oz4real83: There would have been no war if the families of Vladimir Putin and Zelenski were the ones being deployed to the war front. So many families have lost their loved ones in this senseless war, not a single soul has been lost by the families of these two people.
I understand your point but Zelenski didn’t start a war. His country was invaded !! Btw, this is not a war , it’s an invasion by Russia
You just read that the Turkish vessel met the Moskva already keeled over on its side and you are still talking about internal fire?
The only way a vessel of that nature would keel over on its side is if it took on water and the only way it would have taken on water is if the hull was damaged. The hull is the EXTERNAL part of the ship that helps keep it afloat.
The fact that it sank shows that the OUTSIDE AKA HULL of the ship was damaged thus taking in water which caused it to keel over to its side and then sink.
Since you lack the ability to reason properly I will help you with a pictorial representation of what the hull is and where it is. View the attached
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Mumu stop forming professor since you lack the ability to think for yourself. Why did your dear mainstream media claim yesterday that the fire was SUCCESSFULLY PUT OUT and the ship did not sink. So who is confusing who. Please i want to see the VIDEO of that ship under water. What the so called missile did was barely a scratch. Also America has had incidents of fire outbreaks on board. If dem born zelensky, Let him destroy Moscow. Use your redundant brain.
Ogaga87: Ukraine bought drones from Turkey and have been destroying Russia with it while when Russia dies from the destruction, Turkey run to rescue them..
This is another form of globalisation..
Your Wahala is another man's bread
even if it was a Ukrainian vessel, it's a common practice to receive sailors on Sea. The German did it to the British sailors and vice versa
Mumu stop forming professor since you lack the ability to think for yourself. Why did your dear mainstream media claim yesterday that the fire was SUCCESSFULLY PUT OUT and the ship did not sink. So who is confusing who. Please i want to see the VIDEO of that shop under water. What the so called missile did was barely a scratch. Also America has had incidents of fire outbreaks on board. If dem born zelensky, Let him destroy Moscow. Use your redundant brain.
so now is a good time to believe mainstream media. I thot they were all liars and western propaganda or it's only when the narrative favors you guys that you believe.
Ukraine destroy Moscow, lol.. how old are you? Is it Ukraine that when to look for trouble? Has Ukraine ever made any war threat against Russia? People are defending their freedom and homeland and you're here wailing.
Ukraine said out of the 510 onboard only about 58 were rescued.
Turkey whose vessell actually did the rescuing have confirmed that only 54 were rescued out of the 485 sailors onboard
Russia as expected lied that all 510 were evacuated without even knowing that the actual number of sailors onboard as confirmed by the Turkish vessel which rescued 54 of them was 485 and they also lied that the vessel was being towed to Port.
Turkey again has bursted that lie and said they met the vessel already capsized on it's side and they even provided time stamps to back it up.
No towing vessel at all and they managed to rescue only 54.
So Russia lost 431 out of the 485 sailors onboard from this one strike by Ukraine
No wonder they are ashamed to say the truth. This is a major bloody nose from Ukraine
The day you believe what comes out of putin's Russia please seek medical help.
Kingsnairaland: EU fell right into US trap! The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.
The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.
That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.
All of the hysterical war propaganda is created with the intention of manufacturing a crisis that can be used to isolate, demonize and, ultimately, splinter Russia into smaller units. The real target, however, is not Russia, but Germany. Check out this excerpt from an article by Michael Hudson at The Unz Review:
“The only way left for U.S. diplomats to block European purchases is to goad Russia into a military response and then claim that avenging this response outweighs any purely national economic interest. As hawkish Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” (“America’s Real Adversaries Are Its European and Other Allies”, The Unz Review)
There it is in black and white. The Biden team wants to “goad Russia into a military response” in order to sabotage NordStream. That implies there will be some kind of provocation designed to induce Putin to send his troops across the border to defend the ethnic Russians in the eastern part of the country. If Putin takes the bait, the response would be swift and harsh. The media will excoriate the action as a threat to all of Europe while leaders around the world will denounce Putin as the “new Hitler”. This is Washington’s strategy in a nutshell, and the whole production is being orchestrated with one goal in mind; to make it politically impossible for the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to wave NordStream through the final approval process. Hi
In all these, blame putin for stupidly falling into the trap when he already knows about it and come to think of it Germany should have exempted themselves from nato or any form of association with America. America cannot be securing you from russia and sponsoring nato and you are busy making deals with your purported enemy, that is hypocrisy. Trump spoke extensively against this but oversabi no allow them.
