Very true. In fact, that's what happened in Sokoto

African and their kolomentality are like 5&6

chatinent:

STOP LOOKING FOR TROUBLE

Even dey ha muhammed instructed dem to eat housefly.imagine dastardly faith

chatinent:

Not true, those happened during the times of war. There are violent verses in the the bible too will you say those verses are justification for killing unjustly?


Allah SWT said:

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 63)

"And [they are] those who, when they spend, do so not excessively or sparingly but are ever, between that, [justly] moderate"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 67)

"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)

haekymbahd:
Not true, those happened during the times of war. There are violent verses in the the bible too will you say those verses are justification for killing unjustly?

Allah SWT said:

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 63)

"And [they are] those who, when they spend, do so not excessively or sparingly but are ever, between that, [justly] moderate"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 67)

"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)

Can you show us where it is stated that those happened during the times of war!

Why is it so easy for you guys to lie to cover up the filth in Islam?

What has the last two portions you quoted got to do with the issue?

sagenaija:
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Can you show us where it is stated that those happened during the times of war!

Why is it so easy for you guys to lie to cover up the filth in Islam?

What has the last two portions you quoted got to do with the issue?

Lol... Why not read up the whole Quran yourself instead of cherry picking what suits your evil agenda..


Those verses responded to the issue..

haekymbahd:
1. Not true, those happened during the times of war.

2. There are violent verses in the the bible too will you say those verses are justification for killing unjustly?

1. How exactly does Islam tell a time of war apart from a time of peace as it seems Muslims up in the north are ever in war-mode, this to the average Nigerian out there.

2. You mention the violent verses of the Bible, can you be more specific here so we make certain we speak here of same things.

Kobojunkie:
1. How exactly does Islam tell a time of war apart from a time of peace as it seems Muslims up in the north are ever in war-mode, this to the average Nigerian out there.

when Muslims are being attacked and killed, oppressed and expelled from their homes only because they say Allah is the one they choose to worship.

Allah SWT said:

"And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah, lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 108)

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 63)

"Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse


"Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Mumtahana 60: Verse 9)

Kobojunkie:

2. You mention the violent verses of the Bible, can you be more specific here so we make certain we speak here of same things.

Check the the book of Moses there are lots of it there but does it justify killing unjustly.

haekymbahd:
1. when Muslims are being attacked and killed, oppressed and expelled from their homes only because they say Allah is the one they choose to worship. And I don't think this clauses has been triggered in the north.

2. Check the the book of Moses there are lots of it there but does it justify killing unjustly.

1. What you quoted seem more like random verses from here and there to support your particular opinion as far as your claim. My question to you is not meant to solicit your person view here but a generally accepted Muslim wide teaching on this differentiation between war-time and peace-time.

Imagine the case or 4 muslim families evicted from their homes by a non-muslim landlord for either one issue or another, what stops those 4 families from deciding war has been declared on them all because of their belief?

2. The book of Moses contains the Constitution given by God, YHWH, for what is the Nation of Israel, just as even Nations today, including Nigeria, also boasts of a Constitution with some similar laws and penalties in their for crimes. What sets the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, apart from every other National Constitution out there, including the Constitution as it operates today in the Nation of Israel is that the YHWH Constitution was hinged on YHWH's presence remaining in the land, and His Levite system He set up as His only Law enforcement unit.

The presence of the God of the Jews, YHWH (His temple) where pretty much taken out of the picture, this over 2000 years ago, along with the Levite system, leaving Israel pretty much unable to carry out even the death penalty in honor of God. So, I see no reason why we should compare that which is in 2022 AD to say that which was the case in 22 AD. .

Let's end the attempts to distract from the main issue here, shall we?

Kobojunkie:

2. The book of Moses contains the Constitution given by God, YHWH, for what is the Nation of Israel, just as even Nations today, including Nigeria, also boasts of a Constitution with some similar laws and penalties in their for crimes. What sets the Old Covenant Law of Moses, YHWH, apart from every other National Constitution out there, including the Constitution as it operates today in the Nation of Israel is that the YHWH Constitution was hinged on YHWH's presence remaining in the land, and His Levite system He set up as His only Law enforcement unit.

The presence of the God of the Jews, YHWH (His temple) where pretty much taken out of the picture, this over 2000 years ago, along with the Levite system, leaving Israel pretty much unable to carry out even the death penalty in honor of God. So, I see no reason why we should compare that which is in 2022 AD to say that which was the case in 22 AD. .

Let's end the attempts to distract from the main issue here, shall we?

