kollinz1234:
I am happy I am having this discussion with you devoid of insults and very educational and I appreciate it very well.
Now to the topic. Russia recognized the two regions as a republic and there was an outcry yet no one, not even USA/UN raised a weapon to confront Russia for recognizing those two break away regions. What is with Russia now invading the whole country Ukraine and calling for decapitation of the government What is with Russia trying to install a puppet government which they can control If Russian interest is in protecting those two regions, why didn't they just have their military hardwares in the two regions instead of a full invasion? People have spoken about Russia not wanting Ukraine to be part of NATO, again, they do not decide for a sovereign state what it should do or not do. They (Russia) claims that Ukraine is too close to them to have a NATO presence but take a look at the map I attached to this post and you will find that there are countries (eg Estonia) closer to Russia than Ukraine, yet Russia is not invading it. The whole issue here is that Russia is afraid of NATO expansion. Instead of fighting anyone wanting to Join NATO, I think Russia should rather play a BIG brother role to them, just like the USA is doing to nations.

The problem sterns from the agreement between the Western bloc and Eastern bloc before the dissolution of Soviet Union.
NATO is not just an ordinary union anybody can join. It is a military cooperation of states allied to the United States. It is the military arm of Capitalism which was what the communist/socialists that make up the Eastern bloc stood against.

Before the fall of Soviet Union, the legitimate successor of the Union (Russia) had an agreement with the Western bloc (USA) that the Western bloc even if they don't allow dissolution of their own union should not move an inch into the Eastern bloc. After the agreement Soviet Union was disintegrated and 13 countries emerged from it.


In Putin voice, before the invasion he said [b]"our action will depend on the course of negotiations, on the unconditionally provision of Russian security today and in future. In this regard we have made it clear that NATO's further Eastern expansion is unacceptable. What is incomprehensible here? Are we placing missiles near the borders of USA? No. It was the USA that came to our border with their missiles. They are already in front of our home. Is it excessive to ask not to put more offensive systems in front of our house? How would USA react if we put missiles in Mexico or Canada? And did Mexico and USA have territorial issues? To whom California and Texas belonged to (Mexico)? Have you forgotten or what? OK, everything has calmed down, no one remembers about it like Crimea of today, wonderful (to the media). But we also try not to remember how Ukraine was created. Who created it? Vladmir llyich Lenin, when he created the Soviet Union. The union treaty of 1922 and 1924. True the constitution was after his death but they were created according to his principle. But the issue is of security now, God bless history, its the issue of security. Therefore it is not the course of negotiations that is important to us. I've said this part many times and you probably know it too well "not an inch to the East" they (USA) told us in 1990s. So what happened? They cheated us, they just blatantly deceived us"[/b]


That map you posted that shows Estonia, Georgia Etc being part of NATO is part of the evidence of the Western deception. They are on a mission to complete what no empire has ever done in history which is "Global imperialism". It is just like one person (nation) taking full control of the entire world. [b]Forget what the media shows you about Russia and the Eastern bloc but the Eastern bloc has shown in history to be the ones to accept self determination of related people within them.
The negatiation with Ukraine is not to force Ukraine to become part of Russia although Russia has history backing to do such (to most parts of Ukraine) if she wishes but for Ukraine to remain Neutral even if she hates Russia (the hate is not even possible because few aliens running the government of Ukraine doesn't show how the indigenes feel)

Now this brings about the two people holding the posts of President and Prime minister in Ukraine. The two are not ancestrally Ukrainians but two Jews that took over the Government few years after the last Western backed insurrection in Ukraine in 2014. The insurrection was not in military form but protests. Unlike the West, the Ukrainian authority bowed to few protesters waving flags against the decision of the many. This cannot be tolerated in the West, especially in USA. If you doubt, answer me these questions,
1. What is holding USA from declaring the independence of Hawaii, Puerto Rico, California & Texas?
2. Or Britain relinquishing their control over anglophone Africa and also declaring the independence of the 14 countries (including Jamaica that have 98% blacks) still under their direct control (colonialism).
3. Or France relinquishing their control over francophone African economy and also the few African countries in the Indian ocean that they have not yet granted independence.

My dear, Russia is not the aggressor that is why in their press they are yet to use any tangible reason to back up their support for Ukraine. This is why the president of America will call Ukrainians "Iranian people" and the VP of USA justifying her support that it is because "Russia is a big country and Ukraine small country, therefore Russia is the oppressor"
No western country can do what Soviet Union did by granting independence to 15 countries.
I can go on and on but I will like to stop here incase you have questions.

