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Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Kyf1: 6:48pm On Oct 30, 2021
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Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by wonderr(m): 7:12pm On Oct 30, 2021
Comparing Drogba to Salah should be charged as a murder offense
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Monday60655(m): 8:14pm On Oct 30, 2021
Why will you even compare two of them for the first place. Salah no be Drogba mate na!
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by koolaid87: 8:37pm On Oct 30, 2021
Ghostmode2two:
Drogba rules. Don't compare. The other day on top radio one presenter was saying that the British referred to Mo Salah as an African. He went further to say is No Salah really an African? Claiming Salah is from Egypt so he is a white man. I was just laughing because what he said doesn't make brain to me. No Salah is an African. this white people don't just like Africans and black people generally. I don't really know what's thier problem. About Africans and black people. That is also what the Brazilians are doing where they introduced whitening policy in which they told all the elite blacks to get married to white people so that their children will get white color and the process will continue until the skins of generations to come will be all white. If you are very observant you will notice that most popular Brazilian footballers who are blacks end up marrying white gwomen especially the blond ones all in the name of whitening policy. Like Neymar he is not a black man


The animosity that whites have for black folks is predestined, they can't help it and the only reason is that we are the only race that can send them into extinction.

Also, regardless of how deep a mixed race children look, they'll forever be considered an african cos of our strong and dominant genes. Even whites will never accept any mixed race as their own.

Salah, neyma, Chris Brown will never be considered an aryan blood.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by myami: 8:55pm On Oct 30, 2021
TheOnlyUyai:
How dare you compare both of them?
hi, you look adorable
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Adjovi: 11:12pm On Oct 30, 2021
abbey621:


LEt me know when you wake up.....CAP!

You're the one that needs waking up. Assist, goals, chances created, Salah has all than drogba. Individual awards Salah has more, wetin Una wan use compare again?
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by tianshie(m): 12:08am On Oct 31, 2021
Like for Salah. Share for Drogba.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 2:49am On Oct 31, 2021
Adjovi:


You're the one that needs waking up. Assist, goals, chances created, Salah has all than drogba. Individual awards Salah has more, wetin Una wan use compare again?

You expect striker to create chances? Salah is a winger it's his job! Furthermore Salah plays in the soft era where multiple players score 25 or more goals per season, it's like saying Salah is better than Ronaldo El Fenomo because salah has the better stats....You have a lot to learn young man grin
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 4:21am On Oct 31, 2021
abbey621:


You expect striker to create chances? Salah is a winger it's his job! Furthermore Salah plays in the soft era where multiple players score 25 or more goals per season, it's like saying Salah is better than Ronaldo El Fenomo because salah has the better stats....You have a lot to learn young man grin

Do not hide behind De Lima. It's Drogba we are talking about here. Not a three-time world best winner.
Drogba had more shots but a lesser conversion rate, that's why Salah's ahead of him. But Salah isn't your conventional winger. He's Liverpool's main forward.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by McTominay(m): 8:21am On Oct 31, 2021
Ahmad62:
Liverpool star Mohamed Salah has become the highest-scoring African player in Premier League history after a phenomenal hat-trick against Manchester United.


The Egyptian was in scintillating form once again as the Reds ran riot at Old Trafford, scoring for the 10th consecutive league game and his 15th goal in just 12 games (in all competitions) this season.

The 29-year-old first set up Naby Keita for the opening goal and played a role in the build-up to Diogo Jota's strike for the second.

With his treble, it means Salah has now scored 107 goals in the top flight, helping him surpass retired Chelsea legend Didier Drogba on 104.

What is more remarkable is that Drogba needed 254 games to rack up his goals total with eight seasons spent in the Premier League.

Meanwhile, Salah has featured in only 167 games, with 154 for Liverpool and 13 at Chelsea which produced only two goals.

There remains a chance his Liverpool team-mate Sadio Mane could join him at the summit, with the Senegalese seven goals back on 100.

But Salah's incredible form, which has seen him net in every game this season aside from the 2-0 win over Burnley, would surely protect his lead for now over Mane.

Salah has already broken several records this season, becoming the quickest player to reach 100 Premier League goals for Liverpool earlier this season.
Everybody get mouth now... Let's be realistic, different times different players. DD played in a star studded squad and for most periods of his premier league career Chelsea were the team to beat forget say United dey win trophy, na because of Ferguson's masterclass.
Mo Salah, is a very good forward, world class, I know some won't agree but it's the truth. He joined a teamed which punched above it's weight to achieve success.
Truth be told fear Salah, I am a United fan. I never one day was worried about playing drogba. His records were decent. If u had removed DD and put obagoal or yakubu at Chelsea, you might have had similar results to be honest. Which African can u replace with Salah at Liverpool and will still be as averagely equivalent as he is?
We all know DD final records, but Mo Salah is on another level

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Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Exceed15: 11:01am On Oct 31, 2021
Simdyofficial:
Make una stop this rubbish. Drogba no be sallah mate..

