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Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fujiyama: 6:51pm On Jan 10, 2023
grandstar:
What is the big deal about respecting the sensitivity of Muslims in not drawing a portrait of Mohammed? Is it so much to ask?

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Go over the news report again.

Prof Lopez didn't draw a portrait of Mohammed.

grandstar:
Free speech shouldn't be abused to debase the beliefs of others. Even the Bible urges us to take into consideration of the consciences of others. This is one fine example

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For some reason you have brought the Christian bible into this discussion. What does the Bible have to do with this matter? undecided
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fujiyama: 7:04pm On Jan 10, 2023
etrange:
I don't think presenting "non conforming" scholarly artifacts is tantamount to being stupid. I believe it depends on the origin of the painting and how she presented it. She's in the academia, so if there's a renowned painting in a reputable museum that a certain school of thought believe to be that of the prophet, it's the duty of a scholar to study it, document it and keep the record as "a painting claimed to be that of the prophet". This is regardless of whether she actually believes it herself or not. In some fields, you don't just teach your personal believes but other people's arguments too. After all, many religious people have been made to argue for and against the existence of God in philosophy classes. Our Christian teachers were forced to teach us Charles Darwin's theory of evolution even though they didn't believe it.

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Succintly put. Which makes your comments below all the more confusing.

etrange:
It's all a matter how the teacher presented it. If the school had problems with her, it's probably cause she categorically stated and probably insisted that was his real picture.

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From the information in the public domain at least - you have nothing to support your assertions above. How can you (correctly) state that its all a matter of how the teacher presented it - and then claim she "probably" presented the information in a certain way? You don't have the facts. Have you seen the presentation or the lecture slides? undecided
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by shomutuski(m): 7:09pm On Jan 10, 2023
MrPRevailer:


Show me one Christian that has killed in the name of his religion, I will show you 100,000 Muslims that have killed in the name of Allah.
Shouting Allahu Akbar.
You can go to liveleaks video and watch your brothers.

And why not? because killing infidels and apostates is commanded by Allah in Quran. And in the Hadith, there are sufficient examples from Mohammed and his companions.
Contrarywise, Christians are commanded to love their enemies and never retaliate.
More importantly, all the apostles of Jesus showed that example.


I’m not here to answer you! If you look closely at yourself, you are already looking like whoever you are describing. Someone that has never read the Quran telling whats inside from google, like the christian crusaders never killed or the Bible Old Testament did not mention about killings.

Go and seek happiness, regardless of what you say I am happy, my family is happy, we good.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by glorification(m): 7:13pm On Jan 10, 2023
Birniwa:
The problem with these pigs practicing this ill-conceived and half-baked religion called Christianity more especially the Nigerian goats is that they lack manners and respect for other faiths.

Muslims anywhere they are, will never insult other faiths, it's a teaching from the Holy Quran. Why can't you just learn from this excellent teaching but instead you jump into attacks anywhere you see a topic of discourse about Islam or Muslims.

Now look at what people with sense like America are doing to protect others. They think the teacher (as a Christian) has no right to attack any other faith and so, resorted to firing her instead. However, some adulterated pigs here in Nigeria are ranting that they should ban Muslims from entering their country. You probably do not think holy of your gods and do not care if any one insults them. Keep calm, no Muslim will ever engage in such nonsense with you.

Do you have to turn the entire place into a bedlam to make your points ?
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Kdon2: 7:31pm On Jan 10, 2023
babz11:


Your pain how many of ur family member is dead?

Terrorist
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by nazicartel(m): 7:32pm On Jan 10, 2023
MrPRevailer:



Make your post more meaningful or spicy by adding this link. Islam is a religion of peace.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
They are all terrorists. Peace my ass
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by etrange: 7:41pm On Jan 10, 2023
Fujiyama:


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Succintly put. Which makes your comments below all the more confusing.



