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KnowAll:
Luke 16:19-31

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sexkillz:
NO! (Psalms 37:29)

InesQor:
Did I mention "body"? What does despair and anguish mean to you? Are they felt in the body?

sexkillz:
Are you saying JESUS contradicted himself? (JOHN 3:13)

InesQor:
I believe the parable of Lazarus and the rich man was a symbolic story from Jesus telling the Pharisees how the Gentiles were getting born again and experiencing the kingdom while they, who believed they were meant to be in Abraham's bosom as their noble birthright, would just find themselves stranded.

If you need more details on this view, please let me know.

sexkillz:
Do DEAD PEOPLE feel ANYTHING?
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sexkillz:
ATHEISTS! ---- Would you GUYS keep QUIET for once? Stop Quoting from a BOOK you dont believe in! Damn! You guys are so Predictable! Leave this to theists that can actually comprehend and reason!  

sexkillz:
Dictionary definition
Anguish: 1 severe mental suffering 2. pain & agony
Despair: complete loss or absence of hope

Which of the above can A DEAD person feel? Or does the BRAIN survive death? or the Nervous system? And can you explain to me what you meant by sensations beyond the body?

thehomer:
Hmm. At this rate, I wonder if there will be anything left to make it to Heaven.

sexkillz:
Can you then RIGHTFULLY say that JESUS was referring to HELLFIRE?
Did you really READ PSALMS 37:29? And get the context?

InesQor:
Na wa o. I was SUPPORTING YOU that Lazarus and the Rich man is a story and not a description of hell and heaven and see your response above?  

InesQor:
I believe Heaven and Hell(fire) exist, but in the story of Lazarus Jesus was talking about something else.

sexkillz:
Sorry About that! I just wanted to know if that would be a yard stick for proving the EXISTENCE of HELL!

sexkillz:
If HELL FIRE EXISTS, Why did Jesus not STATE so EXPLICITLY? Since he also mentioned GOING to HEAVEN? Why did he NEVER mention GOING to HELL after DEATH?

sexkillz:
Dictionary definition
Anguish: 1 severe mental suffering 2. pain & agony
Despair: complete loss or absence of hope

Which of the above can A DEAD person feel? Do they have any SENSATIONS? Or does the BRAIN survive death? or the Nervous system? And can you explain to me what you meant by sensations beyond the body?

sexkillz:
^^^ LOL! Focus on HELL FIRE na! Heaven na another matter! Yes or NO! Did Jesus or GOD himself say that when wicked people die, they go to HELL FIRE? Answer!

KnowAll:
Luke 16:19-31

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There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed in purple and fine linen and who lived each day in luxury. At his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus who was covered with sores. As Lazarus lay there longing for scraps from the rich man’s table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores. “Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. “The rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in anguish in these flames.’“But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish. And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’“Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’“But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’“The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’“But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen even if someone rises from the dead.”

sexkillz:
Are you saying JESUS contradicted himself? (JOHN 3:13)

InesQor:
1. What is a person composed [/b]of, before he/she begins to [b]decompose (no pun intended)?

sexkillz:
1. if you are saying the Body is  composed of something else what is it?

sexkillz:

2.Those medical examples you gave, do they last for eternity? Is it only wicked ones that experience such sensations?

sexkillz:
3. If God, Jesus, and the BIBLE did not mention it, SHOULD YOU BELIEVE it and then attribute it to GOD?

wordtalk:
So, how does John 3:13 contradict Luke 16:19-31? HOW?

My point seems to be lost on you. What I'm telling you is that AT LEAST it is medically possible for a human being to experience pain that is not related to somatic sensations (feelings in the body). So if it is possible now, how certain are you that it will not be possible when the body is dead? After all the body is not NEEDED to produce that pain right?

sexkillz:
^^^I DONT believe any thing religious that is NOT from the BIBLE!

sexkillz:
What i dont get is why you quote JOHN 21:25 to support the CLAIM that HELLFIRE EXISTS!

Why should GOD be labeled CRUEL because SOME people came up with the HORRENDOUS IDEA that HELLFIRE EXISTS and that GOD punishes wicked ones for eternity in HELL?

sexkillz:
You should be EXPLAINING THIS to me!

sexkillz:
And while you are at it you may also want to explain if HELL FIRE is LITERAL FIRE!

InesQor:
@sexkillz

The "fire" in hellfire relates to the anguish and despair that they experience and not really the kind of fire that you cook food with!

sexkillz:
^^^I DONT believe any thing religious that is NOT from the BIBLE!

What i dont get is why you quote JOHN 21:25 to support the CLAIM that HELLFIRE EXISTS! Why should GOD be labeled CRUEL because SOME people came up with the HORRENDOUS IDEA that HELLFIRE EXISTS and that GOD punishes wicked ones for eternity in HELL?

wordtalk:
That probably suggests the root of the problem you're dealing with. Not all religious truth is found in the Bible - even some of the prophets in the Bible actually used other books that are NOT in the Bible. Examples? Daniel ("I Daniel understood by books the number of the years", Dan. 9:2) and Paul ("bring the books too, and especially the ones made of parchment" - 2 Tim. 4:13).

More examples? What about the Gentiles who did not have the Law - that is, they did not carry any Bible with them? Romans 2:14 - "Those who are not Jews don't have the law. But when they naturally do what the law commands without even knowing the law, then they are their own law. This is true even though they don't have the written law." (ERV)

If you cannot believe anything religious until it is found in the Bible, that's fine - it still does not mean that it is only in the Bible that one finds all religious or spiritual truths. Sorry, but that's a fact that good-headed folks do not argue against.

If your problem is about the labelling or ascribing cruelty to God, there's no problem with that. You don't even need the doctrine of hell or hellfire or lake of fire or whatnots for that label. What about God's command in the Old Testament to kill women and children? The labelling you're worried about started long before the New Testament - and NO, that is not a "religious truth" from outside the Bible - it is found in your Bible, read it in Deuteronomy 3:6.

sexkillz:
GOOD! So what now is the origin of the word HELLFIRE according to you! I have mine!

sexkillz:
GOOD means i acknowledged your response! So who evaded the question then?

Hope you arent an atheist though, i've had enough of those DUMB GUYS!