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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by charlsecy(m): 8:36pm On Mar 22, 2023
babyfaceafrica:
Are FCT citizens greater than other citizens?
That's not the object of this thread. Consider what the law says.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by okuta007: 8:45pm On Mar 22, 2023
27Pushing30:


Go and read and stop embarassing yourself...

NOBODY cares about popular vote in the US... two third isn't even a term used in US elections. The electoral college sef is just a ratifying body.

The US uses a POINTS System each state has allocated points and once you get to a certain score you have won because no one else can catch up. That is why US Networks CALL the winner of an election 5 days before official announcement by the E.C.

Ignorance na disease


shorrop there - ozuor
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Starz825(m): 8:58pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:
This exactly what will throw this country into and avoidable Flow of blood.

If they dare to overlook the Constitution of FCT 25%.

We are patiently waiting for the court, the tension don over mature.

Na spark we dey wait for.
Dey deceive yourself

Tbh...I dislike people who type like this....flow of blood for your family house or where

Atiku/obi/tinubu win or lose court case...nothing go happen...

Talking rubbish
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by johannu(m): 9:01pm On Mar 22, 2023
Stanweezy:
From what Festus Okoye said

It is left for INEC chairman to interpret that clause but if candidate needs more clarification he or she should go to court

Interesting days ahead

Festus Okoye saying it is left for INEC chairman to interpret that clause is nonsense talk. The problem is that the INEC chairman may choose to interpret the clause as it suits him, either to favour or disfavour a candidate. It is for the court to decide.

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by NOETHNICITY(m): 9:18pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:


Go and ask WAEC how English language take get two head, for them to say you must pass it before you pass your WAEC.

If you get 8 A's in WAEC and fail English, you failed.

English language is to WAEC what FCT is to Presidential Election, una go dey alright Las Las grin

The key phrase, "And the FCT"

If FCT is a state, why would they have to add the conjunction, and?

They gave it an exclusivity, hence the And

We are waiting for them!!
Are you Obidients really this dumb and daft?
So you mean to say that even if someone wins all 36 states of the fed and loses the FCT, the person who wins the FCT should be declared winner.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by saudatu(m): 9:28pm On Mar 22, 2023
Throwback:


They gave it And because it is not a state but a member component of Nigeria's geography. No comma before the and to make it a seperate consideration.

As it cannot be mentioned as a state, it has to be mentioned by its own name.

So in total, 37 geographical components.

Oil full your head bruh. You too know book.

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by adanny01(m): 9:30pm On Mar 22, 2023
SmartPolician:
That FCT 25% NONSENSE sounds absurd to me. FCT is often separated from the 36 states because it's a territory, not a state (they cannot call it 37 states). However, as far as the election is concerned, FCT is like every other state in the country.

BTW, if Peter Obi is hoping to use that as basis to upturn Tinubu's sham victory, then I am afraid he has no case against the Druggie because it won't work.

Ask yourself why Obj won election twice without winning FCT, same with Buhari.

Don't put hope on that.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by kenechukwuori(m): 9:41pm On Mar 22, 2023
seunmsg:
There is no confusion anywhere. That someone filed a case in court doesn’t mean he’s right. The case is simply a waste of time and will be trashed. Section 299 of the Constitution is as clear as daylight.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by kenechukwuori(m): 9:42pm On Mar 22, 2023
Even someone doesn't know anything will interpret law now...
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Babinski: 10:47pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:
Its more like.

For you to pass WAEC, you must pass 5 subjects, and English language.

For you to win Presidential Election, you must have 25% in 24 states, and FCT.

They say that FCT is a state, is English not a subject??

We are impatiently waiting for them.

You read the Constitutional provision in Section 134 correctly. However, if you want to interpret it the way you are doing, then it comes into conflict with Section 299 of the Constitution as well as the spriit of the Constitution. Based on your analogy with English Language, it is clear that while it is a subject, it is special and more valued than just any other subject. And that is the truth. Not all subjects are equal in the consideration of WAEC or NECO requirements.

By now it should be clear to you that to attempt to read Section 134 the way you want to interpret it will make the FCT to be on a higher pedestal than any State in the Federation and the votes of its inhabitants to count more and have more value that those cast in other States. That is clearly contrary to Section 299 and the spirit of the Constitution.

Note that the "and FCT" clause in Section 134 was a recent import into the Nigerian Constitution from 1999 and common sense has clearly shown that it cannot be enforced strictly without violating Section 299 and the spirit of the Constitution.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by eebraa(m): 3:56am On Mar 23, 2023
Agbakaoba just want to cause confusion. This is so simple and common sense shall prevail.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by jlinkd78(m): 4:27am On Mar 23, 2023
SenatePresdo:
Its more like.

