I wonder why the early church fathers were cherry picking which books should make it to the bible canon.
https://www.nairaland.com/7382665/how-revelation-got-into-bible

MaxInDHouse:

God said nothing outside the Bible, that's what makes it the one and only TRUTH! John 17:17

There are three ways God reveal Himself to mankind:
Through creation, words and actions but then we can't perfectly read His Actions or Creation that's why we need His WORD (BIBLE) God arranged this book so that when we fail to get the information passed through action we can go back to find the absolute TRUTH through studying His WORD BIBLE!

God said nothing outside the Bible?

Even in the other books the Bible made reference to?

1) The Annals of King David - referenced in 1 Chronicles 27 v 24.
2) The Acts of Solomon - referenced in 1 Kings 11 v 41.
3) The Acts of Samuel the Seer - referenced in 1 Chronicles 29 v 29.
4) The book of Nathan the Prophet - referenced in 1 Chronicles 29 v 29 and 2 Chronicles 9 v 29.
5) The book of Gad the Seer - referenced in 1 Chronicles 29 v 29
6) The book of Jehu - referenced in 2 Chronicles 20 v 34
7) The Acts of Uzziah - referenced in 2 Chronicles 26 v 22
8 ) The vision of Isaiah - referenced in 2 Chronicles 32 v 32
9) The sayings of the Seer, also known as the Sayings of Hozai - referenced in 2 Chronicles 33 v 19
10) The book of Jasher - referenced in Joshua 10 v 13 and 2 Samuel 1 v 18
11) The book of Shemaiah the Prophet - referenced in 2 Chronicles 12 v 15
12) The book of the Wars of the Lord - referenced in Numbers 21 v 14
13) The book of Enoch - referenced in Jude 1 v 4,6,13,14,15 and 2 Peter 2 v 4, 3 v 13

Which of the Bibles are we referring to?

The one with 66 books? Or over 80 books?

By the way, the Ethiopian Bible which is one of the oldest in the world has over 80 books.

MaxInDHouse:


God is for ORDERLINESS and not confusion {1Corinthians 14:33} that's why He never said what is written in the Bible book of Revelation 22:18-19 in the LAST BOOK of the Bible, you can't find such in any book. In fact before God concluded His words with the Jewish prophet named Malachi He made it clear to this prophet that messages are still coming through another prophet who will come in the manner of Elijah! Malachi 4:5
This means the TRUTH is yet to complete until the Messiah has come and gone.
Before Jesus left the earth he declared that he still has many things concerning the TRUTH to tell his disciples but they can't bear it all within the allotted time! John 16:12-13

It's this same Jesus who declared in the LAST BOOK of the Bible that there shouldn't be any ADDITION or SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

Of course any intelligent reader supposed to know that all messages regarding the TRUTH has been completed. In fact Apostle Paul made it clear to everyone that all visions, prophecies and dreams are never complete but part of the TRUTH {1Corinthians 13:8-10} until Jesus finally declared that it's now complete with the Revelations in this book of books known as the BIBLE!

Revelation 22 v 18-19;

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

The above verses was referring to the book of Revelation alone, not any other book or collection of books.

Look at the words "THE WORDS OF PROPHECY OF THIS SCROLL" Scroll, not scrolls...

The book of revelation is the words of prophecy, not the book of Songs of Solomon or Esther etc...

Context is key..

OkCornel:


Revelation 22 v 18-19;

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

The above verses was referring to the book of Revelation alone, not any other book or collection of books.

Look at the words "THE WORDS OF PROPHECY OF THIS SCROLL" Scroll, not scrolls...

The book of revelation is the words of prophecy, not the book of Songs of Solomon or Esther etc...

Context is key..

The whole Bible is one big volume in the eyes of the Author that's why you're thinking about the singular or plural terms used, from Genesis to Revelation is words of the PROPHETS so it's all PROPHECIES.

When Jesus said:
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

He was referring to all the books ever written by Israelite prophets nothing is excluded!

