What was the last straw that proved it was all a lie and you left over? Make comments and tell your story. I’d love to hear from all of you. Reference any specific verses you realized were a lie or mistranslated on purpose by Christian’s.

I'll start..

Numbers 31: 17-18

Mine was Understanding Isaiah 53 properly.....and that God hates human sacrificing....including the sacrificing of jesus. That was enough for me. I have a much better connection with my Creator now..

And also...All of Paul's letters.

sonmvayina:
Mine was Understanding Isaiah 53 properly.....and that God hates human sacrificing....including the sacrificing of jesus. That was enough for me. I have a much better connection with my Creator now..

And also...All of Paul's letters.

You don't understand Isa. 53 & all of Paul's letters, or you don't agree with them?

Just like all misinformed churchgoers you were never one of Jesus' disciples (Christians)

sonmvayina:
Mine was Understanding Isaiah 53 properly.....and that God hates human sacrificing....including the sacrificing of jesus. That was enough for me. I have a much better connection with my Creator now..

And also...All of Paul's letters.

MaxInDHouse:
Just like all misinformed churchgoers you were never one of Jesus' disciples (Christians)

The whole concept of jesus and Christianity is paganism...don't you understand?

I don't know how else to break it down..

Arkmanbuddy:



You don't understand Isa. 53 & all of Paul's letters, or you don't agree with them?

I sure do sir...and it is not talking about jesus..because it is not a messianic prophesy..

You want me to go on..?

sonmvayina:


I sure do sir...and it is not talking about jesus..because it is not a messianic prophesy..

You want me to go on..?

Please go on because I want to know how you can prove your point that it's not a messianic prophecy.

Arkmanbuddy:



Please go on because I want to know how you can prove your point that it's not a messianic prophecy.

ISAIAH 53: REASONS WHY JESUS IS NOT THE SUFFERING SERVANT

THE TEXT: ISAIAH 52:13-53:12

13. Behold, My servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high.

14. According as many were appalled at you–so marred was his appearance unlike that of a man, and his form unlike that of the sons of men.

15. So shall he startle many nations, kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them shall they see, and that which they had not heard shall they perceive.

Who would have believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For he grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry land; he had no form nor comeliness that we should look upon him, nor appearance that we should delight in him.
He was despised, and rejected of men [e-shim: “men of high status”], a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; but we considered him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded as a result of our transgressions, he was crushed as a result of our iniquities. The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wounds we were healed.
All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has visited upon him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; and opened not his mouth.
From dominion and judgment he was taken away, and his life’s history who is able to relate? For he was cut off out of the land of the living; as a result of the transgression of my people he has been afflicted.
And his grave was set with the wicked, and with the rich in his deaths; although he had done no violence, neither was there any deceit in his mouth.
And it pleased the Lord to crush him–He made [him] sick. If he would offer himself as a guilt-offering, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days. And the purpose of the Lord will prosper by his hand.
From the labor of his soul he shall see; he shall be satisfied. With his knowledge, the righteous one, my servant, shall cause many to be just. And their iniquities he shall bear.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he had poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Herein we concentrate on showing why Isaiah 53 does not refer to Jesus. In countering Christian claims concerning the Suffering Servant passage it is really sidestepping the issue to discuss if it refers to the coming Messiah or national Israel. Significant though it is to establish this identification the conversation with Christianity is really about their claims concerning Jesus.

In developing the Jesus myth several traditions developed among distinct groups of followers of what was eventually called Christianity. Various strains of tradition were brought together in forming the New Testament. They were not uniform in their message as each told the Jesus story from the perspective of its own community needs. Isaiah’s Suffering Servant played a decisive role in forming the Jesus myth among certain Christian groups. It provided an outline to guide them in describing what they imagined Jesus’ ministry to have been. There is no doubt that the New Testament authors had the suffering servant in mind in developing their respective works. But this does not prove Jesus is the servant. In the traditions coming down to them concerning Jesus they did not fully eliminate the contradictions between the description of the servant and the description of Jesus. As a result, we are still able to get a glimpse of why Jesus is not the servant from their very own writings.