For you to pass WAEC, you must pass 5 subjects, and English language.

For you to win Presidential Election, you must have 25% in 24 states, and FCT.

They say that FCT is a state, is English not a subject??

We are impatiently waiting for them.
Sense kee u there
U are simply good
Urchins pretending not to know d meaning of 'and'
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by SenatePresdo(m): 6:46am On Mar 23, 2023
Babinski:


You read the Constitutional provision in Section 134 correctly. However, if you want to interpret it the way you are doing, then it comes into conflict with Section 299 of the Constitution as well as the spriit of the Constitution. Based on your analogy with English Language, it is clear that while it is a subject, it is special and more valued than just any other subject. And that is the truth. Not all subjects are equal in the consideration of WAEC or NECO requirements.

By now it should be clear to you that to attempt to read Section 134 the way you want to interpret it will make the FCT to be on a higher pedestal than any State in the Federation and the votes of its inhabitants to count more and have more value that those cast in other States. That is clearly contrary to Section 299 and the spirit of the Constitution.

Note that the "and FCT" clause in Section 134 was a recent import into the Nigerian Constitution from 1999 and common sense has clearly shown that it cannot be enforced strictly without violating Section 299 and the spirit of the Constitution.

They will settle it in court.

(299)
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly.

It said "As if it it was a state" not that it's a state.
That means it doesn't have the same Political value with other states.

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by honeyB2018: 7:20am On Mar 23, 2023
SenatePresdo:


Only untampered Justice can bring peace.

When APC urchins were doing their own, did you call for peace? Did they listen to you?

What makes you think your opinion matters?

When it's time just stay indoors.

You don't know the value of peace, if you know, you will always advocate for it.
As per my opinion, I want to tell you, that it matters. If not, there wouldn't have been provision for comments.You never can tell whose voice will be heard and listened to.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by yaki84: 7:24am On Mar 23, 2023
Mindlog:


In real life, if one had 8 As and failed English language......that 8 As need to be investigated, how you take read pass those subjects?🤔
Exactly, thats why they need to investigate Tinubu how he won those states without having simple 25% for FCT

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by 27Pushing30: 8:02am On Mar 23, 2023
okuta007:



shorrop there - ozuor

Ignorance is bliss

Bask in it ….
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by telleyway: 8:35am On Mar 23, 2023
abdul23:
So we in the FCT have this so much power.
On a second note it's ridiculous. How can Abuja be a compulsory requirement. It's too absurd. No where in the world that happens.

But do you agreed to the fact that 8 credits in o level without English language is a useless results?
If we must believe in Nigerian constitution, then it should be holistic, whether it favours us or not.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Everlastingson: 10:28am On Mar 23, 2023
How on earth can Tinubu claim Nigerians voted for him but couldn't get common 25% votes in Abuja and Lagos? ( in Lagos he got less than 200k votes but stole Obi's votes to reduce the gap). Nigerians did not vote for Tinubu. Therefore he cannot be President.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Babinski: 11:00am On Mar 23, 2023
SenatePresdo:


They will settle it in court.

(299)
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly.

It said "As if it it was a state" not that it's a state.
That means it doesn't have the same Political value with other states.

Section 299 of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria
The provisions of this Constitution shall apply to the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja as if it were one of the States of the Federation; and accordingly -

(a) all the legislative powers, the executive powers and the judicial powers vested in the House of Assembly, the Governor of a State and in the courts of a State shall, respectively, vest in the National Assembly, the President of the Federation and in the courts which by virtue of the foregoing provisions are courts established for the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja;

(b) all the powers referred to in paragraph (a) of this section shall be exercised in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution; and

(c) the provisions of this Constitution pertaining to the matters aforesaid shall be read with such modifications and adaptations as may be reasonably necessary to bring them into conformity with the provisions of this section.

I have reproduced the entire Section 299 here and bolded relevant portions which combined automatically kill the FCT Abuja 25% requirement.

FCT Abuja is not a State but Section 299 mandates that it be treated as if it were one of the States which in simple English can be reframed that FCT Abuja is to be treated as would be the case if it were one of the States. Section 299(c) further allows modifications necessary in the reading of relevant sections of the Constitution to allow conformity with Section 299. That means your attempt to read Section 134 the way you want to read it is automatically a nullity and the Supreme Court will read it the best way to confirm with Section 299 such that FCT Abuja is treated as if it were one of the States of the Federation.