MaxInDHouse:


The whole Bible is one big volume in the eyes of the Author that's why you're thinking about the singular or plural terms used, from Genesis to Revelation is words of the PROPHETS so it's all PROPHECIES.

When Jesus said:
“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17



He was referring to all the books ever written by Israelite prophets nothing is excluded!

Including Songs of Solomon?

OkCornel:

Including Songs of Solomon?

YES!

MaxInDHouse:


YES!

The book of Revelation is the scroll of prophecy in Revelation 22.

Not other books. It’s self explanatory

OkCornel:

The book of Revelation is the scroll of prophecy in Revelation 22.
Not other books. It’s self explanatory

Jesus Christ said he has not come to condemn the laws (books written concerning how Israelites must live their lives) and prophets (Israelites prophesying) everything they said are PROPHECIES!

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus Christ said he has not come to condemn the laws (books written concerning how Israelites must live their lives) and prophets (Israelites prophesying) everything they said are PROPHECIES!

xproducer:
"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of "THIS BOOK", If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in "THIS BOOK": And if any man shall take away from the words of "THE BOOK" of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in "THIS BOOK" ." - Revelation 22:18-19

MaxinDHouse, from the Bible version xproducr posted, it clearly states "THIS BOOK", not THESE BOOKS.

The context is very clear and unambiguous, that was for the book of Revelation only.

MaxInDHouse:


YES!

Please what are the prophecies in songs of Solomon?

OkCornel:

MaxinDHouse, from the Bible version xproducr posted, it clearly states "THIS BOOK", not THESE BOOKS.
The context is very clear and unambiguous, that was for the book of Revelation only.

Please to anyone who doesn't know the history of the Bible how many books is the Bible?

Come on my guy, the Author of that book is God not those writers so if He decides to use different secretaries in writing His book from Genesis to Revelation that doesn't make His book different from any other book.
The Bible is the handiwork of just one single Author: GOD, that's why He used His Holy Spirit to direct it's users to compile into just one single volume! 2Timothy 3:16

OkCornel:

Please what are the prophecies in songs of Solomon?

What do you think kept Adam and Eve together till death despite their fall in the garden of Eden?

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. 2Timothy 3:16


The PROPHECY: In the last days most men will loose their feelings for the wife of their youth {Proverbs 5:18; Malachi 2:14} but you faithful servants of JEHOVAH make sure you keep the love of the woman you married in your heart because she is your own Eve {Matthew 19:6} and just as Adam composed a romantic poem for his woman {Genesis 2:23} do likewise to make her happy always. This is what will make you fully competent and completely equipped as a man of the true God! Malachi 2:15 compare to 2Timothy 3:17

May you have PEACE!

OkCornel:


I hope you know this passage refers to the book of revelation alone...

Not a set of books called The Bible.

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Read the entire word of GOD, and by GOD's mercies you will understand the principle applies to GOD's entire inspired word to mankind - the Holy Bible...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." - 2 Peter 1:21

King David said... "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue[/b]." - 2 Samuel 23:1-3

Again... attempting to add to or subtract from the word of GOD (a futile effort) is not permitted in His entire word!

"[b]Every word of God is pure : he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." - Proverbs 30:5-6

xproducer:


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Read the entire word of GOD, and by GOD's mercies you will understand the principle applies to GOD's entire inspired word to mankind - the Holy Bible...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." - 2 Peter 1:21

King David said... "The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue[/b]." - 2 Samuel 23:1-3

Again... attempting to add to or subtract from the word of GOD (a futile effort) is not permitted in His entire word!

"[b]Every word of God is pure : he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." - Proverbs 30:5-6

So Songs of Solomon is part of the book of prophecy Revelation 22 was referring to?

Why are you people doing this to yourselves?

When John wrote the book of Revelation, the other books were already assembled together ni?

MaxInDHouse:


Please to anyone who doesn't know the history of the Bible how many books is the Bible?