^^^
From the information in the public domain at least - you have nothing to support your assertions above. How can you (correctly) state that its all a matter of how the teacher presented it - and then claim she "probably" presented the information in a certain way? You don't have the facts. Have you seen the presentation or the lecture slides? undecided

I don't have the facts, isn't that what the word "probably" is supposed to indicate?
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Originalsly: 7:58pm On Jan 10, 2023
Fujiyama:


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What is academic freedom?


In academia.... same as freedom of speech. Does freedom of speech have boundaries?.... or one is free to say what he wants to when he wants to? Apply same to academic freedom.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Calicoe: 8:03pm On Jan 10, 2023
Olamilekxy:


Someone called you atuuru.

Whats the meaning abeg?
In my language (ika) it means sheep

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Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by zoedew: 8:21pm On Jan 10, 2023
muykem:
America needs to be careful of Islam. They will be playing good citizens, innocent and victims of society intolerance until they get sizeable number of disciples and you start seeing bombing, killing and terrorism.
Taqqiya.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Sweetvie: 9:15pm On Jan 10, 2023
Interesting thread smiley
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fujiyama: 9:28pm On Jan 10, 2023
etrange:


I don't have the facts, isn't that what the word "probably" is supposed to indicate?

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The word 'probably' means 'likely'. It was your use of the word 'probably' that gave an entirely different meaning to your comments. Until audio or video evidence of the lecture and slides are made available, none of us here can really say exactly how Prof Lopez presented the information.

The information in the news write up indicates though that she understood the sensitivity of the issue. It seems she made clear to her students that her lecture wanted to examine the paintings and depictions of Mohammed from ancient times - paintings and depictions that actually do exist.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Oches4me(m): 9:31pm On Jan 10, 2023
muykem:
America needs to be careful of Islam. They will be playing good citizens, innocent and victims of society intolerance until they get sizeable number of disciples and you start seeing bombing, killing and terrorism.
U are mentally deranged.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by blaise26abj(m): 9:33pm On Jan 10, 2023
MeineMutter:
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Is it on the curriculum? Is that a good example to use? Having PhD or being a professor does not make you an intellect. All you have your PhD on is just a fraction of an atom of intellectualism.

Even Muslims can’t allow you Jesus Christ any bad name. If you doubt me, go and try that in the Muslim countries.
I will still mention Christ, our saviour’s name at any time. Jesus Christ no be your papa. And defending him or not defending him can’t take you to heaven. So don’t play holy card here. Alagbere, oloti, oni pan shaga, ole, oni irin are, okanjua, opuro, odale, ika, oni jibiti ati beebe lo.

As you typed, you know the evil that you have committed, or the one you are committing, or the one you will commit.
Don’t you tell lies, backbite, fornicate, drink, bet, steal, scam, connive to steal or do evil, cheat etc?
Deal with any of those that you could be suffering from, firstly, before you start defending Jesus Christ.
Religious bigots. That’s why you want to d.ie because of Muslim-Muslim ticket in Nigeria’s coming presidential election. Deal with it.
You expect too much from someone or you take someone for granted. That’s how you know who’s not tolerant. Respect anybody for his or her faith. Don’t cross the line.

Go and see how they practice Islam in UAE, Qatar, Oman, Saudi, Kuwait and other countries where they follow what their God said and you would love the religion. Don’t think the way poorer nations practice Islam is the way Islam is. I have gone to their countries and I have seen things for my self.
They tolerate Muslims more than we Christians tolerate Muslims.

God knows the evil your fathers and forefathers perpetrated (and are perpetrating) to cheat and skim out Muslims from so many things in Nigeria, from admission to unis, to posts at work, to other opportunities. Yet, you still see that as part of what Christianity preaches.

Pot, calling kettle black. Religion defender. You will be surprised to find yourself in he_ll fire in that day.

All you have written is so disjointed and so off point . Defending Christ , sin , professorship, UAE ( Muslim countries tolerating Muslims more than Christians . That’s like saying Igbos tolerate Igbos more than yoruba tolerate Igbos ).
Chairman , I no discuss again . Thanks for the one we’ve had already .

