mystical109:
what will happen if Ukraine joins NATO. What do Russia stand to lose if Ukraine joins NATO

Lol. This question you asked shows you do not quite understand the dynamics of world politics.
Let me try and clarify a bit in summary.
You know what NATO stands for right? Not the acronym, but the reason for NATO's existence? NATO was solely established to oppose the Soviet Union (now by extension, Russia) militarily. NATO members engage in military ops strictly to counter Russia. Once you are a NATO member, by the treaty, you cannot say NO to your country being used launch attacks against Russia, store weapons (nuke) or harbour NATO/American bases.

Now Ukraine used to be a part of the Old Russian Empire. They share border, cultural ties with Russia. Some native Russians are in Ukrainian territory.
Imagine tomorrow if Russia comes to Canada or Mexico to sign a Pact for them to oppose US, knowing the proximity of those countries to US, will US agree for them to be used as bases to store nukes?
If you still dont see the problem with Ukraine Joinig NATO, then you are not in tune with world politics

The funny thing is that Ukraine is a Soviet nation that NATO was created to destroy. Why can't Ukrainian politicians reason.

torqque7:


Oga there is no talk of any immediate plans or moves to join NATO and even if they wanted to join they still can't because of the terms, and it will take decades for Ukraine to meet those terms so that rubbish talk Putin is using as an excuse doesn't make sense..he has his personal agenda and reasons for wanting this war and its NOT ABOUT UKRAINE JOINING NATO,thats just a cover. Puttin is a dictator and bully,and as much as I like the guy tho this one is absolutely wrong and just pure wickedness because he thinks he is bigger than Ukraine. His down fall is calling and imminent

THE RUSSIAN ECONOMY IS STAGNATING AND PUTIN NEEDS TO DIVERT RUSSIANS ATTENTION FROM HIS ECONOMIC INCOMPETENCE.

The president has joined the chorus of misinformation that the US intelligence is known for. Seems every American has his own date and map of Russian invasion. After the childish falsehood about Saddam weapon of mass destruction, only a fool will believe these stupid rumours. Russia is only protecting itself from NATO's encirclement. There is no more WARSAW pact military alliance, what's the essence of NATO? Why antagonise Russia when u know that a war with her is unwinnable but will result in the end of mankind?

U neva even see anything
When we say that power has moved to the east, you think say na play abi?

Even if trump, bush or even reagan dey white house now, they cant do shit.

The sino-russian alliance has changed the game... the decline of SCAMerica is now on autopilot

thesicilian:
Joe biden is the weakest American president I have seen.

MyVILLAGEpeople:


You just said it Exactly how it is.

Excellent point.

You took the words from my mouth.

pipnator00:


Actually not true.
He is giving it to Putin hot hot and it will be in the best interest of Putin not to fall into the trap set by Western nations.
They are covertly pushing Putin/Russia to attack Ukraine. So they can either welcome Ukraine into NATO or deploy more missiles on the borders of Russia and as well weaken Russian economy and Putin economic power.

This is another way to look at it. Seems America wants a war between Russia and Ukraine at all cost. Whatever their reason its surely for America's selfish interest.
But Ukraine that is willing to be used as a battle ground and as bait is what i will never understand.

jrusky:


Academically your points devoid human freedom of choice and Association bro.

Ukrain is an entity I mean a nation on his own and not Russia annex or subject, so for whatever reason Russia does not have any right to dictate who should Ukraine Associate with its absolutey unacceptable and bully in nature.

It's like Nigeria telling Ghana then when they chose to called their currency "Ghanaian Dollar" and Nigeria say No you have no right to do such because it will make Dollar a threat to West African currency.

I do not mean to be rude but academic argument or point in this scenario must be balance and devoid sentiment, bully or human right deprevation bro.

Let me use a very crude analogy to answer your "academic " question. If you see or hear thieves are invading your neighbours apartment...wont you do whatever it takes to protect yourself and family before they can gain access to your own apartment?
Or someone is threatening to poke his fingers into your eyes you will stand and be looking like a mumu?
Russia is only trying to protect its interest...atimes its necessary to even use under hand tactics to win. Its called self preservation.

linearity:


That is why I said Russia is showing weakness, they would have not backed down on establishing the military pact with Cuba, just like US is not yielding to Russia demand, they not accept Ukraine membership into NATO.