Come on my guy, the Author of that book is God not those writers so if He decides to use different secretaries in writing His book from Genesis to Revelation that doesn't make His book different from any other book.
The Bible is the handiwork of just one single Author: GOD, that's why He used His Holy Spirit to direct it's users to compile into just one single volume! 2Timothy 3:16

Were the books of the Bible (66 or 80+ books) assembled together as at the time John wrote Revelation?

When Jesus was about to leave, he promised his followers another comforter, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Which will lead them into all truth.

Jesus never referred his followers to a set of books, rather… he promised them the spirit of truth.

Knowing fully well God’s truth can never be limited to a set of books in this realm of existence.

Little wonder John wrote this in his epistle.

John 21 v 25;
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

If all the acts and sayings of Jesus alone were written and the whole world can’t contain it, how can you then turn around and tell me all of God’s word is captured in some set of books?!

E no go better for religious brainwashing!

MaxInDHouse:

The topic is not about God but TRUTH about God and what is happening both in heaven and on earth. Many people believe God exist {James 2:19} but then they don't know the truth about Him so as to obey and worship Him acceptably. That's the purpose of the Bible God's word which Jesus referred to as the TRUTH! John 17:17

Ọmọ this guy thinking is something else o.
So if God had been existing billions of years ago and he started revealing things people today, how does that affect his existence?

cornelboy:

Ọmọ this guy thinking is something else o.
So if God had been existing billions of years ago and he started revealing things people today, how does that affect his existence?

So God never revealed anything to humans before writing was invented?

God never revealed anything to the people that called upon his name in the days of Enosh (not Enoch)?

Genesis 4 v 26;
Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD.


This narrow minded assumption that truth must be written before it’s validated and complete severely stunts the spiritual growth of many.

OkCornel:

So God never revealed anything to humans before writing was invented?
God never revealed anything to the people that called upon his name in the days of Enosh (not Enoch)?
Genesis 4 v 26;
Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD.
This narrow minded assumption that truth must be written before it’s validated and complete severely stunts the spiritual growth of many.

What's the benefit of truth that wasn't recorded? If God revealed truth to people before the invention of writing, that's cool. Only those people he revealed it to benefited from it since it wasn't recorded.

The Bible is the only truth written we have today.

If God is revealing some truths with you, you can share it with us.

What's your religion?

OkCornel:


Were the books of the Bible (66 or 80+ books) assembled together as at the time John wrote Revelation?

That's the work of God's Holy Spirit teaching us what to do with regards to inspired writings and uninspired books!

Jesus himself confirmed that if the spirit has guided us into doing the right thing there will be a sign and that is PEACE among those putting faith in the works of God's Holy Spirit! John 14:26-27

That's why the one and only group having LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} permeating their gathering believe only in the 66 books because God's Holy Spirit is WORKING with them so even though they're imperfect humans like other religions all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit will be noticed among them! Matthew 7:16-18

So it's left to you now to present any group using extra books so we can all see how well they're PERFORMING as believers! Luke 11:23

cornelboy:

Ọmọ this guy thinking is something else o.
So if God had been existing billions of years ago and he started revealing things people today, how does that affect his existence?

His problem is what Jesus referred to as the TRUTH he thought anything that transpired between God and humans before God directed Moses to start writing the books is also the truth whereas the TRUTH began manifesting when God gathered people in millions and started giving them rules to guide them.
For instance before the Mosaic laws Cain, Seth and many others like Abraham married their sisters but after God has commanded His organized people such ended. So when did the TRUTH start manifesting? Before or after the laws?

cornelboy:

What's the benefit of truth that wasn't recorded? If God revealed truth to people before the invention of writing, that's cool. Only those people he revealed it to benefited from it since it wasn't recorded.
The Bible is the only truth written we have today.
If God is revealing some truths with you, you can share it with us.
What's your religion?

Demons revealed so much that's why God's active force helped in sorting out God's word from uninspired books not meant for our use! 2Timothy 3:16-17

cornelboy:

What's the benefit of truth that wasn't recorded? If God revealed truth to people before the invention of writing, that's cool. Only those people he revealed it to benefited from it since it wasn't recorded.

