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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by FatherOfJesus: 11:08pm On Jun 01, 2022
cornelboy:


Where's is the evidence
Make sure to read it because I will force you to discuss what in this article without strawmaning


In a paper published in the Sept. 1 issue of the journal Nature, the Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, which is supported in part by the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), describes its landmark analysis comparing the genome of the chimp (Pan troglodytes) with that of human (Homo sapiens).

"The sequencing of the chimp genome is a historic achievement that is destined to lead to many more exciting discoveries with implications for human health," said NHGRI Director Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. "As we build upon the foundation laid by the Human Genome Project, it's become clear that comparing the human genome with the genomes of other organisms is an enormously powerful tool for understanding our own biology."

The chimp sequence draft represents the first non-human primate genome and the fourth mammalian genome described in a major scientific publication. A draft of the human genome sequence was published in February 2001, a draft of the mouse genome sequence was published in December 2002 and a draft of the rat sequence was published in March 2004. The essentially complete human sequence was published in October 2004.

"As our closest living evolutionary relatives, chimpanzees are especially suited to teach us about ourselves," said the study's senior author, Robert Waterston, M.D., Ph.D., chair of the Department of Genome Sciences of the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. "We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human? But this genomic comparison dramatically narrows the search for the key biological differences between the species."

The 67 researchers who took part in the Chimp Sequencing and Analysis Consortium share authorship of the Nature paper. Most of the work of sequencing and assembling the chimp genome was done at the Broad Institute of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass., and the Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. In addition to those centers, the consortium included researchers from institutions elsewhere in the United States, as well as Israel, Italy, Germany and Spain.

The DNA used to sequence the chimp genome came from the blood of a male chimpanzee named Clint at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Atlanta. Clint died last year from heart failure at the relatively young age of 24, but two cell lines from the primate have been preserved at the Coriell Institute for Medical Research in Camden, N.J.

The consortium found that the chimp and human genomes are very similar and encode very similar proteins. The DNA sequence that can be directly compared between the two genomes is almost 99 percent identical. When DNA insertions and deletions are taken into account, humans and chimps still share 96 percent of their sequence. At the protein level, 29 percent of genes code for the same amino sequences in chimps and humans. In fact, the typical human protein has accumulated just one unique change since chimps and humans diverged from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago.

To put this into perspective, the number of genetic differences between humans and chimps is approximately 60 times less than that seen between human and mouse and about 10 times less than between the mouse and rat. On the other hand, the number of genetic differences between a human and a chimp is about 10 times more than between any two humans.

The researchers discovered that a few classes of genes are changing unusually quickly in both humans and chimpanzees compared with other mammals. These classes include genes involved in perception of sound, transmission of nerve signals, production of sperm and cellular transport of electrically charged molecules called ions. Researchers suspect the rapid evolution of these genes may have contributed to the special characteristics of primates, but further studies are needed to explore the possibilities.

The genomic analyses also showed that humans and chimps appear to have accumulated more potentially deleterious mutations in their genomes over the course of evolution than have mice, rats and other rodents. While such mutations can cause diseases that may erode a species' overall fitness, they may have also made primates more adaptable to rapid environmental changes and enabled them to achieve unique evolutionary adaptations, researchers said.

Despite the many similarities found between human and chimp genomes, the researchers emphasized that important differences exist between the two species. About 35 million DNA base pairs differ between the shared portions of the two genomes, each of which, like most mammalian genomes, contains about 3 billion base pairs. In addition, there are another 5 million sites that differ because of an insertion or deletion in one of the lineages, along with a much smaller number of chromosomal rearrangements. Most of these differences lie in what is believed to be DNA of little or no function. However, as many as 3 million of the differences may lie in crucial protein-coding genes or other functional areas of the genome.

