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Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 5:42pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Did Jesus Christ say "Do as I did it .." or "Do as I ask..."? Hint: John 15 vs 14 |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 5:49pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
kingjoe:Why do you believe the reason they don't drown is because the water gods protect them? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by advanceDNA: 5:57pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:This man ... so it’s now a sin to do what Jesus did?? Where did Jesus say don’t do what I did |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 6:04pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Why turn to attack me for what Jesus Christ Himself said to you? He makes it abundantly clear that those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments- John 14 vs 15 - 25. He repeated this very message several times throughout His teachings going as far as to tell of how those who obey Him are like houses built on solid ground whereas those who do not obey His commandments are like houses built on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29 |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by emetisuccess(m): 6:05pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
It's just as u going to a farm with a hoe without weeding the weed. I believe u'll understand better now. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by advanceDNA: 6:09pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Attack u?? U must count urself to be important.. attack u for what... U are the one playing around with words... I only asked where where did Jesus say don’t do what I do... since you are claiming Jesus only said do what I ask.. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 6:11pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
advanceDNA:Oh boy! Again with the comprehension issues, right? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by nizelgirl(f): 6:26pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
NO. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Ahulu(m): 6:31pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
olaric:Acts 19:1-5 shows that a second baptism is sometimes necessary. Pls be guided right 1 Like |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 6:35pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
olaric:Jesus Christ never said immersion was the only way to baptism, neither did John the Baptist. In fact, if you go back to where God Himself decreed baptisms as a sign, He Himself spoke of it, in relation to His New Covenant, as a sprinkling of pure water to wash away all forms of idolatry from the lives of His own - Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27 and we all know that Jesus Christ is the very Word out of God's own mouth and so He would never go against God's own Truth since He is, after all, God’s own Truth. So, tell whoever deceived you info believing immersion as the only kind of baptism by water acceptable by God that he or she is nothing but a Liar and a false teacher who nothing of the Truth of God. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by TenQ: 6:50pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Since Jesus is our example, what kind of Baptism was He Baptized with from the scripture by John? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by advanceDNA: 6:59pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: These were your words: Did Jesus Christ say "Do as I did it .." or "Do as I ask..."? And all I asked you in return was did Jesus say don’t do as I did... ?? because u are trying to claim that this that did as Jesus did are liars and like u will always say....I will soon add that they are going to hell for doing baptism by immersion |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by lexy2014: 7:01pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
kingjoe: How does redoing baptism indicate a renewal of your relationship with God? According to u: "I did baptism in one church and when I changed church,I did another one. Especially when you don't have a certificate to present to the new church as evidence". rccg insists on new baptism despite certificate to show? So how do u reconcile that with ur comment above? Pls which "record is kept in heaven when someone is baptized"? Can u tell us where it is mentioned in the bible? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 7:03pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:Jesus Christ said those who are His friends are those who do as He asks - not those who do as He did - John 15 vs 14 In teaching after teaching, Jesus Christ more than made it clear to His followers that they are to obey His teachings and commandments, not copy Him in all He did, declaring that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments- John 8 vs 31 - 44 & John 14 vs 15 - 25 Jesus Christ went as far a to describe those who obeyed His teachings as houses built atop of a solid rock foundation while those who refused to obey His teachings and commandments He described as houses built on sinking sand - Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29 In John 14 vs 6 - 12 & John 15 vs 7 - 11, Jesus Christ further explained that it is those who trust and Obey Him that will go on to doing what He did and even more. Jesus Christ lived in submission to and obedience of God's Old Covenant Law, this as He went around teaching His followers to live according to the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God. This explains why it is crucial to doing, not as Jesus Christ did, but as He commands - exactly as He stated. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by femi4: 7:21pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Bros, digest the whole chapter Notice Ezekiel 36:24: “For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.” Then, immediately following the verse that mentions the sprinkling of clean water, God said: “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh” (Ezekiel 36:26). These two verses present the immediate context from which many modern religious people remove Ezekiel 36:25 in order to justify sprinkling. If we are to believe that Ezekiel was writing about a literal sprinkling of water in this verse, then we would also be forced to understand Ezekiel’s usage of “heart of stone” in verse 26 as being literal 2. The English word “baptism” is transliterated from the Greek word baptisma, which signifies dipping or immersion. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by seunayantokun(m): 7:24pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
A lot of rubbish in some churches in Nigeria because some people are simply business-concerned. If you have truly become a child of God and have been properly baptised according to the Bible in any true church, you don't need to do it again. It is once for ever. Any pastor that insists you do it again is either a thief or an ignoramus, forget whoever it is. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 7:57pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
femi4:I am afraid I am not entirely clear on what your question here is. 24 “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by TenQ: 7:58pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:You should be truthful enough to state the kind of Baptism John the baptist did and if Baptism by sprinkling was done by the Jews at Jesus time. The truth is static irrespective of what our doctrine is! How about he Ethiopian Eunuch, what kind of Baptism did he undergo? Can you find an single example in the New Testament in which water baptism was by sprinkling? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 8:05pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:I care more about the Truth of God, that which is constitutes the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ , the Gospel which we are sent to teach to the unsaved world is why I stress His Truth over any other. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by kingjoe(m): 8:11pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