“Behold My Servant”

sonmvayina:


ISAIAH 53: REASONS WHY JESUS IS NOT THE SUFFERING SERVANT

THE TEXT: ISAIAH 52:13-53:12

13. Behold, My servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high.

14. According as many were appalled at you–so marred was his appearance unlike that of a man, and his form unlike that of the sons of men.

15. So shall he startle many nations, kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them shall they see, and that which they had not heard shall they perceive.

Who would have believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For he grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry land; he had no form nor comeliness that we should look upon him, nor appearance that we should delight in him.
He was despised, and rejected of men [e-shim: “men of high status”], a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; but we considered him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded as a result of our transgressions, he was crushed as a result of our iniquities. The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wounds we were healed.
All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has visited upon him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; and opened not his mouth.
From dominion and judgment he was taken away, and his life’s history who is able to relate? For he was cut off out of the land of the living; as a result of the transgression of my people he has been afflicted.
And his grave was set with the wicked, and with the rich in his deaths; although he had done no violence, neither was there any deceit in his mouth.
And it pleased the Lord to crush him–He made [him] sick. If he would offer himself as a guilt-offering, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days. And the purpose of the Lord will prosper by his hand.
From the labor of his soul he shall see; he shall be satisfied. With his knowledge, the righteous one, my servant, shall cause many to be just. And their iniquities he shall bear.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he had poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Herein we concentrate on showing why Isaiah 53 does not refer to Jesus. In countering Christian claims concerning the Suffering Servant passage it is really sidestepping the issue to discuss if it refers to the coming Messiah or national Israel. Significant though it is to establish this identification the conversation with Christianity is really about their claims concerning Jesus.

In developing the Jesus myth several traditions developed among distinct groups of followers of what was eventually called Christianity. Various strains of tradition were brought together in forming the New Testament. They were not uniform in their message as each told the Jesus story from the perspective of its own community needs. Isaiah’s Suffering Servant played a decisive role in forming the Jesus myth among certain Christian groups. It provided an outline to guide them in describing what they imagined Jesus’ ministry to have been. There is no doubt that the New Testament authors had the suffering servant in mind in developing their respective works. But this does not prove Jesus is the servant. In the traditions coming down to them concerning Jesus they did not fully eliminate the contradictions between the description of the servant and the description of Jesus. As a result, we are still able to get a glimpse of why Jesus is not the servant from their very own writings.

“Behold My Servant”

Why the epistle sir?

So, you base your belief on the writing of someone whose article has no proof whatsoever? Unbelievable!

The writer clearly said the "New Testament writers" based their knowledge of Christ on Isaiah 53. What does that even mean? So you're saying the different accounts about the life of Christ, written by several people, were based on the book of Isaiah 53? Even his disciples who weren't literate? Or are you saying that some people just sat somewhere and wrote the books, even Pauline doctrine all by themselves and called it the New Testament?


I actually thought you'd come up with proven facts, biblically or historically why you think the way you do, not this nonsense writeup that says nothing actually.



Shalom.

Arkmanbuddy:



Why the epistle sir?

So, you base your belief on the writing of someone whose article has no proof whatsoever? Unbelievable!

The writer clearly said the "New Testament writers" based their knowledge of Christ on Isaiah 53. What does that even mean? So you're saying the different accounts about the life of Christ, written by several people, were based on the book of Isaiah 53? Even his disciples who weren't literate? Or are you saying that some people just sat somewhere and wrote the books, even Pauline doctrine all by themselves and called it the New Testament?


I actually thought you'd come up with proven facts, biblically or historically why you think the way you do, not this nonsense writeup that says nothing actually.



Shalom.

Did you bother reading and comprehending it?

No I guess...