Kingsnairaland: EU fell right into US trap! The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.
The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.
That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.
All of the hysterical war propaganda is created with the intention of manufacturing a crisis that can be used to isolate, demonize and, ultimately, splinter Russia into smaller units. The real target, however, is not Russia, but Germany. Check out this excerpt from an article by Michael Hudson at The Unz Review:
“The only way left for U.S. diplomats to block European purchases is to goad Russia into a military response and then claim that avenging this response outweighs any purely national economic interest. As hawkish Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” (“America’s Real Adversaries Are Its European and Other Allies”, The Unz Review)
There it is in black and white. The Biden team wants to “goad Russia into a military response” in order to sabotage NordStream. That implies there will be some kind of provocation designed to induce Putin to send his troops across the border to defend the ethnic Russians in the eastern part of the country. If Putin takes the bait, the response would be swift and harsh. The media will excoriate the action as a threat to all of Europe while leaders around the world will denounce Putin as the “new Hitler”. This is Washington’s strategy in a nutshell, and the whole production is being orchestrated with one goal in mind; to make it politically impossible for the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to wave NordStream through the final approval process. Hi
and Putin is really going for this bait and if eventually he falls for it . That’s the final destination, it’s very clear they are baiting this guy and he his falling for it stupidly.
Kingsnairaland: EU fell right into US trap! The Ukrainian crisis has nothing to do with Ukraine. It’s about Germany and, in particular, a pipeline that connects Germany to Russia called Nord Stream 2. Washington sees the pipeline as a threat to its primacy in Europe and has tried to sabotage the project at every turn. Even so, Nord Stream has pushed ahead and is now fully-operational and ready-to-go. Once German regulators provide the final certification, the gas deliveries will begin. German homeowners and businesses will have a reliable source of clean and inexpensive energy while Russia will see a significant boost to their gas revenues. It’s a win-win situation for both parties.
The US Foreign Policy establishment is not happy about these developments. They don’t want Germany to become more dependent on Russian gas because commerce builds trust and trust leads to the expansion of trade. As relations grow warmer, more trade barriers are lifted, regulations are eased, travel and tourism increase, and a new security architecture evolves. In a world where Germany and Russia are friends and trading partners, there is no need for US military bases, no need for expensive US-made weapons and missile systems, and no need for NATO. There’s also no need to transact energy deals in US Dollars or to stockpile US Treasuries to balance accounts. Transactions between business partners can be conducted in their own currencies which is bound to precipitate a sharp decline in the value of the dollar and a dramatic shift in economic power. This is why the Biden administration opposes Nord Stream. It’s not just a pipeline, it’s a window into the future; a future in which Europe and Asia are drawn closer together into a massive free trade zone that increases their mutual power and prosperity while leaving the US on the outside looking in. Warmer relations between Germany and Russia signal an end to the “unipolar” world order the US has overseen for the last 75 years. A German-Russo alliance threatens to hasten the decline of the Superpower that is presently inching closer to the abyss. This is why Washington is determined to do everything it can to sabotage Nord Stream and keep Germany within its orbit. It’s a matter of survival.
That’s where Ukraine comes into the picture. Ukraine is Washington’s ‘weapon of choice’ for torpedoing Nord Stream and putting a wedge between Germany and Russia. The strategy is taken from page one of the US Foreign Policy Handbook under the rubric: Divide and Rule. Washington needs to create the perception that Russia poses a security threat to Europe. That’s the goal. They need to show that Putin is a bloodthirsty aggressor with a hair-trigger temper who cannot be trusted. To that end, the media has been given the assignment of reiterating over and over again, “Russia is planning to invade Ukraine.” What’s left unsaid is that Russia has not invaded any country since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and that the US has invaded or toppled regimes in more than 50 countries in the same period of time, and that the US maintains over 800 military bases in countries around the world. None of this is reported by the media, instead the focus is on “evil Putin” who has amassed an estimated 100,000 troops along the Ukrainian border threatening to plunge all of Europe into another bloody war.
