PoliteActivist:


Ignorance. See below

Turd.

AntiChristian:


Bring your proof he said he could forgive sins by himself?

He said he can of himself do nothing!
If we judge Jesus by what the Israelites of his time says then he surely deserved to be crucified.

And your claim words are passed orally and finally written down decades after. Who passed the information to who? Are the information carriers trustworthy? How was the information preserved not to have been altered for decades?

Bro you miss the point. Here it is: you cannot isplate individual words and sentences. You have to take the Bible as a whole. Thousands of years b4 Lord Jesus was born, it was prophesied that God would come to dwell amongst us men. Just b4 he was born a great prophet was sent just to prepare his way, and there were all sorts of other signs. Then he himself said he was the one - without money, power, influence, connections. Yet thousands of years later, sure enough, here we are parsing his words!
Not only did he forgive sins, see below what he told the apostles

AntiChristian:
These are what many Christians believe that the Old testament people don't believe! You just have be illogical and insane to believe it.

Old Covenant Law of Moses was, again, meant as a Constitution for a Nation in this world consisting of the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan. What you call Judaism is a religion built on top of a Nation's Constitution... a religion born of a false idea of patriotism.

Followers of Jesus Christ on the other hand do not believe in the Constitution of the Nation of Israel, a Constitution given only to those who are of the blood of Jacob and who inhabit the Land of Canaan. Instead, Christians(not the religion, but those who are followers of Jesus Christ) inhabit the Kingdom of God and are ruled over by God's New Covenant Law and Gospel, the one you know as Jesus Christ. So, continuously demanding Christians believe what the Old Covenant folks believe is an admission of a lack of understanding of what is clearly documented in scripture for all who possess basic levels of comprehension to read and realize.

AntiChristian:
1. Matthew 11:11 Jesus allegedly said when he heard of John's death "Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist"
Now Jesus was born of a woman too. Isn't John greater than him? John spoke humbly of Jesus and Jesus too reciprocated!

2. Jesus only said the sin was forgiven! He was never the one who forgave the sin! And if you think he could forgive sin without dying/shedding blood then his dying is needless!

For the umpteenth time, you need to open your eyes to all of what is written in order to realize what is being said abeg!

11 “The truth is that John the Baptizer is greater than anyone who has ever come into this world. But even the least important person in God’s kingdom is greater than John. - Matthew 11 vs 11

The statement says that John the Baptist is the greatest among all those who were born of a woman or into this world. Nevertheless, even greater than John is all those who are of the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God so not only is He far greater than John the Baptist, but also the greatest in the Kingdom of God.

2. As concerns forgiveness of sins, Jesus Christ did say that everything He did was in obedience to the will of His Father in Heaven, right? So, when Jesus said He had the power to forgive sins here on earth, He meant He had power from God to forgive sins here on earth, just as the Pharisees were able to corroborate in that there text.

1 Jesus got into a boat and went back across the lake to his own town.
2 Some people brought to him a man who was paralyzed and was lying on a mat. Jesus saw that these people had much faith. So he said to the paralyzed man, “Young man, you will be glad to hear this. Your sins are forgiven.”
3 Some of the teachers of the law heard what Jesus said. They said to themselves, “What an insult to God for this man to say that!”
4 Jesus knew what they were thinking. So he said, “Why are you thinking such evil thoughts?
5-6 The Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins. But how can I prove this to you? Maybe you are thinking it was easy for me to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven.’ There’s no proof that it really happened. But what if I say to the man, ‘Stand up and walk’? Then you will be able to see that I really have this power.” So Jesus said to the paralyzed man, “Stand up. Take your mat and go home.”
7 The man stood up and went home.
8 The people saw this and they were amazed. They praised God for letting someone have such power. - Matthew 9 vs 1 - 8

This is corroborated in the account recorded in Mark 2 vs 5 - 10 & Luke 5 vs 20 - 24

PoliteActivist:
He obviously was not including himself. Obviously.
People who were there and heard him asked who was this with power to forgive sins. But here you are, thousands of years and many translations later, splitting hairs, parsing your sins are forgiven!