The Bible is the only truth written we have today.

If God is revealing some truths with you, you can share it with us.

What's your religion?

It’s a big lie that the Bible is the only written truth today.

Where did God cap the books of truth at 66 books only? Where exactly?

MaxInDHouse:


Demons revealed so much that's why God's active force helped in sorting out God's word from uninspired books not meant for our use! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Can a true believer walk with the Holy Spirit and still be deceived at the same time?

1 John 2 v 26-27 comes to mind…

OkCornel:

It’s a big lie that the Bible is the only written truth today.
Where did God cap the books of truth at 66 books only? Where exactly?

First what's your religion?

cornelboy:

First what's your religion?

God’s religion is my religion, that’s if He has one. (But we know He doesn’t)

I’m into TRUTH.

cornelboy:

What's the benefit of truth that wasn't recorded? If God revealed truth to people before the invention of writing, that's cool. Only those people he revealed it to benefited from it since it wasn't recorded.

The Bible is the only truth written we have today.

If God is revealing some truths with you, you can share it with us.

What's your religion?

Truth is a spirit (the source), not just written words (the product).

If all the books and writing materials in the world are burned up, will the truth cease to exist?

OkCornel:

Can a true believer walk with the Holy Spirit and still be deceived at the same time?

1 John 2 v 26-27 comes to mind…

YES!

Jesus was taken to the wilderness by the Holy Spirit it was at the end when God's Holy Spirit released him that another spirit being came in disguise {2Corinthians 11:14} after a thorough meditation on the thoughts and intentions of the spirit talking to him that Jesus discern that this one is Satan {Matthew 4:1-10} Satan just gave him a breathing space perhaps he can get him some other time! Luke 4:13

Peter was with Jesus body and soul when Satan entered into him! Matthew 16:21-23

So if Satan can use different means to catch Jesus who is imperfect human that Satan can't catch him?

MaxInDHouse:


YES!

Jesus was taken to the wilderness by the Holy Spirit it was at the end when God's Holy Spirit released him that another spirit being came in disguise {2Corinthians 11:14} after a thorough meditation on the thoughts and intentions of the spirit talking to him that Jesus discern that this one is Satan {Matthew 4:1-10} Satan just gave him a breathing space perhaps he can get him some other time! Luke 4:13

Peter was with Jesus body and soul when Satan entered into him! Matthew 16:21-23

So if Satan can use different means to catch Jesus who is imperfect human that Satan can't catch him?

In the example you gave, if Peter was already filled with the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus promise them the comforter/spirit of truth which filled all the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?

Apparently you might be contradicting 1 John 2 v 26-27. Can you be led by the Holy Spirt and be deceived “at the same time”?

OkCornel:


In the example you gave, if Peter was already filled with the Holy Spirit, why did Jesus promise them the comforter/spirit of truth which filled all the Apostles on the day of Pentecost?

Apparently you might be contradicting 1 John 2 v 26-27. Can you be led by the Holy Spirt and be deceived “at the same time”?

What was leading Jesus of Nazareth and why did Satan came to deceive Jesus if someone led by God's Holy Spirit can't be deceived? 1Corinthians 10:12

Those led by God's Holy Spirit must stick to the Bible (the TRUTH) otherwise Satan can still mislead them. That's what helped Jesus to win the battle against Satan as he kept quoting the Bible {Matthew 4:4, 7, 10} the sword of the spirit {Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} the ultimate TRUTH! John 17:17

MaxInDHouse:


What was leading Jesus of Nazareth and why did Satan came to deceive Jesus if someone led by God's Holy Spirit can't be deceived? 1Corinthians 10:12

Those led by God's Holy Spirit must stick to the Bible (the TRUTH) otherwise Satan can still mislead them. That's what helped Jesus to win the battle against Satan as he kept quoting the Bible {Matthew 4:4, 7, 10} the sword of the spirit {Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 4:12} the ultimate TRUTH! John 17:17

Was Peter filled with and led by the Holy Spirit before the Pentecost?