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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by pacespot(m): 1:22pm On Mar 20, 2022
USA will not risk Los Angeles, New York and many other beautiful cities in the country for Ukraine. All these cities are within the range of Russian missiles.

One thing I can surmise from this geopolitical tension is that, USA does not really want to take on China. Do you know that China produces almost everything used by US citizens down to the furnitures inside their sitting rooms. The truth is that China and USA need each other to maintain the current world order. But USA is only concerned about how things are going and what China will become once it becomes more powerful, because the current international trade arrangements benefit China more to grow its GDP ahead of USA. China can still grow up to four times the value of its current GDP, because there are still many millions of poor Chinese in the rural areas that need to be moved out of poverty. But in case of USA, the economy seems to have reached the peak and is now starting to fade. The concern about China from the USA point of view is that, the former might start to display a dictatorial instinct once it has achieved unparalleled economic successes over the latter and European Union combined. This is why USA need other regions of the world like Africa to grow in order to counterbalance China and make the prosperities of human civilization evenly spread across the world. USA needs to take the lead investing in Africa to have any chance of countering China's rise, but it doesn't seem to trust Black people as much as it trusts Russians, even though there is a war in Ukraine, USA is still blindfolded by race. China is even investing more in Africa than the USA, because it knows the future. But the funny thing is, the Russia wants to help China to build a new world order.

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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by caye(m): 1:26pm On Mar 20, 2022
CoronaVirusPro:


Fiction!

America will forever be The GREATEST NATION on Earth

Take that to the bank!
Another idiotic white man spotted on an African forum.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by goodheart01: 1:48pm On Mar 20, 2022
Great0ne1:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2efg_vQktj4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckpitGnrkwI

You can quietly admit you are OPONO

I’m not ready to watch any of your YouTube gimmicks. Stop being deluded simple!
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by dadexcel: 1:49pm On Mar 20, 2022
Tmberwolf1:
To those that did not read the full article, what it summarily says is that the US is no longer imposing itself on other countries. Unlike before when they were neo colonialists, now they are seeing other developed countries as much needed and equal allies. This a good thing moving forward for the rest of the world especially for we Africans, giving the current political climate, it seems that the US has learnt to be humble.



Am still at a lost as per what the unprovoked and stupid war of choice by an arrogant and power drunk tyrant called Putin's has got to do with the caption of this article......every sane human that has human blood running in his or her systems should forget about regional or whatever international politics and condemn in string terms the carnage Putin is causing in Ukraine for no justifiable reason.

The guy is a beast and a common tug like he is being tagged now and that should be at the top burner of any discussion on international politics and power play ....not a stylish and indirect praise of a blood sucking monster called Putin.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by dadexcel: 1:55pm On Mar 20, 2022
GloriousGbola:
Or maybe the US has a much older, experienced president who is actually able to think things through




My brother God bless you for this response . The truth really is love or hate US , it is has the strongest and most efficient military on earth. No amount of noise by Putin and his likes can change that ...Biden is only applying cautiin because of he economic and human impact of a third world war . You do not go to open confrontation with a complete and man ....you applybskill and wisdom to achieve your result...Biden has practically collapsed Russian economy as we speak.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by yongg: 2:02pm On Mar 20, 2022
Thisis2raw:
Underestimate America at your peril.

Watch has the power tussle will end.

I feel it's all a game to them.

What if this is a way to keep Russia and China divided in attention to the invasions they want to carry out, depleting some resource while doing that before actually engaging them squarely or alliedly, lols

Or even double every every as a distraction for something else which would enjoy the benefit of being paid less attention to
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by loswhite(m): 2:03pm On Mar 20, 2022
ken6488:

Putin is not interested in NATO countries, he only defend Russia sercurity interest
Is that what you tell yourself? I am sure you will support China invading Taiwan all in the name of security interests.
NATO is just a pretext for Putin's invasion. Ukraine has agreed to be neutral but your Putin is insisting that Ukraine must accept that Crimea and those eastern part is recognized as part of Russia. It is painful that because of your hate for the west you guys will support a country annexing a part of another country.
The question is if it was your country will you accept it?
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 2:07pm On Mar 20, 2022
quickly:


US didn’t lose to taliban they took over that country for years and Biden made a political decision to withdraw. Ask yourself why did they go in- to catch Osama - which they did and the other reasons where secondary.