You need to go back through what is written in scripture, making sure to read it as is written so you can adequately understand it abeg!

AntiChristian:
Did he say "i forgive you your sins" or something like that? "Your sins are forgiven" does not logically translate to "i forgive you your sins"!

Well, when one who has the power to forgive sins says "Your sins are forgiven" it does indeed mean same as "I forgive you your sins" - Matthew 9 vs 1 - 8 & Mark 2 vs 5 - 10 & Luke 5 vs 20 - 24

AntiChristian:
Why can't most Christians answer questions logically?
Anyways it doesn't matter what people say! If we were ti believe what they say about Jesus then why not believe what they are saying now about him in Israel?

What did Jesus himself say?

Indeed it doesn't matter what people say. What is Law is instead that declared by Jesus Christ Himself, and He did state that He has the power to forgive sins here on earth. Matthew 9 vs 1 - 8 & Mark 2 vs 5 - 10 & Luke 5 vs 20 - 24

PoliteActivist:
Funny guy. You are the one not being logical. How does a person talk? Does he say five words and nothing else?? Words that were passed down orally and finally written down decades after they were said, then went through several translations. PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE and heard other countless words he must have said asked who is this person that can forgive sins. These are the people you are arguing with!!!

Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that comes out of the Mouth of God. Matthew 4 vs 4

That was said to help you properly understand that you are not called to do as people do, nor are you called to believe what people say. You are to only bow in submission and obedience to that decreed by God Himself, in His Law to you, Jesus Christ.

AntiChristian:
Bring your proof he said he could forgive sins by himself? He said he can of himself do nothing! If we judge Jesus by what the Israelites of his time says then he surely deserved to be crucified.

And your claim words are passed orally and finally written down decades after. Who passed the information to who? Are the information carriers trustworthy? How was the information preserved not to have been altered for decades?

The thing about is that Jesus Christ did in fact proclaim that He had the power to forgive sin on earth, and the Israelites you mention were witnesses to this power to forgive sins. - Matthew 9 vs 1 - 8 & Mark 2 vs 5 - 10 & Luke 5 vs 20 - 24

Kobojunkie:
Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that comes out of the Mouth of God. Matthew 4 vs 4

That was said to help you properly understand that you are not called to do as people do, nor are you called to believe what people say. You are to only bow in submission and obedience to that decreed by God Himself, in His Law to you, Jesus Christ.

Another funny guy. Here he is qoting what people said and at same time saying you are not to be believe what people said. My man the only way to know approximately what Lord Jesus actually said is by reaction of people who were there when he said it. What you believe are Chrit's verbatim words ARE NOT.
They are words told and retold then finally written down decades after they were said, then translated and retranslated. How many times has someone told you about an encounter and was able to tell you exactly what the person said without paraphrasing it in their own words?? Then on retelling it you yourself was able to quote those same exact words. Real life simply doesn't work tgat way!

PoliteActivist:
1. Another funny guy. Here he is qoting what people said and at same time saying you are not to be believe what people said. My man the only way to know approximately what Lord Jesus actually said is by reaction of people who were there when he said it. What you believe are Chrit's verbatim words ARE NOT.

2. They are words told and retold then finally written down decades after they were said, then translated and retranslated. How many times has someone told you about an encounter and was able to tell you exactly what the person said without paraphrasing it in their own words?? Then on retelling it you yourself was able to quote those same exact words. Real life simply doesn't work tgat way!

1. Again you go assuming your confusion there is somehow mine. What I quote are Words that I believe are Jesus Christ's. You may not believe that but I do. And so, when Jesus Christ is written to have made the claim in Matthew 4 vs 4, those are the Words of God Himself. Now, according to Jesus Christ, man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word out of the Mouth of God meaning you are not to bother with what are the opinions of men but instead the Word of God Himself.

2. If you cannot trust your own God enough to ensure His Word is eternal as He claims, then what are you doing pretending to believe in Him, and in Jesus Christ, God's Word, and Eternal Truth? Part of why I believe is because as He said in Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17, His Word is eternal. It is over 2000 years old yet it remains the same, even as times and opinions of men have changed numerously in that same period.