All of the hysterical war propaganda is created with the intention of manufacturing a crisis that can be used to isolate, demonize and, ultimately, splinter Russia into smaller units. The real target, however, is not Russia, but Germany. Check out this excerpt from an article by Michael Hudson at The Unz Review:
“The only way left for U.S. diplomats to block European purchases is to goad Russia into a military response and then claim that avenging this response outweighs any purely national economic interest. As hawkish Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs, Victoria Nuland, explained in a State Department press briefing on January 27: “If Russia invades Ukraine one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.” (“America’s Real Adversaries Are Its European and Other Allies”, The Unz Review)
There it is in black and white. The Biden team wants to “goad Russia into a military response” in order to sabotage NordStream. That implies there will be some kind of provocation designed to induce Putin to send his troops across the border to defend the ethnic Russians in the eastern part of the country. If Putin takes the bait, the response would be swift and harsh. The media will excoriate the action as a threat to all of Europe while leaders around the world will denounce Putin as the “new Hitler”. This is Washington’s strategy in a nutshell, and the whole production is being orchestrated with one goal in mind; to make it politically impossible for the German Chancellor Olaf Scholz to wave NordStream through the final approval process. Hi
But nobody put a knife to Putin's throat forcing him to go to war. If nord steam 2 was important to him then he should have focused on getting that deal sealed before invading Ukraine...I mean, why invade Ukraine?
Mumu stop forming professor since you lack the ability to think for yourself. Why did your dear mainstream media claim yesterday that the fire was SUCCESSFULLY PUT OUT and the ship did not sink. So who is confusing who. Please i want to see the VIDEO of that ship under water. What the so called missile did was barely a scratch. Also America has had incidents of fire outbreaks on board. If dem born zelensky, Let him destroy Moscow. Use your redundant brain.
Incoherent ramblings.. Americans have had fire outbreaks? Where Americans at WAR? So there was a Missile attack? The Ukrainians where not dreaming it? And then a fire started on its own accord? NO correlation with the said missile attack? And all these sounds plausible to your genius of a mind?
Kingsnairaland: Whenever USA kills people innocent people during war they will open their mouth and say..
Everything is fair in love and war..... This guy's have no sympathy for any thing called human apart from them.
If you suddenly decide to declare Russia an international aggressor, read these facts and figures. Over 3 million people - that's how many foreigners the US military has killed in 60 invasions of sovereign nations under the pretext of bringing "democracy"? Cuba (1906) - ? Nicaragua (1912) - ? Haiti (1915) - ? Dominican Republic (1916) - ? 29 Russia (1918) - 2,000 Japan (1945)- 246000 Philippines (1948-1953) - 160,000 Puerto Rico (1950) - 29 Korea (1950-1953) - 570 Guatemala (1954) - 100000 Lebanon (1958) - ? Panama (1958) - 734 Laos (1959) - 3,000 Haiti (1959) - 2204 Ecuador (1960) - ? Guatemala (1960) - ? Dominican Republic (1965) - 2500 Vietnam (1964-1975) - ? 850132 Guatemala (1966) - ? Indonesia (1966) - ? Philippines (1966) - ? Cambodia (1967) - ? 300.000 Laos (1971-1973) - ? Nicaragua (1972) - ? El Salvador (1977) - ? 75.000 Grenada (1983) - ? Libya (1986) - ? Iran (1980) - ? Lebanon (1982) - ? 144000 Grenada (1983) - 141 Libya (1986) - 45 Honduras (1988) - ? Iran (1988) - 290 Virgin Islands (1989) - ? Panama (1989) - ? 734 Iraq (1991) - ? Bosnia and Herzegovina (1992 - 1995) - ? 98.000 Somalia (1992 -1994) - ? 1,000 Haiti (1994) - ? 200 Sudan (1998) - ? Yugoslavia (1999) - 5,700 Afghanistan (2001-2021) - 103000 Iraq (2003-2011) - 690000 Iraq (2011-2017) - 170000 Liberia (2003) - 150000 Pakistan (2004) - 108000 Libya (2011) - 40000 Syria (2013) - 2286 Yemen (2015) - 11000 Cameroon (2015) - ? Libya (2015) - 1,000 And then there were the color revolutions perpetrated (or thwarted) by the US in Georgia (2003), Ukraine (2004, 2014), Kyrgyzstan (2005), Tunisia (2011), Armenia (2008, 2015), Russia (2010, 2013), Belarus (2020), and Kazakhstan (2022). The sanctions imposed on the US for this age-old international terrorism are 0. Judge for yourself. No politics, just numbers.