"As the sequences of other mammals and primates emerge in the next couple of years, we will be able to determine what DNA sequence changes are specific to the human lineage. The genetic changes that distinguish humans from chimps will likely be a very small fraction of this set," said the study's lead author, Tarjei S. Mikkelsen of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard. Among the genetic changes that researchers will be looking for are those that may be related to the human-specific features of walking upright on two feet, a greatly enlarged brain and complex language skills.

Although the statistical signals are relatively weak, a few classes of genes appear to be evolving more rapidly in humans than in chimps. The single strongest outlier involves genes that code for transcription factors, which are molecules that regulate the activity of other genes and that play key roles in embryonic development.

A small number of other genes have undergone even more dramatic changes. More than 50 genes present in the human genome are missing or partially deleted from the chimp genome. The corresponding number of gene deletions in the human genome is not yet precisely known. For genes with known functions, potential implications of these changes can already be discerned.

For example, the researchers found that three key genes involved in inflammation appear to be deleted in the chimp genome, possibly explaining some of the known differences between chimps and humans in respect to immune and inflammatory response. On the other hand, humans appear to have lost the function of the caspase-12 gene, which produces an enzyme that may help protect other animals against Alzheimer's disease.

"This represents just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to exploring the genomic roots of our biological differences," said one of the study's co-authors LaDeana W. Hillier of the Genome Sequencing Center at Washington University School of Medicine. "As more is learned about other functional elements of the genome, we anticipate that other important differences outside of the protein-coding genes will emerge."

Armed with the chimp sequence, researchers also scanned the entire human genome for deviations from normal mutation patterns. Such deviations may reveal regions of "selective sweeps," which occur when a mutation arises in a population and is so advantageous that it spreads throughout the population within a few hundred generations and eventually becomes "normal."

The researchers found six regions in the human genome that have strong signatures of selective sweeps over the past 250,000 years. One region contains more than 50 genes, while another contains no known genes and lies in an area that scientists refer to as a "gene desert." Intriguingly, this gene desert may contain elements regulating the expression of a nearby protocadherin gene, which has been implicated in patterning of the nervous system. A seventh region with moderately strong signals contains the FOXP2 and CFTR genes. FOXP2 has been implicated in the acquisition of speech in humans. CFTR, which codes for a protein involved in ion transport and, if mutated, can cause the fatal disease cystic fibrosis, is thought to be the target of positive selection in European populations.

The chimp and human genome sequences, along with those of a wide range of other organisms such as mouse, honey bee, roundworm and yeast, can be accessed through the following public genome browsers: (GenBank) at NIH's National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI); the UCSC Genome Browser (www.genome.ucsc.edu) at the University of California at Santa Cruz; the Ensembl Genome Browser (www.ensembl.org) at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute and the EMBL-European Bioinformatics Institute; the DNA Data Bank of Japan (www.ddbj.nig.ac.jp); and EMBL-Bank (www.ebi.ac.uk/embl/index.html) at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory's Nucleotide Sequence Database.

A high resolution version of the image displayed on this page is available at: www.genome.gov/dmd.

NHGRI is one of 27 institutes and centers at the NIH, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services. The NHGRI Division of Extramural Research supports grants for research and for training and career development at sites nationwide. Additional information about NHGRI can be found at its Web site, www.genome.gov.

For more information, contact:

