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Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by wirinet(m): 9:44am On Oct 22, 2022
Elliotwaveforec:

Nigeria, as a developing country, inflation is secondary; industrialisation and development first. You know the trade-off between inflation and growth, you can't have both at the same time.

We need to print money for economic development first, then we tackle inflation. You must forego one to get the other - opportunity cost.

Printing more money will not impact economic development, it will only create more naira chasing the same dollars, as we are an import dependent economy. It will only result in run away inflation. Ask Ghana, ask Zimbabwe.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Simeonjoe1: 9:48am On Oct 22, 2022
Elliotwaveforec:

Nigeria, as a developing country, inflation is secondary; industrialisation and development first. You know the trade-off between inflation and growth, you can't have both at the same time.

We need to print money for economic development first, then we tackle inflation. You must forego one to get the other - opportunity cost.

Are this in pure economic terms?
Can you site example of countries that has model this for economic growth? How they did it? How are they faring now?
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Elliotwaveforec: 10:29am On Oct 22, 2022
Simeonjoe1:


Are this in pure economic terms?
Can you site example of countries that has model this for economic growth? How they did it? How are they faring now?


Read: America in the 70s, rapid economic growth accompanied by inflationary pressures after the policy of easy money which is called quantitative easing.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp.

You can see that after recovering from economic downturn, the federal reserve started raising interest rates to curb inflation; they raised rates to massive 20% to stabilise prices.

They enjoyed fast economic recovery, unemployment rates crashed, GDP skyrocketed and Americans were better off.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Elliotwaveforec: 10:43am On Oct 22, 2022
wirinet:


Printing more money will not impact economic development, it will only create more naira chasing the same dollars, as we are an import dependent economy. It will only result in run away inflation. Ask Ghana, ask Zimbabwe.
You print monies to boost the manufacturing sector not to pay salaries like they're doing in those countries mentioned.

Once we start producing with the money printed, importing will reduce drastically and jobs will be created.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Simeonjoe1: 10:57am On Oct 22, 2022
Elliotwaveforec:


Read: America in the 70s, rapid economic growth accompanied by inflationary pressures after the policy of easy money which is called quantitative easing.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/09/1970s-great-inflation.asp.

You can see that after recovering from economic downturn, the federal reserve started raising interest rates to curb inflation; they raised rates to massive 20% to stabilise prices.

They enjoyed fast economic recovery, unemployment rates crashed, GDP skyrocketed and Americans were better off.

After your first reply I've read further on this.
But here is the issue, growth stimulation (money printing) is a long term plan can take years as compare to accompanied inflation which is felt in very short term (days). Also the socioeconomic class of the population has to be considered. Nigeria is made of mostly poor people earning less than a dollar every year, can the poor man cope with the high level of cost suddenly acquired over a long term growth which might take years?

It's also important that stimulating economic growth should also be based on the potential growth and the real growth in the country. Stimulating growth more than the potential growth is actually another sitting time bomb for inflation. So the question is what's the potential growth of Nigeria? How much can we stimulate our growth to meet the needs? Well I believe our large population is a big advantageous factor here but the large number of poor people in them might be a cause for concern...

The United state model is apt I believe because US is already an industrialized country, they've had years of growth and well grounded economy before the melt down resulting in stimulation so in essence there's high potential growth already which is what the money is printed for.
But in Nigeria we are living in our past, we missed our industrial age, no potential industries were previously established that can be stimulated so I believe any inputs would be at establishing new industries and sectors which I believe being new its subject to economic stains, stress and volatility.

Well it would have been better we know where the stimulus would be going to? Which industries will benefit? What are their potentials, advantages and profits takes to the overall Nigeria gdp and growth?

I'm just stating my personal opinion sir but I'll like if you can discuss further on this. I'm here to learn.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by wirinet(m): 11:00am On Oct 22, 2022
Elliotwaveforec:

You print monies to boost the manufacturing sector not to pay salaries like they're doing in those countries mentioned.

Once we start producing with the money printed, importing will reduce drastically and jobs will be created.

Keyword, boost. What's there to boost when there is no manufacturing sector to start with.
You just can't start manufacturing without first putting the necessary factors to support the manufacturing. When you look at factors of production in economics 101, the first and most important thing is Land. The land use act of 1978 and antithetical to agriculture and manufacturing.

Secondly, you need to have a local and reliable source of raw materials. No use using foreign exchange to import raw materials at exorbitant rate when we have them in abundance here. We lack the equipment and manpower to mine and process raw materials for productive base. Furthermore our agricultural and processing sector is still rudimentary and cannot provide source of primary raw materials.

