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Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Pacesetter123(m): 9:02pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
ivolt:But America has the right to do so, right? 2 Likes |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Pacesetter123(m): 9:10pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
kponkedenge:Why are you people like this in this country? Have you read the thread at all? The report is analyzing the genesis of the problem to you as far back as Tony Blair, Angela Markel, Nicolas Zarkozi, George Bush era and several conferences that were held and parliamentary speeches made and agreement/disagreement reached that led to today's problem in Ukraine.You are here talking about Crimea issue of 2014. 2 Likes |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Pacesetter123(m): 9:22pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
brightleave:Where you people with this shout of SOVEREIGNTY up and down when Cuba was prevented from forming alliance with Russia in 1962? Or to you people, is this concept of "sovereignty" just developed in this Ukraine-Russia crisis era? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Pacesetter123(m): 9:28pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
This article has vindicated Russia and Putin. So Putin has been shouting against the western "invasion" of eastern Europe in several conferences and they pay deaf ears to it all this while? Putin, you are a leader that have the interest of your people and region at heart. May God standby you in this struggle to emancipate the world from a unipolar ruler. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by VirileNelly2420: 9:28pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
yanabasee:And US has no nukes? ....who is to keep eyes on them? |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by VirileNelly2420: 9:37pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
masseratti:As if every European nation is in EU...? Upto 17 European countries ain't in EU. Wot stops NATO keeping to simple peace treaty? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by jikins(m): 9:52pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
SIRTee15: Sanctions isn't a crime but its effects are criminal. And do have lasting effect on countries and more importantly people in those Countries. Russia invasion of Ukraine didn't happen in a vacuum. Of course it was provoke. That much is very clear even from this article. You don't like violence that's fine but you also need to understand cause and effects. If situations were handled better by all sides we won't be here. Obviously Russia is not without fault, same goes for Ukraine and the west. If only one side had relaxed their hardline we won't be in this situation today. This is the case through out history. It didn't just start with Putin. Countries have gone to war in the past over trivial things. If Russia wasn't provoked they would never have a reason to invade Ukraine. To you their reason is trivial but to them its of immense importance for their own security. That's why the best diplomats are those who don't only see things from their own perspective. But try as much to get in the mind space of the opposite party, trying to come at the issue from their perspective. But a diplomat no matter how good they are can't do anything when none of the sides involve are ready to meet in the middle. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by VirileNelly2420: 10:25pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
kponkedenge:The problem didn't start in 2014. Also, Crimea, according to history belonged to Russia. Crimeans voted to b home, to b Russians, not as if Russia took it by force. Even if Putin had wanted Ukraine, NATO and Ukraine gave him d lead. Dey gave him reasons to assert his ambition. 2 Likes |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by SIRTee15: 10:32pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
oluobi: Are u blind? Didn't u see I already condemn USA involvement in Syria. Or what else do u want me to do. Abeg commot for road and find else where to vent your fustration. What's my business with new world order? If it's got nothing for Africa, I'm not interested. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by oluobi(m): 10:34pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
SIRTee15: You guys come online to abuse anybody. I don't blame you. I wish you well. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Kenmarine(m): 11:16pm On Apr 03, 2022 |
Coz they know Kremlin never believed in Ukraine as a country if its own Pacesetter123: |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by masseratti: 2:03am On Apr 04, 2022 |
VirileNelly2420:is NATO EU? are Ukrainians not Europeans? if they want to have economical relationships with their European brothers is that a bad thing? do you have to kill people for that? you guys are so pathetic.. Ur point is so irrelevant... your lots av been disgraced on this forum.... happy people are being killed for nothing and you laughing... jeez you can are pathetic. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by masseratti: 2:10am On Apr 04, 2022 |
Pacesetter123:am sure uv never been to the to an airport before, it's not Britain.. it's united Kingdom. ask your self, whats bad in Ukraine trying to join the EU for economical gains? |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by cule7(m): 2:45am On Apr 04, 2022 |
Terrier99: You still haven't answered my question. Which country captured Berlin that ended the war in Europe? 1 Like |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by topelenege: 4:11am On Apr 04, 2022 |
gowaga68: Thanks for this vital information. Please can you be kind enough to send the remaining part of the article cos ‘wsj’ will not reveal the rest of the article. Thanks. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by AutoshalomUSA: 5:53am On Apr 04, 2022 |
Nah UK and US Dey always find trouble first from history….. Even for Afriqa and Asjia . Russia no wan go relegation yet . Imagine how eh go be if US and UK Dey control China and Russia as dem Dey control Taiwan and Hong Kong before. . Z power no be today …… Putin has being waiting for this moment . That’s why he remained in power - To Restore Mother Russia !!!!! Which could potentially save planet earth and balance this life wey no balance at all . If Russia is in control , Nigeria ho wake up quick . Because Russians don’t condone mediocrity like the west lol willi926: 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Pacesetter123(m): 9:03am On Apr 04, 2022 |
masseratti: Some of you people are so funny with African mentality. What has been to an airport got to do with what we are discussing now? You were asking what is wrong with Russia joining EU themselves. I then asked you what is wrong that your slave master, Great Britain/United Kingdom is leaving the same EU you wanted Russia to join. And instead of you to maintain the line of argument, you are busy jumping off line to going to an airport and Ukraine joining EU. Was been to an airport and Ukraine joining EU part of our initial comments? So you think you travel more than I do? 1 Like |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Yeahmehn: 9:39am On Apr 04, 2022 |