Geoff Spencer, NHGRI
(301) 402-0911
spencerg@mail.nih.gov
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by cornelboy(f): 11:23pm On Jun 01, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
Make sure to read it because I will force you to discuss what in this article without strawmaning
In a paper published in the Sept. 1 issue of the journal Nature, the Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, which is supported in part by the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), describes its landmark analysis comparing the genome of the chimp (Pan troglodytes) with that of human (Homo sapiens).
"The sequencing of the chimp genome is a historic achievement that is destined to lead to many more exciting discoveries with implications for human health," said NHGRI Director Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. "As we build upon the foundation laid by the Human Genome Project, it's become clear that comparing the human genome with the genomes of other organisms is an enormously powerful tool for understanding our own biology."
The chimp sequence draft represents the first non-human primate genome and the fourth mammalian genome described in a major scientific publication. A draft of the human genome sequence was published in February 2001, a draft of the mouse genome sequence was published in December 2002 and a draft of the rat sequence was published in March 2004. The essentially complete human sequence was published in October 2004.
"As our closest living evolutionary relatives, chimpanzees are especially suited to teach us about ourselves," said the study's senior author, Robert Waterston, M.D., Ph.D., chair of the Department of Genome Sciences of the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. "We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human? But this genomic comparison dramatically narrows the search for the key biological differences between the species."
The 67 researchers who took part in the Chimp Sequencing and Analysis Consortium share authorship of the Nature paper. Most of the work of sequencing and assembling the chimp genome was done at the Broad Institute of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass., and the Washington University School of Medicine in Saint Louis. In addition to those centers, the consortium included researchers from institutions elsewhere in the United States, as well as Israel, Italy, Germany and Spain.
The DNA used to sequence the chimp genome came from the blood of a male chimpanzee named Clint at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Atlanta. Clint died last year from heart failure at the relatively young age of 24, but two cell lines from the primate have been preserved at the Coriell Institute for Medical Research in Camden, N.J.
The consortium found that the chimp and human genomes are very similar and encode very similar proteins. The DNA sequence that can be directly compared between the two genomes is almost 99 percent identical. When DNA insertions and deletions are taken into account, humans and chimps still share 96 percent of their sequence. At the protein level, 29 percent of genes code for the same amino sequences in chimps and humans. In fact, the typical human protein has accumulated just one unique change since chimps and humans diverged from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago.
To put this into perspective, the number of genetic differences between humans and chimps is approximately 60 times less than that seen between human and mouse and about 10 times less than between the mouse and rat. On the other hand, the number of genetic differences between a human and a chimp is about 10 times more than between any two humans.
The researchers discovered that a few classes of genes are changing unusually quickly in both humans and chimpanzees compared with other mammals. These classes include genes involved in perception of sound, transmission of nerve signals, production of sperm and cellular transport of electrically charged molecules called ions. Researchers suspect the rapid evolution of these genes may have contributed to the special characteristics of primates, but further studies are needed to explore the possibilities.
The genomic analyses also showed that humans and chimps appear to have accumulated more potentially deleterious mutations in their genomes over the course of evolution than have mice, rats and other rodents. While such mutations can cause diseases that may erode a species' overall fitness, they may have also made primates more adaptable to rapid environmental changes and enabled them to achieve unique evolutionary adaptations, researchers said.