Kobojunkie:
Old Covenant Law of Moses was, again, meant as a Constitution for a Nation in this world consisting of the people of Israel in the Land of Canaan. What you call Judaism is a religion built on top of a Nation's Constitution... a religion born of a false idea of patriotism.

Followers of Jesus Christ on the other hand do not believe in the Constitution of the Nation of Israel, a Constitution given only to those who are of the blood of Jacob and who inhabit the Land of Canaan. Instead, Christians(not the religion, but those who are followers of Jesus Christ) inhabit the Kingdom of God and are ruled over by God's New Covenant Law and Gospel, the one you know as Jesus Christ. So, continuously demanding Christians believe what the Old Covenant folks believe is an admission of a lack of understanding of what is clearly documented in scripture for all who possess basic levels of comprehension to read and realize.

This guy you keep smugly spouting these things that were put in your head and they are actually not biblical. Christ was/is a PERSON not some law. Christianity is not about laws and rituals it is about confessing a Person and belonging to him.
And please explain the following words of Lord Jesus in context of what you've been spouting:

PoliteActivist:
1. This guy you keep smugly spouting these things that were put in your head and they are actually not biblical. Christ was/is a PERSON not some law. Christianity is not about laws and rituals it is about confessing a Person and belonging to him.
2. And please explain the following words of Lord Jesus in context of what you've been spouting:

1. Again, Jesus Christ told you that He is the agreement/New Covenant Law between God and individuals which was ratified when His blood was shed on the cross - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 & Mark 14 vs 22 - 25. He clearly informed you over and over that the only way to be saved, to obtain His promise and eventually Heaven is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments which comprise God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God - John 8 vs 31 - 35 & John 14 vs 15 - 20. He said His friends are those who do as He commands, and only those who continue in submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments until the end will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. The Gospel, God's Truth is in fact God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and as God, Himself made it clear to you, only those who love Jesus Christ - those who Obey Him - can and will experience God's Love in Jesus Christ - John 15 vs 10-11. So, if you are not even clear on who it is you serve, you should start asking yourself what it is you have been serving all this while cause God can never lower His standard, not for any man or group.

2. Just as you told the other guy, the Gospel is all or Nothing. So you also can't pick a part of it and then pretend that is all there is to it.

As Jesus Christ explained there, He was sent to only the lost sheep of Israel aka the sinners of God's Old Covenant Law, and those are the ones whose sins He came to die for in order to redeem them from the debt they owed God's Old Covenant, so they could instead start anew in God's New Covenant in the Kingdom of God. And so, His mission while alive was to pay that debt and also deliver God's New agreement to them. That mission ended when He declared on the cross that it was finished, after which He took His last breath. But when Jesus Christ arose, He then sent the same ones He had taught the New agreement/Law, out into the world to teach the same Law to all those who will believe - Mark 16 vs 18 - 19

3. As for that stated in Micah, and also in[b] Luke 12 vs 40 -53 [/b]as well as Matthew 10 vs 34 - 39, Jesus Christ is prophesied as the one to bring enmity between family members. This is so since in order to become a follower of Jesus Christ, one is required to abandon even family members - mother, father, children, brothers, sisters, wife, husband, friends, etc., in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ. According to Jesus Christ, only those who deny themselves - abandon it all in order to obtain Heaven - will gain treasure the treasure that is Heaven at the end of the day.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again you go assuming your confusion there is somehow mine. What I quote are Words that I believe are Jesus Christ's. You may not believe that but I do. And so, when Jesus Christ is written to have made the claim in Matthew 4 vs 4, those are the Words of God Himself. Now, according to Jesus Christ, man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word out of the Mouth of God meaning you are not to bother with what are the opinions of men but instead the Word of God Himself.

2. If you cannot trust your own God enough to ensure His Word is eternal as He claims, then what are you doing pretending to believe in Him, and in Jesus Christ, God's Word, and Eternal Truth? Part of why I believe is because as He said in Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17, His Word is eternal. It is over 2000 years old yet it remains the same, even as times and opinions of men have changed numerously in that same period.

