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Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 8:58am On Aug 01, 2021
This thread is for those who have come to understand the finished work of Christ to fellowship together and share, articles, memes, links to audio and video sermons and so on to inspire and encourage one another concerning the finished work of Christ, as we eargerly wait for the glorious appearing our Lord Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come (1.Thess 1:10).

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Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 8:58am On Aug 01, 2021
I thank God for the revelation of the finished work of His Son. Because of Jesus, we have been made righteous, holy and blameless in the sight of God, we have been eternally reconciled to God through Jesus and what He accomplished at the cross! Hallelujah
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 9:29am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
I thank God for the revelation of the finished work of His Son. Because of Jesus, we have been made righteous, holy and blameless in the sight of God, we have been eternally reconciled to God through Jesus and what He accomplished at the cross! Hallelujah

As a Christian who believes in the finished work of Christ, what comes next?
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by THELATTERMAN(m): 9:36am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


As a Christian who believes in the finished work of Christ, what comes next?

Triumphantly working/walking in the finished works.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 9:37am On Aug 01, 2021
THELATTERMAN:


Triumphantly working/walking in the finished works.

Can you clarify?
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 9:38am On Aug 01, 2021
Whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Salvation is for everyone! If the thief at the cross could be saved by calling upon the name of the Lord, for he said “Lord remember me in your kingdom”, then such applies to everyone because God is not a respecter of persons. The Bible says in Romans 10:9-10: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The thief at the cross was not saved by doing good works or living a holy life, or even doing restitution, but simply by confessing Jesus as Lord, and the Lord said “today you will be with me I'm paradise”. Only Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shall be saved!
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 9:44am On Aug 01, 2021
Salvation is for whosoever believes (Rom 1:16), not for whosoever works for it. Jesus never said to those who received from him in the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John: “accord to your good works let it be done unto you” but according to your FAITH let it be done to you. What we see is Jesus addressing those who trusted in their “wondrous works” to get into heaven as “workers of iniquity” (Matt 7:21-23). Salvation we receive from God is by grace through faith, no one can make God a debtor by thinking he can earn right-standing with God by his own performance (see Rom 4:4-5), it is all by grace through faith. Faith receives what God has already provided by Grace. So do the will of the Father by believing in Jesus only, and thou shall be saved (John 6:40, Acts 16:30-31)
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 9:50am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


As a Christian who believes in the finished work of Christ, what comes next?
Let your mind be renewed daily with the truths of who you are in Christ and what you have in Him, only then can you live out your true identity in Christ.

Moreso, Jesus defined the work of God as believing in Him, so as long as you are believing in Him, you are doing the work of God.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

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Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 10:01am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
Let your mind be renewed daily with the truths of who you are in Christ and what you have in Him, only then can you live out your true identity in Christ.

Moreso, Jesus defined the work of God as believing in Him, so as long as you are believing in Him, you are doing the work of God.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

This is the gospel truth.
However, when we juxtapose this with other verses it becomes confusing. Such as Matthew 7:22-27 after the sermon on the mount, he concluded that it is not by just believing or performing miracles in his name but by departing from evil.

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Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 10:21am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


This is the gospel truth.
However, when we juxtapose this with other verses it becomes confusing. Such as Matthew 7:22-27 after the sermon on the mount, he concluded that it is not by just believing or performing miracles in his name but by departing from evil.
no, it is only by believing are we saved. When you are believing and resting in the finished work then you have departed from evil. The word 'evil' in the new testament is the word 'Poneros' and it's first definition is “full of labours” before the second definition says “something bad” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/poneros.html%3famp. In context of Matthew 7:22-27, the evil people there were not people who were living outrightly in sin, but religious people who were trusting in their wondrous works to be saved. They never mentioned that they are trusting in Jesus the Savior to save them, rather their emphases was on what they have done. The were full of labors.