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Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fujiyama: 9:37pm On Jan 10, 2023
Originalsly:


In academia.... same as freedom of speech. Does freedom of speech have boundaries?.... or one is free to say what he wants to when he wants to? Apply same to academic freedom.

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Yes...freedom of speech does have boundaries. These boundaries vary in practice from country to country. The question is: did the professor exceed those boundaries as set in the laws of the country in which she was living and working?

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Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by etrange: 9:45pm On Jan 10, 2023
Fujiyama:


^^^
The word 'probably' means 'likely'. It was your use of the word 'probably' that gave an entirely different meaning to your comments. Until audio or video evidence of the lecture and slides are made available, none of us here can really say exactly how Prof Lopez presented the information.

The information in the news write up indicates though that she understood the sensitivity of the issue. It seems she made clear to her students that her lecture wanted to examine the paintings and depictions of Mohammed from ancient times - paintings and depictions that actually do exist.

I said "probably" because the school refused to extend her contract, and US schools aren't known to let religious inclinations come in the way of education. So if they went out of thier way to do it, then it's likely she presented it in a certain way. This is hypothetical and it's regardless whatever was reported by Sahara. We've all been alive long enough to know that the media will always report in way that elicit whatever emotional response they want from thier audience. After all, they said the teacher was sacked when it was her contract that wasn't extended. I'm not supporting anyone, I'm just saying the things that could have happened.

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Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fujiyama: 10:16pm On Jan 10, 2023
etrange:


I said "probably" because the school refused to extend her contract, and US schools aren't known to let religious inclinations come in the way of education. So if they went out of thier way to do it, then it's likely she presented in a certain way. This is hypothetical and it regardless whatever was reported by Sahara. We've been alive long enough to know that the media will always report in way that elicit whatever emotional response they want from thier audience. After all, they said the teacher was sacked when it was contract that wasn't extended. I'm not supporting anyone, I'm just saying the things that could have happened.

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Ok. Fair enough.

It is an interesting case though. I'll follow it through and see how it ends.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by MeineMutter: 10:24pm On Jan 10, 2023
blaise26abj:


All you have written is so disjointed and so off point . Defending Christ , sin , professorship, UAE ( Muslim countries tolerating Muslims more than Christians . That’s like saying Igbos tolerate Igbos more than yoruba tolerate Igbos ).
Chairman , I no discuss again . Thanks for the one we’ve had already .

It would be off point to retards like you. Baby goat.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Originalsly: 10:36pm On Jan 10, 2023
Fujiyama:


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Yes...freedom of speech does have boundaries. These boundaries vary in practice from country to country. The question is: did the professor exceed those boundaries as set in the laws of the country in which she was living and working?


The country is USA ... Hamline the university. They have their own limits on academic freedom .... some universities are very liberal .... some are not. They believe she overstepped since depicting an image of Muhammed is blasphemy to most ... not all ... most Muslims and such can have devastating repercussions to the university and community. What will you think will happen to a professor at Covenant University if he decides to illustrate a point by posting porn? .... never mind he posted explicit content warning before? Do you think he would be within the boundaries of academic freedom?
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Fearyourcreator: 10:51pm On Jan 10, 2023
waledeji:
You always comment on every thread on nairaland. Are you this jobless
Lolzzzs... Abeg help us find work for him...
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by MrPRevailer(m): 12:39am On Jan 11, 2023
shomutuski:


I’m not here to answer you! If you look closely at yourself, you are already looking like whoever you are describing. Someone that has never read the Quran telling whats inside from google, like the christian crusaders never killed or the Bible Old Testament did not mention about killings.

Go and seek happiness, regardless of what you say I am happy, my family is happy, we good.

You judge a religion by what it's founders do, not by what it's disciples do.