How many did Nigerians has died in the hands of fellow Nigerians since independent?
Cameroonians are busy getting butchered by Paul Biya.
While the drug Lords in Colombia are responsible for several deaths and destruction of the economy.
The Libyans are busy at the moment killing one another and trading any black person caught in between as slave.
Down in Sudan the Sudanese are all buying making mince meat out of themselves for years.
We roll down to DRC and watch the destruction visited upon themselves by both the Congolese, Ugandans and Rwandans all jostling for the riches buried beneath the soil of Congo.
While in the middle east the Taliban and other extremist groups are busy making suya out of their people.
I know you will argue that the west is responsible for fermenting those conflicts. My question is if your neighbour ask you to kill your brother and you agree to that isn't that a sign of stupidity on your part?
When will Africa take responsibility for their failures? When will we sit up accept we bleeped up and build our lives rather than blaming the west for all our ills.
Like it was the west that told the Fulani to keep barbecuing Nigerians.
Or was the west that told Buhari to fail in keeping Nigerians safe?
Or maybe it was the west that told Abia and Kogi States governors to be one of the worst governors Nigerians ever had.
Or was the west that told the government of Enugu state not to provide water in Enugu city or probably it was the west that was responsible for the dirty that lie around our major cities. These are common things that we could do for our own good and we would blame the west for everything and anything.
Bigchristo: Shut up your mouth Ode if we check and balance all lies being told in regards to this war you will find out that Ukraine and mainstream media has been giving huge lies and propaganda, no side is truly reporting the actual story.
You are senseless by calling me names,I do not argue with uncouth stupid people as this shows how low your level reasoning are.
You this men on nairaland... when una enter una menstrual period una go dey type jibberish.
No wonder it was easier for the western white men to make South, west, East Nigerian slaves compared to the Afghanistan and northern Nigeria.
Eriokanmi: Stop the rain of abuse on your fellow moniker who was merely voicing his opinion. How much are you going to get at the end of all these ? It's not necessary. He made some valid points while you also did. However, that doesn't change the fact that the ship was hit by Ukrainian missile. How do you expect the almighty Russia to admit that claim, when they already knew it was going to be a dent on their might ? Russia claimed there was explosion on the ship...caused by what exactly...during the war...? What a coincidence.
Russia had lied on so many confirmed cases since the beginning of this war, likewise Ukraine. I personally rated Russisa so high before this war started. But now, they don't earn my respect anymore, for a mushroom country like Ukraine who had almost nothing compared to Russia in armoury to be dealing with them.this way. That ship is worth billions of dollars. I'm so disappointed.
We know Russia Goverment was lying. The Zombies on NL Love to amplify the lies from Putin, They can't put out logical reasoning to know that a Warship that seized hit by two missiles, must surely go down with casualties onboard.
.... You know how to use social media I guess.... Create a poll across all the major social media applications and ask how many people admire the president of Ukraine.... Whatever result you get... Take it as your response
Ukraine said out of the 510 onboard only about 58 were rescued.
Turkey whose vessell actually did the rescuing have confirmed that only 54 were rescued out of the 485 sailors onboard
Russia as expected lied that all 510 were evacuated without even knowing that the actual number of sailors onboard as confirmed by the Turkish vessel which rescued 54 of them was 485 and they also lied that the vessel was being towed to Port.