The are no “buts” in the gospel, it is either you are saved completely by grace or you are not. It is not of works lest anyman should boast (Eph 2:8-9). To say we can contribute to the plan of salvation by our doing is to negate the finished work of Christ.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 10:28am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


This is the gospel truth.
However, when we juxtapose this with other verses it becomes confusing. Such as Matthew 7:22-27 after the sermon on the mount, he concluded that it is not by just believing or performing miracles in his name but by departing from evil.
also, on the sermon on the Mount, Jesus did not say that those who hunger and thirsty after righteousness will do righteousness in order to become righteous, but that they shall be FILLED, that's you and I, we have been filled with God's righteousness which we received as a gift (See Romans 5:17). It also says the pure in heart shall see God, that's also you and I because our hearts have been purified by faith in Christ according to Acts 15:9.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 10:32am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
no, it is only by believing are we saved. When you are believing and resting in the finished work then you have departed from evil. The word 'evil' in the new testament is the word 'Poneros' and it's first definition is “full of labours” before the second definition says “something bad” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/poneros.html%3famp. In context of Matthew 7:22-27, the evil people there were not people who were living outrightly in sin, but religious people who were trusting in their wondrous works to be saved. They never mentioned that they are trusting in Jesus the Savior to save them, rather their emphases was on what they have done. The were full of labors.

The are no “buts” in the gospel, it is either you are saved completely by grace or you are not. It is not of works lest anyman should boast (Eph 2:8-9). To say we can contribute to the plan of salvation by our doing is to negate the finished work of Christ.

True.
What of Galatians 5:19-26 which distinguishes the works of flesh from the works of the Spirit?
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 10:37am On Aug 01, 2021
I will like to recommend this powerful short sermon for everyone who will ask questions like “does grace give people license to sin?”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg&t=47s

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Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 10:56am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


True.
What of Galatians 5:19-26 which distinguishes the works of flesh from the works of the Spirit?
we must understand the context of it. Paul was saying in essence that those who walk after the flesh i.e. trusting in your own human efforts and works to be righteous (see Gal 3:2-5) will end up manifesting the works of the flesh. It says in verse 4 of the same chapter (Galatians 5) , that those who are trying to be justified by keeping the law has fallen from grace and Christ has become of NO effect unto them. They cannot bear the fruits of the Spirit because Christ is of NO effect in their lives. It also says in the same chapter (Galatians 5:18) that if you are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. It is when believers are no longer trying to make themselves righteous by obeying the law, can they be led by the Spirit and that's when they can bear the fruits of the Spirit. The Church of Galatia once heard believed that they were saved by grace, but later some religious teachers began to take them back to the law by teaching them that they need to keep the law to be saved, and this was why Paul wrote the book of Galatians to them in to them back to God's grace. The works of the flesh was beginning to manifest in Galatia as they were going back to the law hence the Paul told them “NOW the works of the flesh are manifested”, for him to say NOW, that means it wasn't there before. They were relating to one another in love, peace, meekness, kindness, patience, gentleness because they were established in the truth that God was relating to them in love, peace, patience and so on.
Grace is the answer to sin. The Bible says that sin shall NOT have dominion over you because you are not under law but under grace (see Romans 6:14). The Bible also says that the strength of sin is not grace but the law (see 1.Cor 15:56)! So the more people are established in the truths of God's grace, the more sin will not have dominion over them. So if you truly desire to see people living an overcoming life, preach grace instead, and sin will lose its power.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 10:59am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
I will like to recommend this powerful short sermon for everyone who will ask questions like “does grace give people license to sin?”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fIqZ5sPSEg&t=47s

See this Myer
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 11:02am On Aug 01, 2021
This is what Paul himself says in Galatians 5:11-13
Living Bible
11 Some people even say that I myself am preaching that circumcision and Jewish laws are necessary to the plan of salvation. Well, if I preached that, I would be persecuted no more—for that message doesn’t offend anyone. The fact that I am still being persecuted proves that I am still preaching salvation through faith in the cross of Christ alone.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegateway.com/passage/%3fsearch=Galatians%2b5:11-13&version=TLB&interface=amp
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 11:07am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:


See this Myer

Ok. Watching...

