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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Hiq0: 4:39pm On Jan 16, 2022
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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Fredmatic(m): 4:50pm On Jan 16, 2022
silibaba:



Did the law say you should hand it over do pastor? God talk say bring it to the store house.

Is your pastor the storehouse?

LET me begin by shocking you: In the entire Gospels, there is not a single place Jesus clearly commands us to pay tithes! I shock you the more: In the only two places Jesus mentions tithes, he is discernibly cynical about it!

Admittedly, he never tells us not to pay tithes, either. However, from the Gospels, it could be deduced that his overall attitude towards tithes is that of cynicism and ambivalence.

I think this point is very important because it brings you (the reader) face-to-face to the fact that this whole ado about tithes is actually about something our Lord treats with so much cynicism and ambivalence.

So, one begins to wonder why the fuss about something Christ himself didn’t consider worthy of attention. If it weren’t for ideological and financial interests, the people emphasising tithes today would have been the same people who would ask their typical question: “Where did Christ say it?”

Now, let’s check out those two places in the Gospels. (As a matter of fact, Jesus uttered the word “tithe” only three times, but one is essentially a synoptic version of the other – so we are basically left with only two). The first: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith.

It is these you ought to have practised without neglecting the others” (RSV. Matt 23: 23; cf. Lk 11: 42). The second: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, was praying thus: ‘God I thank you that I am not like other people … I tithe a tenth of all my income.’” (Lk 18: 10-12).

These two passages buttress my argument to the effect that Jesus’ overall disposition towards tithes is that of cynicism and ambivalence. In the first passage, Jesus clearly indicates that the concern about truth, justice, fairness, mercy, love, etc. is “weightier” than, and therefore preferable to, tithe-paying. Tithe-paying is secondary and must take a subsidiary position.

If one must pay tithes, one must not do like Pharisees, but should first and foremost take care to fulfill those “weightier” matters. I live in Europe. The first thing that confronts me each time I step my feet on Nigeria, right from the airport, is unimaginable wickedness, extortion at every turn, bribery, lies, dishonesty, fraud, violence, brigandage, brutality, rascality, filthiest forms of indiscipline, etc.

I think any evil that is not yet practised in Nigeria has not crossed the mind of mortals. Yet this is supposed to be a nation of ‘tithe-payers’! The second passage is placed in the context of the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector, where the former brags about being a tithe-payer, while the latter humbles himself before God and eventually goes home fulfilled.

I’m aware that we Nigerians have been so ‘terrorised’ and benumbed by religion that we hardly pause to think. But I repeat the question I mooted earlier: Does it not strike you that each time Jesus mentions tithe, it is always associated with hypocrisy and Phariseeism?

Isn’t this already a red flag vis-a-vis tithes/tithing?

Now, what are the “weightier” parts of the law in our Nigerian context (that your priest/pastor/GO has refused to draw your attention to)? No doubt, honesty and self-discipline with regard to money must count. You must reject bribery and corruption in your workplaces.

It is difficult, but it is an act of faith. Nigerians like to talk of ‘challenging’ God; here is a fine opportunity to ‘challenge’ God by rejecting bribes and acting with integrity – to see if He wouldn’t bless your life! You are being told that you “rob” God when you don’t pay your tithes, but you aren’t told that you also rob your fellow humans when you pocket the funds meant for them.

You are not told that you might be the major cause of accidents, malnutrition, infrastructural deficit and avoidable deaths in Nigeria when you steal the money meant to forestall them, using the position you occupy.

You pay your tithes in the cities but allow your poor parents and relatives in the village to suffer – perhaps because you have been told they are witches and wizards waiting to kill your destiny. Integrity, solidarity, solicitude, self-control, faith and charity are the “weightier” part of the law that Jesus refers to.

If you neglect them, even though you pay N1billion as tithe, you are a hypocrite and a Pharisee by Jesus’ standards!

How about the bogus relationship being established between tithing and being blessed/favoured? Now let me make this clear: One of the most blasphemous lies being peddled in the name of God in recent times is that God needs your tithes in order to bless you.

It is blasphemy because it is an insult on the holy and unfathomably righteous God. I do think that the dynamics of God’s blessings are too complex and mysterious to be reduced to monetary handouts or ‘bribery’ given to His supposed ‘representative.’

It is even more scandalous and laughable to see pastors threaten people with hellfire should they not pay their tithes. Many were appalled and disappointed upon seeing a video-clip, where a general overseer threatened – and I quote – that members would “miss heaven” if they did not pay their tithes.