Oil dey head

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Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by FIFApresident1(m): 4:18pm On Oct 31, 2021
Lamasta:

Salah is yet to win the nations cup if am not mistaken....

For Salah records

https://olympics.com/en/featured-news/mo-salah-football-liverpool-egypt-olympics-11-facts

For Drogba records

https://www.transfermarkt.com/didier-drogba/erfolge/spieler/3924
Drogba didn't win an Afcon
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Lamasta(m): 5:29pm On Oct 31, 2021
FIFApresident1:

Drogba didn't win an Afcon
His personal records beats Salah now so what's the comparison for
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by FIFApresident1(m): 5:42pm On Oct 31, 2021
Lamasta:

His personal records beats Salah now so what's the comparison for

you said Salah is yet to with the nations cup, in other words (Drogba has won while salah hasn't ).....


moreover, Drogba only Trump Salah when it comes to total number of trophies won( Remember Salah is still playing, it might still catch up)

but when it comes to goal scoring, Salah is a better goal scorer despite not being a true striker... he has a better goal ratio.

Drogba only scored 104 Epl goals in all his eight years in Epl(that's damn average for a Striker playing in a big club).

I prefers Salah to Drogba.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Lamasta(m): 5:50pm On Oct 31, 2021
FIFApresident1:


you said Salah is yet to with the nations cup, in other words (Drogba has won while salah hasn't ).....


moreover, Drogba only Trump Salah when it comes to total number of trophies won( Remember Salah is still playing, it might still catch up)

but when it comes to goal scoring, Salah is a better goal scorer despite not being a true striker... he has a better goal ratio.

Drogba only scored 104 Epl goals in all his eight years in Epl(that's damn average for a Striker playing in a big club).

I prefers Salah to Drogba.
Stop comparing Salah to Drogba abeg
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 6:42pm On Oct 31, 2021
DesChyko:


Do not hide behind De Lima. It's Drogba we are talking about here. Not a three-time world best winner.
Drogba had more shots but a lesser conversion rate, that's why Salah's ahead of him. But Salah isn't your conventional winger. He's Liverpool's main forward.

You're missing the point and it's funny! If De Lima has a worse record according to stats than Salah, does it make Salah better than De Lima? If you can answer this honestly, you would know that your whole argument based on stats is RIDICULOUS! We are talking about impact here, when the game is on the line, who would you rather have in your team, Salah or Drogba?

If you can sit here and type Salah then there's no point arguing again because indomie generation will always be indomie generation grin grin
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 7:57pm On Oct 31, 2021
abbey621:


You're missing the point and it's funny! If De Lima has a worse record according to stats than Salah, does it make Salah better than De Lima? If you can answer this honestly, you would know that your whole argument based on stats is RIDICULOUS! We are talking about impact here, when the game is on the line, who would you rather have in your team, Salah or Drogba?

If you can sit here and type Salah then there's no point arguing again because indomie generation will always be indomie generation grin grin

The topic clearly stated:

"WHICH AFRICAN FORWARD IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?"

Stop smuggling in De Lima who is neither African nor played in the Premier League.
That's being clever by half. cry
This is just season beginning..and if his form is anything to go by, this argument will be with someone else better than Drogba as far as Premier League is concerned.

And hiding behind Indomie generation whatever instead of stating facts will fool only who wants to be fooled.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Adjovi: 10:54pm On Oct 31, 2021
abbey621:


You expect striker to create chances? Salah is a winger it's his job! Furthermore Salah plays in the soft era where multiple players score 25 or more goals per season, it's like saying Salah is better than Ronaldo El Fenomo because salah has the better stats....You have a lot to learn young man grin


Mention the soft era? Mention the strikers that score 20 plus goals in the EPL per season? Suarez scored 31 will you say drogba was better than Suarez?
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 11:08pm On Oct 31, 2021
Adjovi:



Mention the soft era? Mention the strikers that score 20 plus goals in the EPL per season? Suarez scored 31 will you say drogba was better than Suarez?