All these things na LIE. WSJ that promotes woke media agenda is what I will believe? Park well jor Media is one of the greatest scams. Everyone of them promoting their own agenda without saying it as it is. Believe this jargon at your peril |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by colonelwealth(m): 11:16am On Apr 04, 2022 |
GardenOfGod: Better truth have never been spoken like this concerning this matter. Indeed flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. Kudos, you are wise. 1 Like |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by gowaga68: 1:10pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
I've been getting lot of bot ban on here. I'll try see what could be done on your request. topelenege: |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by DerrickzB: 1:33pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
[s] womenareapess:[/s] If you had sense tho… |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Caseless: 2:36pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
englishmart:And their asslickers "littered" across this forum wants us to believe Russia should defeat a country with organized security systems(not ragtag taliban) it invaded in matter of days. Simpleton!!! |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Caseless: 2:40pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
topelenege:when you get the remaining part, do @me. Why do you think WSJ won't release the rest of the article? |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by Caseless: 2:43pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
yanabasee:so, America can invade and trigger wars at will, but it's other nations that should be watched. Who watches over America? America was the first to use nuke in Japan and couldn't use it again since other nations developed their own. But it's the Russia that should be watched. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by VirileNelly2420: 4:08pm On Apr 04, 2022 |
masseratti:I think U're rather lost. Who and who are laughing? Who's killing who by d way? ... according to Western media, Ukraine is dealing with Russia. So tell me, Russian lives don't matter? Also, is Nigeria and China in any economic tie? ...have we not been having economic relation wit Dem? ...it's same wit oda nations. U don't need to be in EU to Foster economic relationship with dem. Thiz organizations are mainly for military alliance. For d fact dat d real leaders of EU are are enemies of Russia, dey are also in NATO. According to books, dey had treaty da would help in geopolitical security. They should not expand to d East! As u know, Russia is d king of d East. But EU and NATO has faulted dis treaty. Russia wants to use Ukraine to remind dem dat d calmness of a lion is not cowardice. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by masseratti: 8:03am On Apr 05, 2022 |
VirileNelly2420:EU is a political and economic bloc not military and not all EU members are NATO members, Russian lives matters if Putin had not invade Ukraine.. Ukrainians didn't go to Russia to kill Russians.. Russians came to Ukraine to kill them and they are defending their territory. your analogy about Nigeria and China is flawed.. if Ukraine is part of EU they won't pay taxes, duty on most of their goods they will be part of the largest economic bloc in the world.. this war is senseless. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by masseratti: 8:22am On Apr 05, 2022 |
Pacesetter123:Na airport be your problem? is there no freedom of association again? a sovereign nation has the right to join or not join any association, group or anything, not for another country or nation to dictate for them. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by VirileNelly2420: 8:35am On Apr 05, 2022 |
masseratti:Must u kill a perceived enemy? Why not neutralize Dem and keep Dem hostage? A soldier is a soldier. He obeys d final command from his superior. So, Russian soldiers are working base on orientation and ideology. Why not neutralize n capture dem? Oh, u're elated by d news of Ukrainian killing Russians in tens of thousands? |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by masseratti: 1:55pm On Apr 05, 2022 |
Pacesetter123:when and how? America is not perfect that we all know but two wrongs don't a right. |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by safariman(m): 2:19pm On Apr 06, 2022 |
You are ignorant of how the UN works. The permanent members can veto any substantial UN Resolutions. China has done it so has Russia. I am sure you have heard of UN resolutions regarding Israel's occupation of some area of Palestine, which have been ignored. UN resolutions are under different chapters (VI and VII..Biding and non biding) but they lack enforcement mechanism. US deciding to veto a UN resolution is not a "Rule of Law" debate. Rule of law is about no one leader or government officials (Putin, Hitler, Bush, Buhari) acting as if they are above the law of their respective countries. UN does not make laws, they govern many things including voting on resolutions, solving problems amongst member countries and providing peace keeping roles. US supports Saudi Arabia because it is in their best interest of their country (flow of oil). Russia or China supporting North Korea, Cuba and Iran is because it is in their best interest to counter US, NATO and Israel's overeach. UN used to stand up against countries meddling in another countries' internal affairs. Russia broke that understanding by going against another country's sovereignty. I can't recall where US attacked another country without a UN Resolution. Regarding the Cuban embargo, any country can have a trade relationship with Cuba or Venezuela, but they are afraid of reprisals from US if they choose to do so. Are you aware that since 1992, the UN general assembly has voted in favour of that embargo to be lifted every year. The US, to date has ignored the resolution.I ask again is that rule of law?Is that democracy? You need to find out the pain that embargo has inflicted and it's still inflicting on Cubans We blame our government everyday for not obeying rule of law, yet we are quick to defend US, whenever they do same. Is the US the same as the UN, they (US)decide which one is dictatorship and which one is not. Is democracy practiced in Saudi Arabia, NO, but it's okay by US, since they are their allies. Hypocrisy! [/quote] |
Re: Vladimir Putin’s 20-Year March To War In Ukraine And How The West Mishandled It by safariman(m): 2:30pm On Apr 06, 2022 |
You are right, Democracy promotes freedom and one man, one vote. Majority carries the day of their elective representatives. Cuba is a communist country, you don's see America taking over or attacking them but she decides not to do business with them and ban their products. North Korea is a dictatorship countries subjecting her people to abject poverty whereas South Korea (democracy country) is enjoying good life. Democracy is not a guaranty for good quality life but it sure beat the autocracy or communist government in living standards and quality of life, afterall, we practice democracy in Nigeria, where has that led us with a quasi authoritarian, tribalistic government and not rule of law, disobeying court orders right and left but the Judiciary too has problems too with 419 judges. jikins: |
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