musicwriter:
That's the absolute truth. And please stop wasting your time further with that guy. He's still trapped in Jesus. Funny enough, when I became HALF awake I was still trapped in Jesus for two years until I realized what a fraud Jesus is.

Again, please don't waste your time any longer talking to anybody who believes in Jesus. They think like babies.

22jumpstreet:
The truth of the matter is that you take them from the beginning of show them that there was never any need for the Jesus character, whether they understand you or not, they will still find a way to bring him to the discussion. I have been singing from the top of my voice that he is just a Roman/Greek creation. There is no where in the entire Tanakh that God or any prophet claimed that God was going to have a son by impregnating a human woman to sacrifice his life as a Ransome. No where. But they have refused to remove their Jesus glasses. They want to hold on to absurdities...

The thing just tire me.

Yahuah Never Claimed He Had A Son With A Human To Atone You For Your Sin Anywhere... This Is Blasphemy. Not Even The Prophets Make This Claim

GardenOfGod:

Your Contradiction.... Evident!

Adhering to your instructions, I tried to use my mature brain to analyse your thesis and commentaries on some teachings of the Bible, especially the story of Adam and Eve.
At first you submitted that the entire story was "an allegory and it wasn't meant to be taken literally".
You continue by illustrating the story of the King, his daughter, elephant and tortoises. Saying, just like the story wasn't a real story, so was the story of Adam and Eve. In conclusion you said that "There was no Adam.
There was no Eve
There was no Satan
There was no God
There was no fruit
There was no garden of Eden"

However, in your second attempt to analyse your thesis further, you committed a blunder. Utterly contradict your first position by giving your own version of a story you earlier said never existed. A story you was just a mere allegory and not literal. But you have told your own literal meaning of it.
How ridiculous!

22jumpstreet:


The truth of the matter is that you take them from the beginning of show them that there was never any need for the Jesus character, whether they understand you or not, they will still find a way to bring him to the discussion. I have been singing from the top of my voice that he is just a Roman/Greek creation. There is no where in the entire Tanakh that God or any prophet claimed that God was going to have a son by impregnating a human woman to sacrifice his life as a Ransome. No where. But they have refused to remove their Jesus glasses. They want to hold on to absurdities...

The thing just tire me.

BassReeves:


Luke 24:27
'And having begun from Moses and from all the Prophets,
He interpreted to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.'

Luke 24:44
'Then He said to them,
“This is what I told you while I was still with you,
everything which has been written about Me in the Law of Moses and the [writings of the] Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”'

John 5:39
'You search and keep on searching and examining the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life;
and yet it is those [very Scriptures] that testify about Me;'

1. Is the name Yahshua, of Roman/Greek origin?
2. What's the meaning of the name Yahshua? What the implication?
3. Genesis 3:15? What's it mean to you?

musicwriter:


Even the bible Jesus never claimed to be a Messiah. In fact, when the bible read properly without religious dogmatism, Jesus himself said he wasn't the Messiah at all and even warned the people he was speaking to that "many will come in my name, claiming, "I am the Messiah" and will deceive many."

Once understood on the context that he was talking to people sitting with him, the meaning becomes clear. And that's why the bible authors added inverted commas to denote that what the speaker and author meant is that "many would come in Jesus name claiming that Jesus is the messiah." That's the most fulfilled prophecy in the bible but Christianity makes educated people stupid to interpret the very sentence in their own eyes.

BassReeves:
The trio, thats including the 22jumpstreet guy havent got a Scooby Doo idea.

So you too have noticed how addicted all three are, to repeating things in vain. Easy, simple and straightforward I asked OP, musicwriter, to share all he came up with is 'foreigners (Europeans and Arabs) got jealous, came here and destroyed everything we created.' Before that the first Woman was called Eva, but when he was asked, why was she called Eva? Who called her or gave her the name Eva?, he clammed up, resorting to belittling people calling them babies and all sorts

I posited to 22jumpstreet that if 22jumpstreet is equipped enough and be able to explain, how a menopause and impotent couple were able to give birth to the promised child when well advanced in age, then 22jumpstreet will get an ah ha moment and arrive at the answer to the 22jumpstreet flippant remark(s), that's betraying a confused state of the mind, but hey ...

Once you know what Adam represented, talking in terms of being a prototype, then you'll understand, not only the significance for the reason of another one, but also be able to relate with the varying dynamics, levels, processes, journeys to arrive at that salvation place or destination

You know what they say. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. It rings true, so, I reiterate God, by proxy, Yahshua ha'Mashiah, God Incarnate, saves.

