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Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Ola260: 9:38pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

I actually wrote it by myself. If you check, you've NEVER ever come across such a sentence. I noticed that ALL Muslims seem to be AFRAID of translating it and the Christians especially the pastor's cayn speak Arabic.

Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence?

إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥
U just confirmed speaking with u is a waste of time.
So u know the meaning and still need a translator.
Get your self a job pls. Bye



Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 9:40pm On Oct 29, 2022
haekymbahd:
when you answer whether Jehovah is wahid or ahad there lies your answer...
haekymbahd:

Prophet Muhammad will be the last prophet simple so use your head..
That is not the questions, Sir.
haekymbahd:

Messiah was already ordained a prophet before prophet Muhammad...
What does that mean? Are you trying to say that Mahdi is not a messiah? And, not a messenger?
haekymbahd:

In John 1:19-28, John the Baptist is asked if he is Elijah, and he denies that he is Elijah (or the Prophet or the Christ).
How does this relate to the question?
haekymbahd:

He isn't comming as a prophet but Christ even the Jews knows this....
What is he coming as?

And, what prophecies did mohammed make?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 9:41pm On Oct 29, 2022
Oh, so you have knowledge? Are you a man of knowledge? Did you explain it with what spirit? What qualifies you to provide explanations of this sort? How did you know that he didn't understand it?

According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

haekymbahd:
it wasn't wrong he didn't understand it and I explained to him...
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 9:49pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

Please ask them o: was it Allah that authorized the rearrangement of the perfect word of Allah?
Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1787

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported: I was in the mosque when a man entered and prayed and recited (the Qur'an) in a style to which I objected. Then another man entered (the mosque) and recited in a style different from that of his companion. When we had finished the prayer, we all went to Allah's Messenger and said to him: This man recited in a style to which I objected, and the other entered and recited in a style different from that of his companion. The Messenger of Allah asked them to recite and so they recited, and the Apostle of Allah expressed approval of their affairs (their modes of recitation). and there occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah saw how I was affected (by a wrong idea), he struck my chest, whereupon I broke into sweating and felt as though I were looking at Allah with fear. He (the Holy Prophet) said to me: Ubayy, a message was sent to me to recite the Qur'an in one dialect, and I replied: Make (things) easy for my people. It was conveyed to me for the second time that it should be recited in two dialects. I again replied to him: Make affairs easy for my people. It was again conveyed to me for the third time to recite in seven dialects. And (I was further told): You have got a seeking for every reply that I sent you, which you should seek from Me. I said: O Allah! forgive my people, forgive my people, and I have deferred the third one for the day on which the entire creation will turn to me, including even Ibrahim (for intercession).
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 9:56pm On Oct 29, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:

What is he coming as?
Messiah

Sixfiguresmart:

And, what prophecies did mohammed make?
The Globalization of Islam
Amidst the fiercest persecution and abuse that the Muslims faced in the earliest Meccan period, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would stand without wavering and convey to his followers God’s promise of Islam spreading all over the world. Tamīm ad-Dāri (rA) reports that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.” 3 In another narration, reported by Thawbān (rA), “Indeed, Allah gathered up the earth for me so that I saw its east and its west; and indeed the dominion of my nation will reach what was gathered up for me from it.”


The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 10:19pm On Oct 29, 2022
haekymbahd:
Messiah
The Globalization of Islam
Amidst the fiercest persecution and abuse that the Muslims faced in the earliest Meccan period, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would stand without wavering and convey to his followers God’s promise of Islam spreading all over the world. Tamīm ad-Dāri (rA) reports that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.” 3 In another narration, reported by Thawbān (rA), “Indeed, Allah gathered up the earth for me so that I saw its east and its west; and indeed the dominion of my nation will reach what was gathered up for me from it.”


The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.
This one knows nothing about islam. they are bottle feeders. I have seen you online for over an hour now. You have no answer but the ones that you just read online now.

The word of God meant in this verse is the Quran. This word is complete in truth and justice. Nothing can change Allah’s word which he revealed in his BOOKS. The liars cannot add or delete from Allah’s BOOKS. This is referring without a doubt to the Jews and Christians because they are the people of the books which were revealed to their prophets. Allah is revealing that the words they (the people of the book) are corrupting were not revealed by Allah, but Allah’s word cannot be changed or substituted. (Tafsir al-Tabari, Q. 6:115; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by TenQ: 11:01pm On Oct 29, 2022
[quote author=Ola260 post=117977180][/quote]
Why is the translation such a big fuss to you Muslims!?

Is there TRUTH that is supposed to be kept hidden from people!?

Suddenly, fear grips them and they can't speak again! Same reaction!

Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence?

إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Ola260: 11:04pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

Why is the translation such a big fuss to you Muslims!?

Is there TRUTH that is supposed to be kept hidden from people!?

Suddenly, fear grips them and they can't speak again! Same reaction!

Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence?

إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥
Your God and his followers praises the devil.
Can u pls explain this to me too
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Ola260: 11:05pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

Why is the translation such a big fuss to you Muslims!?

Is there TRUTH that is supposed to be kept hidden from people!?

Suddenly, fear grips them and they can't speak again! Same reaction!

Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence?

إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥
Jesus came to study himself and he is a God.
Pls explain that to me too.
Since common sense seems to uncommon to u
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by TenQ: 11:11pm On Oct 29, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 1787

Ubayy b. Ka'b reported: I was in the mosque when a man entered and prayed and recited (the Qur'an) in a style to which I objected. Then another man entered (the mosque) and recited in a style different from that of his companion. When we had finished the prayer, we all went to Allah's Messenger and said to him: This man recited in a style to which I objected, and the other entered and recited in a style different from that of his companion. The Messenger of Allah asked them to recite and so they recited, and the Apostle of Allah expressed approval of their affairs (their modes of recitation). and there occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah saw how I was affected (by a wrong idea), he struck my chest, whereupon I broke into sweating and felt as though I were looking at Allah with fear. He (the Holy Prophet) said to me: Ubayy, a message was sent to me to recite the Qur'an in one dialect, and I replied: Make (things) easy for my people. It was conveyed to me for the second time that it should be recited in two dialects. I again replied to him: Make affairs easy for my people. It was again conveyed to me for the third time to recite in seven dialects. And (I was further told): You have got a seeking for every reply that I sent you, which you should seek from Me. I said: O Allah! forgive my people, forgive my people, and I have deferred the third one for the day on which the entire creation will turn to me, including even Ibrahim (for intercession).
And ALL the dialects have disappeared. Maybe Allah inspired Uthman to burn the rest. Confused satanic religion
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by TenQ: 11:14pm On Oct 29, 2022
Ola260:

Jesus came to study himself and he is a God.
Pls explain that to me too.
Since common sense seems to uncommon to u
Is that the translation!?
That Jesus came to study Himself!?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by TenQ: 11:15pm On Oct 29, 2022
Ola260:

Your God and his followers praises the devil.
Can u pls explain this to me too
Is this the translation of the Arabic speech!
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Ola260: 11:29pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

Is this the translation of the Arabic speech!
Yes boss

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Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Ola260: 11:29pm On Oct 29, 2022
TenQ:

Is this the translation of the Arabic speech!
Yeah

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Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 2:26am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Oh, so you have knowledge? Are you a man of knowledge? Did you explain it with what spirit? What qualifies you to provide explanations of this sort? How did you know that he didn't understand it?
He knew he was wrong else he would have replied

Sixfiguresmart:

According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

And so?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 2:32am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
This one knows nothing about islam. they are bottle feeders. I have seen you online for over an hour now. You have no answer but the ones that you just read online now.

The word of God meant in this verse is the Quran. This word is complete in truth and justice. Nothing can change Allah’s word which he revealed in his BOOKS. The liars cannot add or delete from Allah’s BOOKS. This is referring without a doubt to the Jews and Christians because they are the people of the books which were revealed to their prophets. Allah is revealing that the words they (the people of the book) are corrupting were not revealed by Allah, but Allah’s word cannot be changed or substituted. (Tafsir al-Tabari, Q. 6:115; bold and capital emphasis ours)

Answer to what exactly I have other things I spend my time on must you be a Muslim I don't understand... To you is your religion and to us is ours no Muslim is complaining...

The Byzantines will Rebound
Despite being isolated by seemingly endless deserts, and largely unaffected by the power struggles of the world’s superpowers, the Qur’an boldly foretold the most unexpected events that would transpire between Persia and Byzantium in a few short years. “The Byzantines have been defeated. In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will triumph. Within three to nine years.” [ar-Rūm 30: 2-4] From 613-619 CE, the Byzantines were absolutely decimated by the Persian Empire, losing the territories of Antioch, then Damascus, then Armenia, then their most cherished Jerusalem, then Chalcedon, and finally Egypt. In his book, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon says, “At the time when this prediction is said to have been delivered, no prophecy could be more distant from its accomplishment, since the first twelve years of Heraclius announced the approaching dissolution of the empire.”2 Everyone saw Byzantium as on its deathbed; thus opponents of the Prophet ﷺ like Ubayy b. Khalaf mocked this “preposterous” foretelling in the Qur’an. However, not long after, Heraclius led the Byzantine Crusade like a dagger into the heart of the Persian Empire, fulfilling the amazing prophecy 6-8 years after it was uttered.