Despite the many similarities found between human and chimp genomes, the researchers emphasized that important differences exist between the two species. About 35 million DNA base pairs differ between the shared portions of the two genomes, each of which, like most mammalian genomes, contains about 3 billion base pairs. In addition, there are another 5 million sites that differ because of an insertion or deletion in one of the lineages, along with a much smaller number of chromosomal rearrangements. Most of these differences lie in what is believed to be DNA of little or no function. However, as many as 3 million of the differences may lie in crucial protein-coding genes or other functional areas of the genome.
"As the sequences of other mammals and primates emerge in the next couple of years, we will be able to determine what DNA sequence changes are specific to the human lineage. The genetic changes that distinguish humans from chimps will likely be a very small fraction of this set," said the study's lead author, Tarjei S. Mikkelsen of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard. Among the genetic changes that researchers will be looking for are those that may be related to the human-specific features of walking upright on two feet, a greatly enlarged brain and complex language skills.
Although the statistical signals are relatively weak, a few classes of genes appear to be evolving more rapidly in humans than in chimps. The single strongest outlier involves genes that code for transcription factors, which are molecules that regulate the activity of other genes and that play key roles in embryonic development.
A small number of other genes have undergone even more dramatic changes. More than 50 genes present in the human genome are missing or partially deleted from the chimp genome. The corresponding number of gene deletions in the human genome is not yet precisely known. For genes with known functions, potential implications of these changes can already be discerned.
For example, the researchers found that three key genes involved in inflammation appear to be deleted in the chimp genome, possibly explaining some of the known differences between chimps and humans in respect to immune and inflammatory response. On the other hand, humans appear to have lost the function of the caspase-12 gene, which produces an enzyme that may help protect other animals against Alzheimer's disease.
"This represents just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to exploring the genomic roots of our biological differences," said one of the study's co-authors LaDeana W. Hillier of the Genome Sequencing Center at Washington University School of Medicine. "As more is learned about other functional elements of the genome, we anticipate that other important differences outside of the protein-coding genes will emerge."
Armed with the chimp sequence, researchers also scanned the entire human genome for deviations from normal mutation patterns. Such deviations may reveal regions of "selective sweeps," which occur when a mutation arises in a population and is so advantageous that it spreads throughout the population within a few hundred generations and eventually becomes "normal."
The researchers found six regions in the human genome that have strong signatures of selective sweeps over the past 250,000 years. One region contains more than 50 genes, while another contains no known genes and lies in an area that scientists refer to as a "gene desert." Intriguingly, this gene desert may contain elements regulating the expression of a nearby protocadherin gene, which has been implicated in patterning of the nervous system. A seventh region with moderately strong signals contains the FOXP2 and CFTR genes. FOXP2 has been implicated in the acquisition of speech in humans. CFTR, which codes for a protein involved in ion transport and, if mutated, can cause the fatal disease cystic fibrosis, is thought to be the target of positive selection in European populations.
The chimp and human genome sequences, along with those of a wide range of other organisms such as mouse, honey bee, roundworm and yeast, can be accessed through the following public genome browsers: (GenBank) at NIH's National Center for Biotechnology Information (NCBI); the UCSC Genome Browser (www.genome.ucsc.edu) at the University of California at Santa Cruz; the Ensembl Genome Browser (www.ensembl.org) at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute and the EMBL-European Bioinformatics Institute; the DNA Data Bank of Japan (www.ddbj.nig.ac.jp); and EMBL-Bank (www.ebi.ac.uk/embl/index.html) at the European Molecular Biology Laboratory's Nucleotide Sequence Database.
A high resolution version of the image displayed on this page is available at: www.genome.gov/dmd.
NHGRI is one of 27 institutes and centers at the NIH, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services. The NHGRI Division of Extramural Research supports grants for research and for training and career development at sites nationwide. Additional information about NHGRI can be found at its Web site, www.genome.gov.
For more information, contact:
Geoff Spencer, NHGRI
(301) 402-0911
spencerg@mail.nih.gov