Thirdly capital, our interest rate regime of 20 -30% interest rate cannot start production, not to talk of boosting production. Where will entrepreneurs get the necessary capital to boost production from.

Last and not least is the state of our infrastructure- power, roads, rails, etc. How can produce with a total power output of less than 4000Mw of electricity? How can companies move raw materials to site and move finished products market given the sorry state of our roads?
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Simeonjoe1: 11:06am On Oct 22, 2022
wirinet:


Keyword, boost. What's there to boost when there is no manufacturing sector to start with.
You just can't start manufacturing without first putting the necessary factors to support the manufacturing. When you look at factors of production in economics 101, the first and most important thing is Land. The land use act of 1978 and antithetical to agriculture and manufacturing.

Secondly, you need to have a local and reliable source of raw materials. No use using foreign exchange to import raw materials at exorbitant rate when we have them in abundance here. We lack the equipment and manpower to mine and process raw materials for productive base. Furthermore our agricultural and processing sector is still rudimentary and cannot provide source of primary raw materials.

Thirdly capital, our interest rate regime of 20 -30% interest rate cannot start production, not to talk of boosting production. Where will entrepreneurs get the necessary capital to boost production from.

Last and not least is the state of our infrastructure- power, roads, rails, etc. How can produce with a total power output of less than 4000Mw of electricity? How can companies move raw materials to site and move finished products market given the sorry state of our roads?


Nice point.
Same thing I stated above..

Nigeria is living in its past
That's why I don't envy in who will win next year, it's bleak no matter how you look at it


But in Nigeria we are living in our past, we missed our industrial age, no potential industries were previously established that can be stimulated so I believe any inputs would be at establishing new industries and sectors which I believe being new its subject to economic stains, stress and volatility.

Well it would have been better we know where the stimulus would be going to? Which industries will benefit? What are their potentials, advantages and profits takes to the overall Nigeria gdp and growth?

I'm just stating my personal opinion sir but I'll like if you can discuss further on this. I'm here to learn.

Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Elliotwaveforec: 11:10am On Oct 22, 2022
Simeonjoe1:


After your first reply I've read further on this.
But here is the issue, growth stimulation (money printing) is a long term plan can take years as compare to accompanied inflation which is felt in very short term (days). Also the socioeconomic class of the population has to be considered. Nigeria is made of mostly poor people earning less than a dollar every year, can the poor man cope with the high level of cost suddenly acquired over a long term growth which might take years?

It's also important that stimulating economic growth should also be based on the potential growth and the real growth in the country. Stimulating growth more than the potential growth is actually another sitting time bomb for inflation. So the question is what's the potential growth of Nigeria? How much can we stimulate our growth to meet the needs? Well I believe our large population is a big advantageous factor here but the large number of poor people in them might be a cause for concern...

The United state model is apt I believe because US is already an industrialized country, they've had years of growth and well grounded economy before the melt down resulting in stimulation so in essence theirs high potential growth already which is what's the money is printed for.
But in Nigeria we are leaving in our past, we missed our industrial age, no potential industries where previously established that can be stimulated so I believe any inputs would be at establishing new industries and sectors which I believe being new its subject to economic stains, stress and volatility.

Well it would have been better we know where the stimulus would be going to? Which industries will benefit? What are their potentials, advantages and profits takes to the overall Nigeria gdp and growth?

I'm just stating my personal opinion sir but I'll like if you can discuss further on this. I'm here to learn.
In my opinion, the stimulation should go to the agric sector and value addition to the agricultural produce be encouraged; by so doing food inflation will be partially tackled.

Second, fuel refining should be 100% domesticated; by so doing, exchange rate will stabilise. If exchange rate stabilises, it would reduce high cost of imports and CPI goes down.

The inflation we are experiencing in Nigeria isn't too much money in circulation but exchange-rate induced one.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Simeonjoe1: 11:42am On Oct 22, 2022
Elliotwaveforec:

In my opinion, the stimulation should go to the agric sector and value addition to the agricultural produce be encouraged; by so doing food inflation will be partially tackled.

Second, fuel refining should be 100% domesticated; by so doing, exchange rate will stabilise. If exchange rate stabilises, it would reduce high cost of imports and CPI goes down.

The inflation we are experiencing in Nigeria isn't too much money in circulation but exchange-rate induced one.

Yeah I agree with stimulus for agriculture and value addition. That's a nice plus.

But Tinubu offers no plan on Fx stability instead he said he'll work with CBN (not concrete enough).
Obi on the other hand advocate for floating allowing it to yield to demand and supply forces.(
Though I'm still skeptical about this, yielding it to open forces can cause naira spiraling down, impede FDI and stunt growth. On the other hand it can also stabilize and strengthen the naira removing the sham of arbitrage which can further stimulate growth.