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Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 11:22am On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
we must understand the context of it. Paul was saying in essence that those who walk after the flesh i.e. trusting in your own human efforts and works to be righteous (see Gal 3:2-5) will end up manifesting the works of the flesh. It says in verse 4 of the same chapter (Galatians 5) , that those who are trying to be justified by keeping the law has fallen from grace and Christ has become of NO effect unto them. They cannot bear the fruits of the Spirit because Christ is of NO effect in their lives. It also says in the same chapter (Galatians 5:18) that if you are led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. It is when believers are no longer trying to make themselves righteous by obeying the law, can they be led by the Spirit and that's when they can bear the fruits of the Spirit. The Church of Galatia once heard believed that they were saved by grace, but later some religious teachers began to take them back to the law by teaching them that they need to keep the law to be saved, and this was why Paul wrote the book of Galatians to them in to them back to God's grace. The works of the flesh was beginning to manifest in Galatia as they were going back to the law hence the Paul told them “NOW the works of the flesh are manifested”, for him to say NOW, that means it wasn't there before. They were relating to one another in love, peace, meekness, kindness, patience, gentleness because they were established in the truth that God was relating to them in love, peace, patience and so on.
Grace is the answer to sin. The Bible says that sin shall NOT have dominion over you because you are not under law but under grace (see Romans 6:14). The Bible also says that the strength of sin is not grace but the law (see 1.Cor 15:56)! So the more people are established in the truths of God's grace, the more sin will not have dominion over them. So if you truly desire to see people living an overcoming life, preach grace instead, and sin will lose its power.

What is your understanding of the word Grace.
Do you know that Grace doesn't nullify right from wrong?
It only means when you do what is wrong, you are not bound by the judgment of the law.

At such, there's still what is right and what is wrong.
Which is why one of the works of the Holyspirit is to teach us right from wrong. John 16:7
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 11:38am On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


What is your understanding of the word Grace.
Do you know that Grace doesn't nullify right from wrong?
It only means when you do what is wrong, you are not bound by the judgment of the law.

At such, there's still what is right and what is wrong.
Which is why one of the works of the Holyspirit is to teach us right from wrong. John 16:7
your scriptural reference doesn't say the holy Spirit teaches us what is right and wrong, also I know that the scriptures never tells us to grow in the knowledge of good and evil but in the knowledge to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil is what God forbade man from partaking from, but man went to partake from it, instead of partaking from the tree of life which was also in the garden, which is Christ. Knowing good and evil doesn't mean you will eschew evil and do good. Infact, the reverse was the case when Adam partook of it, and sin began to spread.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Splinz(m): 12:05pm On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
we must understand the context of it. Paul was saying in essence that those who walk after the flesh i.e. trusting in your own human efforts and works to be righteous (see Gal 3:2-5) will end up manifesting the works of the flesh. It says in verse 4 of the same chapter (Galatians 5) , that those who are trying to be justified by keeping the law has fallen from grace and Christ has become of NO effect unto them.

Looking at your statement in bold, the following questions surfaced:

1. Which human efforts and works were the Galatians engaged? Mention at least one.

2. Which law were they attempting to keep in order to be justified?

Expatiate it so that your viewers or listeners can understand what Paul is teaching through inspiration.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 12:24pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


Looking at your statement in bold, the following questions surfaced:

1. Which human efforts and works were the Galatians engaged? Mention at least one.

2. Which law were they attempting to keep in order to be justified?

Expatiate it so that your viewers or listeners can understand what Paul is teaching through inspiration.
good question. The main part of the law that was promoted by the religious teachers in Galatia was circumcision. The thing is that, if you want to keep the law, you cannot choose an aspect to keep, you must keep ALL the requirements of the law or you will come under the curse of the law (see Galatians 3:10). That's why Paul told the Galatians in chapter 5:2-3 that if they agree to be circumcised—referring to circumcision of the flesh, then they must keep all aspects of the law of Moses or they will perish.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Splinz(m): 12:50pm On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
good question. The main part of the law that was promoted by the religious teachers in Galatia was circumcision.