1. You were the one spouting about being logical, and here you are being totally illogical. Does your believing the sky is red make it so?? The sky will stay blue regardless of what you believe

2. It is like saying you trust God not to allow the name to be changed by man and therefore you BELIEVE Jesus was Christ's real name. Does that change the fact that Jesus is a name made up by man and that Christ was never called such

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Jesus Christ told you that He is the agreement/New Covenant Law between God and individuals which was ratified when His blood was shed on the cross - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 & Mark 14 vs 22 - 25. He clearly informed you over and over that the only way to be saved, to obtain His promise and eventually Heaven is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments which comprise God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God - John 8 vs 31 - 35 & John 14 vs 15 - 20. He said His friends are those who do as He commands, and only those who continue in submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments until the end will be saved - Matthew 24 vs 12 - 13 & Mark 13 vs 13. The Gospel, God's Truth is in fact God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, and as God, Himself made it clear to you, only those who love Jesus Christ - those who Obey Him - can and will experience God's Love in Jesus Christ - John 15 vs 10-11. So, if you are not even clear on who it is you serve, you should start asking yourself what it is you have been serving all this while cause God can never lower His standard, not for any man or group.

2. Just as you told the other guy, the Gospel is all or Nothing. So you also can't pick a part of it and then pretend that is all there is to it.

As Jesus Christ explained there, He was sent to only the lost sheep of Israel aka the sinners of God's Old Covenant Law, and those are the ones whose sins He came to die for in order to redeem them from the debt they owed God's Old Covenant, so they could instead start anew in God's New Covenant in the Kingdom of God. And so, His mission while alive was to pay that debt and also deliver God's New agreement to them. That mission ended when He declared on the cross that it was finished, after which He took His last breath. But when Jesus Christ arose, He then sent the same ones He had taught the New agreement/Law, out into the world to teach the same Law to all those who will believe - Mark 16 vs 18 - 19

3. As for that stated in Micah, and also in[b] Luke 12 vs 40 -53 [/b]as well as Matthew 10 vs 34 - 39, Jesus Christ is prophesied as the one to bring enmity between family members. This is so since in order to become a follower of Jesus Christ, one is required to abandon even family members - mother, father, children, brothers, sisters, wife, husband, friends, etc., in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ. According to Jesus Christ, only those who deny themselves - abandon it all in order to obtain Heaven - will gain treasure the treasure that is Heaven at the end of the day.

There you go again. Below is where you quoted. Tell us which of these signs you've exhibited. He also said BELIEVETH AND BAPTISED but you manufacture your own words

PoliteActivist:
1. You were the one spouting about being logical, and here you are being totally illogical. Does your believing the sky is red make it so?? The sky will stay blue regardless of what you believe

2. It is like saying you trust God not to allow the name to be changed by man and therefore you BELIEVE Jesus was Christ's real name. Does that change the fact that Jesus is a name made up by man and that Christ was never called such

1. I see someone doesn't understand what logic is about.

log·ic
1. reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity.
2. a system or set of principles underlying the arrangements of elements in a computer or electronic device so as to perform a specified task.

For a follower of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, the Gospel or God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God is the strict principles of validity, axioms, upon which the belief is founded. What this means is that Jesus Christ is the Truth upon which the foundation of what is considered logical in the life of a Christian is built on.

Please take time to process the meaning of the above before you proceed.

2. Your analogy there makes little to no sense.

Jesus Christ, God's Truth, set forth Word proclaiming His Word, God's Law will never change or be altered even after Heaven and earth have passed away - Matthew 5 vs 15 -19. Trusting God, in this case, would mean you accept that the set of principles set forth by Jesus Christ is valid for eternity and sufficiently serve as the strict principles of validity upon which your very life is to be lived in all situations.

PoliteActivist:
There you go again. Below is where you quoted. ..... He also said BELIEVETH AND BAPTISED but you manufacture your own words

What do you accuse me now of manufacturing? Did I manufacture what Jesus Christ also proclaimed in Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 and Mark 13 vs 13?

Did I manufacture what is written in John 14 vs 15 - 20?

Are you accusing me of manufacturing what Jesus Christ Himself said in John 15 vs 7 - 14 as well?

