mrksquare:



Karma is a product of our mindset. A function of our belief. Take it to the bank, the Nigeria military will never dare to topple the Buhari led government.

slivertongue:
Buhari is becoming petty . Congratulations for what really?

slimfit1:
Buhari could be next karma.

backbencher:


Shagari was a bad leader, and IMHO, if there was no coup, the NPN would have been voted out by landslide in 1987, assuming the opposition got its act together, and united...because Nigerians would have been tired of them. (Signs were there in 1983 already)

Not only was the massive corruption a bad thing, but Shagari then, like Buhari now, kept our country more and more dependent on oil. He failed to also anticipate and deal with the decline in most of our other sources of income (groundnut pyramids ended under his regime, tin mining went to zero , and so on), and when the oil crash happened in 1982, our economy began its slow decline.....

Shagari should not have been overthrown, (we lost a lot of things as a result of the 1966 and 83 coups) and the 1983 coup was illegal, but in the end, he was not a brilliant leader.

backbencher:


The 1966 coup was not an Igbo coup,and Nzeogwu was not only not Igbo (he was from a minority tribe, as was Ifeajuana, and anyway was culturally more Hausa than Ibo, which was why he was able to convince the Northern troops that helped him carry out the coup to follow him), it was a 'patriotic' coup carried out to save Nigeria from the corrupt elite.

But even then, it was illegal, and a treasonable offence. Still, blaming Ibos for actions of one person....you won't like it if I blamed you and your tribe for the criminal actions of one of your fellow tribesperson.

And the coup,well intentioned as it was, created a lot of problems which have their base in our idea that the economy is a share the cake economy, not a productive economy

RandyOku:


Never have I or will I ever support SAI BABA,,,

Someone that my entire GENERATION and my unborn kids are better than?

If not for QUOTA SYSTEM,,Who born SAI BABA to enter military?

Gireiboy:

Ah Ah Ah, revisionist trying to change our history,nice try. Northern leaders killed, West, Midwest killed(including their wives)and somehow leaders from the East happens to escape how convenient. And after the coup an Igbo man assume the throne and somehow refuse to punish the coup plotters(N:B Igbo's civilian and Igbo soldiers in town and barracks in the North,were busy mocking and taunting northerners with pictures of their leaders dead bodies) and you expect us to believe it wasn't an Igbo coup. Nice try!

SarkinYarki:



But all the economic indicators at the time state otherwise .... within 18 months after that coup Buharis bad leadership made thing much much worse and there began the slide of our economy to a point of no return

Ruggedniggaone:
If this guinea president survive another coup this year make I bend buhari congratulated him and he didn't reject it

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I will like my fellow Christians to copy the good example of our Muslim brothers. No Muslim nation has ever experienced coup. Only Christians plan coup and it's shameful I belong to such religion

backbencher:


Shagari was a bad leader, and IMHO, if there was no coup, the NPN would have been voted out by landslide in 1987, assuming the opposition got its act together, and united...because Nigerians would have been tired of them. (Signs were there in 1983 already)

Not only was the massive corruption a bad thing, but Shagari then, like Buhari now, kept our country more and more dependent on oil. He failed to also anticipate and deal with the decline in most of our other sources of income (groundnut pyramids ended under his regime, tin mining went to zero , and so on), and when the oil crash happened in 1982, our economy began its slow decline.....

Shagari should not have been overthrown, (we lost a lot of things as a result of the 1966 and 83 coups) and the 1983 coup was illegal, but in the end, he was not a brilliant leader.

backbencher:


Mauritania, Sudan, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia...and outside Africa , Iraq (1958, and 1968) and Iran (1953, the Shah overthrew Mossadegh), as well as Turkey, Lebanon, and even Yemen and Oman would like to have a word with you.

Coups happened in all those MUSLIM countries.