In other words, the law that the Galatians were seeking to keep in order to be justified was the law of circumcision. Very good. Have you seen the need to expatiate? I'm sure viewers will appreciate it.

Now here's another question: Do you know of anyone seeking physical circumcision as a Christian?

Moniter0:

The thing is that, if you want to keep the law, you cannot choose an aspect to keep, you must keep ALL the requirements of the law or you will come under the curse of the law (see Galatians 3:10). That's why Paul told the Galatians in chapter 5:2-3 that if they agree to be circumcised—referring to circumcision of the flesh, then they must keep all aspects of the law of Moses or they will perish.

What are these requirements of the law? You know, supposing you're teaching someone that knows absolutely nothing about the law.

Also, you made mentioned of the "law of Moses". What is the law of Moses? Examples please.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by THELATTERMAN(m): 12:59pm On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


Can you clarify?
In brief, working by faith.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Myer(m): 1:55pm On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
your scriptural reference doesn't say the holy Spirit teaches us what is right and wrong, also I know that the scriptures never tells us to grow in the knowledge of good and evil but in the knowledge to grow in grace and in the knowledge of Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil is what God forbade man from partaking from, but man went to partake from it, instead of partaking from the tree of life which was also in the garden, which is Christ. Knowing good and evil doesn't mean you will eschew evil and do good. Infact, the reverse was the case when Adam partook of it, and sin began to spread.

The sermon on the Mount was Jesus teaching what's right and what's wrong.
For instance we know that works of self righteousness are wrong.
We also know that unbelief is wrong.

Galatians 5:19-26 distinguishes the works of the flesh from the Spirit
Revelations chapters 2 and 3 list the wrongs God found in the 7 churches.

By the way, it is not our faith that will be judged on the last day but our works.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 5:15pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


In other words, the law that the Galatians were seeking to keep in order to be justified was the law of circumcision. Very good. Have you seen the need to expatiate? I'm sure viewers will appreciate it.

Now here's another question: Do you know of anyone seeking physical circumcision as a Christian?



What are these requirements of the law? You know, supposing you're teaching someone that knows absolutely nothing about the law.

Also, you made mentioned of the "law of Moses". What is the law of Moses? Examples please.
good question. I get you point but like I said from the beginning, this thread is for those who HAVE COME TO UNDERSTAND, my duty is not to make people understand, I share what I am prompted to share.
Moreover, the subject of justification before God is not only treated in the book of Galatians but also in the book of Romans. There Paul also taught that we are justified by faith without the deeds of the law, and he mentioned the part of the law which says “thou shalt not covet” in chapter 7 of Romans, so seeking to be justified by the law is not limited to circumcision that the Galatians were tempted to practice alone, but any part of the old testament law of Moses. In 1.Cor 3, the Bible call the law the ministry of death which was engraved on stones, and we know that the part of the law that was engraved on stones is the Ten (10) Commandments. So trying to keep any part of the old testament law of Moses whether circumcision, Ten Commandments, ceremonial law of killing of animals and so on in order to make yourself righteous in the sight of God through such performance is to negate what Jesus has done.

Like I said, this thread is for those who believe in the finished work of Christ, so for those who are yet to, they are at liberty to navigate away
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 5:24pm On Aug 01, 2021
Myer:


The sermon on the Mount was Jesus teaching what's right and what's wrong.
For instance we know that works of self righteousness are wrong.
We also know that unbelief is wrong.

Galatians 5:19-26 distinguishes the works of the flesh from the Spirit
Revelations chapters 2 and 3 list the wrongs God found in the 7 churches.