Am I responsible for that spoken by Jesus Christ in Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29?

Was it my voice that thundered from Heaven commanding that His followers Obey Jesus Christ on the night of transfiguration?

Kobojunkie:
1. I see someone doesn't understand what logic is about.
For a follower of Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, the Gospel or God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God is the strict principles of validity, axioms, upon which the belief is founded. What this means is that Jesus Christ is the Truth upon which the foundation of what is that which is considered logical in the life of a Christian.

Please take time to process the meaning of the above before you proceed.

2. Your analogy there makes little to no sense at all.

Jesus Christ, God's Truth, set forth a Truth proclaiming His Word will never change or be altered even after Heaven and earth have passed away - Matthew 5 vs 15 -17. Trusting God, in this case, would mean you accept that the set of principles set forth by Jesus Christ is valid for eternity and sufficiently serve as the strict principles of validity upon which your very life is to be lived in all situations.

1) You don't have to consult a dictionary to know that someone saying something is so because he BELIEVES it is so is being illogical. Logical is him spelling out to us WHY it is so

2) The analogy makes all the sense. The very name you are using to refer to a Person was made up. Yet there you were, saying all the words are verbatim words spoken because God cannot allow them to be changed!

PoliteActivist:
1) You don't have to consult a dictionary to know that someone saying something is so because he BELIEVES it is so is being illogical. Logical is him spelling out to us WHY it is so

2) The analogy makes all the sense. The very name you are using to refer to a Person was made upset there you were, saying all the words are verbatim words spoken because God cannot allow them to be changed

1. You are not making sense still!

“A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom. - Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19

The dictionary already explains to you what logic is about. You refusing to accept what the dictionary tells you simply means you rather cling to your confusion than abide by the set rules. That only reveals you would rather exist in an illogical state than accept that which is logically presented to you, even by God Himself.

2. Think! Think!! Think!!!

For one, Jesus Christ never gave His followers regarding pronunciation or spelling of His name or even language it has to be said in, so I am not sure why you are trying to create a law where there is none.... an act which constitutes a sin against God by the way since it is against God to add commandments to, change, or remove commandments from His Law.

Kobojunkie:
What do you accuse me now of manufacturing? Did I manufacture what Jesus Christ also proclaimed in Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 and Mark 13 vs 13?

Did I manufacture what is written in John 14 vs 15 - 20?

Are you accusing me of manufacturing what Jesus Christ Himself said in John 15 vs 7 - 14 as well?

Am I responsible for that spoken by Jesus Christ in Matthew 7 vs 24 - 29?

Was it my voice that thundered from Heaven commanding that His followers Obey Jesus Christ on the night of transfiguration?

Didnt you manufacture all those words?? All over the new testament up to Christ"s words with the thief on his right on crucifixion, Christ mafe it clear BELIEF was what saved you

PoliteActivist:
Didnt you manufacture all those words?? All over the new testament up to Christ"s words with the thief on his right on crucifixion, Christ mafe it clear BELIEF was what saved you

PoliteActivist:
Bro you miss the point. Here it is: you cannot isplate individual words and sentences. You have to take the Bible as a whole.

If you are not even able to take all of what Jesus Christ, the one you claim is your savior, said to you, how can you claim or pretend you take in all the words in the Bible as a whole?

If what you claim as your belief does not include all that was taught to you by Jesus Christ, then what you have isn't Jesus Christ but an image, an idea/idol.

Kobojunkie:
1. You are not making sense still!

The dictionary already explains to you what logic is about. You refusing to accept what the dictionary tells you simply means you rather cling to your confusion than abide by the set rules. That only reveals you would rather exist in an illogical state than accept that which is logically presented to you, even by God Himself.

2. Think! Think!! Think!!!

For one, Jesus Christ never gave His followers regarding pronunciation or spelling of His name or even language it has to be said in, so I am not sure why you are trying to create a law where there is none.... an act which constitutes a sin against God by the way since it is against God to add commandments to, change, or remove commandments from His Law.

1) Here's what I wrote:
The analogy makes all the sense. The very name you are using to refer to a Person was made up. Yet there you were, saying all the words are verbatim words spoken because God cannot allow them to be changed!