You know what they say. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself

BassReeves:


Luke 24:27
'And having begun from Moses and from all the Prophets,
He interpreted to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.'

Luke 24:44
'Then He said to them,
“This is what I told you while I was still with you,
everything which has been written about Me in the Law of Moses and the [writings of the] Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”'

John 5:39
'You search and keep on searching and examining the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life;
and yet it is those [very Scriptures] that testify about Me;'

1. Is the name Yahshua, of Roman/Greek origin?
2. What's the meaning of the name Yahshua? What the implication?
3. Genesis 3:15? What's it mean to you?

22jumpstreet:
Lol..you are still ignorant of everything. The new testament is not of God. It has nothing to do with the God of the Tanakh.

22jumpstreet:
The name there is "jesus"..not Yahshua..and jesus is of Greek origin. Much like persius and the likes.

22jumpstreet:
The name can mean whatever you want it to mean, bottomline is there is no body in history that answered that name and was born by a virgin....

22jumpstreet:
Virgin births are paramount to Greeks and Roman mythology. You have watched "clash of the titans". The jews don't have it as part of their belief..

22jumpstreet:
The Genesis story was referring to all of humanity. It means the offspring of the woman will be enemies with the snake ,they will strike its head to kill it...moreover it is not a prophesy. It is God making judgements. God is not a prophet..

22jumpstreet:
God already gave a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd chronicle 7:14.

22jumpstreet:
The jesus thingy has got nothing to do with God.. QED.

22jumpstreet:
Confess and forsake I will forgive you...

No blood sacrifice required or necessary...

22jumpstreet:
[s]MENTIONED ANOTHER 13 TIMES THAT THE CREATOR IS ALONE - 3 TIMES MENTIONING IN ISAIAH THAT GOD CAN NOT BE LIKENEND TO ANYONE OR ANYTHING- AND STILL YOU DO NOT BELIEVE HIM? WHERE DID GOD EVER MENTION ANYONE OR ANYTHING THAT CAN FORGIVE/REDEEM THE SINS OF HIS PEOPLE?
Isaiah 45:18-19
For this is what The Lord says – He who created the heavens, He is ELOHIM; He who fashioned and made the earth, He founded it; He did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited – He says: “I am YAHUAH, and there is no other. I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob’s descendants, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I, YAHUAH, speak the truth; I declare what is right.”
Isaiah 45:21-22
“…who announced this before, who declared it from the distant past? Is it not I, YAHUAH, and there is no ELOHIM apart from Me, a righteous ELOHIM and Savior; there is none but Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am ELOHIM, and there is no other!”
Isaiah 46:5
“To whom shall you liken Me and make Me equal and compare Me that we may be alike?”
Isaiah 46:9
“Remember the first things of old, that I am ELOHIM and there is no other; I am ELOHIM and there is none like Me.”
Isaiah 48:11
“…And My honor I will not give to another.”
Hosea 13:4
“And I am YAHUAH your ELOHIM, Who brought you out of Egypt. You shall acknowledge no ELOHIM but Me, no Savior except Me!”
Joel 2:27
“And you shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and I am YAHUAH your ELOHIM, there is no other; and My people shall never be ashamed.”
Malachi 2:10
“Have we not all one Father? Has not one ELOHIM Created us? Why should we betray, each one his brother, to profane the Covenant of our forefathers?”
Psalm 73:25
“Whom have I in heaven but You? And earth has nothing I desire besides You.”
Psalm 81:8-9
“Hear, O My people, and I will admonish you; O Israel, if you would listen to Me! Let there be no strange god among you; nor shall you worship any foreign god.”
Psalm 146:3
“Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation!”
Nehemiah 9:6
“You alone are YAHUAH; You made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens and all their host, the earth and all that is upon it, the seas and all that is in them, and You give life to them all, and the heavenly host bow down before You.”
I Chronicles 17:20
“O YAHUAH, there is none like You, neither is there any ELOHIM beside You, according to all that we have heard with our ears!”[/s]

There is no where it says it will be done by proxy like you claim...

22jumpstreet:
So I really wonder where the so called new testament writers got their idea of Jesus from?

musicwriter:
Even the bible Jesus never claimed to be a Messiah. In fact, when the bible read properly without religious dogmatism, Jesus himself said he wasn't the Messiah at all and even warned the people he was speaking to that "many will come in my name, claiming, "I am the Messiah" and will deceive many."