The verses that immediately follow this prediction say, “The decision of the matter, before and after [these events], is only with Allah. And on that Day, the believers (i.e., Muslims) will rejoice in the victory of Allah.” [ar-Rūm 30: 4-5] Abu Ḥayyān al-Andalūsi (d. 1344) lists in al-Baḥr al-Muḥīṭ four reasons for this rejoicing, of them being that the miraculous prophecy unfolding would further validate their belief in his prophethood. Another reason, which involves another prophecy, is the Muslims would at that time find themselves celebrating their own victory: a long-awaited triumph against the Meccan oppressors in the Battle of Badr happened in 624 as well. It suddenly becomes quite clear why God seals Sūrat ar-Rūm by saying, “So be patient. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And let them not unnerve you who are not certain [in faith].” [ar-Rūm 30: 60]
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:19am On Oct 30, 2022
No one cares to who a religion is tied. We are here and if you have no time get away from nairaland and face your work. do not come here to nag about time. everyone is as busy as you imagine too. provide the necessary answer and stop with your insanely long apocalyptic epistle of uncorroborated stories.

"In Sura 53:19 we read 'Have you considered al Lat and al- Uzza and Manat the third other?' This was once followed by the words 'Verily they are the exalted maidens (gharaniq, also translated 'cranes') and their intercession is to be hoped for' ('is approved' in another version). The earliest authority on the life of Mohammed (i.e. Ibn Hisham) asserts that these words were uttered by Mohammed at the instigation of Satan."

Were these 3 maidens destroyed after this revelation in the kaaba, or before it?
haekymbahd:
Answer to what exactly I have other things I spend my time on must you be a Muslim I don't understand... To you is your religion and to us is ours no Muslim is complaining...

The Byzantines will Rebound
Despite being isolated by seemingly endless deserts, and largely unaffected by the power struggles of the world’s superpowers, the Qur’an boldly foretold the most unexpected events that would transpire between Persia and Byzantium in a few short years. “The Byzantines have been defeated. In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will triumph. Within three to nine years.” [ar-Rūm 30: 2-4] From 613-619 CE, the Byzantines were absolutely decimated by the Persian Empire, losing the territories of Antioch, then Damascus, then Armenia, then their most cherished Jerusalem, then Chalcedon, and finally Egypt. In his book, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon says, “At the time when this prediction is said to have been delivered, no prophecy could be more distant from its accomplishment, since the first twelve years of Heraclius announced the approaching dissolution of the empire.”2 Everyone saw Byzantium as on its deathbed; thus opponents of the Prophet ﷺ like Ubayy b. Khalaf mocked this “preposterous” foretelling in the Qur’an. However, not long after, Heraclius led the Byzantine Crusade like a dagger into the heart of the Persian Empire, fulfilling the amazing prophecy 6-8 years after it was uttered.

The verses that immediately follow this prediction say, “The decision of the matter, before and after [these events], is only with Allah. And on that Day, the believers (i.e., Muslims) will rejoice in the victory of Allah.” [ar-Rūm 30: 4-5] Abu Ḥayyān al-Andalūsi (d. 1344) lists in al-Baḥr al-Muḥīṭ four reasons for this rejoicing, of them being that the miraculous prophecy unfolding would further validate their belief in his prophethood. Another reason, which involves another prophecy, is the Muslims would at that time find themselves celebrating their own victory: a long-awaited triumph against the Meccan oppressors in the Battle of Badr happened in 624 as well. It suddenly becomes quite clear why God seals Sūrat ar-Rūm by saying, “So be patient. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And let them not unnerve you who are not certain [in faith].” [ar-Rūm 30: 60]
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:23am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
He knew he was wrong else he would have replied

And so?
Sir, it is a simple question. Since you corrected him, I am asking if you have the KNOWLEDGE. Are you a MAN OF KNOWLEDGE? How did you know that you was wrong? Do you have the knowledge to detect a wrong insertion?

Was Mohammed wrong to have taught Muslims the Satanic verses?

When allah said that he is under punishment, was allah wrong?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:25am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
He knew he was wrong else he would have replied

And so?
According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

which Ahruf do you recite? Do you now agree that there are so many variances in the quran?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 4:28am On Oct 30, 2022
TenQ:

And ALL the dialects have disappeared. Maybe Allah inspired Uthman to burn the rest. Confused satanic religion
absolutely. They burn the words of their allah
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 4:48am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

which Ahruf do you recite? Do you now agree that there are so many variances in the quran?
Reading a particular book in American English or British English which is correct and which is wrong... It is the same Quran recited in different dialect....