2) You ought take your own advice and THINK!! Instead you mindlessly keep repeating what was put on your head. Use some common sense! The very name a Person was called was changed to a made-up name he was never called. Yet there you were, saying all words were exactly as spoken because God couldn't allow them be changed!

PoliteActivist:
1) Here's what I wrote:
The analogy makes all the sense. The very name you are using to refer to a Person was made up. Yet there you were, saying all the words are verbatim words spoken because God cannot allow them to be changed!

2) You ought take your own advice and THINK!! Instead you mindlessly keep repeating what was put on your head. Use some common sense! The very name a Person was called was changed to a made-up name he was never called. Yet there you were, saying all words were exactly as spoken because God couldn't allow them be changed!

1. Again, Jesus Christ gave you no laws regarding the spelling, pronunciation, or specific translation of His name, and so it matters not what form His name takes. You can call Him Jesu, Ioesus, Messiah, Immanuel, Yashua, Jesus, etc. it doesn't matter since He gave no laws regarding the name you call Him, so long as He is the one you call. So long as your intention is to invoke God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God, it is He you refer to.

2. Again, think, so you can understand what it is you read before you rush to post these illogical responses abeg!

Kobojunkie:

If you are not even able to take all of what Jesus Christ, the one you claim is your savior, said to you, how can you claim or pretend you take in all the words in the Bible as a whole?

If what you claim as your belief does not include all that was taught to you by Jesus Christ, then what you have isn't Jesus Christ but an image, an idea/idol.

My man you are the one parsing quotations on the claim they must be Christ's exact words because God could not allow them to be changed. I am the one saying things are to be seen in context of totality of the Bible especially people who were there, becuase individual quotation may not be exact words said!

PoliteActivist:
1. My man you are the one parsing quotations on the claim they must be Christ's exact words because God could not allow them to be changed.

2. I am the one saying things are to be seen in context of totality of the Bible especially people who were there, because individual quotation may not be exact words said!

1. So?

2. This again does not make sense of any kind.

Jesus Christ is recorded to have declared, of Himself, that He has the power to forgive sins here on earth. Please explain to us what value this context of the totality of the Bible(and people who were there) you speak of has to the claim He made. Is His proclamation changed or altered in some way by this context of the totality of the Bible you cling to?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Jesus Christ gave you no laws regarding the spelling, pronunciation, or specific translation of His name, and so it matters not what form His name takes. You can call Him Jesu, Ioesus, Messiah, Immanuel, Yashua, Jesus, etc. it doesn't matter since He gave no laws regarding the name you call Him, so long as He is the one you call. So long as your intention is to invoke God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God, it is He you refer to.

2. Again, think, so you can understand what it is you read before you rush to post these illogical responses abeg!

1) This your obsession with LAW. Pray tell, what exactly are these LAWS that Christ gave you?
So God's name is not important. Why do you call Him Jehova? Why not call him Baal?

2. You can't respond to what I wrote. QED on this one

PoliteActivist:
1) This your obsession with LAW. Pray tell, what exactly are these LAWS that Christ gave you?
So God's name us not important. Why do you call Him Jehova? Why not call him Baal?

2. You can't respond to what I wrote. QED on this one

1. Jesus Christ Himself told you that those who love Him are those who obey His Commandments(Law), implying those who refuse to obey His Law are His enemies - John 14 vs 15 - 20 and John 15 vs 14.

There are about 100 commandments given by Jesus Christ to His followers, and also teachings as well, and according to Him, His followers are to obey every letter of the law.

“A person should obey every command in the law, even one that does not seem important. Whoever refuses to obey any command and teaches others not to obey it will be the least important in God’s kingdom. But whoever obeys the law and teaches others to obey it will be great in God’s kingdom. - Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19

As for what I call God, the Father, I don't call Him Jehovah. The name He has me referring to Him with isn't Jehovah, the name associated with God's Old Covenant Law. Instead, It is a different name entirely. And no, I cant't call Him Baal because the name I call Him, He put in my own mouth to call Him by.

2. I responded to everything you wrote. Not sure, why you pretend I didn't.

Kobojunkie:
1. So?