Once understood on the context that he was talking to people sitting with him, the meaning becomes clear. And that's why the bible authors rightly added inverted commas to denote that what the speaker and author meant is that "many would come in Jesus name claiming that Jesus is the messiah." That's the most fulfilled prophecy in the bible but Christianity makes educated people stupid to interpret the very sentence in their own eyes.

22jumpstreet:
God go bless you 10000000 times.

BassReeves:
John 4:25-26
'25The woman said to Him,
“I know that Messiah is coming (He who is called Christ--the Anointed); when that One comes, He will tell us everything [we need to know].” 26Jesus said to her,
“I who speak to you, am He/b] (the Messiah).”'

[b]Matthew 16:13-18
'13Now when Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples,
“Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
14And they answered, “Some say John the Baptist; others, Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah, or [just] one of the prophets.”
15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed), the Son of the living God.”
17Then Jesus answered him,
“Blessed [happy, spiritually secure, favored by God] are you, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood (mortal man) did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
18And I say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades (death) will not overpower it [by preventing the resurrection of the Christ].'

Hmm, I wonder what sort of bible you read... dumb has spoken, anyway. Let's wait to see what dumber has to say in supporting dumb.

Speak of the devil.

Smh. Darkness is so predictable, so I am not surprised because I was expecting and knew such crass comment, from that direction, like this, would come hither

BassReeves:
The trio, thats including the 22jumpstreet guy havent got a Scooby Doo idea.

So you too have noticed how addicted all three are, to repeating things in vain. Easy, simple and straightforward I asked OP, musicwriter, to share all he came up with is 'foreigners (Europeans and Arabs) got jealous, came here and destroyed everything we created.' Before that the first Woman was called Eva, but when he was asked, why was she called Eva? Who called her or gave her the name Eva?, he clammed up, resorting to belittling people calling them babies and all sorts

I posited to 22jumpstreet that if 22jumpstreet is equipped enough and be able to explain, how a menopause and impotent couple were able to give birth to the promised child when well advanced in age, then 22jumpstreet will get an ah ha moment and arrive at the answer to the 22jumpstreet flippant remark(s), that's betraying a confused state of the mind, but hey ...

Once you know what Adam represented, talking in terms of being a prototype, then you'll understand, not only the significance for the reason of another one, but also be able to relate with the varying dynamics, levels, processes, journeys to arrive at that salvation place or destination

You know what they say. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. It rings true, so, I reiterate God, by proxy, Yahshua ha'Mashiah, God Incarnate, saves.

You know what they say. If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself

BassReeves:


John 3:14-21
'14Just as Moses lifted up the [bronze] serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross],
15so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life [after physical death, and will actually live forever].
16“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.
17For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him.
18Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him].
19This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]:
the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.
20For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light [but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned.
21But whoever practices truth [and does what is right--morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light, so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--accomplished in God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].”'

Well, I repeat. When would you learn that The New testament, is the Old testament revealed and the Old testament, is the New testament concealed?

GardenOfGod:

Utterly contradict your first position by giving your own version of a story you earlier said never existed.

budaatum:


A story we can both pick up a book and read does not exist, Garden?

Yesterday, buda flew to the moon and chopped some off and ate it. It tasted like Swiss cheese Then buda flew to Mars and danced with a dandy gentleman.

Nice story, right? Now you've read it, do tell if it exists or not, it might help you see who blundered.

GardenOfGod:
Obviously you misunderstood me

Exmilitant:
Arab as a people predates the Greeks and Romans. Islam is simply a syncretism of Arabic traditions and the laws of Moses. For the record, Arabs and Israelis have been partners with blacks since time.

budaatum:


People fail to understand why it is written that, "Out of Egypt I called my Son", and would resist being freed from their own mental slavery which can only be cured by eating the fruits of the tree of knowledge which has roots in Egypt which is now presented to us as a Greco-Roman idea!

Once people learn to use their own senses like Eve is written to have, they'll accept that Eve did not surely die, and their eyes will indeed open too.

killmods:

Ignorance.. the death here is not a physical one of the body but a spiritual one. A complete separation from God. The fall of mankind. And Jesus was the means of reconciliation to life from death ( separation from God)

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

budaatum:

Like claiming "surely die" is spiritual death?
I get you.