When we talk about different versions of bibles this is what is meant now I want you to read the preface of R.S.V bible and clear your head so you will know what variance mean. Take a back seat and read this below

Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)

The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bible was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901.

Because of unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928, this copyright was acquired by the International Council of ......



http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 4:55am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
Sir, it is a simple question. Since you corrected him, I am asking if you have the KNOWLEDGE. Are you a MAN OF KNOWLEDGE? How did you know that you was wrong? Do you have the knowledge to detect a wrong insertion?

Was Mohammed wrong to have taught Muslims the Satanic verses?

When allah said that he is under punishment, was allah wrong?
Both Hadith the one he posted and mine were sayings of the same man... So it is expected that he has the same view...

So again it explained it much better...

On punishment issue: You took the Quran out of context why not post the preceeding and proceeding verses before and after if you are truthful...
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 4:58am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
No one cares to who a religion is tied. We are here and if you have no time get away from nairaland and face your work. do not come here to nag about time. everyone is as busy as you imagine too. provide the necessary answer and stop with your insanely long apocalyptic epistle of uncorroborated stories.

"In Sura 53:19 we read 'Have you considered al Lat and al- Uzza and Manat the third other?' This was once followed by the words 'Verily they are the exalted maidens (gharaniq, also translated 'cranes') and their intercession is to be hoped for' ('is approved' in another version). The earliest authority on the life of Mohammed (i.e. Ibn Hisham) asserts that these words were uttered by Mohammed at the instigation of Satan."

Were these 3 maidens destroyed after this revelation in the kaaba, or before it?
Bring a sahih source then we can talk...
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:09am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
Messiah
The Globalization of Islam

The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.
right there is the plan of muslims. Sir, islam as you know it breathes under intense violence and aggression. The primetime for islam is dead gone. If you think that you can usurp the rulers of these world, wait until the actual awakening to see how the snake that you feed turn around to bite.

You have projected your islam with lies that are being debunked now. As an ex-muslim, I ran out with my head on my neck cos I saw the light. Thanks to the apostate muslims that I met within the muslim community. It is a swelling number of them. Islam is imploding. Number is not substance.

The reason why we know so much about islam today, is the apostates who left. Today, there is an avalanche of second generation muslim immigrants that are leaving islam. islam would have grown larger than this but now with the internet, people can see the lies clearly as we reveal to you.

meanwhile, define "Messiah".
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:11am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
Bring a sahih source then we can talk...
I quoted the surah up there. Is that not enough? Need I spoon feed you? Did the revelation come before or after the destruction of the 360 gods?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:13am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
Both Hadith the one he posted and mine were sayings of the same man... So it is expected that he has the same view...
So again it explained it much better...

On punishment issue: You took the Quran out of context why not post the preceeding and proceeding verses before and after if you are truthful...
I asked a question on the content. I didn't provide any analysis. So, how is there a removal of context?

allah said that he has a livelihood and he is under punishment. What is his livelihood and who gave him the punichment?
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:15am On Oct 30, 2022
At-Tabari comments on the meaning of the Hour being as close as Muhammad's index and middle fingers:

"Thus, (the evidence permitting) a conclusion is as follows: The beginning of the day is the rise of the dawn, and its end is the setting of the sun. Further, the reported tradition on the authority of the Prophet is sound. As we have mentioned earlier, he said after having prayed the afternoon prayer: What remains of this world as compared to what has passed of it is just like what remains of this day as compared to what has passed of it. He also said: When I was sent, I and the Hour were like these two- holding index finger and middle finger together; I preceded it to the same extent as this one- meaning the middle finger- preceded that one- meaning the index finger. Further, the extent (of time) between the mean time of the afternoon prayer- that is, when the shadow of everything is twice its size, according to the best assumption ('ala al-taharri)- (to sunset) is the extent of time of one-half of one-seventh of the day, give or take a little. Likewise, the excess of the length of the middle finger over the index finger is something about that or close to it. There is also a sound tradition on the authority of the Messenger of God, as I was told by Ahmad b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. Wahb- his paternal uncle 'Abd-allah b. Wahb- Mu'awiyah b. Salih- 'Abd al-Rahman b. Jubayr b. Nufayr- his father Jubayr b. Nufayr- the companion of the Prophet, Abu Tha'labah al-Khushani: The Messenger of God said: Indeed, God will not make this nation incapable of (lasting) half a day- referring to the day of a thousand years.