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. The servant is suffering because of what is being done to him. And about 8 times prior to 53 Isaiah told us that God's servant is Israel...

Prove me wrong..

sonmvayina:


Did you bother reading and comprehending it?

No I guess...

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. The servant is suffering because of what is being done to him. And about 8 times prior to 53 Isaiah told us that God's servant is Israel...

Prove me wrong..

"But he was wounded as a result of our transgressions, he was crushed as a result of our iniquities. The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wounds we were healed.

All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has visited upon him the iniquity of us all."


So you say Israel was wounded and crushed for the sins of the whole world? You're actually saying that the sins of the world were visisted on Israel, right?


Na wa for you o! People who don't read the scriptures to understand but would rely on rubbish written by confused people who think they know more than others are actually one of the problems of Christianity.

That passage clearly speaks of Christ, even Isaiah 9. Everything was fulfilled on the cross. By the way, the 2 chapters I mentioned are poetic descriptions of Jesus Christ. If you read your Bible well, you'd understand.

Well where do I start from?


1. Is it discovering the 100+ contradictions in the Bible?

https://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm

https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBAttachments/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible.pdf

2. Or the fact that gods supposed holy book approves of slavery?

https://www.learnreligions.com/the-bible-race-and-slavery-3893539

3. Or the fact that gods supposed word was chosen by humans. YES! human beings wrote and selected the books of the Bible that we know today. The scriptures are more than just 66 books.

https://pennbookcenter.com/how-many-books-were-removed-from-the-bible/

Is it realising how the concept of heaven and hell is immoral and only depicts a largely unintelligent or incompetent god? Or realising that no evidence has been provided for god till date? And it is actually unreasonable to believe in the Abrahamic god if you think about it critically?

I can't say which one did it for me.

My deconversion was mostly gradual.

I think you guys should just move on and try to live a good life. That's what really matters.

We've been scammed by religion but if care isn't taken, a Christian or Muslim will enjoy life better than you a non-theist.

Quit crying over spilt milk.


To answer your question. It's the fact that people get sent to eternity of flame and fire for committing a sin in less than 100 years.

Funny thing is, the sin could be as small as stealing meat from your own mother's pot of soup.

sonmvayina:

The whole concept of jesus and Christianity is paganism...don't you understand? I don't know how else to break it down..

Says you!

sonmvayina:


Did you bother reading and comprehending it?

No I guess...

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant. The servant is suffering because of what is being done to him. And about 8 times prior to 53 Isaiah told us that God's servant is Israel...

Prove me wrong..

you are very wrong. Isaiah 53 is very clear. It speaks of the identity, mission, appearance suffering of the messiah in the future. All these were fulfilled in the NT. He was short and ugly in appearance that ppl hardly associate with him. His face can scare you. A typical example of a black man from west of afra. The irony of it all is that the vatican gave the ignorant churchians their son. A sisi looking handsome oyibo with palmed hair. They even made images for them they put in their churches and homes. So isaiah 53 help you know the appearance of the true messiah. It exposes the fact that jesus is an impostor messiah. Isreal was first a person before it became a people. It is the name of sm1

bobestman:
you are very wrong. Isaiah 53 is very clear. It speaks of the identity, mission, appearance suffering of the messiah in the future. All these were fulfilled in the NT. He was short and ugly in appearance that ppl hardly associate with him. His face can scare you. A typical example of a black man from west of afra. The irony of it all is that the vatican gave the ignorant churchians their son. A sisi looking handsome oyibo with palmed hair. They even made images for them they put in their churches and homes. So isaiah 53 help you know the appearance of the true messiah. It exposes the fact that jesus is an impostor messiah.

You should look up the origin of the word “messiah” and how it is used in the Old Testament.