Christian crusaders whatever you call them are in violation of Christian code if they acted violently against any man. On the otherhand, Jihadists are simply carrying out their religious duties given to them by Allah and his companions in Quran and Hadiths.

Mohammed and his companions tore an old woman into two using two camels. That's not only violent but bloody evil.
The earlier you critically think and judge righteously, the better for you.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by MrPRevailer(m): 12:42am On Jan 11, 2023
nazicartel:
They are all terrorists. Peace my ass

Haba! atleast check the website to see what its about now grin
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by shomutuski(m): 12:45am On Jan 11, 2023
MrPRevailer:


You judge a religion by what it's founders do, not by what it's disciples do.

Christian crusaders whatever you call them are in violation of Christian code if they acted violently against any man. On the otherhand, Jihadists are simply carrying out their religious duties given to them by Allah and his companions in Quran and Hadiths.

Mohammed and his companions tore an old woman into two using two camels. That's not only violent but bloody evil.
The earlier you critically think and judge righteously, the better for you.

Na you sabi ooo
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by MrPRevailer(m): 1:30am On Jan 11, 2023
shomutuski:


Na you sabi ooo

You can watch debates. Christian Prince is very vast in Arabic, Quran and Hadiths. So many Muslims, have challenged him. None could win him. They ended up converting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-XekoTU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0PfjChPLA
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by freshkpomo(m): 1:46am On Jan 11, 2023
Gandrova:
You and your likes will one day drink poison and die. Islam is the fastest growing Religion in the world, despite the hatred for it.
Know this and have peace of mind or find the nearest lagoon and dive in.
He said the truth you are displaying your stupidity online

what is my Business if Islam us growing? The Jews slaughter you like flies but you are only powerful against christians who believe in leaving their battle to God.

You frame and kill christians, you form terror groups and start fighting a war where there is non, all for 70 virgins that yuu can fvck here in earth and still have Jara. Dummies, leave that religion alone. Islam belongs in the Forest with wild animals and not with humans who have brains.. The last time you beheaded a teacher in France for similar offense. Just dump on page of Quran in a street and see how Muslim animals will go wild like convulsing dogs because of a story book about a fictional character. Me nor say make who want cry nor cry, my own be say make una face Una bloody cult group in your bloody supremacy battle....
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by uche393: 4:20am On Jan 11, 2023
other religion extremists should be dealt with in same manner
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by HitSong: 5:17am On Jan 11, 2023
PrinceOfLagos:
Dem wan carry there extremism to America

Before you know it, they will start throwing bombs
Ho low ree buu ruu kuu
Princeoffools

Please I have a question,
Why are OSU JEW PIGS so senseless?
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by HitSong: 5:17am On Jan 11, 2023
muykem:
America needs to be careful of Islam. They will be playing good citizens, innocent and victims of society intolerance until they get sizeable number of disciples and you start seeing bombing, killing and terrorism.
Bornfool
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by shomutuski(m): 5:58am On Jan 11, 2023
MrPRevailer:


You can watch debates. Christian Prince is very vast in Arabic, Quran and Hadiths. So many Muslims, have challenged him. None could win him. They ended up converting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC-XekoTU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap0PfjChPLA


Oga free me nah abeg.
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by MDK777: 7:24am On Jan 11, 2023
[quote author=MDK777 post=119882745][/quote] just say Amen so that you won't one day end up being decapitated
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by Tegabadguy(m): 11:00am On Jan 11, 2023
gimakon2:

Freedom of Religion, and not allowing people like muslims feel inferior, na why the stupid girl feel like say fire day her nonsense head.
Abi
Re: U.S. Professor Fired For Showing Paintings Of Prophet Muhammad To Students by blaise26abj(m): 12:36pm On Jan 11, 2023
MeineMutter:


It would be off point to retards like you. Baby goat.

Lol . E pain you ni ? Seems your parents trained you so well l. They must be proud of you and your online comments . O wuwa omoluabi raaraa .

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