Why were those war fought atleast YHWH commanded Moses and others to fight and kill men, women, children and animals was that also in constitution...

haekymbahd:
Why were those war fought atleast YHWH commanded Moses and others to fight and kill men, women, children and animals was that also in constitution...

I don't understand your question.

YHWH'S command was to the Nation of Israel, allowing them the right to war with enemy Nations.

Kobojunkie:
I don't understand your question.

YHWH'S command was to the Nation of Israel, allowing them the right to war with enemy Nations.

What was the offence of those enemy nations or why did YHWH gave the right to war?


In that regard see Arabia as ALLAH's chosen nation just as you see Isreal as YHWH's chosen nation...

haekymbahd:
1. What was the offence of those enemy nations or why did YHWH gave the right to war

Good question!

1. My guess is you have read about Sodom and Gomorrah , a Nation which was destroyed by God with fire. What do you suppose was Adonai's beef with that nation was for Him to conclude it had to be destroyed at that point in time?

The same Adonai is said to have commanded the Nation of Israel to destroy other nations, and here you are asking me to probe Adonai's mind to find reason for why He chose those other nations too for destruction?

haekymbahd:
1. In that regard see Arabia as ALLAH's chosen nation just as you see Isreal as YHWH's chosen nation...

1 . Arabia as Allah's chosen nation? Nigeria is not in Arabia though.

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By the way, Adonai didn't command the Jews to annihilate the enemy states simply on grounds that Israel was "chosen" by Him. No, the decision, as God explained had little to nothing to do with the people of Israel as it had more to do with His promise to their ancestors and the fact that those nations were evil and to be destroyed by Him.

4 “The Lord your God will force those nations out for you. But don’t say to yourselves, ‘The Lord brought us to live in this land because we are such good people.’ No, the Lord forced those nations out because they were evil, not because you were good.
5 You are going in to take their land, but not because you are good and live right. You are going in, and the Lord your God is forcing those people out because of the evil way they lived. And the Lord wants to keep the promise he made to your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
6 The Lord your God is giving you that good land to live in, but you should know that it is not because you are good. The truth is that you are very stubborn people! - - Deuteronomy 9 vs 4 - 6

If that had been the major reason then the Adonai would not have had other Nations destroy Israel every time Israel erred against Him now, would He?

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2.. What you quoted seem more like random verses from here and there to support your particular opinion as far as your claim. My question to you is not meant to solicit your person view here but a generally accepted Muslim wide teaching on this differentiation between war-time and peace-time.

Imagine the case or 4 muslim families evicted from their homes by a non-muslim landlord for either one issue or another, what stops those 4 families from deciding war has been declared on them all because of their belief?

Kobojunkie:
1 . Arabia as Allah's chosen nation? Nigeria is not in Arabia though.

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By the way, Adonai didn't command the Jews to annihilate the enemy states simply on grounds that Israel was "chosen" by Him. If that had been the major reason then the Adonai would not have had other Nations destroy Israel every time Israel erred against Him now, would He?

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so the Amelekites did nothing wrong or what was their offence?


1 Samuel 15
1
Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD.
2
This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

Kobojunkie:

2.. What you quoted seem more like random verses from here and there to support your particular opinion as far as your claim. My question to you is not meant to solicit your person view here but a generally accepted Muslim wide teaching on this differentiation between war-time and peace-time.

Now listen those verse occured during the time when Islam was finding it's foot and Allah has chosen Arabia. was Prophet Muhammad not expelled totally from Arabia by meccans and Jews in ALLAH's chosen nation. Should ALLAH lose his chosen nation while YHWH didn't lose his definitely no he fought back for it....

Also Allah didn't command the killing of Deborah because it is not justifiable by his words.

Allah SWT said:

"And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversation. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain after the reminder with the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 68)



Prophet Muhammad wasn't violent early on he was oppressed and expelled from his home town which is also ALLAH's chosen nation that was why he was commanded to fight so Allah didn't command Nigeria Muslims to fight for him. The khaabah itself was built by Ishmael for the worship of ALLAH..


Allah SWT said:

"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, Our Lord is Allah. And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 40)

Kobojunkie:

Imagine the case or 4 muslim families evicted from their homes by a non-muslim landlord for either one issue or another, what stops those 4 families from deciding war has been declared on them all because of their belief?

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."


Muslims can leave their home if been evicted or oppressed for the sake of their religion and start a new life. Muhammad fought back for Arabia because Allah had chosen it as his nation and that was why he was given the permission to fight...

haekymbahd:
1. so the Amelekites did nothing wrong or what was their offence?

2. Now listen those verse occured during the time when Islam was finding it's foot and Allah has chosen Arabia. was Prophet Muhammad not expelled totally from Arabia by meccans and Jews in ALLAH's chosen nation. Should ALLAH lose his chosen nation while YHWH didn't lose his definitely no he fought back for it....