Another implication of our Lord’s cynical disposition towards tithes is that it should occupy little (if any) space in the preaching and sermons of all true ministers of the Word. I might even recommend that the attention given to it should not exceed a total of five minutes in an entire calendar year.

The reason is that, if tithes were an essential element of the message of salvation our Lord Jesus came to preach, He would have surely included it in the Beatitudes or even dedicated an entire discourse to it.

For instance, Jesus took time to teach us how to pray, how to fast and so on and so forth. But this isn’t the case with tithes; it simply didn’t worth His attention. As it were, He may have seen it as a distraction, perhaps one of those annoying traditions that could have stymied the New Message He came to proclaim.

ALSO READ: Tithe: 3 things we must consider
At this point, let us address one of the most notorious passages being cited in support of tithes – the “robbing God” mantra. Malachi 3:8-12 suggests that abdicating from tithes might be tantamount to “robbing” God. How do we interpret this? The passage specifically states: “Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in my house” (v. 10).

As I see it, this points more to material food and less to monetary donations to seemingly insatiable and bottomless church coffers. It refers to a practice of bringing a tenth of one’s harvest to the priest/Levite who then went ahead to share it to the poor among the people of God to ensure that no one starved.

In other words, the focus was basically on the poor, and “robbing” God in this respect is squarely robbing the poor.

Therefore, the ugly scenario in Nigerian churches where so-called ‘top’ tithe-payers owe their workers but are quick to impress the pastor/priest with their tithes is actually tantamount to “robbing” God. This is the true interpretation of that passage! The average Nigerian priest/pastor/GO isn’t worried about this and is even scared to say it the way I do because they fear it might come with dire financial implications.

Meanwhile, they are the same that would be quick to ask “Is it in the Bible?” if monetary tithing weren’t in their favour. Once again, I make bold to say that the form of tithing that is OT-supported is tithing in kind and not by cash.

Well, I do not think this is a big issue because a few things have to change with time, otherwise Christianity becomes mere casuistry. I only brought it up to expose the hypocrisy of those who are quick to ask “is it in the Bible?” when it serves their interest.

The mention of priests/Levites calls to mind what I consider an important dimension of the debate on tithes – namely, the question of who a priest really is in ourpresent context.

The Bible recounts that Abraham paid tithes to Melchizedek, the priest-king of Salem (Gen 14:18-20; Heb. 7: 1-2). That passage is a bit shrouded in mystery, given that it is merely mentioned in passing.

Since there is hardly any further clue, its interpretation becomes a lot more complicated. Yet I suspect it must have been the practice in ancient Mesopotamia that a tenth of one’s harvest, including war booties (in Abraham’s case), was given to such an exalted priest-king figure.

This practice was then appropriated by Judaism when it became systematised as a religion, probably facilitated by the institutionalisation of the Levitical priesthood.

Now, let’s return to the question: who is a priest (who should receive tithes) in our contemporary context? Does it include the young pastor who was fired – and so ‘de-ordained’ – by his bishop some months ago because he wasn’t ‘doing well’ (‘doing well’ in this case being nothing but making much more money for his church)?

If this is so, then priesthood would be no less than a precarious and temporary position where the priest/pastor could be ‘un-priested’ according to the whims and caprices of his bishop.

Does it include the young man who, having failed in all previous endeavors,worst of all in academics, decided to convert a warehouse near Onitsha Main Market to a church to hoodwink unsuspecting traders?

Does it include the young man from a neighboring village to mine who, for no fault of his (i.e., given the general unemployment in the country), began to feel ‘called’; and so, submitted himself after some weeks of training to be ordained by a self-acclaimed bishop who pays himN30k per month to lead a branch of his church?

Should we focus onthe priest/pastor/venerable of more traditional churches that have existed for a couple of centuries? Or should we limit the term ‘priest’ to the Church that has had an unbroken chain of succession from the Seat of St. Peter, spanning over 2 millennia, and possessing a self-understanding of the priesthood the considers it an indelible character, quite immune to the vicissitudes of life?

Dear reader, your guess is as good as mine. But irrespective of what you consider priesthood and who you consider your priest, the point is that tithe is epiphenomenal (i.e. of little importance) to Christianity. Indeed, for Christ, the “weightier” part of the law is summed up in the four-letter word, LOVE.

