Dtruthspeaker:


True!

But I would like to see if in the end, it was truly relevant. as I had foresaid that it would not be relevant. So, I watch!

Perhaps watch silently instead of discouraging those of us who would ask and seek and knock with our own hearts and souls and minds and beings.

You never know what you might learn, or not learn.

Dtruthspeaker:


Knowledge and information is one and the same on their own force but the difference occurs when a person is called to act on them. This is where their difference would start for now knowledge becomes confined to the person's acquisition of information while information would still be information even if that person does not acquire it.

We differ on this point. I can tell you something, and that is information, but you have to do something before it becomes knowledge to you.

Information is just data, like the square root of 4 is 2. It becomes knowledge when you understand how the square root of 4 is equal to 2, and when you know how to use that knowledge to work out the square root of other numbers.

And knowing the use and relevance of square roots and how to use that information and knowledge is what I would then call your wisdom, as in wise use of the knowledge you have acquired.

budaatum:


We differ on this point. I can tell you something, and that is information, but you have to do something before it becomes knowledge to you.

That is the Magic Word I told you of. The difference between personal knowledge and all information.

Which is different if you did not tell me!

Dtruthspeaker:


That is the Magic Word I told you of. The difference between personal knowledge and all information.

Which is different if you did not tell me.

DT. If I tell you something, I am simply giving you information. And the information I give you may be right or wrong information, which is why you must use your own heart and soul and mind to separate the good wheat from the bad chaff by checking diligently the information I give you.

A clear example of this is what occurred when Satan is written to have tempted Christ on the mountain. Satan gave Jesus information, but Christ repudiated it with his superior knowledge gained by his asking and knocking and seeking for understanding which he had acquired.

Christ obviously had the same information that Satan was tempting him with, but Christ hadd knowledge too, which includes understanding.

If Christ lacked knowledge, he would have fallen to Satan's ignorant information and there would have been no Messiah, but because Christ had knowledge, Satan departed from him defeated.

budaatum:

DT. If I tell you something, I am simply giving you information. And the information I give you may be right or wrong information,

Off Point! We were talking about information and knowledge and it's effect on persons. You did not mention rightness or wrongness of information.

Dtruthspeaker:


Off Point! We were talking about information and knowledge and it's effect on persons. You did not mention rightness or wrongness of information.

Dt, I did not need to mention "rightness or wrongness of information". Rightness or wrongness is part of good and evil which is the topic of the thread.

Wrong information can lead to evil, while the right information must lead to God. And what we are discussing here is the right or wrong understanding of the concerned text.

Dtruthspeaker:

We were talking about information and knowledge and it's effect on persons.

Information, by it's very nature, can either be right or wrong, and both have an effect on its receiver. That is why one must use one's heart and soul and mind and being to determine if the information is right or wrong, instead of just believing the information that one is given.

We are discussing the Bible (information), and going by our history, you claim your own understanding of the information is the right understanding, while I am claiming my understanding is the right understanding.

Patience, and the Spirit of God in either of us, would ultimately be the judge and determinant, regardless of what either of us may think or believe or say. For by our fruits shall the truth be determined and not by anyone's Lord Lord.

budaatum:

Dt, I did not need to mention "rightness or wrongness of information". Rightness or wrongness is part of good and evil which is the topic of the thread.

I know!

Just wanted the record to mark and show that we have now moved to right and wrong information

budaatum:


Information, by it's very nature, can either be right or wrong, and both have an effect on its receiver. That is why one must use one's heart and soul and mind and being to determine if the information is right or wrong, instead of just believing the information that one is given.

We already do that. Every normal person processes information.

However, such information is influenced by many factors as dictated by the receiver eg his personal goals, desires and wishes, his love or hatred for himself, his intelligence or stupidity, his carefulness or carelessness etc

And in the end rightness and wrongness depends on the good or evil which befalls him as a result of his processing of information

Dtruthspeaker:


I know!

Just wanted the record to mark and show that we have now moved to right and wrong information

We have not moved. It is part of the discussion, which may go in any direction.

Dtruthspeaker:


We already do that. Every normal person processes information.

Not every person is normal. A person who just believes the information they are given has not processed anything.

Dtruthspeaker:
However, such information is influenced by many factors as dictated by the receiver eg his personal goals, desires and wishes, his love or hatred for himself, his intelligence or stupidity, his carefulness or carelessness etc

I think you intended to write "However, such processing of information is influenced...."