If Republicans had won they would have still been there.

To them there was nothing worth fighting for over why kill them selves over worthless talibans?

All of NATO is sending weApons to Ukraine but is it the full armory of the US, nope

U can’t compare US military to Ukraine,



US infantry is over 1 million. Ukraine is a small country

Ordinary citizens are even more skillful with weaponry than some country best marksman


The Modern world is controlled by the US. If US decide to shut down GPS, all of the Russian middles will be missing .


Very soon US will be able to intercept nuclear weapons they can only intercept IBMs for now.

If Germany and US work together on Russia 100%.

U will see how Russia will fall or pull
Out quickly. Germany is still buying Russia saga which is 70% of their income.

And they left there weapons in the hands of alleged terrorists ? The talibans were able to repel the American forces. Mind you, the acting minister of interior Sirajuddin Haqqani has a $10 million bounty by us government, and you think they completed there mission ?

Russia doesn't need America GPS. They have GLONASS (Global Navigation Satellite System)

Germany and USA have been doing there best at the moment, under the umbrella of nato, but there best can't stop Russia.

Am still waiting for Russia trops withdrawal. Meanwhile America and nato are getting some serious ass kicking under the guise of volunteer fighters.

Germany is still buying Russia gas, because there is no option for them. There is also non in sight
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by ken6488(m): 2:08pm On Mar 20, 2022
loswhite:
Is that what you tell yourself? I am sure you will support China invading Taiwan all in the name of security interests.
NATO is just a pretext for Putin's invasion. Ukraine has agreed to be neutral but your Putin is insisting that Ukraine must accept that Crimea and those eastern part is recognized as part of Russia. It is painful that because of your hate for the west you guys will support a country annexing a part of another country.
The question is if it was your country will you accept it?
if USA try what they did in Ukraine on tawain
China will invade tawain
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by loswhite(m): 2:20pm On Mar 20, 2022
ken6488:
if USA try what they did in Ukraine on tawain
China will invade tawain
What did they do in Ukraine? Are you saying that Ukrainians don't want to be part of EU? Are you saying that Ukrainians wants a dictatorship where someone rules for 20 years?
I'm sure you are tired of less than 8 years of Buhari...lol.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by frankson1(m): 2:28pm On Mar 20, 2022
Jeromejnr:
There is just no way for them to win this fight against Russia.

Either they place a no flight zone thereby bringing about WWIII which will involve nuclear weapons.

Or they come up with a favourable negotiation which Putin will accept.

Apart from that, nothing...all these sanctions hardly work for a food and energy independent country. Rather it will affect other countries highly dependent on them.



Putin says he wants to meet Zelensky in person. The boy should go and talk his nonsense with Putin directly.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by quickly: 2:29pm On Mar 20, 2022
Great0ne1:

And they left there weapons in the hands of alleged terrorists ? The talibans were able to repel the American forces. Mind you, the acting minister of interior Sirajuddin Haqqani has a $10 million bounty by us government, and you think they completed there mission ?

Russia doesn't need America GPS. They have GLONASS (Global Navigation Satellite System)

Germany and USA have been doing there best at the moment, under the umbrella of nato, but there best can't stop Russia.

Am still waiting for Russia trops withdrawal. Meanwhile America and nato are getting some serious ass kicking under the guise of volunteer fighters.

Germany is still buying Russia gas, because there is no option for them. There is also non in sight


They might be a lot of weapons but nothing the US is losing sleep over. They can make a billion of those weaponry in no time. Most of those weaponry have tagging on them. All the have to do is send drone to take them out easy.

Since their new Commander in chief ordered immediate evacuation they followed.

US is not Nigeria they have manufacturing capability and will overdo.


Where were the talibans since 2001 when the US took over that country easily?. They occupied it for 21 years and decided to leave instantly .