"All these facts taken together make it clear that of the two statements I have mentioned concerning the total extent of time, the one from Ibn Abbas, and the other from Ka'b, the one more likely to be correct in accordance with the information coming from the Messenger of God is that of Ibn 'Abbas transmitted here by us on his authority: The world is one of the weeks of the other world - seven thousand years.

"Consequently, because this is so and the report on the authority of the Messenger of God is sound- namely, that he reported that what remained of the time of this world during his lifetime was half a day, or five hundred years, since five hundred years are half a day of the days, of which one is a thousand years- the conclusion is that the time of this world that had elapsed to the moment of the Prophet's statement corresponds to what we have transmitted on the authority of Abu Tha'labah al-Khushani from the Prophet, and is 6,500 years or approximately 6,500 years. God knows best!" (Tabari, pp. 182-183, bold emphasis ours)

Hence, according to these traditions Muhammad believed that not only was the world less than 7,000 years old but it was to end on the seventh day, or seven thousand years from the time it was created.

Accordingly, the world should have ended sometime between 1070-1132 AD, approximately 500 years after the birth and death of Muhammad. This is based on the fact that according to at-Tabari and others, the advent of Muhammad took place approximately 6,500 years from the time of creation. This is clearly a false prophecy.

Yet this date contradicts the one approximated by Abu Dawood in his Sunan. There, we saw that Antichrist was to appear seven months after the conquest of Constantinople, an event that took place in 1453 AD. This being the case, how could Muhammad have claimed elsewhere that the world was to end 500 years after his own birth and death? To make matters worse, the Islamic traditions claim that Antichrist was actually present during Muhammad's lifetime. In fact, according to the traditions Antichrist was a man named Ibn Saiyad:
haekymbahd:
Reading a particular book in American English or British English which is correct and which is wrong... It is the same Quran recited in different dialect....


When we talk about different versions of bibles this is what is meant now I want you to read the preface of R.S.V bible and clear your head so you will know what variance mean. Take a back seat and read this below

Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)

The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bible was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901.

Because of unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928, this copyright was acquired by the International Council of ......



http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 5:26am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
I asked a question on the content. I didn't provide any analysis. So, how is there a removal of context?

allah said that he has a livelihood and he is under punishment. What is his livelihood and who gave him the punichment?
Do you want an answer? if yes post its preceeding and proceeding verses if you are truthful..
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 5:32am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
I quoted the surah up there. Is that not enough? Need I spoon feed you? Did the revelation come before or after the destruction of the 360 gods?
The Allah/Elohim of Muhammad the God of Abrahama claims he has no daughter nor son.... So it doesn't matter to me..
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by haekymbahd(m): 5:37am On Oct 30, 2022
Sixfiguresmart:
right there is the plan of muslims. Sir, islam as you know it breathes under intense violence and aggression. The primetime for islam is dead gone. If you think that you can usurp the rulers of these world, wait until the actual awakening to see how the snake that you feed turn around to bite.

You have projected your islam with lies that are being debunked now. As an ex-muslim, I ran out with my head on my neck cos I saw the light. Thanks to the apostate muslims that I met within the muslim community. It is a swelling number of them. Islam is imploding. Number is not substance.

The reason why we know so much about islam today, is the apostates who left. Today, there is an avalanche of second generation muslim immigrants that are leaving islam. islam would have grown larger than this but now with the internet, people can see the lies clearly as we reveal to you.

meanwhile, define "Messiah".
So it is the christians population that is growing right isn't it I guess christians are starting to see through the lies of christianity.... Talk with sense na since you are trying to sell your religion you have to provide a religion that is better
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:38am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
The Allah/Elohim of Muhammad the God of Abrahama claims he has no daughter nor son.... So it doesn't matter to me..
mohammed is false and indefensible. You cannot help him. The news is spreading wild
Re: A Muslim Will Enter Paradise Even If He Commits Theft Or Adultery by Sixfiguresmart(m): 5:43am On Oct 30, 2022
haekymbahd:
So it is the christians population that is growing right isn't it I guess christians are starting to see through the lies of christianity.... Talk with sense na since you are trying to sell your religion you have to provide a religion that is better
I will never sell jack to you, Hakeem. Not even roasted shiit. You don't qualify.

Jesus did not ask us to bring in population. He says it is substance and quality above population and quantity.

Jesus said that the road to life is narrow and only a A FEW are finding it.

Christianity cannot grow like islam. Anything and anyone identifies and muslim. Bobrisky, hushpuppy etc those are muslims happily. But, they cannot be Christians because such is not tolerated in true Christianity.

Anyone identifying as a Christian and commiting sin is deceiving himself

No one in the character of Mohammed can ever be christians?

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