And since US have refused to accept Russia request, I think to show strength, it is high time Russia revive the talks with Cuba, that is only when US will take Russia very serious.

Playing defense with little, little countries who would have otherwise naturally be your friend is a sign of weakness on Putin’s part.

Did you America were days away from invading Cuba and taking over Soviet missiles? The Soviet Union realising how helpless they were to assist Cuba because of the naval blockade agreed to remove the missiles in favour of the US not invading Cuba.
Any Russian military deployment to Cuba will end only one way, America invading Cuba within a week and taking over whatever assets and equipments Russia placed there.

Russia as well as the whole world knows when it comes to National Security, the US unites, no more brickering of Democrats against Republican, and that's not the America you want to face

Mystic969:
The fear of Putin is the beginning of wisdom

You don start again na so u dey talk of that North Korean president

ValCon888:
Russia doesn't really want to invade Ukraine. Russia is just doing everything it can to stop Ukraine from joining NATO.

Because if Ukraine becomes a NATO member, America and NATO can use Ukraine as a parking spot for nuclear and other ballistic weapons.

That's like pointing a gun to Russia's head, and we'll have the Cuban Missile Crisis all over again.

In this era and time, I don't think there's any country in the world that wants to go to war. Not even that mad man in North Korea.

If you think peace is expensive, try war. The cost of destruction can set your country back to the Stone Age.

Then why are they not at the negotiating table?? Instead they are making evacuations for an attack.

2021matta:
EXPOSED!!! Why is Ghana, Africa’s fastest growing Economy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMCoBmsERgY

Fattest which growing economy. Petrol is now 8cedis, commodities prices are on the rise, Ghanaians are lamenting on the poor state of the economy..
Allow the E-level tax that want to be implemented if so..

neuf:


which war has Russia won in a country they weren't invited... Dumb people everywhere

how many war mongering have Russia engaged and how many have America engaged in smart man

Bomaye7:
how many war mongering have Russia engaged and how many have America engaged in smart man

so none but somehow they are can take on the US that have been practicing their whole life... Go figure

brain54:

This is another way to look at it. Seems America wants a war between Russia and Ukraine at all cost. Whatever their reason its surely for America's selfish interest.
But Ukraine that is willing to be used as a battle ground and as bait is what i will never understand.

Referencing the bolded..
International politics and diplomacy is selfish. Everyone (countries) is using each other as long as their interests are achieved.

Ukraine wants to join either NATO or EU, how else would they achieve it than angering Putin into invasion? And If they can sustain and stretch the Russian invasion long enough to weaken them and force them to withdraw either by international pressure, then they may have a shot at joining either NATO or EU.

Remember as of today, Russia is one of the healthiest economies (I didn't say biggest) with less government debts, enough stash forex reserves and gold, which is detrimental to the safety of the Western nations.

So they (Western nation) would need Ukraine to stretch the invasion longer by supplying Ukraine with necessary military assistance needed to fight off Russia. That way, Russia will deplete their savings and foreign reserve in financing the invasion, weaken their economy and bring them (Russia) to their knees, to where the Russia economy was prior to there annexation of Crimea, when it was certain they didn't have the financial muscle to sustain a war.

TOPCRUISE:
Propaganda. Fake news.
Whats US Business on this matter. The parties involved are Russia, Ukraine and NATO and they are negotiating to arrive at a credible conclusion to avert an impending war.
But among the NATO, US are just pouring fuel by spreading propaganda. They have always been against a united Russia

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TOPCRUISE:
Propaganda. Fake news.
Whats US Business on this matter. The parties involved are Russia, Ukraine and NATO and they are negotiating to arrive at a credible conclusion to avert an impending war.
But among the NATO, US are just pouring fuel by spreading propaganda. They have always been against a united Russia

Fake news huh?

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