O Lord God Almighty, please let my spiritual death be as productive as the spiritual death of Adam and Eve, in Jesus Mighty Name, amen.

If I spiritually die and then go on to live for a tenth as long as we read they went on to live, and achieve a billionth of what we read they then went on to achieve, I think Nigeria and probably the entire world will make me at least a minor god, though I'd have to insist they don't bow down and worship me but just do greater things than I would have done.

killmods:

Ignorance.. the death here is not a physical one of the body but a spiritual one. A complete separation from God. The fall of mankind. And Jesus was the means of reconciliation to life from death ( separation from God)

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

musicwriter:

Finally, the rule of thumb is that the word "Christ" predate your Jesus. There are so many older "saviors", "messiahs" known by history before your Jesus, therefore Jesus has to be a fraud.

musicwriter:


Someone is trying to put you right, yet you jump into fire. The story is not a real event. Its an allegory!!

Eve did not die but was awakened to knowledge of living by her own senses i.e being able to know right or wrong and choosing what and what not to do. Adam and Eve in Genesis were actually reconciled with God, not separated from God. All rights you enjoy today as a human being was given you by Eve and satan!! Not God. Of course, I am speaking metaphorically. There was no Eve, satan, God, fruit, etc.

The concept of reconciliation with Christ is a European fraud to steal the original idea which was already in Africa for thousands of years. See the main article: what's Satan? What's Lucifer? on my blog www.africason.com

Christ and Satan are one and the same person. The Satan in Genesis is the same as Christ. Satan saved mankind from perfection. Perfection as used in Genesis in its right interpretation, means stagnation, end of innovation, end of ideas, lack of progress, death. That's why Adam and Eve must eat of the fruit (acquire new knowledge) to live.

Finally, the rule of thumb is that the word "Christ" predate your Jesus. There are so many older "saviors", "messiahs" known by history before your Jesus, therefore Jesus has to be a fraud.

oteneaaron:


Like Horus, Zoroaster, Bacchus, Dionysus, and Mythrias.

I learnt this after studying this book by Alvin Boyd Khun - - WHO IS THIS KING OF GLORY?

musicwriter:


Yes, history has a record of at least 16 people called Christ, messiah, savior long time before anybody heard of a Jesus. That's why Rome burnt all other ancient scriptures once they so called converted to Christianity.

No spiritual system developed in Europe. Everything Europeans have worshipped came from other people but it wasn't imposed on them, rather they adopted it and customized it to their taste. Even the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus on your signature was stolen from Africa. The original African name is Thot.

musicwriter:
I'll be back for more but if you want to get ahead of others, see the full version on my blog. What is Satan? What is Lucifer? https://www.africason.com/2021/07/what-is-satan.html?m=1

I just want to do a Nairalander version.

So is the Adam and Eve story in the bible and Koran. Everybody has heard of how God created Adam and Eve in a garden of Eden where they lived in perfection. Then Satan came, tempted the woman Eve and made her to eat the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.
https://www.africason.com/2021/07/what-is-satan.html?m=1

musicwriter:

Eve did not die but was awakened to knowledge of living by her own senses i.e being able to know right or wrong and choosing what and what not to do.

budaatum:


Odd thing is, this is clearly shown in the book then someone tells people Adam and Eve surely died and people disbelieve the evidence they witness with their own eyes and start spreading lies and ignorance as if they can not read how the same supposed dead Adam and Eve populated the earth.

We should of course begin with 'What is God', then What is 'Christ'.

Musicwriter, I want you to consider the book is not hiding the truth but actually revealing it. You, would be my example of this fact. If your eyes had not been opened by 'Christ', your 35 years of blindness would have been elongated.

musicwriter:

If someone read the bible without Christendom's preconception of what their church denominations believe the book to be saying, the true message would be clearer.

The bible would make people smart when the Genesis creation story interpreted correctly.

budaatum:


Now we just need to ensure the darkness of ignorance does not continue to overcome the Light of Understanding.

https://www.nairaland.com/4960881/garden-eden-childs-view

https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

Can music be written for it, I wonder.

musicwriter:


That's not the type of song people want to hear at this time. However, some good brothers have already put it in songs, one way or the other.

Bob Marley- Give thanks and praises
Tarrus Riley- Love created
Israel vibration- Fallen angels
Nasio Fontaine- Babylon
Burning Spear- Christopher Columbus
Lucky Dube- Shembe is the way, not Jesus
Etc...