What is more, the key significance of the Melchizedek imagery for our purposes, as invoked in the Letter to the Hebrews, is that Christ is our eternal High Priest, who has offered the one single efficacious Sacrifice for our sins. The import is that you don’t need to pay tithes to be blessed by God.

The one single Sacrifice – Christ – is enough blessing for you. I’m aware Nigerians are crazy about ‘favors’; then know it today that Christ and Christ alone is your Favor! And, certainly, you will not “miss heaven” if you don’t pay your tithes, quite contrary to the GO’s threat I referred to above.

I wish to remain true to my promise not to interfere with your decision and to even suggest ways in which one could be supportive to the church outside the ‘tithe’ framework. In a place like Germany, where I spend most of my Summers, there is an organized system whereby willing members part with some portion of their monthly incomes for the support of the Church.
The priest/pastor does not even know how it is administered; all he knows is that he receives his salaries promptly, the church is well-maintained, the secretary, cook (if he has any) and other functionaries are paid.Well, our people may not be as disciplined and advanced as Germans –and, if you think about it, it’s all a symptom of a culture whereby the priest/pastor wants to control everything.

Yet something could still be done.

For instance, Nigerians are some of the most generous people I have seen on the planet when it comes to giving to the church. Therefore, occasional but prudent fundraising, offering and free-will donations could be organized to address specific needs.

As has been established earlier, the poor is the ‘God’ that is being directly robbed in matters of tithes. Hence, beyond being used for the normal functioning of the Church, such fundraising, offering, and donations should also benefit the poor. Nigeria is not in short supply of the poor. If the singer,Davido, could put up a well-organized nation-wide outreach to the poor, the Church could do even better.

We can begin with our immediate neighborhoods, the hospitals and orphanages nearby.The New testament is replete with examples where Christians made collections for the poor.There are examples where richer churches contributed to poorer ones. We find a good example in Rom. 15: 28 (also see 2 Cor. 9: 6-10).

In fact, if one reads the Letter to the Romans properly, it becomes clear that the letter was primarily occasioned by such instances of richer churches contributing to help poorer ones (see Rom. 15:28).

The early Church demonstrated so much solidarity that there “was not a needy person among them” (Acts 4:34). This is the true meaning of tithe! We should therefore put an end to the culture wherein tithes are collected from poor members to erect universities and institutions that are not accessible to the children of the same poor tithe-payers.

“But the hour is coming,” says Jesus, “when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth” (John 4.23). If you want to really serve God in “spirit and truth,” devoid of hypocrisy, you must choose today if tithing would play any role in this regard. You may also opt for more robust ways of being supportive to the church and the poor.

TITHES: TO PAY or NOT TO PAY? That’s the question. Dear Christian, the choice is yours.


1000 like for this your comment, I took my time to read it, the thing is most Christians don't study their bible including the educated ones. They only believe and take whatever their pastors says without searching the scriptures to kn what they say is true as the bible encourage us to do.

I have tried to educated ppl about this tithe which you have just done perfectly well, of which they dismiss it and say is a spiritual truth.
Some pastor are not helping matter, they only preach what favour them and leave the other path of the scriptures which explain d whole thing especially about the tithing . And when u try to correct their errors, why working under them, they see you as disobedience and insubordinate to them, relief you of your post and if possible push you out of the church.

The one that pain me most is the curse lay or threatened people with because the Rob God by not tithing. People the hurry to give out of fear, maybe with things are not ok and not becus they love God . I addition to your write up , they forget to read that part.
2 Corinthians 9:6-8
Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

So tithe giving is not a cheerful giving but an act of compulsion under the old convenant law as God dealings with the Israelites then and when they obey they are truly blessed.
But now we are in grace, under a better convert which says free giving as you propose in you heart Soo shall you do.

But one may ask what about those who are still doing it, are they not bless? Answer is yes, those who Doo it with the pureness of heart which only God see and blessed them not everyone as it was old testament. I can tell you that there are those who tithing but things are more tithing for them , even struggling through life than those who don't tithe but living well.

My final take is that , if anyone still feel to tithe after all this exposure, is lift for the or her to choose and they should not feel they are more blessed than those who just practice thier giving as they propose in heart , but if any one want to argue this point then ask yourself this question " why don't we have supper rich people all over Nigeria from those who pay tithe apart from pastors"?
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 5:13pm On Jan 16, 2022
HedwigesMaduro:


Any Christian scriptural basis?

You know them already, it is nothing new.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 5:20pm On Jan 16, 2022
naija4life247:


Big Thief. Ole Nla.