By the way, it is not our faith that will be judged on the last day but our works.
yea, but we are not commanded to grow in the knowledge of those but in the knowledge of Christ. Paul told the Church in Corinth “For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus and Him crucified” 1.Cor 2:2. So what we should be preaching is the person of Christ and his finished work at the cross. People will be transformed into the same image of Christ effortlessly as they behold Him according to the scriptures.

And be rest assured, the believer has nothing to fear regarding the “judgement day”. There is NO condemnation for those who are in Christ.

Jesus Himself assured that believers will NOT come into judgement in John 5 just before he began to talk about the judgement of the world in the same chapter.

John 5:24 NLT
I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Splinz(m): 6:10pm On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
So trying to keep any part of the old testament law of Moses whether circumcision, Ten Commandments, ceremonial law of killing of animals and so on in order to make yourself righteous in the sight of God through such performance is to negate what Jesus has done.

Paul also taught that:
Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good (Romans 7:12)
If you say that the Ten Commandments is the "ministry of death", why is same Paul describing the Ten Commandments in such glowing terms: holy, just, and good? If these qualities of God brings death, then what is it that brings life?

Moniter0:

Like I said, this thread is for those who believe in the finished work of Christ, so for those who are yet to, they are at liberty to navigate away

Shouldn't it rather be for Christians? By the way, who are those believing in incomplete work of Christ?
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 6:36pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


Paul also taught that: If you say that the Ten Commandments is the "ministry of death", why is same Paul describing the Ten Commandments in such glowing terms: holy, just, and good? If these qualities of God brings death, then what is it that brings life?



Shouldn't it rather be for Christians? By the way, who are those believing in incomplete work of Christ?
this is hilarious. I am not the one that called it the ministry of death, the Bible did! And yes it says that the law is just and holy, but it doesn't say it can make us just and holy, only Jesus has made us just and holy, because we are JUSTified and sanctified (made holy) by faith in Him. Get that?

It seems you just decided to evade the context of Romans 7, because it says that those were under the law are now dead to the law and have been delivered FROM the law. Meaning we have no relationship with the law whatsoever.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 6:42pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


Paul also taught that: If you say that the Ten Commandments is the "ministry of death", why is same Paul describing the Ten Commandments in such glowing terms: holy, just, and good? If these qualities of God brings death, then what is it that brings life?



Shouldn't it rather be for Christians? By the way, who are those believing in incomplete work of Christ?
hilarious. Can you mention where it attributed, ascribed and equated the just and holy nature of the law to the qualities of God? Don't add to the Bible. God is just and holy, but you cannot put the God's just and holy qualities and that of the law on the same level.
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Splinz(m): 8:11pm On Aug 01, 2021
Moniter0:
hilarious. Can you mention where it attributed, ascribed and equated the just and holy nature of the law to the qualities of God?

The question rather is: Is God holy, righteous and good?

Moniter0:

Don't add to the Bible. God is just and holy, but you cannot put the God's just and holy qualities and that of the law on the same level.

Same is the Law which He gave. After all, the Law just like God is spiritual (John 4:24, Romans 7:14). smiley
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 8:14pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


The question rather is: Is God holy, righteous and good?



Same is the Law which He gave. After all, the Law just like God is spiritual (John 4:24, Romans 7:14). smiley
the question is the just and holy standard of the law same as God himself?
Re: Thread For Believers In The Finished Work Of Christ by Moniter0: 8:21pm On Aug 01, 2021
Splinz:


The question rather is: Is God holy, righteous and good?



Same is the Law which He gave. After all, the Law just like God is spiritual (John 4:24, Romans 7:14). smiley

Do you know that although the law commands that one should not steal, it doesn't say that one should be generous? But God's holiness and goodness surpasses or goes beyond “not stealing” to about giving and more. So the law is no where near the just, holy and good standard of God, otherwise there were people who were observing the law in Jesus' time, yet Jesus said none of the was good except God.

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