Because information itself is just data, and the only thing influencing it if anything, is it's giver and it's receiver.

Dtruthspeaker:
And in the end rightness and wrongness depends on the good or evil which befalls him as a result of his processing of information

As in, by the fruits shall we tell if it is good or evil.

Disclaimer: This is an excerpt from my Leader

Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil,

First, we know how we were before fornication and after fornication

Certain fruits that is bad started development after fornication..

Sex is that knowledge of Good and Evil

I may not be good with convincing someone but I also know truth is stupid and yet simple

I am open to learning more all the same

Clearly, we have hidden knowledge in the bible...Just like we have the Almighty formula, we also have the dissectors of bible truths...For ages, many have used a 0.00000000001% knowledge to explain the bible which makes it a minute percentage of truth that when REAL truth arrives, that, who was fed with the minute percentage of truth chides themselves as the real KNOWERS.

This has humbled me to rather speak not and just allow the Holy Spirit to help me with the real truth....

Budaatum, are you that same person that spoke about Jehovah being in prison, you don't have to, if you don't want.

The hidden treasures could be HUMANS

The bad fruit too is also HUMAN

but like they say, there are those who are of the spirit - spiritual and those of the flesh earthy.., I am convinced there is a battle of supremacy but the CONQUEROR always conquers......Time and events will tell

I give my loyalty to Leader Olumba Olumba Obu who teaches US ALL LOVE for in real love would falsehood be crisp clear.....

Only the one who was presence before bible was compiled, will tell us the aim behind it, was it for good, control or for real knowledge or information, only the spirits of truth can answer this question, but, I know something, which I would illustrate, to buttress my point

Africa existed before it's name was given, but some colonialists have made us to believe that it started existing when they wrote it in book that it existed which is controlled by them in their schools...Does this make the information truth? Well, this is where intuition comes in to play....I am certain, that TRUTH about knowledge of the tree of good and evil can only be expatriated by the Creator

If He is on nairaland, I pledge my loyalty to him,her, or they, I do not limit him to Leader Olumba Olumba Obu alone because I am aware of his Omnipotent, Omnipresent Omniscient nature.....

It is RIPE




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Not every person is normal. A person who just believes the information they are given has not processed anything.


I think you intended to write "However, such processing of information is influenced...."

Because information itself is just data, and the only thing influencing it if anything, is it's giver and it's receiver.


As in, by the fruits shall we tell if it is good or evil.[/quote]

Freeze007:

budaatum, are you that same person that spoke about Jehovah being in prison, you don't have to, if you don't want?

No I'm not. If I were you'd be able to quote where I said such nonsense.

Freeze007:
Disclaimer: This is an excerpt from my Leader

Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil,

First, we know how we were before fornication and after fornication

Sorry, but I can't do "we" with you on this. And you'd need to go bring your leader.

Sex is as old as life itself is what I know, and even plants have sex to reproduce. It's called pollination.

Dtruthspeaker:


We already do that. Every normal person processes information.

The more I think of this the more amused I am.

Adam did not process the information he was given. He simply believed it was true.

Eve processed the information she was given by testing if it was true.

budaatum:


The more I think of this the more amused I am.

Adam did not process the information he was given. He simply believed it was true.

Eve processed the information she was given by testing if it was true.

Obviously this is how you choose to see it even though this is not true and I will not continue in it.

Natural living shows that everyone processes information and we see that Adam and Eve complied with the instruction until Eve had a conversation with Satan and bought his yahoo-yahoo glitterati.

Which after she "died" she then compelled Adam to join her in it knowing that Adam would do anything for her because he loved her. And all she has to do is to become manipulative by withdrawing herself, refusing to be loving of which she now hates the man because he did not obey her so, no sex, talk harshly etc. All these things naturally broke Adam especially as she now made his living hell where he is accustomed to a sweet living with his wife. And every man now knows this is how women get men to do their will what is now called simping.

Which led him to make the mistake of bowing to her wishes.

Which is why you see it in God's Judgement on Adam "because thou hast hearkened unto to the voice of thy wife"

The same "because thou hast" was given to the serpent but none for Eve, which in Law we know that means The Court has not concluded her case. Her Trial was adjourned sine die!

