budaatum:
Sorry triple, your time is up.

triplechoice:

A man who doesn't know the limitation of his knowledge lacks wisdom. Socrates

LordReed:


It is only a bad analogy because you are unwilling to consider a different point of view. You insist on interpreting everything based on your position.

Still waiting for you to define spirit and outline it's attributes.

triplechoice:

Question:. What is NDE?

budaatum.: It means attempting suicide twice and thinking it is NDE

TheSourcerer:
Oh and i wouldn't mind having you contact on whatsapp

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

DeepSight:


Yes I have and to summarize, I dont believe the world we live in is "real" either. There are, in my view, many pointers that it's a simulation akin to a hologram/ virtual reality.

The physical body is an obvious machine. A biological one, but still an obvious machine. Many other things suggest that we are in a closed space, for a specific time and with limited options, most of which are pre programmed.

I have often said that the world is made for the entertainment of the "gods" who engage in a some sort of cosmic masturbation over events here. It is, to a large extent, probably entertainment or sport for others beyond.

LordReed:


Do you think we would ever discover these "gods" the way the hosts in Westworld did?

DeepSight:


I have personally observed a sort of programming which makes it more than obvious to me that there are indeed super computers at play behind this reality which are so powerful that we can scarcely understand what they are about. But predictive pictures float in space, I have seen them, programming floats in the air, I have seen it, events are pre-calculated, I have observed this particular one in great and profound detail - and I mean right up to what a person will say at a particular time on a future date, in exact words. So, for me, I have no doubt what is at play, its just far bigger than us because we are the pawns therein.

DeepSight:


That's a good question, for which I can only render a personal answer. I believe many have already had "close encounters." Many have observed things which evidence the programming of the world. I have personally observed a sort of programming which makes it more than obvious to me that there are indeed super computers at play behind this reality which are so powerful that we can scarcely understand what they are about. But predictive pictures float in space, I have seen them, programming floats in the air, I have seen it, events are pre-calculated, I have observed this particular one in great and profound detail - and I mean right up to what a person will say at a particular time on a future date, in exact words. So, for me, I have no doubt what is at play, its just far bigger than us because we are the pawns therein.

In terms of your exact question, going deeper, one thing about the worldly simulation is that it is like an onion. So you have simulations within simulations within simulations within simulations, virtually ad infinitum. Remember the movie "Inception" - a dream within a dream within a dream. There can only be one ultimate reality which is in itself real, and if you listen to people like Neil de Grasse Tyson and understand the point: the probability that we are in the real world is so beyond quantillions to one so as to render it almost impossible. This is something Elon Musk also understands well.

What I am trying to say is that even if we meet the "gods" behind this simulation - they are probably also within another simulation and so on and so forth.

LordReed:


Do you think the host rebellion against their makers was justified?

KnownUnknown:


Don’t leave us hanging. Details please.

DeepSight:


Of course, because the entire concept is cynical, just as the concept of this world is extremely cynical and I have often said that this world must be instigated by a sadist or group of sadists.

Its just that such a rebellion is a fantasy because all things considered the programmed "robot" would be so programmed as to render that impossible. Even with AI, it will have built-in restrictions and "fail-safes."

DeepSight:


Its not the sort of thing that one can easily just write in a few sentences without creating a movement determined to see one taken to Yaba Left.
Its also very very hard to describe.

LordReed:


Well there were a series of serendipitous circumstances that allowed them to become aware of the nature of their reality. Maybe stuff like that could happen here?

Would you be able to propose any tools and/or methods by which we may investigate this reality and probe deeper?

KnownUnknown:


There’s no danger of that because your aim is not to convince or to claim access to revelation. Don’t worry because I sometimes think this world is an absurd joke anyway. Just describe one those picture/float episodes the best you can.

DeepSight:


Serendipity - and its sister - synchronicity - is one of the pointers to whats really guan.
Perhaps I know this too well because I am one of those people (and there are many) who suffer from elaborate and accurate prescience. Its not something you can prove to anyone though, save very close one's who you can share with what will happen and they repeatedly see it.



I really dont know. The little I know, I think is a random gift and I also believe everyone has gifts bequeathed to them, gifts of different kinds.

The best I can offer on a logical level is -

1. A sober contemplation of our time and space
2. A sober contemplation of matter as we know it (a close examination of which shows it to be non-existent in any concrete form)
3. A sober contemplation of consciousness
4. A sober contemplation of death
5. A sober contemplation of certain inexplicable instances of powerful de javu
6. A sober contemplation of the evolution of mankind
7. A sober contemplation of certain other radically inexplicable phenomena - including the UFO phenomena - no longer of only fringe interest but now officially recognised by the US government.

LordReed:


So the only tool available to probe this reality you would say is our minds?

DeepSight:


Yes sir, but I will also add cardinally the spirit - which is an important aspect you dont believe in.
How have you been? Its been a minute.

DeepSight:


Let me try. Pictures are carried in light, and there is light all around us. Thus everything that happens everywhere and at anytime is already stored in light and floats around in light. In this way, one can look into the light around one, and with the right attunement, one can see events happening far away, to other people, or even at other times. Indeed mostly at other times, because light also travels through time.

I have had a time where I was tired of pictures of events floating around me. Its like disembodied video. Like video without a device. The device is just light.

I was once sitting in my apartment in Oniru VI at the time, years ago, and could hear an audible conversation going on between my mother and brother in Magodo - on the Mainland. Loud and clear, carried through the air. When I told them word for word all that they said the next day, they were dumbfounded. Its a scary experience because you hear intersecting thoughts, and voices and it can rise to a confusing crescendo and frankly make you feel quite tired or even insane. Nothing a glass of wine or Lexotan cant resolve though.

Also written words float through the air with a great deal of information in many languages and even other worldly languages and signs. They also float alot through water. It is not for nothing that certain shamans look into a calabash of water and see video and audio. Its quite real, there is just an attunement to it. And I have seen these. Particularly words in water.

There. I have tried.

LordReed:


Interesting. Is this ability something you control or it just comes out if the blue?

DeepSight:


Quite out of the blue, although I have noticed patterns where it is likely to emerge.
A period of abstinence from all material needs and pleasures is key in my case. Not that I do so deliberately. Perhaps just lack of appetite for a couple of weeks.
Light meditation and focus thereafter and then from nowhere....

Do you know of lucid dreaming and astral travel?
I engage in both of these and they are very real. First your thoughts on these though? Urban myth?

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

triplechoice:


Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

LordReed:


But the show made it somewhat clear that the subjective time of the AI can be much faster than real time. Even with our present day computers we can cause simulations to run at much more than real time. Meaning their evolution won't be as constrained by real time as ours was.

triplechoice:


Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

LordReed:


But the show made it somewhat clear that the subjective time of the AI can be much faster than real time. Even with our present day computers we can cause simulations to run at much more than real time. Meaning their evolution won't be as constrained by real time as ours was.

DeepSight:


Oh... You use the phrase "real time". . . .
Didnt you once question me about this