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Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 8:57pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Sorry. Dot the sky. Stars and planets as in the mythical genii of the stars and planets are the lord, gods,etc |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:09pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: You act as if you didn’t make up the slave part in your head. Yes, they did eventually die regardless if its 800 or 8000 years. Just like you made them slaves even though the text doesn’t call or imply slavery, I can make up slow acting poison that killed them 800 years later. Besides, this is not my interpretation of the story. I’m just doing the same thing you do. budaatum: Your interpretation is we known in this forum. budaatum: The lord made clothes for them to clarify. But they did get smarter if leaves are better than bare bottoms. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:24pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: No, Known, it doesn't just "means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors", though the two are often conflated. I read what you write and have an understanding or ask questions, but you know that I can not fully "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the author" you who is before me not to talk of "the actual meaning and intents of the authors" of a book written some 2000 odd years ago, and if I say I do "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the authors" please stone me! What I am stating is the understanding that I have gotten through my own asking and seeking and knocking for it with my own heart and soul and mind and being, and it would be silly of me to assume everyone has done only the same amount of seeking I did or no more than I have done and have not come to their own understanding, which is why I am here, Unknown, to state my own understanding and to hear your understanding. And trust me. If I find your understanding supersedes my own understanding or increases my understanding, I will abandon my understanding if need be and adopt your understanding or add your understanding to my understanding to booster my own understanding. Except that I am fully aware how much seeking I have done and can easily identify the difference in understandings. Whilst one can not "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the authors", some grasp the fruit of what they wrote. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:34pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown:Of course I made it up in my head! The text does not describe them as slaves after all, I buda did. If i put you in my garden and say don't acquire knowledge, will I be making you my slave, Unknown? KnownUnknown:I do not agree that you are doing the same thing I did, known. I am describing a state I think Adam and Eve were placed in while you are creating imaginary poisons that slowly kill in "800 or 8000 years". But if you think we are doing the same thing I will need to rest till we have reflected on our conversation so far. KnownUnknown:I strongly doubt buda's interpretations can be known in this forum, unknown. I wish it could be known though, so maybe one day. KnownUnknown: So, making leaves for themselves is not smarter than walking around naked as they were? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:35pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: It “means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors” regardless if it’s 2000 or 3000 years. Anything short is just your interpretation. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:35pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: What are "the mythical genii of the stars and planets"? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:38pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Well, I can not claim my own understanding is "grasping the actual meaning and intents of the authors”, unknown. I do not have the powers to go read minds of authors who died thousands of years ago and I do no have the hubris to assume my understanding is the "actual meaning and intents of the authors". Kindly accept my limitations please. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:41pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Personifications of the stars , planets, and the "chaos" they sprung from. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:45pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: You can find if you truly searched with your "heart, ass, liver, soul, and spirit". In all seriousness, it's a matter of making inferences based on sufficient background knowledge. It's not hubris. You can really get to a place where you can have reasonable assurance that you understand what the authors meant. I'm not saying you will understand the whole thing, but once you get their method you can even confirm some things yourself. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:46pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Personifications, as in like human beings who worshipped "stars planets" like 5000 years ago? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:48pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Personification as in giving them human/animal characteristics and telling stories about them. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:49pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown:I am not claiming the text implied, unknown. I, buda, inferred, from the text, with my own heart and soul and mind and being. I have asked you a few times now but you seem to avoid it. If you are placed in the garden of eden and told not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, please tell me the state your being would be in. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 9:54pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: You can't use you and I as examples because the relationship between us doesn't equate the relationship between the lord and the inhabitants of the garden. Besides the lord said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” The bolded being a warning about the harm the fruit would cause. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 9:54pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Interesting. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:01pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: First, let us get one thing clear, "Besides the lord said" nothing! The truth is we read in a book that some people wrote that the Lord said those things. You mean, the relationship is not that I created you and therefore own you? I fully agree. Why would they die if they "eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? Is it not a lack of knowledge that kills? What harm did the fruit cause, Unknown? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:07pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: You are very funny, unknown. I am making "inferences based on When you understand those things and have confirmed them they become your tools too, Unknown. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:11pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Of course we read it in a book!!!! Christ! We are just discussing the book....................if I said "Okonkwo said" does that mean I think Okonkwo actually said it?!!! budaatum: But the Lord didn't own them either. He just told them to stay away from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil" not the "tree of knowledge" budaatum: They died. Whether immediately or 800 years, they died. So, we can say the fruit did cause harm. Also, the "knowledge of good and evil" is different from "knowledge". It isn't about "knowledge" but the "knowledge of good and evil". |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:14pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: That's why it's just your interpretation and not understanding. I didn't say anything about your intelligence. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:24pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: If what happened to Adam and Eve, which is, their eyes opened, they became self employed, they bore children and populated the earth with their offspring and lived another 800 years, is what you call harm, then let me be harmed with enough for me to live just 200 years, I pray in the name of personified luminary orbs! Allegories a little more perhaps, or a little less, then might you easily make "knowledge of good and evil" become about "knowledge". |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by josh123(m): 10:28pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
sonmvayina:God created a perfect world, sin made it imperfect |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:30pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Lol. You're not the only one. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:30pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown:Trust me, you are saying a lot about my intelligence. Claiming I can interpret the "actual meaning and intents of the authors”, is saying I am more intelligent and capable than I actually am. Take the slavery I keep mentioning. Note how I do not claim the authors intended to enslave. Still, Why is it not my understanding of what I read? Why must it be an interpretation? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:36pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Why can't you interpret the actual meaning of the authors if you understand their method? You make it sound as if they were more than human beings. Again, I did not say anything about your intellegence. budaatum: What if the intention of the authors was to enslave? budaatum: Because you don't understand it. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:43pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: I can not make such a claim, unknown. Ordinary, a person ate fruit and died a week later I'd be like wtf if you say the fruit killed them, slowly. It's not how my brain works, you see, and I have found no reason nor evidence to convince myself of slow 800 year killing killer. Same with women giving birth with no male input, incidentally. My mind will disown me if I tempt it with such wuruwuru thinking budaatum: |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:52pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: If a person ate a poisoned fruit and died a week later, you wouldn;t be like wtf if you say the fruit killed them. Regardless, you can make any claim you want in the realms of allegory and mythology. We are talking about a story where they have 800 year life spans after all so why not a slow killing fruit with effects that take hold over time? budaatum: The woman in question did not need any male input and she remains a virgin. If you had the background knowledge, you'd understand how the woman can give birth with no male input. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 10:55pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown:There is no way for me to verify that my interpretation is the meaning of the authors, unknown, and personally, if I claim my own understanding is the interpretation you must please stone buda for lying! KnownUnknown:And this is precisely my point. Some might read it and interpret the intention of the author is to enslave. Some might read it and even enslave themselves. But my own understanding of my own reading shows me how people are enslaved and what I must do to resist being enslaved, which is eat the fruits of knowledge. Or is it easier to enslave knowledgeable people than those without knowledge, unknown? KnownUnknown: Aha, I get you. You understand it, which is why you know I don't, and you therefore have sufficient knowledge to explain it to me. Please, go ahead. Explain the Garden of Eden to buda please. |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 10:56pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Definitely not. That "spiritual death" interpretation is for the religious types. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 11:00pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Like yourself, right? How does "spiritual death" differ to your own "killing fruit with effects that take hold over time"? KnownUnknown: Are you making any claim you want? |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 11:04pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Your interpretation is not understanding. budaatum: Continue eating. budaatum: No. It was a rewarding experience finding it and I don't want to rob you of it if you do find it. Besides, certain ancient Romans had a saying interpreted as "The common people like to be deceived. Deceived, let them be". My sentiments are similar. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by budaatum: 11:38pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: You will return for more someday, unknown.
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Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by KnownUnknown: 11:39pm On Feb 28, 2022 |
budaatum: Lol. You will find it one day or maybe not. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did God Create An Imperfect World? by 22jumpstreet: 8:59am On Mar 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Why did God create an imperfect world? Answer: because man, one of God's creation has the capacity to do wrong.... Thanks again @Budaatum |
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