And it is insane that you are demanding that people disobey rather than obey. Saul did the same too and he did think and consider and he gathered to himself the best of animals causing Samuel to utter The Words of Law

"Rebellion is the same punishment as witchcraft and stubbornness is the same punishment as idolatry".

The wise know that "To Obey The Lord, is to Live; to disobey, death!"

Dtruthspeaker:


Obviously this is how you choose to see it even though this is not true and I will not continue in it.

Natural living shows that everyone processes information and we see that Adam and Eve complied with the instruction until Eve had a conversation with Satan and bought his yahoo-yahoo glitterati.

Adam complied with the information. Eve used her senses to check if the information were true.

Dtruthspeaker:

Which after she "died" ......

She did not die! She and Adam's eyes opened, and they gained wisdom, and freed themselves from the Garden of Eden and lived till their 900s during which they went on to populate the earth!

See it below. The text clearly states it!

budaatum:

Adam complied with the information. Eve used her senses to check if the information were true.

Only after Satan did yahoo yahoo on her and turned her to his maga mugu.

Dtruthspeaker:


Only after Satan did yahoo yahoo on her and turned her to his maga mugu.

I think the person who lied that they would surely die is the one who did yahoo yahoo.

But to understand that, you'd need to understand the yahoo yahoo of those who wrote the text.

And for that, you'd need to open your eyes and see for yourself instead of believing what you are told.

budaatum:

I think the person who lied that they would surely die is the one who did yahoo yahoo.

And she is not celebrated as celebratated as the world's oldest woman alive?

Surely, you are mad and your reasonability data for the day is exhausted.

Dial star 131 for renewal

Dtruthspeaker:


And she is not celebrated as celebratated as the world's oldest woman alive?

Surely, you are mad and your reasonability data for the day is exhausted.

Dial star 131 for renewal

Just as Methuselah is not celebrated as the oldest man who lived, dt.

budaatum:


Just as Methuselah is not celebrated as the oldest man who lived, dt.

Now you lie for Methuselah is in deed recognised as the oldest man who lived. But no one anywhere is counting Eve's age or recognising her as the only human who has never died. Therefore, she even beats Methuselah as the oldest living person in the world. But this is not so. This rubbish resides in your madness.

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you lie for Methuselah is in deed recognised as the oldest man who lived. But no one anywhere is counting Eve's age or recognising her as the only human who has never died. Therefore, she even beats Methuselah as the oldest living person in the world. But this is not so. This rubbish resides in your madness.

You have reading issues!

Eve obviously did die, just not from or after eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

budaatum:


You have reading issues!

Eve obviously did die, just not from or after eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Say again
"Eve obviously did die"

Say again!
"Eve obviously did die"

Case Closed!

Dtruthspeaker:


Say again
"Eve obviously did die"

Say again!
"Eve obviously did die"

Case Closed!

Dude, did you go to school at all? Is anyone arguing that Eve never died?

What is being said here is, she died a very long time after she ate the fruit she was told would kill her, and she and Adam lived a very long time after eating it.

budaatum:


Dude, did you go to school at all? Is anyone arguing that Eve never died!...

How many times did you say it here that Eve never died? Many Up to the point you impliedly called God a Liar!

budaatum:


Show me where they died, Dt.

Show you can speak the truth.

I was even the one who told you that as long as they died, then God's word was fulfilled. (Let me go and find where I told you this.)

But for now, I rejoice that you have finally confessed The Truth

Dtruthspeaker:


How many times did you say it here that Eve never died?

DT, please point out just one instance where I said "Eve never died".

budaatum:


DT, please point out just one instance where I said "Eve never died".

I have already shown you your post where you implied they never died.

Dtruthspeaker:


I have already shown you your post where you implied they never died.

DT! Please be responsible for your own inferring instead of irresponsibly claiming I implied what I never implied!

Adam died, and Eve obviously must have died too, just that they did not surely die after eating the fruit they'd been told would surely kill them!

budaatum:


DT! Please be responsible for your own inferring instead of irresponsibly claiming I implied what I never implied!

You are surely mad for even in here you implied it saying

budaatum:

I think the person who lied that they would surely die is the one who did yahoo yahoo.

As I said you are mad!

Dtruthspeaker:


You are surely mad for even in here you implied it saying

As I said you are mad!

I think you need to go back to school to learn to read and to comport yourself in a more mature manner.