lexy2014:check my writup and read math 3:16-17 and tell me what was infered |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by TenQ: 8:11pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie:Does Water Baptism save? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by lexy2014: 8:14pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
kingjoe: Can we try this again? Your last response isn't readable. How does redoing baptism indicate a renewal of your relationship with God? According to u: "I did baptism in one church and when I changed church,I did another one. Especially when you don't have a certificate to present to the new church as evidence". rccg insists on new baptism despite certificate to show? So how do u reconcile that with ur comment above? Pls which "record is kept in heaven when someone is baptized"? Can u tell us where it is mentioned in the bible? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 8:21pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
TenQ:Yes, Mark 16 vs 16 - 19 & Ezekiel 36 vs 25 & John 3 vs 1 - 8 Basically, if God commands it, it is Law, and therefore necessary. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by kingjoe(m): 8:30pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
lexy2014:Let me address the issue of rccg you mentioned.every church has their rules and doctrine.if you can't abide .simply leave. When my brother was doing his wedding,his church gave him so much rules before they can be wedded.he simply went to another church,did the wedding and came back to the church. Catholics allow pregnant brides to be wedded.others don' I don't support it as scripture says keep the bed undefiled. And yes there is record of anyone that is baptized.. One can infer from.math 3:16-17.when Jesus was baptized,the heavens opened showing recognition.in his special case a voice and a dove. Similarly,when you accept Christ as your lord and personal saviour.and confess it with your mouth. There is also a record of that too in heaven.would you argue this one too? On the issue of renewal.can you say Jesus was repenting from his sins.if it's not form of renewal.what is it? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Jacksparrow7(m): 8:37pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Etizz:your friend should show his baptismal certificate 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by cavendishbaba(m): 8:53pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Baptism as seen in the scriptures was by immersion Acts 8:38. Any other form of baptism is wrong and guarantee' s you a place in eternal destruction if a correction is not made before death. The importance of baptism is to wash away sins, to receive the gift of the holy spirit and to be added to the body of Christ ( the church Christ bought with his blood). You do not join any church rather you are added to the church Acts 2:41. Christ is the head of the right church and not man Ephesians 5:23. The name of the church is seen in Romans 16:16. The practices of the church were documented in Acts 2:42, 47, Ephesians 5:19, I Corinthians 16:1-2 and Ephesians 4:12., the leadership structure of the church follows the trend; 1. Christ(Head) 2. Elders/Bishops/Pastors and Evangelists 3. Deacons 4. Members Christ is coming to the deliver the church to His Father 1 Corinthians 15:24. Not just any church but the church he established with his blood which ofcourse has Christ name as stated above and follow the teachings of Christ. The bitter truth as seen in the scriptures is, anyone who claims to be a Christian outside the Church Christ bought with his blood will be condemned. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by olaric(m): 8:58pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: By their fruits you shall know them... |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by lexy2014: 8:59pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
kingjoe: U are yet to answer my questions: 1. How does redoing baptism indicate a renewal of your relationship with God? 2. According to u: "I did baptism in one church and when I changed church,I did another one. Especially when you don't have a certificate to present to the new church as evidence". rccg insists on new baptism despite certificate to show? So how do u reconcile that with ur comment above? U haven't been able to reconcile your earlier statement with what goes on at rccg. 3. Pls which "record is kept in heaven when someone is baptized"? Can u tell us where it is mentioned in the bible? Is record the same thing as recognition? Before Jesus was baptised, wasn't he "recognised" by heaven? |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 9:09pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
olaric:.... the same Jesus Christ also taught that those who belong to Him, those who love Him, are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments. Meaning that anyone who does not bear fruits of obedience are indeed bad trees. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Kobojunkie: 9:11pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
cavendishbaba:There is no such thing as immersion as correct kind of baptism. God Himself described the ritual, in relation to His New Covenant, as a sprinkling of pure water to wash away the stains of idolatry on His people, this in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 27. And we know Jesus Christ never stated anywhere in His teaching that only those who experience an immersion in water are those baptized and saved. No, instead Jesus Christ's stipulation regarding it is that it be done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. What this means is any doctrine that teaches immersion as the only recognized way is a lie, and not of God or Jesus Christ. |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by Blendy77(f): 9:47pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: The only Bible passage you quoted to support sprinkling was in the old testament. Was John the Baptist who heralded the coming of our Lord and Saviour in the old testament? So u sprinkle water on a 3 months old baby and call it baptism, are u accepting Jesus Christ on the baby's behalf or its supposed to be a personal decision by someone who is old enough to do so before baptism? Where in the bible was it mentioned that babies were baptized or why was Jesus Himself not Baptist via sprinkling as an infant? Try read your bible and gain knowledge so no Rev. Father or Pastor can deceive you. All the best |
Re: Is It Necessary To Baptize Again After Changing Church? by cavendishbaba(m): 9:47pm On Nov 07, 2021 |
Kobojunkie: Instructions for Christians today are either direct commands from God, Apostolic examples or necessary inferences. In this case, Apostolic example is applicable looking at the Acts of the apostles who walked with Christ and followed the teachings of Christ. In Acts 8:38, the Ethiopian eunuch and Philip "went down into the water". Philip could have simply stayed at the bank of the the body of water and sprinkle some on the Eunuch to represent baptism. But he didnt, both of them instead "went down into the water" Acts 8:39 tells us that "they came out of the water " this further tells us that baptism by apostolic example was by immersion. Read also Colossians 2:12. |
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