Infact, let's take Egypt as an example...what happened in 1952?
Sudan, what happened in the late 1960's (Nimery) and the year 1986 (Bashir) and more recently?
Morroco...1971...the King nearly got overthrown, and by someone he considered a friend.
Algeria...1992...when the generals acted to secure the secular state
Turkey..happened too many times, and then there was a recent attempted coup.
Oman...the recently deceased emir took power after overthrowing his dad ( a coup i actually approve of, as the dad was deliberately keeping the country backward, meanwhile other Arab countries were advancing, and that was a future threat.)

I could go on.

Modified

Saudi Arabia....there was a failed coup that led to the death of the then king, and then there was the events at Mecca in 1979 that was basically a coup against the state.

VULCAN:
I struggle to understand the relevance of your post in response to his.

Although all you claimed is true- what does it matter. He never said Shagari was an exceptional leader.

Is there any democracy as old as ours that hasn't had at least one poor leader?

The aim of democracy is that the people have the right to remove any leader they feel is non performing.

A right which Buhari kept from us in 2019

backbencher:


The 1966 coup was not an Igbo coup,and Nzeogwu was not only not Igbo (he was from a minority tribe, as was Ifeajuana, and anyway was culturally more Hausa than Ibo, which was why he was able to convince the Northern troops that helped him carry out the coup to follow him), it was a 'patriotic' coup carried out to save Nigeria from the corrupt elite.

But even then, it was illegal, and a treasonable offence. Still, blaming Ibos for actions of one person....you won't like it if I blamed you and your tribe for the criminal actions of one of your fellow tribesperson.

And the coup,well intentioned as it was, created a lot of problems which have their base in our idea that the economy is a share the cake economy, not a productive economy

Scamburster:

so you can read

backbencher:
Thank God he wasn't overthrown

1.For the gang saying Guinea Bissau would have been better with coups. They have, since independence in 1975, had four coups and are still poor. So, you people want them to try and try again something that has failed.

2.For those saying Nigeria should have a coup, have the past coups we had transformed our country? Plus, insecurity was a big problem under millitary rule.

3.For those chanting that Nigeria should have a coup, and backing people like Kanu and Iboho...you know what would have happened to them under Army rule, right? They won't have even seen a court, or a prision....

4.For those chanting for coup in Nigeria, and supporting ENDSARS...you know, the way army handled protesters under Army rule, it makes what happened in Lekki looks like child's play compared to that. Go and read what happened to student protesters in 1978 and 1986, and then come and tell me you want army rule.

5.For those chanting Army rule...Buhari millitary could close down a media house for over 6 months, same as IBB and Abacha, and nothing would happen. Army rulers would not only ban twitter like Bubu, they would ban all internet...like what is happening in Myanmar under Army rule there...and they will say national secuirity.

6.Finally, those who think Army rule would bring about a government of reformers....where do you think the people in the Army come from? The same place the corrupt leaders come from...the mass of Nigerian people.


Democracy is hard work. If Nzeogwu had resigned his millitary commision in 1965, and gone into poltiics, millions of people would have been alive, and maybe he could have gotten into power peacefully and changed things. Instead, he used gun and set off a powderkeg, and we are still dealing with the fallout from his antics today


And yes, Buhari, GEJ, Obasanjo, Yaradua and all of them have FAILED....but their civilian rules were better than army rule. Nigeria is not going back to army rule. And yes, again..if we want better government...there is a reason why it is called a participatory democracy.

backbencher:


Read where I said it was illegal and a treasonable offence, thank you.

donjahsy:

You are just right but people just wanted the bigger failure in the Villa to be removed by the smaller evil (military).

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I will like my fellow Christians to copy the good example of our Muslim brothers. No Muslim nation has ever experienced coup. Only Christians plan coup and it's shameful I belong to such religion

backbencher:


Even then, at the end, the reason why we don't have a matured democracy that would have helped a lot is because people decided to take coup shortcut.

Nigeria is poor because our financial base disproportionately relies on oil...and dividing or changing to millitary rule won't change that .