Ol boy you don shoot and miss. I no dey even go church since 5 years now not to talk say be pastor.

You miss gaan!
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 5:27pm On Jan 16, 2022
brightalo1010:


So what did Abraham paid tithe with ? Can you mention things Abraham the first ever thither used in paying tithe ? Abi his own tithe is different from yours ?

With the valuables/goods he had obtained and gained from the conquest of the 5 kings.

And you already know that today's valuables and goods and earnings is in the form of that thing called money.

So it is not a problem, if you want to execute it.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 5:48pm On Jan 16, 2022
BERNIMOORE:
All these above DOES NOT APPLY TO CHRIST FOLLOWERS TODAY...
Why, the LAW Was only for the isrealite Jew that Had a covenant with God Through Moses, it wasnt a perpetual Law, and rather IT HAS BEEN ANNULED

I have 2 answers for you; 1) You Wish
2) You are Wrong.

You have not studied God and His Laws, else you would have seen that unless God proclaims that His Former Laws shall cease to have effect, it remains in force.

Eg "in that day you depart from following The Lord, your God, ye shall be removed from your lands" Deuteronomy 5:25-27.

Repealed
Amos 9:15
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God"

That is what a Repeal looks like.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 5:52pm On Jan 16, 2022
BERNIMOORE:
why are you adding to the scriptures? proverbs 10:15 where you quoted "the destruction of the poor, is their poverty" BUT IT Never Mentioned that ''The poor hath chosen (poverty) to destroy themselves with poverty''

DO YOU NOT CHOOSE TO EITHER OBEY OR DISOBEY?

when they clearly express that they would not be obeying, have they not chosen the way they want to go?

And are we not witnesses to their destruction by poverty?

The other portions of your comment are a departure from the topic.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by brightalo1010: 6:01pm On Jan 16, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


With the valuables/goods he had obtained and gained from the conquest of the 5 kings.

And you already know that today's valuables and goods and earnings is in the form of that thing called money.

So it is not a problem, if you want to execute it.
Very funny So he paid with what he gained from kings not salary ? Did you read how he made the gains ?

So that means he was not even paying tithe all these years ?

And I read Jacob the second tither said he will only pay if God help him to win a war not if he receives salary , which also mean he was not even paying tithe and gave condition that will make him pay it . So where is the pay with salaries came from ? Does it mean people don't work and earn salaries then ?
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:21pm On Jan 16, 2022
brightalo1010:
Very funny So he paid with what he gained from kings not salary ? Did you read how he made the gains ?

So that means he was not even paying tithe all these years ?

And I read Jacob the second tither said he will only pay if God help him to win a war not if he receives salary , which also mean he was not even paying tithe and gave condition that will make him pay it . So where is the pay with salaries came from ? Does it mean people don't work and earn salaries then ?

The word is "earnings" and we all know what earnings means, so you can find every excuse in the world not to do it, it has no business with me.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:39pm On Jan 16, 2022
Ferdinandu:
Who put out this quadratic equation for you that you are proudly flaunting up and down . See how these scammers have skillfully manipulated you to release your hard earned money for them and you are proudly showing off the foolery. Or maybe you are even one of the scammers

It is not your own earnings I am giving na, so you can not be complaining about my revenues.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:47pm On Jan 16, 2022
genkins:


Which God? Money God? Mammon?

You know what Earnings, First and Increase means!
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:47pm On Jan 16, 2022
TheDemola:


Kindly support with bible verse

You know them.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:50pm On Jan 16, 2022
Tallesty1:
Now this is funny not important.

As far as Christianity is concerned, Christians are the first fruits of Jesus.

You don't give/pay first fruit, you're the first fruit.

You speak for yourself. Christians and not church goers, know the importance of Obedience!
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:53pm On Jan 16, 2022
brightalo1010:


Explain this and again Bring the bible verse that told you to give your salary to your pastor as first fruit every single year.

It was very clear the first time I answered.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 6:57pm On Jan 16, 2022
Odingo1:

Where did God say that you should work and give someone else the money to enjoy it. Monkey dey work baboon dey chop.

Poverty is not as a result of not listening to God, the richest people in the world like Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk are Atheist. Serving God wholeheartedly is what matters not money. God don’t need anybody money.

Your problem.

Their problem.

All I know is that I was very happy to obey God's Laws and it is very well with me, Exactly as God Hath Said!
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 7:13pm On Jan 16, 2022
Zi:
T. H. I. E. F

Because you speaketh hastily and in error, this day I curse you.