Isreal is a name of a person. In a forgoten hebrew language, isreal is isi ra ele. Head/first son/sun of God. The messiah is the first of God's sons. Islam call him israfil. So God's servants is both the messiah and his ppl. The messiah is their leader just like every group has their head

bobestman:
Isreal is a name of a person. In a forgoten hebrew language, isreal is isi ra ele. Head/first son/sun of God. The messiah is the first of God's sons. Islam call him israfil. So God's servants is both the messiah and his ppl. The messiah is their leader just like every group has their head

There’s no “forgotten” hebrew language that names isreal as what you said.
IsraEL means wrestled with EL.

Look up the word “messiah” which is also an hebrew word.

Maynman:


There’s no “forgotten” hebrew language that names isreal as what you said.
IsraEL means wrestled with EL.

Look up the word “messiah” which is also an hebrew word.

it is just a title but i prefer it. I speak of deep things from pre-history not in your current history full of errors. I talk of spiritual isreal not the physical on the book. The first light. The brightest one. The firstborn of all things seen and unseen. I don't waste time with anthiests. I send them to go make peace with God. You need to know the king of mysteries before you can understand mysteries

To Live Long You Have To Survive This

Apostle Joshua Selman

Listen And Learn


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ln3Wvgomx8

Arkmanbuddy:



You don't understand Isa. 53 & all of Paul's letters, or you don't agree with them?

I think you did not understand the chapter at all. If you,, you would still remain a christian

sonmvayina:


The whole concept of jesus and Christianity is paganism...don't you understand?

I don't know how else to break it down..

What is meaning of paganism?
Your inability to rightly break down the word (confusion, not understanding) made you to leave

sonmvayina:


ISAIAH 53: REASONS WHY JESUS IS NOT THE SUFFERING SERVANT

THE TEXT: ISAIAH 52:13-53:12

13. Behold, My servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high.

14. According as many were appalled at you–so marred was his appearance unlike that of a man, and his form unlike that of the sons of men.

15. So shall he startle many nations, kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which had not been told them shall they see, and that which they had not heard shall they perceive.

Who would have believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For he grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry land; he had no form nor comeliness that we should look upon him, nor appearance that we should delight in him.
He was despised, and rejected of men [e-shim: “men of high status”], a man of pains, and acquainted with disease, and as one from whom men hide their face: he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely our diseases he did bear, and our pains he carried; but we considered him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded as a result of our transgressions, he was crushed as a result of our iniquities. The chastisement of our welfare was upon him, and with his wounds we were healed.
All we like sheep did go astray, we turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has visited upon him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, though he humbled himself and opened not his mouth; as a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep that before her shearers is dumb; and opened not his mouth.
From dominion and judgment he was taken away, and his life’s history who is able to relate? For he was cut off out of the land of the living; as a result of the transgression of my people he has been afflicted.
And his grave was set with the wicked, and with the rich in his deaths; although he had done no violence, neither was there any deceit in his mouth.
And it pleased the Lord to crush him–He made [him] sick. If he would offer himself as a guilt-offering, he shall see seed, he shall prolong days. And the purpose of the Lord will prosper by his hand.
From the labor of his soul he shall see; he shall be satisfied. With his knowledge, the righteous one, my servant, shall cause many to be just. And their iniquities he shall bear.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the mighty; because he had poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Herein we concentrate on showing why Isaiah 53 does not refer to Jesus. In countering Christian claims concerning the Suffering Servant passage it is really sidestepping the issue to discuss if it refers to the coming Messiah or national Israel. Significant though it is to establish this identification the conversation with Christianity is really about their claims concerning Jesus.

In developing the Jesus myth several traditions developed among distinct groups of followers of what was eventually called Christianity. Various strains of tradition were brought together in forming the New Testament. They were not uniform in their message as each told the Jesus story from the perspective of its own community needs. Isaiah’s Suffering Servant played a decisive role in forming the Jesus myth among certain Christian groups. It provided an outline to guide them in describing what they imagined Jesus’ ministry to have been. There is no doubt that the New Testament authors had the suffering servant in mind in developing their respective works. But this does not prove Jesus is the servant. In the traditions coming down to them concerning Jesus they did not fully eliminate the contradictions between the description of the servant and the description of Jesus. As a result, we are still able to get a glimpse of why Jesus is not the servant from their very own writings.