Also Allah didn't command the killing of Deborah because it is not justifiable by his words.
Allah SWT said:
"And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversation. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain after the reminder with the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 68)

3. Prophet Muhammad wasn't violent early on he was oppressed and expelled from his home town which is also ALLAH's chosen nation that was why he was commanded to fight so Allah didn't command Nigeria Muslims to fight for him.

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4a. Allah SWT said:
"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, Our Lord is Allah. And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 40)


Allah SWT said:
"Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."

4b. Muslims can leave their home if been evicted or oppressed for the sake of their religion and start a new life. Muhammad fought back for Arabia because Allah had chosen it as his nation and that was why he was given the permission to fight...

1. As Adonai explained in Deuteronomy 9 vs 1 - 6, the reason He chose those nations, even the Amelekites for destruction had absolutely nothing to do with the children of Isreal but the fact that the nation was ripe, by His standard, for destruction.

2. Are you saying that the verses you quoted only apply as far as when Islam was only trying to find it's foot in the world meaning they are obsolete in meaning today then? Or am I reading this wrong?

Let's leave Deborah out of this conversation for now abeg!

3. So you are saying that Allah chose Arabia for himself and commanded Mohammed to fight to establish his Arabia?

And Allah did not choose Nigeria and did not command Nigerian Muslims to fight for him but did Allah command the killing of individuals accused of blasphemy even in Nigeria?

4a. The block of verses you continue to repost don't seem to line up with your claims. Is there more context to any of the verses that can show that indeed permission to fight was given from Allah to those of Arab states and not to pretty much any group even in Nigeria or Indonesia?

4b. Here's the problem, Muslims seem to fight back everywhere claiming they are permitted to do so by Mohammed, and Allah. You say they can't but have yet to show your claims correspond with Muslim scripture.

haekymbahd:
Not true, those happened during the times of war. There are violent verses in the the bible too will you say those verses are justification for killing unjustly?


Allah SWT said:

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 63)

"And [they are] those who, when they spend, do so not excessively or sparingly but are ever, between that, [justly] moderate"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 67)

"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)

Aren't you doing Taqqiyya again?

By reading each of the Quranic scriptures listed above can one truely says these were meant for times of war?

Your posture is totally deceptive!

Muslims are expected to force Jews and Christians to pay Jizya if they would not convert to Islam UNTIL they feel humiliated in the process. Is this during the times of war or peace?


haekymbahd , You may may dislike violence as a person BUT don't forget that Allah says that Fighting has been prescribed for you as Muslims!

Can you list the verses that abrogated these violent verses?
Can you show that Allah himself abrogated the verses and not human beings!

This is why Christ came to teach Compassion, Forgviness and Love. Meanwhile, Muslims are core believers of the old testament.

Remember the Ishmael and Issac story?

Muslim and Christian war is till the end of time

Muslim and Jew war is till the end of time

Our only misfortune is that the Arabs and West forced their lifestyle on our ancestors and we have been helping them fight their religious battle since then instead of us to develop our land.

Kobojunkie:


4b. Here's the problem, Muslims seem to fight back everywhere claiming they are permitted to do so by Mohammed, and Allah. You say they can't but have yet to show your claims correspond with Muslim scripture.

What do you make of this verses putting this in the case of Deborah was it worth it?

Allah SWT said:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 125)

"And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 126)

"And be patient, [O Muhammad], and your patience is not but through Allah. And do not grieve over them and do not be in distress over what they conspire."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 127)

"Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 128)

TenQ:

Aren't you doing Taqqiyya again?

By reading each of the Quranic scriptures listed above can one truely says these were meant for times of war?

Your posture is totally deceptive!

Muslims are expected to force Jews and Christians to pay Jizya if they would not convert to Islam UNTIL they feel humiliated in the process. Is this during the times of war or peace?


haekymbahd , You may may dislike violence as a person BUT don't forget that Allah says that Fighting has been prescribed for you as Muslims!

hahaha... This problem here occured because the Jews and the Christians didn't follow what their book preached to love their neighbors as themselves. Why didn't the Jews and the christian love the Muslims. Or are you saying the Jews were not the first to attack muhammad. Didn't the form alliance with pagans of mecca to expel muslims from Arabia which they did successfully.

Imagine Muhammad came back and said okay you Jews are the ones who sent me out of Arabia as they saw the Muslims as enemy okay if you want to stay in Arabia you will have to pay tax (is it their country arent you paying tax in Nigeria) and observe a treaty (agreement of not forming alliance with the enemies because they can't be trusted)


The Jews connided with pagans of mecca expelled Muslims from Arabia and the Muslims gave them rules to follow if they wish to stay in Arabia during their reing isn't that kindness..