You shall live a life of errors and you shall want all the days of your life.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by SanusiOlaide(m): 7:36pm On Jan 16, 2022
If there is first fruit there should be second.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by MrNipplesLover(m): 7:45pm On Jan 16, 2022
Thank you, Daddy.

❤❤❤❤
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Truvelisback(m): 7:47pm On Jan 16, 2022
beautyfunke:
Pls can someone explain first fruit, is it important a Christian must give first fruit?


Ur first income for the begining month of the Year. e.g January. Ur tithe is not include in the first fruit.

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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Zi: 10:06pm On Jan 16, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Because you speaketh hastily and in error, this day I curse you.

You shall live a life of errors and you shall want all the days of your life.
Curse ke cheesy
Because I have called you out for who you are frustration has set in. I call out nonsen.se without fear or favor. Your so-called curse does not scare me. All na scam format!
Is this how you exhibit your Chris-like life?
My dear, I did not speak hastily, you are a thief for wanting to reap where you did not sow.
T. H. I. E. F
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by brightalo1010: 10:12pm On Jan 16, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


The word is "earnings" and we all know what earnings means, so you can find every excuse in the world not to do it, it has no business with me.

With the valuables/goods he had obtained and gained from the conquest of the 5 kings.

And you already know that today's valuables and goods and earnings is in the form of that thing called money.

So it is not a problem, if you want to execute it.

The above is where you said Obtain and gained , when I caught you on that you changed from that to earnings .and you said your name is Truthspeaker so where is the truth ?

You simply changed it to earnings in order to justify your lies while in actually fact and in all honesty he gained and obtained . Why did you change it from Gained and obtained ? to earned ? How can someone that went to war and took things there earned those things ? maintain your name the truth speaker and tell yourself that same truth .

Thank God I've exposed you to this extent.

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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by BERNIMOORE: 10:44pm On Jan 16, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


DO YOU NOT CHOOSE TO EITHER OBEY OR DISOBEY?

when they clearly express that they would not be obeying, have they not chosen the way they want to go?

And are we not witnesses to their destruction by poverty?

The other portions of your comment are a departure from the topic.

obey what? Apostle paul is not rich, peter is not rich most of the early apostles are poor, but rich towards God...you guys need formating from virus contracted from all this ungodly pastors
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Slimdada(m): 7:54am On Jan 17, 2022
No go looaeguard your first salary oh,it's so cold outside

Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 10:55am On Jan 17, 2022
BERNIMOORE:
obey what? Apostle paul is not rich, peter is not rich most of the early apostles are poor, but rich towards God...you guys need formating from virus contracted from all this ungodly pastors

Now you have changed post! But to comment lightly, we know were and what is Riches and that is what they had. This is where you learn "my thoughts (on riches) are not your thoughts".

The riches you think and looked for in the our people is the stupid and foolish one, which is why it is not there.

The type they have, you have never seen it before and maybe you shall never see it.

So you can stay in your place, I am in mine
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 11:00am On Jan 17, 2022
brightalo1010:


With the valuables/goods he had obtained and gained from the conquest of the 5 kings.

And you already know that today's valuables and goods and earnings is in the form of that thing called money.

So it is not a problem, if you want to execute it.

The above is where you said Obtain and gained , when I caught you on that you changed from that to earnings .and you said your name is Truthspeaker so where is the truth ?

You simply changed it to earnings in order to justify your lies while in actually fact and in all honesty he gained and obtained . Why did you change it from Gained and obtained ? to earned ? How can someone that went to war and took things there earned those things ? maintain your name the truth speaker and tell yourself that same truth .

Thank God I've exposed you to this extent.

Is earnings not a thing which is obtained and gained?

Try curing yourself of foolishness lest it disgraces you!
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Tallesty1(m): 12:14pm On Jan 17, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


You speak for yourself. Christians and not church goers, know the importance of Obedience!
It's this empty pride and Pharasee[Luke 18:11-12] attitude you displayed here that made Christianity what it has become.

It's this conviction that what I know and belief is what is right and whoever doesn't believe in things that I do is not a Christian that makes it very easy for Christians to be manipulated and deceived. You called yourself the truth seeker yet you don't seek the truth.

A Christian must question every knowledge starting with what he thinks he know. Bible said in Acts 17:11 and I quote These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Instead of emulating these people and asking questions or better still educating me on the topic since you believe you're right, you simply separated us who don't pay tithes and first fruit offerings and tagged us church goers and the rest of you who do are the real Christians.