Main Objective was accomplished in 2011. US was looking for Osama

If Afghanistan like let them behead all their citizen now nobody go interfer
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Awesometouch1: 2:33pm On Mar 20, 2022
Dalil8:
For the first time in a very long time, the west are feeling really powerless.
Powerless??
Wrong word.
They just did things differently in a way that suggests digging a grave for the Russians or Putin's administration.
The best way for the world.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:33pm On Mar 20, 2022
quickly:



They might be a lot of weapons but nothing the US is losing sleep over. They can make a billion of those weaponry in no time. Most of those weaponry have tagging on them. All the have to do is send drone to take them out easy.

Since their new Commander in chief ordered immediate evacuation they followed.


Where were the talibans since 2001 when the US took over that country easily?. They occupied it for 21 years and decided to leave instantly .

The Taliban since 2001?

The same Taliban that regrouped in 2003, and had many terrorities under their control till 2007?
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:36pm On Mar 20, 2022
goodheart01:


Russian forces are weak if not they would have captured Kiev in no time as they kept bragging. I didn’t even expect Ukraine to be able to resist Russian might to this extent. So that makes many wonder what would happen if Russia faced US or NATO in a full conventional war

Do you know the meaning of full conventional war

Ukraine will not last a day if it went to a full conventional war with Russia.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 2:37pm On Mar 20, 2022
quickly:



They might be a lot of weapons but nothing the US is losing sleep over. They can make a billion of those weaponry in no time. Most of those weaponry have tagging on them. All the have to do is send drone to take them out easy.

Since their new Commander in chief ordered immediate evacuation they followed.


Where were the talibans since 2001 when the US took over that country easily?. They occupied it for 21 years and decided to leave instantly .
The point is, they are already engaging the russians(whether they admit it or not) and they are not achieving there goal, while Russia is making progress(though slowed down by America involvement). Will russia achieve there goal ? You can bet your ass they will %100.

Where were the talibans since 2001 you ask ? Well they were up against the powerful American forces. They had to take there time and regroup for a bigger and successful attack. Guess what ? It worked and they succeeded in driving them away, without achieving all there goals(there puppet government was chased out of power).
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by anoda(m): 2:39pm On Mar 20, 2022
MangekyoAlt:
honestly Russians arent really in fighting mood ATM. And it would likely remain that way until or unless any external forces challenges russia militarily. Or interfere in their internal affairs. I can imagine that this is why the US haven't DARED trying to overthrow putin. Whenever any country gets on the nerve on the USA, what they do is first is try to overthrow their president, replacing him with a friendly one. They've don it many countries. They've even tried it with Erdogan, the president of Turkey. I was surprised that they've never contemplated trying such nonsense with Putin and this article totally explains wht. According to the CIA, the Kremlin is the most coded place in the world. Putin has even started clearing off some elements that he doesn't trust fully. The moment he notices that the USA are trying anything, he would be sure to leak it to the Russians who wouldn't have any of it. So the hands of the US are tied right now. The more they decide to interfer in Russia's affairs, the more the Russian people would become anti-west which I'm sure they wouldn't want.

This is very funny. Yeltin, the man who was the president of Russia before putin, was a certified western ass licker. The man did as he was told to do by the USA as they constantly humiliated Russia. Note that while this man was ass licking the ass of the USA, he was still criticizing their move to expand NATO towards Russia despite the reason why NATO was crated, the USSR was no more. When putin took over, he was fairly pro west as well. His attempt to join NATO was thwarted. NATO needed an enemy and if russia joined, pretty much NATO would become a useless bloc.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/putin-russia-ukraine-nato-george-robertson/
Which is why Putin asked in Germany, 2007.
"Are we still your enemies that you keep on expanding your alliance towards us?"

It is obvious that after the dissolution of the USSR, Russia legit wanted to form ties with the USA and the west. But USA felt like they won the Cold war hence they can treat their former rivals which was now a shadow of his former self, however they like. They became the proud fućks that they've been known to be.