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haekymbahd:
1. What do you make of this verses putting this in the case of Deborah was it worth it?

Allah SWT said:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 125)

"And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 126)

"And be patient, [O Muhammad], and your patience is not but through Allah. And do not grieve over them and do not be in distress over what they conspire."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 127)

"Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 128)

1. I am afraid I don't see what you assert as regards the Deborah case. She was falsely accused of blasphemy against Mohammed, not even Allah, and those who lynched her believe themselves just and good in their acts according to what is Muslim standards. So?

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid I don't see what you assert as regards the Deborah case. She was falsely accused of blasphemy against Mohammed, not even Allah, and those who lynched her believe themselves just and good in their acts according to what is Muslim standards. So?

Then let them come forward to show the verse that justified their act...

haekymbahd:
Then let them come forward to show the verse that justified their act...

Pretty much the same verses you continue to post can be used to argue for the barbaric acts carried out against Deborah, particularly those I highlighted in red earlier.

I asked you earlier if Mohammed gave definitive instructions as regards this blasphemy nonsense, and you said no, yet Muslims world over seem to believe that blasphemers deserve death as punish, how come?

It is well

Kobojunkie:
Pretty much the same verses you continue to post can be used to argue for the barbaric acts carried out against Deborah, particularly those I highlighted in red earlier.

I asked you earlier if Mohammed gave definitive instructions as regards this blasphemy nonsense, and you said no, yet Muslims world over seem to believe that blasphemers deserve death as punish, how come?

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].


The punishment for blasphemy in the bible is death but no where in the Quran will you see death as punishment for blasphemy...

Let them show their verse that justified this maybe they saw it in the bible..

haekymbahd:
Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

The punishment for blasphemy in the bible is death but no where in the Quran will you see death as punishment for blasphemy...

Let them show their verse that justified this maybe they saw it in the bible..

That Law in scripture, even where blasphemy is concerned, applies only to those who are born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins.

15 “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16 I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17 But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18 you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19 “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20 You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15

The Old Covenant Law of Moses does not apply to anyone not descended from Jacob, unless the person believes the God of the Jews a Fool instead.

haekymbahd:
hahaha... This problem here occured because the Jews and the Christians didn't follow what their book preached to love their neighbors as themselves. Why didn't the Jews and the christian love the Muslims. Or are you saying the Jews were not the first to attack muhammad. Didn't the form alliance with pagans of mecca to expel muslims from Arabia which they did successfully.

Imagine Muhammad came back and said okay you Jews are the ones who sent me out of Arabia as they saw the Muslims as enemy okay if you want to stay in Arabia you will have to pay tax (is it their country arent you paying tax in Nigeria) and observe a treaty (agreement of not forming alliance with the enemies because they can't be trusted)


The Jews connided with pagans of mecca expelled Muslims from Arabia and the Muslims gave them rules to follow if they wish to stay in Arabia during their reing isn't that kindness..

Let's assume that the Jews warred against Muslims, can you please answer this question: What evil did your hadiths say Christians did to Muslims?
Quran 29:46
Do not argue with the People of the Book unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to you. Our God and your God is ˹only˺ One. And to Him we ˹fully˺ submit.”

If indeed Allah and Yahweh is one God, why should
1. Muslims force us to pay Jizya until we feel humiliated
2. Why the hatred to the point of killing a christian who bears no arms?

The girl that was killed by Muslims in Sokoto, in what way did she fight Muslims?

When Muhammad was chased out of Mecca, was it not a Christian king in Abyssinia that protected him?
See how the love of Christian protection was replaced with hatred from Muslims

Quran 9:29, fight idolaters but make Jews and Christians pay jizya until they are humiliated
Quran 5:51 (“Do not take the Jews and Christians for friends, for they are friends of each other. Whoever takes them for a friend is a sinner.”)?

From the two verses above who is promoting hate?

You see how easy it is to forget goodness when power has entered your head?

Islam truly is the religion of hate!

Kobojunkie:
That Law in scripture, even where blasphemy is concerned, applies only to those who are born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins.
The Old Covenant Law of Moses does not apply to anyone not descended from Jacob, unless the person believes the God of the Jews a Fool instead.

check the bolded and detect your error who are strangers?

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

haekymbahd:
Lol... Why not read up the whole Quran yourself instead of cherry picking what suits your evil agenda..

Those verses responded to the issue..

We know when you choose to beat a retreat.
We are not unaware of your devices.