I won't argue with you but to give you perspective, the mighty Henry in all his glory only had a 30 goal plus season ONCE! Suarez had it once too but Salah is on track to do it twice. Now since you believe stats are everything and we should not mention team achievement/glory, it is only inevitable that your reasoning leads you to believe that Salah is greater then Henry, Drogba and even Van Persie since the later could only acdhieve this feat once......Comedy!
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 11:12pm On Oct 31, 2021
DesChyko:


The topic clearly stated:

"WHICH AFRICAN FORWARD IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE WOULD YOU CHOOSE?"

Stop smuggling in De Lima who is neither African nor played in the Premier League.
That's being clever by half. cry
This is just season beginning..and if his form is anything to go by, this argument will be with someone else better than Drogba as far as Premier League is concerned.

And hiding behind Indomie generation whatever instead of stating facts will fool only who wants to be fooled.

Where did this one come from? Who or what broke you off your leash? The young man I've been conversing with used stats to defend greatness and I countered that stats are not everything, we have moved beyond the initial discussion but into a discussion of stats versus reputation. If you want to join the conversation start from a position that makes sense not one of rhetorical jargon!
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 3:11am On Nov 01, 2021
abbey621:


Where did this one come from? Who or what broke you off your leash? The young man I've been conversing with used stats to defend greatness and I countered that stats are not everything, we have moved beyond the initial discussion but into a discussion of stats versus reputation. If you want to join the conversation start from a position that makes sense not one of rhetorical jargon!

Not once did any relevant player surface in this rebuttal. Says much about your intent to spar with mud smear and not facts. grin
By the time this season is over, it will be a question of himself against club legend, Steven Gerrard; in just 5 years of signing with them.
And you dare to think Drogba actually edges him now that he's already in the rearview mirror.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 3:27am On Nov 01, 2021
abbey621:


I won't argue with you but to give you perspective, the mighty Henry in all his glory only had a 30 goal plus season ONCE! Suarez had it once too but Salah is on track to do it twice. Now since you believe stats are everything and we should not mention team achievement/glory, it is only inevitable that your reasoning leads you to believe that Salah is greater then Henry, Drogba and even Van Persie since the later could only acdhieve this feat once......Comedy!

Suarez isn't regarded as a PL great, maybe relevant to Liverpool but not to the PL since he really didn't make much of an impact before swapping leagues.

Henry and Van Persie are way ahead of Salah when it comes to PL goals, and if Salah continues this form for about 2/3 more seasons, could well be in the conversation and why not?

Drogba is already out of the conversation. That's just it. He was a key player to Chelsea's Galactico side and their successes and that's about that; Salah didn't have it that easy at first. And it didn't stop him from making his mark.

Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 4:29am On Nov 01, 2021
DesChyko:


Not once did any relevant player surface in this rebuttal. Says much about your intent to spar with mud smear and not facts. grin
By the time this season is over, it will be a question of himself against club legend, Steven Gerrard; in just 5 years of signing with them.
And you dare to think Drogba actually edges him now that he's already in the rearview mirror.

Joker.....Before I thought you were using stats to justify your point but now you're just clowning.....Gerrard? grin grin grin We get it, we get it you're a Liverpool fan.....Makes sense now grin grin grin
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 6:42am On Nov 01, 2021
abbey621:


Joker.....Before I thought you were using stats to justify your point but now you're just clowning.....Gerrard? grin grin grin We get it, we get it you're a Liverpool fan.....Makes sense now grin grin grin

Yet another post without any unique reference to the subject at hand. Who's clowning now?
Oh, and by mentioning Gerrard, I meant he's probably the next person he might overtake this season should this form continue. A simple reference to the all-time scoring charts that brought about this comparison in the first place.
Sorry you misread that.
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by gannod(m): 7:27am On Nov 01, 2021
Ahmad62:
Liverpool star Mohamed Salah has become the highest-scoring African player in Premier League history after a phenomenal hat-trick against Manchester United.


The Egyptian was in scintillating form once again as the Reds ran riot at Old Trafford, scoring for the 10th consecutive league game and his 15th goal in just 12 games (in all competitions) this season.

The 29-year-old first set up Naby Keita for the opening goal and played a role in the build-up to Diogo Jota's strike for the second.

With his treble, it means Salah has now scored 107 goals in the top flight, helping him surpass retired Chelsea legend Didier Drogba on 104.

What is more remarkable is that Drogba needed 254 games to rack up his goals total with eight seasons spent in the Premier League.

Meanwhile, Salah has featured in only 167 games, with 154 for Liverpool and 13 at Chelsea which produced only two goals.

There remains a chance his Liverpool team-mate Sadio Mane could join him at the summit, with the Senegalese seven goals back on 100.

But Salah's incredible form, which has seen him net in every game this season aside from the 2-0 win over Burnley, would surely protect his lead for now over Mane.