Meanwhile, If USA can manage to overthrow putin and replace him with a pro western president like they did with Ukraine, believe me they will treat Russia with more respect than they have since the fall of the USSR. But the thing is, it is too late.
Lavrov, 2 days ago said "the illusions of Russia forming ties with the West is all but over now".
Meaning, instead of trying to create ties with the West they will instead with China and others in Asia and South America and even Africa. Russia has been of late increasing their presence in Africa. I don't know if it is just me that notices it
USA own na to park destroyers, nuclear subs and Aircraft carriers near country whe dey make noise, weda parking lot don finish for black sea i nor know.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by quickly: 2:41pm On Mar 20, 2022
BluntTheApostle:


The Taliban since 2001?

The same Taliban that regrouped in 2003, and had many terrorities under their control till 2007?


The same Taliban surrendered within days of US invasion .

Remember George bush started it and Biden ended,

If u don’t understand political differences between Republicans and Democrats. Political parties can be petty even PDP and APC that have no ideological differences can be petty just to score a point.


It was a war started by Republicans and ended by Democrats for political points

The US got tired because it was a pointless occupation . They had achieved their objectives

End of story

If u don’t get it forgt bout it
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 2:42pm On Mar 20, 2022
goodheart01:


I’m not ready to watch any of your YouTube gimmicks. Stop being deluded simple!
Then you may continue to wallow in your ignorance and foolishness
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by darediamond(m): 2:47pm On Mar 20, 2022
Jeromejnr:
There is just no way for them to win this fight against Russia.

Either they place a no flight zone thereby bringing about WWIII which will involve nuclear weapons.

Or they come up with a favourable negotiation which Putin will accept.

Apart from that, nothing...all these sanctions hardly work for a food and energy independent country. Rather it will affect other countries highly dependent on them.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by darediamond(m): 2:50pm On Mar 20, 2022
ken045501:
US and EU are powerless. They are biased body .. I wish and pray one day dollars will not be what it is today .. Fucc Americans
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!!! grin grin grin

I like you sentence mehhhhhhhn....

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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by darediamond(m): 2:52pm On Mar 20, 2022
Simplelion:
it's very simple, should American's and Russia decide to take it to nuke you know your answers already the Russian can't stand the whole of Europe take more of America so just leave it at that, let the Russian deal with sanctions first, let's also hope they won't nuke Ukraine because of hunger
The whole of Europe is under SAMAT or Satan2.
Ask NATO..
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:56pm On Mar 20, 2022
quickly:


The same Taliban surrendered within days of US invasion .

Remember George bush started it and Biden ended,

If u don’t understand political differences between Republicans and Democrats. Political parties can be petty even PDP and APC that have no ideological differences can be petty just to score a point.


It was a war started by Republicans and ended by Democrats for political points

The US got tired because it was a pointless occupation . They had achieved their objectives

End of story

If u don’t get it forgt bout it



That is not the point.

The post I quoted made it seem like the Taliban never showed their faces until 2021.

But that is not true.

The Taliban returned in 2003, holding sway. In a couple of months, a large expanse of territories were under their control.

The truth is that military forces, however great, will struggle against a largely non-conventional opposition.

And so far, Ukraine has explored largely non-conventional warfare tactics, from using irregulars to ambushes, etceteras.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by aribisala0(m): 2:56pm On Mar 20, 2022
Techguy96:

Stall negotiation?
Honestly Russia cannot get all they demand from Ukraine, Ukraine cannot also get all of their demand.
At the end of the day they will be compromise, it's obvious Russia cannot push Ukraine to the wall.
The war will only linger on for months at best. Countries like china and India will not be of much help to Russia but will keep doing business as usual. Remember china and India are also friends with Ukraine that's what most people tend to forget.
How is it obvious?

Game wey never reach half time you dey declare result.?
Very funny.
Russia is not moving troops by sea .This is their immediate neighbour If this continues for a couple more months Zelensky will not survive.

If you are listening to Western media and their analysis of the war do no be misled

I cannot think of any major NATO military success achieved in 4 weeks . Not in Iraq , Afghanistan or Viet Nam
The reality is that Odessa will soon fall and when that happens the Ukrainians will be totally landlocked. That would be a disaster because when peace returns Russia might not hand it back.