2. This again does not make sense of any kind.

Jesus Christ is recorded to have declared, of Himself, that He has the power to forgive sins here on earth. Please explain to us what value this context of the totality of the Bible(and people who were there) you speak of has to the claim He made. Is His proclamation changed or altered in some way by this context of the totality of the Bible you cling to?

1) Confusing yourself again. You can't claim words are EXACTLY as said when they are contradicted by words said elsewhere

2) "Your sins are forgiven" does NOT mean He can forgive sins unless you consider totality of what was said. THINK!

PoliteActivist:
1) Confusing yourself again. You can't claim words are EXACTLY as said when they are contradicted by words said elsewhere

2) "Your sins are forgiven" does NOT mean He can forgive sins unless you consider totality of what was said. THINK!

1. Point out the contradictions.

2. Unless you consider the totality of what was said by Jesus Christ, or by other people in the Bible? Which is it?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ Himself told you that those who love Him are those who obey His Commandments(Law), implying those who refuse to obey His Law are His enemies - John 14 vs 15 - 20 and John 15 vs 14.

There are about 100 commandments given by Jesus Christ to His followers, and also teachings as well, and according to Him, His followers are to obey every letter of the law.
As for what I call God, the Father, I don't call Him Jehovah. The name He has me referring to Him with isn't Jehovah, the name associated with God's Old Covenant Law. Instead, It is a different name entirely. And no, I cant't call Him Baal because the name I call Him, He put in my own mouth to call Him by.

2. I responded to everything you wrote. Not sure, why you pretend I didn't.

1) Mention 20 of those laws sir that are not from OT
The quotation clearly included OT laws. Even Christ said He did not come to abolish ANY law

2) Those were exact words said because you BELIEVE those were exact words said!

Kobojunkie:
1. Point out the contradictions.

2. Unless you consider the totality of what was said by Jesus Christ, or by other people in the Bible? Which is it?

1) Those who believe and are baptised are saved, or even just those who BELIEVE (thief on the cross). Only those who follow all the commandments are saved.
Signs that one believed included eating poison and picking up poisonous snakes.
You were asked which of those signs you have exhibited, you did NOT answer!

2) EVERYTHING

PoliteActivist:
1) Mention 20 of those laws sir that are not from OT. The quotation clearly included OT laws. Even Christ said He did not come to abolish ANY law

2) Those were exact words said because you BELIEVE those were exact words said!

1. Here is a summary of sorts of some of the New Covenant Law teachings and commandments were given by Jesus Christ where prayer is concerned.

1 Ask, Seek and Knock, in order to receive, find and have the door opened to you[b]Matthew 7 vs 7[/b]
2 Pray continuously. I.e. don't stop asking, seeking, knocking until you have received, found, and had the door opened to you
Matthew 21 vs 22 & Luke 18 vs 1- 8
3 Avoid vain repetitions because God knows what you want even before you ask Him Matthew 6 vs 7 - 8
4 Always pray in secret and in hiding Matthew 6 vs 6
5 Pray the Lord's prayer-Matthew 6 vs 9- 13
6 Forgive everyone who has hurt or offended you before you pray so your father in Heaven will forgive you your sins- Matthew 11 vs 25 & Matthew 6 vs 12
7 Always approach God in Humility- Luke 18 vs 9 - 4
8 Believe that you have received what you ask for and it shall be done for you Matthew 21 vs 22 & Mark 11 vs 24
9 Ask the Father in the name of Jesus Christ John 15 vs 16
10 If you abide in Him and He, Jesus, abides in you, then He, Jesus Christ, will do whatever you ask in His name John 14 vs 13-14 & john 15 vs 7
11 Pray for your enemies - Matthew 5 vs 44 & Luke 6 vs 27- 28
12 Ask God for the Holy Spirit -Luke 11 vs 13 & Matthew 7 vs 11

The above laws/rules are, again, just those that apply as far as prayer in the Kingdom of God, and are found only as part of the Gospel, and only by following them can one be rewarded by Jesus Christ.

2. I know what I said but what is it of what I said that you seem to be having a tough time with?