Image123:


And why on earth or heaven should they be spending N100bn on the needy? How much are you spending on the needy that you want them/others to spend N100bn on the needy?
They spend on the needy and they also spend on church buildings. Since you are not happy despite not putting N1 there, that's why it is taken that you want them to spend ALL on the needy.
If indeed you don't expect/want them to spend all on the needy, how much is sufficient for you, any figure?

LordReed:


I dunno why you are arguing with me, you should go argue with Jesus. LoLz.

Image123:


Why?

Image123:


And why on earth or heaven should they be spending N100bn on the needy?

LordReed:


It was Jesus that written as saying that you should give your all to the needy so go argue with him, since you think he is alive somewhere.

kingxsamz:


Yeah, there are definitely pastors who are deluded and think these beliefs are real,

Image123:


He said that to me? i never saw it,He said He didn't.

LordReed:


Well I guess the Bible is wrong then. LoLz.

Image123:


Where in the Bible did He say that to me?

LordReed:


If you want to be that way, where in the Bible does anyone specifically speak to you or ask you specifically to do anything?

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Be like how? The Bible is clear about God's Word to all men, God's Word to His children, and God's Word to individuals. There are things to learn from every situation but it is very important to RIGHTLY divide the Word of God as against twisting and misunderstanding scriptures.

1. Joh 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This is a clear condition for all men including me.

2. Mat 5:6 KJV Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Another very direct and clear scriptures for me.

3. Mar 9:23 KJV Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Another very clear place that God is speaking to me.

Do you need more? It is very clear also when God is speaking specifically to an individual and saying "Go to Joppa" or "Go to a city and loose a donkey".
Again, i ask you where did Jesus say what you said to me. i plead that you get to the point and avoid rigmarole.

LordReed:


Great! Here's one for you to add to that then:


Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.



22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

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Totally different and very direct/specific to the man.

Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

This particular man wanted to do something(works) to get eternal life, Jesus Christ simply showed him how impossible it is. He doesn't say every man or whosoever shall sell all.

See the difference in the disciples, they didn't sell all and give to the poor. The all was clearly stated. house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands. They LEFT, that is, it wasn't their priority. i believe that you know that the same Peter had a house, wife, and in law. Peter didn't SELL his brethren or children to give to the poor, he LEFT them. Very different. Learn and understand.

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See the difference in the disciples, they didn't sell all and give to the poor. The all was clearly stated. house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands. They LEFT, that is, it wasn't their priority. i believe that you know that the same Peter had a house, wife, and in law. Peter didn't SELL his brethren or children to give to the poor, he LEFT them. Very different. Learn and understand.

LordReed:


Are you saying Jesus didn't really want him to sell his things, he was just testing him?

Also if you are single and fully own a house how do you just leave the house, are you saying Jesus means you should just abandon it unused?

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i'm saying Jesus Christ knew that particular man could not do it(sell all). No one can obtain eternal life by DOINGs/works. For another person, Jesus Christ may say something else, like no anger, or no immorality, or no pilfering etc. Everyone has different weaknesses or besetting sins. Jesus Christ wasn't asking everyone for all time to sell all, He was addressing that particular man.

In marriage, a Christian leaves father and mother to cleave to the spouse. Leaving them doesn't mean abandoning or disowning or selling them. It means your marriage takes a higher spot than them. That's how you leave all, you prefer and hold on to God/Jesus above all.

LordReed:


How do you know what Jesus knew about the man when instead it is clearly written that Jesus loved the man?

I didn't ask you about married I asked about a single person. Question again: Also if you are single and fully own a house how do you just leave the house, are you saying Jesus means you should just abandon it unused?

judedwriter:
In all honesty, in my own opinion, I think this project is needless.

Why not use the money to conduct soul winning crusades globally? This time is super ripe for soul winning as the rapture is so so close.

But anyway, bishop oyedepo is a prophet. If God told him clearly to build the largest auditorium in the world, I have no beef with it.

faithsurvey:
Only one God created the stars, the Suns, the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune; dwarf planets such as Pluto; dozens of moons; and millions of asteroids, comets, and meteoroids. Beyond our own solar system, they have discovered thousands of planetary systems orbiting other stars in the Milky Way.

Jesus was sent only to our own earth. Who was overlooking the affairs of other worlds when Jesus was on the earth.?. The answer is: none other than the One true God. So He alone is the true God, and the only One to be worshipped. He is the God of Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Jacob, Joseph, and thousands of other prophets of God as well as all human beings and all things.

So building a ten trillion Naira building means nothing. What only matter is to worship the One true God, the creator of all things, inside such building.

RepoMan007:
Image123 and LordReed, I think both of you are missing the point in Mark 10.
Verse 21 stresses the effect of giving to the needy, which is to have heavenly treasures.

Verse 23 - 24 clearly reveals the trust the young man was having in his riches instead of being a blessing to the needy was his fault.

Lastly, the decision to sell and give to a needy person or true charitable cause is a personal one that's conceived on a by one on one or personal basis. I doubt all the pastors involves in making the decision to give that money to the needy can easily agree on it and on which needy to give to. Church contribution is a sort of public money but personal money is what genuinely come from the heart of a giver and thus translate to heavenly treasures. Even when Jesus was replying Judas, He personalized the reply to Judas because all the twelve contributing before giving would have made less sense than each one making the decision on their own.

RepoMan007:
Image123 and LordReed, I think both of you are missing the point in Mark 10.
Verse 21 stresses the effect of giving to the needy, which is to have heavenly treasures.

Verse 23 - 24 clearly reveals the trust the young man was having in his riches instead of being a blessing to the needy was his fault.

Lastly, the decision to sell and give to a needy person or true charitable cause is a personal one that's conceived on a by one on one or personal basis. I doubt all the pastors involves in making the decision to give that money to the needy can easily agree on it and on which needy to give to. Church contribution is a sort of public money but personal money is what genuinely come from the heart of a giver and thus translate to heavenly treasures. Even when Jesus was replying Judas, He personalized the reply to Judas because all the twelve contributing before giving would have made less sense than each one making the decision on their own.

LordReed:


Sure maybe I am missing the point but still spending N100bn on an auditorium when you believe Jesus is coming soon seems like a pretty gigantic stretch. Especially when you realise that the early Christians gave their things up because they too were expecting Jesus to be coming soon.

LordReed:


Sure maybe I am missing the point but still spending N100bn on an auditorium when you believe Jesus is coming soon seems like a pretty gigantic stretch. Especially when you realise that the early Christians gave their things up because they too were expecting Jesus to be coming soon.

RepoMan007:
That Jesus is coming soon is no excuse to permit spiritual sabbatical. When Jesus asked Peter to feed His sheeps, there was no condition attached to it as to whether the feeding should stop before Jesus comes.

LordReed:


So why didn't Peter build any auditoriums to feed the sheep in?

MufasaLion:
These clerics are all businessmen. They always find ways to generate more income and enrich their pockets.

Image123:


You are missing the point. If Jesus comes today, does your Bible not tell you that He is to reign on earth for 1000years? How then is 100bn for Him and His Body a gigantic stretch especially if it is not pinching you and nobody is complaining?
Did they tell you that you cannot give up things for others and still build for 100bn? It's called budgetting.
BTW, the Bible does not say that early christians gave things up BECAUSE Jesus was coming soon, that is one gigantic stretch over there.