Salah has already broken several records this season, becoming the quickest player to reach 100 Premier League goals for Liverpool earlier this season.





Comparing Drogba and Sallah is a no -no for me. Drogba played when we had top defenders in Europe and he flourished. The likes of Ferdinand, Vidic,Skertel,Hyppia, Carragher,Agger,kolo Toure,Carles Puyol, pique,Boateng, van buyten e.t.c did their best to stop Drogba to no avail. How many top defenders do we have now? Do you honestly think Sallah would have flourished with those defenders at their prime as Drogba did?

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Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 2:19pm On Nov 01, 2021
DesChyko:


Yet another post without any unique reference to the subject at hand. Who's clowning now?
Oh, and by mentioning Gerrard, I meant he's probably the next person he might overtake this season should this form continue. A simple reference to the all-time scoring charts that brought about this comparison in the first place.
Sorry you misread that.

Yea you should have phrased that better! Stats stats stats.....That's all you seem to care about, it's boring! Even Peter Crouch and Heskey have more goals than Drogba yet they don't measure up to him at all......When you're ready to discuss more than stats then we can have a meaningful conversation, for now you can continue deluding yourself!

Lukaku, Robbie Keane, Hasselbaink all have higher goal totals but all fall short of Drogba when we talk about impact or history, you're right tho if Salah can continue this form for couple more years and win more league titles perhaps he'll be mentioned in the same breath as Shearer, Drogba and even Andy Cole but for now one league title and CL is not enough to overtake Drogba. Once again look beyond the stats, there's no way you can ignore 4 league titles, one CL title and numerous FA cups(Arsenal destroyer) in which Drogba had unrivaled impact in 90% of them including finals and say Salah is better because he has a higher goal total despite lesser achievements.....WHO DOES THAT?

This is a discussion for adults and you've got to use more than stats to defend your position, I've already shown you why stats are for amateurs using Ronaldo De Lima as an example, please stop going back to the same stats to prove your point.....It's getting redundant!
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by Classickj(m): 4:33pm On Nov 01, 2021
Ahmad62:
This is one is tough oo... But salah will achieve more than drogba has achieved in the PL before he leaves.... This I have seen
apart from goals wetin salah achieve pass Double D
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 8:25pm On Nov 01, 2021
abbey621:


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Need I remind you that the basis of this is Premier League?? All these other cups you're shipping in were never in the discussion. For one who prides so much in flaunting the word 'adult' around, you seem not to be able to focus effectively. That's hardly an adult thing but let's not digress.

This is, from the beginning about their PL exploits. Drogba won 4 titles with Chelsea, fair play to him. Salah has managed one with Liverpool, fair play to him too. Difference is, Abramovic set all of that in motion in just a year of buying the club. Liverpool were actually gargantuan since but couldn't in all their PL history until Salah and co. made it happen. I for one, appreciate team effort though in bringing home titles, granted that there are standout performers in each game.

But let's get down to the specifics. How did their goals as forwards matter to their teams, with or without the titles?
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 9:08pm On Nov 01, 2021
DesChyko:


Need I remind you that the basis of this is Premier League?? All these other cups you're shipping in were never in the discussion. For one who prides so much in flaunting the word 'adult' around, you seem not to be able to focus effectively. That's hardly an adult thing but let's not digress.

This is, from the beginning about their PL exploits. Drogba won 4 titles with Chelsea, fair play to him. Salah has managed one with Liverpool, fair play to him too. Difference is, Abramovic made all of that happen in just a year of buying the club. Liverpool were actually gargantuan but couldn't in all their PL history until Salah and co. made it happen.

But let's get down to the specifics. How did their goals as forwards matter to their teams, with or without the titles?

Tuche! Let's keep it to PL, here you go again with semantics! What do you mean with or without titles? Greatness is known by winning things, since when did losers get praised above winners? Furthermore I did not argue with you about Salah being great for Liverpool or being great period! My argument is simple, you place him above someone with 4 league titles based on what? Goals scored? Should we ignore coach's mindset(Mourinho parker of buses), team quality etc? Remember I am not arguing with you based on anything other than the simple fact, "stats alone is not an adequate measurement of impact for a forward"! For Salah to be better than Drogba in terms of impact, surely he needs to win at least one more league title, afterall a Messi or CR7 with only one league title would not even be considered SHEEP not to talk of GOATS grin grin grin
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 9:28pm On Nov 01, 2021
abbey621:
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I get your drift. Drogba's fourth league title came at a time when he was more or less a passenger in the team, but let's not deny him that right. But it goes to show you can't just use team achievements to certify a player and condemn another. That is why Harry Kane is of a higher value than any title-hoarding forward in the PL. Their contribution to their team exploits matter more.