First, their research can't explain the difference in the intellectual abilities of man and apes -chimps for example.
Secondly, not every scientists old/modern believe in evolution theory.
Thirdly, similarity in chimp and human DNA and genome is not solid testable evidence that they evolved from the same ancestors.
If that is in any way true, there should be some apes today that are smart and intelligent like humans.

How are you guys able to know something that happen 6 millions years ago?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by FatherOfJesus: 11:26pm On Jun 01, 2022
cornelboy:


First, their research can't explain the difference in the intellectual abilities of man and apes -chimps for example.
Secondly, not every scientists old/modern believe in evolution theory.
Thirdly, similarity in chimp and human DNA and genome is not solid testable evidence that they evolved from the same ancestors.
If that is in any way true, there should be some apes today that are smart and intelligent like humans.

How are you guys able to know something that happen 6 millions years ago?
did you read it?
Tell me the truth. God hate liars
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:19am On Jun 02, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
did you read it?
Tell me the truth. God hate liars

God hate what? cheesy

Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 5:51am On Jun 02, 2022
cornelboy:


I checked all the sites including sciencefocus.com , there are still a lot of inconsistencies.

If humans brain to body ratio is 1:50, what are the brain to body ratio of other apes. I didn't see it on the net.
I don't think the brain to body ratio of apes should exceed 1:60-1:80. It can't still explain the reason why there's huge gap between humans intellectual abilities and those of apes.


Love your fairy tales. They are ridiculous tbh.


How you guys were able to know what happened millions of years ago is what I'm still wondering about


It would remain a theory. It can't be proved as facts.

There are how many continents in the world today, 6 or 7?

You have checked sites including sciencefocus.com and you found inconveniences shocked. You an absolute ignoramus when it comes to science. Books that leading scientists penned down after decades of research and you that had only read the bible and never opened a book on biology or physics in your life found inconsistencies? That's what they call arrogance in ignorance.

Yes. There are 7 continents. I forgot to separate south and north America. My 10 old corrected me. That still doesn't make you less ignorant on science.

The irony is you accept the current scientific classification on continents but "found inconsistencies " in all others including physics and biology. How many continents did your only scientific manual suggest?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 5:55am On Jun 02, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
did you read it?
Tell me the truth. God hate liars

I don't even think he lied deliberately. I think he is unable to grasp complex subjects. His mind could simply could not grasp simple scientific matters.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:02am On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

I don't even think he lied deliberately. I think he is unable to grasp complex subjects. His mind could simply could not grasp simple scientific matters.

BRAINWASHING don overtake brainwashing! cheesy

When people choose to think straight it's then their minds could simply could not grasp simple scientific matters but when they decide to go blind to the fact that science has failed to attempt the study of how humans can cohabit peacefully on the same planet only to embrace what mankind has achieved in technology where mankind has continue to hunt themselves then they become intelligent to you guys! cheesy

Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 6:08am On Jun 02, 2022
cornelboy:


First, their research can't explain the difference in the intellectual abilities of man and apes -chimps for example.
Secondly, not every scientists old/modern believe in evolution theory.
Thirdly, similarity in chimp and human DNA and genome is not solid testable evidence that they evolved from the same ancestors.
If that is in any way true, there should be some apes today that are smart and intelligent like humans.

How are you guys able to know something that happen 6 millions years ago?
grin grin grin
See response. Why not just admit that you can't even read the quoted article before even attempting to understand the concepts being discussed.

Fatherofjesus, you wicked o. You want burst person brain? You want teach primary one person differential equations?
He can't understand anything beyond let there be light, I am the alpha and omega, male and female he created them, give your life to Jesus, etc, and such simple concepts that don't require any intellectual energy. You can dey discuss genome.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by FatherOfJesus: 6:18am On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


I don't even think he lied deliberately. I think he is unable to grasp complex subjects. His mind could simply could not grasp simple scientific matters.
I think he read the first 3 lines and then stopped.
I wish he would be back so we can discuss that article
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 6:24am On Jun 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


BRAINWASHING don overtake brainwashing! cheesy

When people choose to think straight it's then their minds could simply could not grasp simple scientific matters but when they decide to go blind to the fact that science has failed to attempt the study of how humans can cohabit peacefully on the same planet only to embrace what mankind has achieved in technology where mankind has continue to hunt themselves then they become intelligent to you guys! cheesy

Brainwashing? Which one is brainwashing between you that was conquered and forced to bow down before foreign gods or learning on how the physical world works in order to make life more meaningful.

Who told you that science has failed to attempt the study of how humans can cohabit peacefully on the same planet? Have you never heard of psychology and sociology?

What has mankind achieved with technology? I don't believe I am reading this? You want to compare the quality of life now and during the time of Jesus or Moses? Life right now is more peaceful than at anytime during the bible period.

Human had always been hunting themselves from the very beginning. Even with all the conflicts and wars going on today, this period still remains the most peaceful when compared with the past.

Religion had been the most source of war and conflict in world history.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:41am On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


Brainwashing? Which one is brainwashing between you that was conquered and forced to bow down before foreign gods or learning on how the physical world works in order to make life more meaningful.