“Behold My Servant”

Hmmmḿm

bobestman:
Isreal is a name of a person. In a forgoten hebrew language, isreal is isi ra ele. Head/first son/sun of God. The messiah is the first of God's sons. Islam call him israfil. So God's servants is both the messiah and his ppl. The messiah is their leader just like every group has their head

Haaa!!!!!!

MaxInDHouse:


Says you!

Good morning Sir.

You see why I took a break? I discovered that there are many on this platform who are confused and there is no need discussing with them.
Such as this fellow and kobojunkie


I asked kobojunkie which sect he belonged to, I am a pentecostal, she has not, unlike her, responsed for Moe than a day now.

No clearcut doctrinal leaning.

I would rather discuss with likes of Antichristian who is completely in darkness trying to criticize light.

That is just what I will be doing.

Have a great day.

Remember what i use to tell you before the close to 2021:
Each person is forming his/her own opinion on who Jesus of Nazareth is just as those who saw him did back in the first century! Matthew 16:13-14
Most people even concluded that he's just a nuisance! John 10:20
But what did the true God did to show the one and only group He is backing with the Holy Spirit?
Well God answered Jesus' prayers regarding pure worship {John 17:22} so that those practicing it were well organized and orderly doing the will of God as one family {Isaiah 2:2-4} and out of all the religions in the first century Jesus' disciples stood out as unique {Act 11:26} just as Jesus foretold about them! Act 1:8

So in the same manner ask any of these people to present the group of worshipers practicing what they're trying to say because each person will continue to argue claiming that everyone around them is insanely practicing what is wrong but why can't the spirit of the God they're talking about organize it's worshipers just as the God of Israel always do in time past? Act 2:42; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are well Organized and orderly practicing what they're saying because the spirit of their God is in their midst! Micah 4:5

MightySparrow:

Hmmmḿm

MightySparrow:

Haaa!!!!!!

MightySparrow:



I think you did not understand the chapter at all. If you,, you would still remain a christian

Ogbeni, I was replying someone who said they didn't understand. Stop rushing to comment before reading.

MightySparrow:

Good morning Sir.
You see why I took a break? I discovered that there are many on this platform who are confused and there is no need discussing with them.
Such as this fellow and kobojunkie
I asked kobojunkie which sect he belonged to, I am a pentecostal, she has not, unlike her, responsed for Moe than a day now.
No clearcut doctrinal leaning.
I would rather discuss with likes of Antichristian who is completely in darkness trying to criticize light.
That is just what I will be doing.
Have a great day.

What is the difference between a pentecostal and members of other churches?

bobestman:
it is just a title but i prefer it. I speak of deep things from pre-history not in your current history full of errors. I talk of spiritual isreal not the physical on the book. The first light. The brightest one. The firstborn of all things seen and unseen. I don't waste time with anthiests. I send them to go make peace with God. You need to know the king of mysteries before you can understand mysteries

Give me link to where you read your own pre-history? Is it farther than neolitic period?
You should know the meaning of the words you are using so as not to delude yourself into “mystery”.
God from Gudan, which means “one to whom sacrifices are made”, how did you make peace with dummy idols?

MaxInDHouse:


What is the difference between a pentecostal and members of other churches?

Which one did Jesus created?

Maynman:


Give me link to where you read your own pre-history? Is it farther than neolitic period?
You should know the meaning of the words you are using so as not to delude yourself into “mystery”.
God from Gudan, which means “one to whom sacrifices are made”, how did you make peace with dummy idols?

Those names are just titles. That is also what ppl are familiar with here. True names and history will come at a certain time. Go and cure yourself from antheism and the truth will make sense to you. You can't teach about an entity you have no knowledge of or believe in