That's pathetic.

Who are you to condemn someone else’s servants? Romans 14:4

Talking about Obedience to God's law, can you please point us to where it's is written in the scripture that a Christian should pay first fruits offering? So that the rest of us can join you in this Obedience.

For what it may worth, Christians are not to pay firstfruits offering for if indeed Jesus was killed at Passover, then His resurrection on the third day would have fallen on the day of the Feast of First fruits.

Now Jesus' resurrection paved the way for our own resurrection. By offering himself as a perfect offering and resurrecting on the day of the first fruit offering, Christians who believe in his death and resurrection become first fruit offering of Christ.

Paul and James knew this.

For instance, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:20 and I quote “But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep”(1 Corinthians 15:20).

He didn't stop there. In 1 Corinthians 16:15 he called Epaenetus and the household of Stephanas “the firstfruits of Achaia”

And James? Look up James 1:18. He called believers a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

First fruit offering is a Jewish tradition, it has nothing to do with Christians. Christians are Christ's firstfruits offering and Offering no dey give offering

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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 12:22pm On Jan 17, 2022
Tallesty1:
...It's this conviction that what I know and belief is what is right and whoever doesn't believe in things that I do is not a Christian that makes it very easy for Christians to be manipulated and deceived..

What is Right is Right and what is Wrong is Wrong!

A person planning on going to Calabar from Lagos traveling through Lagos -Sagamu-Ore-Onitsha is Right on the Way.

But if he drives Lagos to Agbara to Badagry to Cotonou, HE IS WRONG!

That is how clear Right and wrong is different
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by brightalo1010: 7:49pm On Jan 17, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


Is earnings not a thing which is obtained and gained?

Try curing yourself of foolishness lest it disgraces you!

all you need is dictionary to know difference between the 2 I know you're finding it hard to come to reality ,

Today you call it earnings tomorrow you call it obtain.

Once someone start adding insults to comments it means the person is frustrated and it gives me joy.

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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by southpole: 5:53am On Jan 18, 2022
isunday:


I referred him to a message preached on the topic and as you know, pastor did not write his own Bible but rather he made reference to scriptures in the Bible.
Also, giving him scriptures might not help much as he may not understand until some breaks it down
The best reference is the Bible, many pastors have different views concerning the topic under discussion and a pastor's preaching may depend on his sentiment. Dont be surprised to see a message preached by another pastor with Biblical references that contradict what pastor Chris had preached. Is better you give him scriptures from the Bible and understanding of the Bible is not only given to pastors. The Holy spirit is there to teach everyone who is seeking for understanding
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 7:20am On Jan 18, 2022
brightalo1010:


all you need is dictionary to know difference between the 2 I know you're finding it hard to come to reality ,

Today you call it earnings tomorrow you call it obtain.

Once someone start adding insults to comments it means the person is frustrated and it gives me joy.

See even your beloved Google shames you.

earnings
/ˈəːnɪŋz/

noun
money OBTAINED in return for labour or services.

See the word in bold "Obtained"!

Avoid foolishness lest it humilates you.
Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by brightalo1010: 10:29am On Jan 18, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:


See even your beloved Google shames you.

earnings
/ˈəːnɪŋz/

noun
money OBTAINED in return for labour or services.

See the word in bold "Obtained"!

Avoid foolishness lest it humilates you.

Dingbat , So you didn't see Money it specifically explained what salary means it shown you that is it Money I repeat money obtained in return for labour or services . why did it not say Property and other things , why did it mentioned only money .

Why not google what Obtain means ? you have horrible way of understanding even the argument you're making .

So Abraham Obtained salary after the fight ? smh

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Re: Can Someone Explain First Fruit by Dtruthspeaker: 12:22pm On Jan 18, 2022
brightalo1010:


Dingbat , So you didn't see Money it specifically explained what salary means it shown you that is it Money I repeat money obtained in return for labour or services . why did it not say Property and other things , why did it mentioned only money .

Why not google what Obtain means ? you have horrible way of understanding even the argument you're making .

So Abraham Obtained salary after the fight ? smh

Fool, I emphasized "earnings" in my answer and you stupidly myopically thought only in terms of money.

Whereas every reasonable person knows that "earnings" is wider than money.

obtain
/əbˈteɪn/
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verb
past tense: obtained; past participle: obtained
1.
get, acquire, or secure (something).

Fool Again!

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