Turkey again has bursted that lie and said they met the vessel already capsized on it's side and they even provided time stamps to back it up.
No towing vessel at all and they managed to rescue only 54.
So Russia lost 431 out of the 485 sailors onboard from this one strike by Ukraine
No wonder they are ashamed to say the truth. This is a major bloody nose from Ukraine
So na once the Ship sink? it usually takes hours for ship to go underwater, immediately the incident occured several Russia ship's were within the vicinity which evacuated the first set of personnel onboard,those rescued by the Turkish ship might have been the essential sailor on board the Vessel when it was been towed.
so now is a good time to believe mainstream media. I thot they were all liars and western propaganda or it's only when the narrative favors you guys that you believe.
Ukraine destroy Moscow, lol.. how old are you? Is it Ukraine that when to look for trouble? Has Ukraine ever made any war threat against Russia? People are defending their freedom and homeland and you're here wailing.
You dense ghan
Shhhhhsh, i asked a question. Who is confusing who. If mainstream media is saying that the ship sank and later they come out to say the ship did not sink, what are we to believe then. By the way,
����⚡The Moskva cruiser was able to get under its own power to Sevastopol for repairs, - Pentagon representative Kirby
Earlier, he said that the ship is afloat, and the exact causes of the fire are unknown.
Mumu stop forming professor since you lack the ability to think for yourself. Why did your dear mainstream media claim yesterday that the fire was SUCCESSFULLY PUT OUT and the ship did not sink. So who is confusing who. Please i want to see the VIDEO of that ship under water. What the so called missile did was barely a scratch. Also America has had incidents of fire outbreaks on board. If dem born zelensky, Let him destroy Moscow. Use your redundant brain.
Same Russia has said the ship sunk and you are here sweating inside AC
Ukraine said out of the 510 onboard only about 58 were rescued.
Turkey whose vessell actually did the rescuing have confirmed that only 54 were rescued out of the 485 sailors onboard
Russia as expected lied that all 510 were evacuated without even knowing that the actual number of sailors onboard as confirmed by the Turkish vessel which rescued 54 of them was 485 and they also lied that the vessel was being towed to Port.
Turkey again has bursted that lie and said they met the vessel already capsized on it's side and they even provided time stamps to back it up.
No towing vessel at all and they managed to rescue only 54.
So Russia lost 431 out of the 485 sailors onboard from this one strike by Ukraine
No wonder they are ashamed to say the truth. This is a major bloody nose from Ukraine
Guy no go let Russia give u hypertension oh. Am not sure Ukrainians carry this matter for head the way u carry am. But instead of all this social media fight against Russia, why don't u look for visa to Ukraine to be a combatant?
Look at this empty headed nincompoop. Is it not the same edrogan that used abacha style fake coup to round up potential opposition figures?
Best thing you will tell me putin and saddam elections were free and fair. Fascist stan
The same edrogan who is currently fking up the economy?
Ignoramus who needs everything spelt out to him. The same turkey outed the murder of jamal khasshoggi, something MBS did not see coming.
How is the coup fake? Seriously people like you are just puppet, your brain are program to believe what ever the west tell you. The coup organizers attempted to kill Erdrgan and blame it on the Greek,they even planned to bomb Greece in the process,as for the economy. Yes Turkey is being punished by both U.S and Saudi for Turkey dearing to to speak against them. Tell me,is Hungry or Ukraine more democratic than Turkey,why Turkey being targeted and how large was Turkish economy b4 Erdogan?
How is the coup fake? Seriously people like you are just puppet, your brain are program to believe what ever the west tell you. The coup organizers attempted to kill Erdrgan and blame it on the Greek,they even planned to bomb Greece in the process,as for the economy. Yes Turkey is being punished by both U.S and Saudi for Turkey dearing to to speak against them. Tell me,is Hungry or Ukraine more democratic than Turkey,why Turkey being targeted and how large was Turkish economy b4 Erdogan?
This one would have voted for abacha and his coup in a flash.