Who told you that science has failed to attempt the study of how humans can cohabit peacefully on the same planet? Have you never heard of psychology and sociology?

What has mankind achieved with technology? I don't believe I am reading this? You want to compare the quality of life now and during the time of Jesus or Moses? Life right now is more peaceful than at anytime during the bible period.

Human had always been hunting themselves from the very beginning. Even with all the conflicts and wars going on today, this period still remains the most peaceful when compared with the past.

Religion had been the most source of war and conflict in world history.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, this is why you guys need to humbly consider true faith instead of jumping to wrong conclusions whenever you hear the word "GOD"

Well for your information religion and science has been side by side for ages so technology only continue to improve by the day through various discoveries. But when i talk about "peaceful coexistence" i meant testable proof not just claims.

Can you present any group of persons or society where sociology or psychology has successfully erased, politics, racism and military services from the hearts of adherents of such a school of thought?

The GOD of the Bible never said there has ever been a time when PEACE reigned anywhere on this planet except in the garden He prepared in the beginning but He once predicted a time when He will pour out His Holy Spirit only within those who believe (trust) Him and claimed that they will use His words to settle all their racial disparities, divert their resources into the production of food and information materials, vow never to raise weapons against anyone again neither will they learn wars anymore! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to Zephaniah 3:9

So tell me what has sociology or psychology achieved in the midst of adherents apart from the normal ways humans deal with humans which Science and technology has failed to change? undecided
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by DeepSight(m): 10:27am On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


Human had always been hunting themselves from the very beginning. Even with all the conflicts and wars going on today, this period still remains the most peaceful when compared with the past.

Not if you include the past century.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by cornelboy(f): 5:37pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

grin grin grin
See response. Why not just admit that you can't even read the quoted article before even attempting to understand the concepts being discussed.

Fatherofjesus, you wicked o. You want burst person brain? You want teach primary one person differential equations?
He can't understand anything beyond let there be light, I am the alpha and omega, male and female he created them, give your life to Jesus, etc, and such simple concepts that don't require any intellectual energy. You can dey discuss genome.
Lol.
Like say no be person write the article cheesy
I have read that on my own already.
You could just say my response to fatherofjesus are lies.

You really funny I swear. The truth is nobody in your lineage made any contribution to science. You con dé laugh person here grin

The knowledge I have in mechanical engineering you no know am. Unless you studied mechanical engineering.

I sha know that I did biology small for high school na cheesy

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by cornelboy(f): 6:16pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

How many continents did your only scientific manual suggest?
You have checked sites including sciencefocus.com and you found inconveniences shocked
Inconsistencies

. You an absolute ignoramus when it comes to science. Books that leading scientists penned down after decades of research and you that had only read the bible and never opened a book on biology or physics in your life found inconsistencies? That's what they call arrogance in ignorance.
Not every scientists believe in evolution.

Your a fool for believing that I haven't opened physics and biology in my life.
I was first in science class at secondary school.
I got first position in mathematics from JSSS1 to SSS3 mafo wink

Brain size, brain to body weight ratio don't determine how intelligent an animal is.


Yes. There are 7 continents. I forgot to separate south and north America. My 10 old corrected me. That still doesn't make you less ignorant on science.
Lol.
Just say you never knew it. The continents were already separated and named before you were born.

The irony is you accept the current scientific classification on continents but "found inconsistencies " in all others including physics and biology.
I accept because there's evidence that really the world was classified into seven continents and I see it on maps.
I accept that water boils at 100⁰c at sea level because I've tested it myself. Everyone accepts as well.
But when you start making up story about incidents that happened 6 millions years without testable evidence, I gotta ignore it.