I for one, appreciate team effort though in bringing home titles, granted that there are standout performers in each and every game.

Now, I will remind you that you actually put Alan Shearer as a great (ahead of Drogba). You may want to look up how many title he has.

Drogba's PL goals form 24% of his club's PL goals as a forward while Salah's PL goals form 43% of his club's PL goals as a forward.

In addition, Drogba won the PL top scorer twice in this role, and this has been equalled by Salah. Drogba's two time appearance in PL TOTY has also been equalled by Salah. So when it comes to dominance of both players in their positions in the Premier League, it appears even, despite the difference in their games.

However, Drogba was never named as PL Player of the Month or Player of the Year but Salah has emerged PL Player of the Month thrice and also been named PL Player of The Year. This shows disparity in how their performances standout amongst all players in a given season. Salah clearly holds the aces there.

So there you have it. It may be all numbers to you. But it is devoid of bias and colour. If you put in Coach's playing style, you may also want to add, player's fitness, home/away and any other factor that can limit player's performance so it's better we just stick to what the player actually offered undecided
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by abbey621(m): 10:14pm On Nov 01, 2021
DesChyko:

I get your drift. Drogba's fourth league title came at a time when he was more or less a passenger in the team, but let's not deny him that right. But it goes to show you can't just use team achievements to certify a player and condemn another. That is why Harry Kane is of a higher value than any title-hoarding forward in the PL. Their contribution to their team exploits matter more.

I for one, appreciate team effort though in bringing home titles, granted that there are standout performers in each and every game.

Now, I will remind you that you actually put Alan Shearer as a great (ahead of Drogba). You may want to look up how many title he has.

[s]Drogba's PL goals form 24% of his club's PL goals as a forward while Salah's PL goals form 43% of his club's PL goals as a forward.

In addition, Drogba won the PL top scorer twice in this role, and this has been equalled by Salah. Drogba's two time appearance in PL TOTY has also been equalled by Salah. So when it comes to dominance of both players in their positions in the Premier League, it appears even, despite the difference in their games.

However, Drogba was never named as PL Player of the Month or Player of the Year but Salah has emerged PL Player of the Month thrice and also been named PL Player of The Year. This shows disparity in how their performances standout amongst all players in a given season. Salah clearly holds the aces there.[/s]

So there you have it. It may be all numbers to you. But it is devoid of bias and colour. If you put in Coach's playing style, you may also want to add, player's fitness, home/away and any other factor that can limit player's performance so it's better we just stick to what the player actually offered undecided

Just when I thought you started making sense you went about ranting aimlessly again.....WHY? Your stats makes no damn sense since not all goals are equal, a comeback goal to clinch the title will always be worth more than goals against derby when leading 4-0. You said Drogba's goal contribution is 24%, again this is an example of stats without context.

Did you watch Chelsea 2004-2008? Majority of the attack flows through Drogba, his chest alone was worth more than majority of strikers back then. I'm not going to argue further, don't know your age but you need to go and watch some of those matches. Your entire premise is flawed, Rooney has over 200 goals in the PL while Henry has less than 180 by your definition of using just stats, Rooney was the better forward, same can be said of Defoe over Owen. You want us to leave other factors out and focus just plainly on goals scored but that is just not the way ratings work, even the most die hard United fan would not put Rooney above Henry.

Hopefully you can finally see that stats can be misleading but in case you still don't get it and want to continue arguing baselessly.....don't bother replying, argue with your phone instead.....PEACE!
Re: Salah Or Drogba? Which African Forward In The Premier League Would You Choose by DesChyko: 1:04am On Nov 02, 2021
abbey621:

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Lol.. You're quite lazy though.
I gave you research never done before; stating objectively why Salah is probably the better individual the PL recognizes, and corroborated by PL itself and you're countering with
1. comeback goals (without any definite count)
2. Drogba's chest (conveniently ignoring that every basic attack originates from the first kick)
3. Rooney Vs Henry (ignoring longevity and main role played) (You forget even Lampard is ahead of Henry)
4. Defoe Vs Owen ignoring longevity

Come to think of it, Drogba is a forward who spent nine 38-game seasons in PL but never managed to score more that 12 goals in seven of them. That's why it's so easy to breeze past him undecided

Use the time you use to code in insults to actually create at least, one solid point devoid of whines. Look at all we have exchanged so far; your submissions are amoeboid at best. So tainted with emotions. You're probably a Chelsea fan undecided. That's only what can account for this wisps of defence you're putting up.

Anyways, this discussion will be fossilized come season end. I'm sure of it.

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