As long as this is happening in Russia's backyard there will be only one military outcome
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by stephenabudu959(m): 2:58pm On Mar 20, 2022
GloriousGbola:
Or maybe the US has a much older, experienced president who is actually able to think things through
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Owen247: 3:00pm On Mar 20, 2022
princeeze1:

That is what the bbc article is trying to sell but we know better. America is not humble in this case because it has learnt the art of humility. The doctrine of MAD has simply made it humble. It has weighed the human and civilization cost of intervention and cowed down. If it were a country say in the caliber of Serbia, they would waste no time to intervene militarily.
and dats y dey kip on using d word NUCLEAR ARMED RUSSIA wich have put its deterent forces on standby mode.russia is even waiting 4 d usa 2 make a move hence,using conscripts instead of veteran solders and not ova tasking dia air,naval and infantry forces. So far na just artillary power russia dey use in ukraine since.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by stephenabudu959(m): 3:03pm On Mar 20, 2022
Thisis2raw:
Underestimate America at your peril.

Watch has the power tussle will end.


When a child doesn't understand... He begins to speak out of ignorance.. It's amusing some people think the USA �� is weak.

Lemme just be laughing.... I personally would prefer the USA to ignore both Russia and Ukraine

Only a fool beats the drum of war when he is not prepared

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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Owen247: 3:08pm On Mar 20, 2022
dadexcel:





My brother God bless you for this response . The truth really is love or hate US , it is has the strongest and most efficient military on earth. No amount of noise by Putin and his likes can change that ...Biden is only applying cautiin because of he economic and human impact of a third world war . You do not go to open confrontation with a complete and man ....you applybskill and wisdom to achieve your result...Biden has practically collapsed Russian economy as we speak.
in history,no world power have gone to world war and reemerged as d same world power. So usa gats avoid dat world war to remaine in power.

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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by NairaMaster1(m): 3:13pm On Mar 20, 2022
goodheart01:


I was also going to ask that weird Dalil8 the same question

Don't mind them.
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Gospel2Day: 3:16pm On Mar 20, 2022
Dalil8:
For the first time in a very long time, the west are feeling really powerless.

They don't feel powerless. The weapons they sent to Ukraine are dealing a deathly blow to the tanks and personnel of the Russian military.
I think the West is War-Weary.
They prefer to grow their economy now than give more economic might and benefits to China, if they go into a war with Russia now.
Shalom
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Ishilove: 3:30pm On Mar 20, 2022
BluntTheApostle:


Do you know the meaning of full conventional war

Ukraine will not last a day if it went to a full conventional war with Russia.
Don't mind them. Awon arm chair Generals isonu

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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 3:31pm On Mar 20, 2022
smeag0l:
The US doesnt want a war because a war with a nuclear powerhouse will just be pointless. It will lead to so much devastation in the world that even if the US wins such war, they'll lose their credibility as a super power as the world will forever blame them for a war that could have been averted. This is what theyre avoiding

Nobody, not even the US can win a nuclear exchange. It will be the end of civilization, there maybe survivors in nuclear bunkers, but then they will have to go back to medieval times. There are currently no counter measures for an ICBM. Am ICBM travels at Mach 21+, existing interceptors at their best intercepts incoming at mach 7. Secondly, they come with MIRV. E.g satan 2 has over 15MIRV warheads, meaning for every single one, you need 15 accurate interceptions. If 1000 was launched at you, you would need 15000 accurate interceptions, how is it even possible? Each warhead carries over 1000kN of ordainace. The one that destroyed Hiroshima is just 15kN. So even if your interceptors are able to shoot down some, the ones that scale through would be enough to totally annihilate you. This is the principle of MAD. This is the reason for the American humility. Because there is credible deterrence and a second strike is assured even if you were to launch a devastating preemptive first strike. The US is not after who blames them for what, after all they brushed off the UN and invaded Iraq. What they fear is MAD. Now you know why Kim is very much after nuclear deterrence, that’s the only language the US understands. Even if they do not have a means of delivery to mainland US, they have the capacity to wipe off SK which the US would want to avoid. Everyone calls Kim a dictator or rocketman, but that rocket is the reason the US has not cooked up a reason to invade him. Rather they would use sanctions as we see in Russia.

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