Science has made life easy for all of us today. Thanks to all the scientists, especially those that believe in God grin

The bigbang and evolution theory didn't pass the scientific method in the image below cheesy

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by cornelboy(f): 6:19pm On Jun 02, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
did you read it?
Tell me the truth. God hate liars
Just glanced through it. Contains some fairy tales.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 6:50pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


Evolution is a very slow process and is driving by environmental factors. You can never notice evolution within one generation and even within 10 generations. As the environment change, a creature must be able to evolve to cope, else the creature will become extinct.
lol..... evironmental factor, and there're still apes, or e never reach their side? grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by FatherOfJesus: 8:04pm On Jun 02, 2022
cornelboy:

Just glanced through it. Contains some fairy tales.
tell me the fairytale in it
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 10:02pm On Jun 02, 2022
Obafavour:

lol..... evironmental factor, and there're still apes, or e never reach their side? grin

Humans are biologically classified as a member of the Hominidea (great ape) family.

Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 10:32pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


Humans are biologically classified as a member of the Hominidea (great ape) family.
The present apes, chimapazees, gorillas e.t.c evolve from what?
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 10:50pm On Jun 02, 2022
cornelboy:


Inconsistencies
Auto predictive text.



Not every scientists believe in evolution.
Then which scientist has proposed an alternative theory to the origin of species?


Your a fool for believing that I haven't opened physics and biology in my life.
I was first in science class at secondary school.
I got first position in mathematics from JSSS1 to SSS3 mafo wink
It's good you said science and secondary school. You scientific knowledge is limited to elementary general science.
Your Biology is atrocious.

Brain size, brain to body weight ratio don't determine how intelligent an animal is.
Let's see your report on what determines intelligence among different species.


Lol.
Just say you never knew it. The continents were already separated and named before you were born.
Senseless rant. I last did geography in school over 30 years ago. Besides continents

I accept because there's evidence that really the world was classified into seven continents and I see it on maps.
What do you mean there's evidence for classifying the world's landmass into seven continents? The classification is simply the most widely accepted by geographers and most geologists. Some geologists disagree and classify Europe and Asia as one continent- Eurasia. Others classify New Zealand as a separate continent.

I accept that water boils at 100⁰c at sea level because I've tested it myself. Everyone accepts as well.
But when you start making up story about incidents that happened 6 millions years without testable evidence, I gotta ignore it.

What testable evidence do you expect for an event that happen 6 million years ago? Traveling back in time to take videos?


Science has made life easy for all of us today. Thanks to all the scientists, especially those that believe in God grin

The bigbang and evolution theory didn't pass the scientific method in the image below cheesy
I have asked you for an alternative theory or even hypothesis on the origin of species and also the red shift of distant galaxies and the cosmic microwave background.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 10:52pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:


Humans are biologically classified as a member of the Hominidea (great ape) family.
Human evolve from hominidae that existed 23 million years ago, hominidae evolved from catarrhines that existed 30 million years ago, cattarhines evolved from oligocene that existed almost 40-45 millions years ago.
Now what does oligocene evolved from?
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 10:56pm On Jun 02, 2022
Obafavour:

The present apes, chimapazees, gorillas e.t.c evolve from what?
Read the link - https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/sharing-a-common-ancestor/#:~:text=Evidence%20from%20fossils%2C%20proteins%20and,to%20seven%20million%20years%20ago.

Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 11:03pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

Read the link - https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/sharing-a-common-ancestor/#:~:text=Evidence%20from%20fossils%2C%20proteins%20and,to%20seven%20million%20years%20ago.
So we still have those apes, gorillas, chimpazees, baboons that looks like their ancestors while we have evolved to become humans because of what?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by wirinet(m): 11:10pm On Jun 02, 2022
Obafavour:

Human evolve from hominidae that existed 23 million years ago, hominidae evolved from catarrhines that existed 30 million years ago, cattarhines evolved from oligocene that existed almost 40-45 millions years ago.
Now what does oligocene evolved from?