Economics is an very interesting concept its all based on theory. It's not 1+1=2 which is why sometime even a good prefared solution on paper has sent big economy spiraling down...
Well we just have to watch and see at same time be mindful of people who see economy in a microeconomics lens (my fears about Obi).
Or someone with outrageous policies that try
to suppress or bypass the consequences (my fears on Tinubu).

Well let's see how it goes...
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by fergie001: 1:52pm On Oct 22, 2022
beejay85:

All LGs are directly funded by the FG..
So how will states highjack funds meant for the LGs?
LGs are not directly funded by the FG. There is what we call a State LG Joint Account. For example: Kogi has 21 LGAs, the FG pays the allocation of each of the 21 LGAs to that State Joint Account kept by the Kogi Govt. The State also pays IGRs generated to this account in the hands of our Govs. You know what that means....
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by ferhyntorlah(f): 2:32pm On Oct 22, 2022
Akwamkpuruamu:
Why didn't he give Buhari all these ideas as a party man? Tinubu is only decieving urchins

What if he did give Buhari but Buhari didn't take to it?

Buhari wasn't prepared to be president. He just wanted to be president because of the prestige attached to the office.

He had absolutely nothing to offer the country.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Dcaliphate(m): 4:30pm On Oct 22, 2022
Komu1048:



Tell me what he has promise to do himself n hasn’t
'We wee give you, student loan, your 4 jyears with be 4 jyears....!!' grin grin grin
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Komu1048(m): 5:07pm On Oct 22, 2022
Dcaliphate:

'We wee give you, student loan, your 4 jyears with be 4 jyears....!!' grin grin grin


That was Buhari my friend. I said what Tinubu promised as governor n didn’t fulfill
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Elliotwaveforec: 7:18pm On Oct 22, 2022
Simeonjoe1:


Yeah I agree with stimulus for agriculture and value addition. That's a nice plus.

But Tinubu offers no plan on Fx stability instead he said he'll work with CBN (not concrete enough).
Obi on the other hand advocate for floating allowing it to yield to demand and supply forces.(
Though I'm still skeptical about this, yielding it to open forces can cause naira spiraling down, impede FDI and stunt growth. On the other hand it can also stabilize and strengthen the naira removing the sham of arbitrage which can further stimulate growth.

Economics is an very interesting concept its all based on theory. It's not 1+1=2 which is why sometime even a good prefared solution on paper has sent big economy spiraling down...
Well we just have to watch and see at same time be mindful of people who see economy in a microeconomics lens (my fears about Obi).
Or someone with outrageous policies that try
to suppress or bypass the consequences (my fears on Tinubu).

Well let's see how it goes...
Do you know that importation of refined petroleum gulps over 70% of Nigeria's foreign exchange spending? Now that Dangite wil start refining crude oil, what do you think will happen to the exchange rate? Naira strengthens and prices of other imports drop and the CPI drops too.

As Naira strengthens, government helps industrialists to import capital goods to kickstart the needed industrialisation.

Inflation problem solved and the real sector is boosted.

Modified:
Nigeria doesn't even import much if we remove refined crude oil; we've got the crude oil and we can refine it here with Dangite refinery and even export. This will stabilise our foreign reserves.
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by TOPCRUISE(m): 8:09pm On Oct 22, 2022
He will fulfill all his vows if you will vote him for second term
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by GreyLaw(m): 8:16pm On Oct 22, 2022
fergie001:
Very good move Sir but you and me know you would not do it because of the Govs we have.

Again, you have never been a proponent of LG Autonomy.

The first and most important question is, where would he get the money to share? The man is not in touch with reality!
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by fergie001: 8:41pm On Oct 22, 2022
GreyLaw:


The first and most important question is, where would he get the money to share? The man is not in touch with reality!
Hahahahahahahaha...... Someone will soon come to attack you.

Just wait!!!!
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by Temtem1984(m): 9:24pm On Oct 22, 2022
Lori iro, iro Po iro poo
Re: Manifesto: Tinubu Vows To Allocate More Funds To States, LGs by reiddecuti: 7:15am On Oct 31, 2022
Vanpascore:
But do you know it has happened before? It was changed during Jonathan regim by the governors

I know it has either under Jonathan's administration or Buhari's first tenure that the governors through their States House of Assemble rejected the amendment.

That's why I'm saying until LG's have their autonomy, we might not witness the kind of development we want in this country.

FG and States can't be in every nuke and cranny of the country to provide development.

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