BKayy:

The problem sterns from the agreement between the Western bloc and Eastern bloc before the dissolution of Soviet Union.
NATO is not just an ordinary union anybody can join. It is a military cooperation of states allied to the United States. It is the military arm of Capitalism which was what the communist/socialists that make up the Eastern bloc stood against.

Before the fall of Soviet Union, the legitimate successor of the Union (Russia) had an agreement with the Western bloc (USA) that the Western bloc even if they don't allow dissolution of their own union should not move an inch into the Eastern bloc. After the agreement Soviet Union was disintegrated and 13 countries emerged from it.
In Putin voice, before the invasion he said [b]"our action will depend on the course of negotiations, on the unconditionally provision of Russian security today and in future. In this regard we have made it clear that NATO's further Eastern expansion is unacceptable. What is incomprehensible here? Are we placing missiles near the borders of USA? No. It was the USA that came to our border with their missiles. They are already in front of our home. Is it excessive to ask not to put more offensive systems in front of our house? How would USA react if we put missiles in Mexico or Canada? And did Mexico and USA have territorial issues? To whom California and Texas belonged to (Mexico)? Have you forgotten or what? OK, everything has calmed down, no one remembers about it like Crimea of today, wonderful (to the media). But we also try not to remember how Ukraine was created. Who created it? Vladmir llyich Lenin, when he created the Soviet Union. The union treaty of 1922 and 1924. True the constitution was after his death but they were created according to his principle. But the issue is of security now, God bless history, its the issue of security. Therefore it is not the course of negotiations that is important to us. I've said this part many times and you probably know it too well "not an inch to the East" they (USA) told us in 1990s. So what happened? They cheated us, they just blatantly deceived us"[/b]

That map you posted that shows Estonia, Georgia Etc being part of NATO is part of the evidence of the Western deception. They are on a mission to complete what no empire has ever done in history which is "Global imperialism". It is just like one person (nation) taking full control of the entire world. [b]Forget what the media shows you about Russia and the Eastern bloc but the Eastern bloc has shown in history to be the ones to accept self determination of related people within them.
The negatiation with Ukraine is not to force Ukraine to become part of Russia although Russia has history backing to do such (to most parts of Ukraine) if she wishes but for Ukraine to remain Neutral even if she hates Russia (the hate is not even possible because few aliens running the government of Ukraine doesn't show how the indigenes feel)

Now this brings about the two people holding the posts of President and Prime minister in Ukraine. The two are not ancestrally Ukrainians but two Jews that took over the Government few years after the last Western backed insurrection in Ukraine in 2014. The insurrection was not in military form but protests. Unlike the West, the Ukrainian authority bowed to few protesters waving flags against the decision of the many. This cannot be tolerated in the West, especially in USA. If you doubt, answer me these questions,
1. What is holding USA from declaring the independence of Hawaii, Puerto Rico, California & Texas?
2. Or Britain relinquishing their control over anglophone Africa and also declaring the independence of the 14 countries (including Jamaica that have 98% blacks) still under their direct control (colonialism).
3. Or France relinquishing their control over francophone African economy and also the few African countries in the Indian ocean that they have not yet granted independence.

My dear, Russia is not the aggressor that is why in their press they are yet to use any tangible reason to back up their support for Ukraine. This is why the president of America will call Ukrainians "Iranian people" and the VP of USA justifying her support that it is because "Russia is a big country and Ukraine small country, therefore Russia is the oppressor"
No western country can do what Soviet Union did by granting independence to 15 countries.
I can go on and on but I will like to stop here incase you have questions.

everything u have written up there does not justify Russia invasion of Ukraine. If Russia has a problem with any agreement made, they should face the western Bloc who have violated the agreement and leave a sovereign nation alone or better still fight the entire NATO nations and reclaim the old Soviet Union. No need being a bully to a toddler. It makes no sense

Awkabigboy:

I was the one who actually said that I saw 1 ruble to 3 naira last week. The op of that thread was the one misleading us

Yeah, you are correct

kollinz1234:
everything u have written up there does not justify Russia invasion of Ukraine. If Russia has a problem with any agreement made, they should face the western Bloc who have violated the agreement and leave a sovereign nation alone or better still fight the entire NATO nations and reclaim the old Soviet Union. No need being a bully to a toddler. It makes no sense

You didn't read my comment