You can go back on and on until I or scientists say "I don't know". You can then employ the God of the Gaps

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:38pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

You can go back on and on until I or scientists say "I don't know". You can then employ the God of the Gaps

God doesn't just fill an empty gap rather the wisdom for man to cohabit peacefully is God's possession, that's why you ran away when i asked you to present any group or society where sociology or psychology has helped to erase racism, politics and military services from their hearts! grin

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by cornelboy(f): 11:55pm On Jun 02, 2022
wirinet:

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What testable evidence do you expect for an event that happen 6 million years ago? Traveling back in time to take videos?
If traveling back is possible with science, why not travel back? Ain't you desperate for the evidence and not some cooked up stories?
Then which scientist has proposed an alternative theory to the origin of species?
Did/do every scientists accept the theory?
Did/do some believe in God?
Let's see your report on what determines intelligence among different species.

At sciencefocus.com site, they put the brain to body weight ratio of humans, 1:50 but failed to include those of chimps, gorillas, monkeys etc why? I didn't see it elsewhere online and I don't think I can gather those data myself.
What I'm pretty sure is that, brain to weight ratio couldn't be responsible for intellectual abilities of animals. It's uncertain.

It's good you said science and secondary school. You scientific knowledge is limited to elementary general science.
Your Biology is atrocious.
Well studied mech eng at school.

Senseless rant. I last did geography in school over 30 years ago. Besides continents
What do you mean there's evidence for classifying the world's landmass into seven continents? The classification is simply the most widely accepted by geographers and most geologists. Some geologists disagree and classify Europe and Asia as one continent- Eurasia. Others classify New Zealand as a separate continent.
Why didn't they agree on simple classification? If they like they should classify it into 150, it doesn't change the world landmass.

I have asked you for an alternative theory or even hypothesis on the origin of species and also the red shift of distant galaxies and the cosmic microwave background
You don't need to make assumptions on what is beyond you. It happened 6 millions years ago. Evolution can't even be noticed in 10 generations but ona dé cook up fairy tales.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 7:48am On Jun 03, 2022
wirinet:


You can go back on and on until I or scientists say "I don't know". You can then employ the God of the Gaps

undecided
You should be able to know if you truly understand and believe in evolution, proves from irrationational brain and guesses.
I just watch and laugh at scientists like you who doesn't acknowledge God whenever you want to prove things that had been created and programed by God.
It takes more faith to believe in science than in God.
Neutrons, electrons and protons just came into existence and result into big bang, funny.
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by Obafavour(m): 7:53am On Jun 03, 2022
wirinet:


You can go back on and on until I or scientists say "I don't know". You can then employ the God of the Gaps

You've not answered my other question.
Chimpazees, monkeys, baboons, ape and human share same ancestors, but we evolve to become humans but they evolve to still look like their ancestor why?
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:45am On Jun 03, 2022
Obafavour:

You've not answered my other question.
Chimpazees, monkeys, baboons, ape and human share same ancestors, but we evolve to become humans but they evolve to still look like their ancestor why?

That's how they want everyone to leave the gap open so once you disagree they start complaining about indoctrination or brainwashing whereas there's no way a sane human can live without asking for the origin of life because that's what should determine
© where do we come from?
© why we are here?
© what are we doing here?
© And where do we go from here? wink

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Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by 2dominate: 8:50am On Jun 03, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
I don't know, do you know?

I'm going to be sincere in my response, I won't argue from ignorance. I am not going to inert God because I don't know how it works. I will wait until we find out, that's what every sane and honest person should always do.
You will wait until you find out ?
If you are waiting how are you finding out ?
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by FatherOfJesus: 9:00am On Jun 03, 2022
2dominate:

You will wait until you find out ?
If you are waiting how are you finding out ?
even if u don't find out, it doesn't mean that I should makeup jargons to fill the gap
Re: Why Do Atheists Make Fun Of Religion? by 2dominate: 9:14am On Jun 03, 2022
FatherOfJesus:
even if u don't find out, it doesn't mean that I should makeup jargons to fill the gap
Not jargons but a sincere effort to find out.

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