitsha ...but imo and orashi are very viable and can service Igbo land

It's just nothing but people ignorance that won't let most of u think ...na only river Niger una know

mrvitalis:

Who is even talking about Niger rivers with u guys ? When u don't know geography u learn onitsha is possible but it's really makes no economic sense honestly

We have 5 rivers from south east that flows to the Atlantic ocean ...imo river abia state being the most viable it's less than 25km to the coast ...it's closer to the ocean than port Harcourt , warri and Calabar port

We have the orashi river in imo state is also viable less than 35km from the ocean that's can serve onitsha ...

We have the itu River in ebonyi this is far but doable just like onitsha ...but imo and orashi are very viable and can service Igbo land

It's just nothing but people ignorance that won't let most of u think ...na only river Niger una know

You are only making sense to yourself. How is a River in Ebonyi State in direct contact with the Atlantic Show us a map of the Imo river emptying into the Atlantic

aribisala0:

You are only making sense to yourself. How is a River in Ebonyi State in direct contact with the Atlantic Show us a map of the Imo river emptying into the Atlantic

Don't worry when the time comes ooh

NGpatriot:


On the other hand, it saddening the you are very challenged when it comes to basic reading and comprehension because I asked you a question.

You are talking about a canal and I asked who are you going to task to build the canal infrastructure, you or the host country.

Do you also need critical thinking before you answer that simple and elementary question?
It is not a by force to comment.

Because that answer will embarrass you, not me.
but if you insist here's your answer

You don't need to dig a canal on the Niger river because the Niger river is already a river. It is wider and deeper than the panama canal. The panama canal was dug on land and filled with water because there was no river. You don't need to make an artificial river on the niger river because the niger river is already a river.

Hope that helps

aribisala0:

You are only making sense to yourself. How is a River in Ebonyi State in direct contact with the Atlantic Show us a map of the Imo river emptying into the Atlantic

LOL just say 'I did not know that'. Why do so many of you start getting aggressive towards the person giving info you didn't know. Have you been to east nigeria? You don't need to answer the question to me, answer to yourself.

aribisala0:


There is nothing like Guinean End .

That is the Origin of the River.

Many rivers have their origin n mountains or highlands because of heavy precipitation and or melting of snow as the tops of mountains are very cold

The River Benue origninates in the Adamawa highlands in Cameroon and the Niger in Guinea

They both empty into the ocean IN NIGERIA AND NOWHERE ELSE

So HOW do ships arrive in Mali from this "Other end" Do they float to the top of the mountain and sail down?

How many satelites has Mali sent to space? So because Mali hasn't done something it can't be done? wow.