If Peter Obi is basing his case at the Tribunal on Section 134, then he and his Senior Advocates are just wasting their time but the Senior Advocates will get paid any which way!
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by occfx: 5:48pm On Mar 23, 2023
SenatePresdo:
Its more like.

For you to pass WAEC, you must pass 5 subjects, and English language.

For you to win Presidential Election, you must have 25% in 24 states, and FCT.

They say that FCT is a state, is English not a subject??

We are impatiently waiting for them.

Don't mind the Bulaba urchins... Let's see how they will rig English language
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Dijita: 5:59pm On Mar 23, 2023
HeadNigga:
one of the best arguments I have seen. Abuja is not a state. Win 2/3 of all the 36 STATES plus Abuja

I am not a lawyer but I think the language of the law from my perspective can be interpreted in many ways. However, I think the court is going to interpret it that you need 25% from 24 states out of the 36 states. If your 24 states include Abuja i.e. 23 states plus Abuja you won. You will not be deprived if your 25% is from 23 states plus Abuja to make 24 or 24 states without Abuja.
The interpretation people are giving is never going to fly in court. The interpretation people are giving that you have to win 25% of votes in Abuja means that if you win the whole 36 states and did not win 25% in Abuja you cannot be president. There is oddity in the language of the law. The court has the responsibility of interpreting the law and they will interpret it in the way that will benefit majority vote not otherwise. Off course I be can be wrong.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Collins9156(m): 6:17pm On Mar 23, 2023
Ok
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by ThugCheetah(m): 6:25pm On Mar 23, 2023
KanwuliaExtra:
And MADMOOD refused to answer. grin
what can big yash do please??
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by JoshTim: 7:13pm On Mar 23, 2023
johannu:


Festus Okoye saying it is left for INEC chairman to interpret that clause is nonsense talk. The problem is that the INEC chairman may choose to interpret the clause as it suits him, either to favour or disfavour a candidate. It is for the court to decide.

Obi does not have any case

Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by onegig(m): 3:04pm On Sep 06, 2023
onegig:


Lol. If you failed English Language in Primary School that's your problem. I can buy you Queen Prima so you can go back to the basics.

The 36 States and FCT is a list of items . If you have a list of two or more items in English, the last comma is removed and replaced with the conjunction AND.

Example;

-3 States of the Federation and the FCT have declared Friday as public holidays.

Can also be written as below;

- The States of Lagos, Oyo, Ogun and the FCT have declared Friday as public holidays.

Or

The FCT and the States of Lagos, Ogun and Oyo have declared Friday as public holiday.

Other examples

- Please buy bread,milk and cheese.

To list out the 36 states one after the other by their names is absurd when those feature in multiple places in the constitution. Also a list can be arranged anyhow and does not need to have a form. The constitution could list the states Alphabetically starting with Abia,....and Zamfara where FCT would be listed under F. Would this mean someone also has to get 25% in Zamfara or they are not duly elected?

I say it again. Any SAN bringing such up is nothing but deluded and need to return back to English classes. These are beer parlour arguments not fit for a court of law. If i were to be the Judge to preside over this. Would ask the petitioners to go stand under the sun for 1 hour for waste of my time.



https://www.grammarly.com/blog/comma/#:~:text=Serial%20comma%20(Oxford%20comma),comma%20or%20the%20Oxford%20comma.


Even in Legal perspective, the concept of FCT being more equal than other states alone throws away the basic tenents of the Nigerian constitution and citizens rights that states that all Nigerians are equal and have equal rights to freedom of association and religion. Any SAN with common sense should know this but it's not unusual that we like to chase shawdows when we should be focusing on more productive things.



Lol Everyone with a common sense knew this. Honestly Agbakoba should be de-robed for bringing this rubbish up in the first instance. cheesy

Very silly argument to make when the constitution is clear. Why would someone in Abuja be different from Osun or have special voting privileges? Isn't that against the Basic tenets of the constitution that states all Nigerians are equal?
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by SIONKPO1(m): 3:56pm On Sep 06, 2023
onegig:



Lol Everyone with a common sense knew this. Honestly Agbakoba should be de-robed for bringing this rubbish up in the first instance. cheesy

Very silly argument to make when the constitution is clear. Why would someone in Abuja be different from Osun or have special voting privileges? Isn't that against the Basic tenets of the constitution that states all Nigerians are equal?
Why must you have Maths and English before you can be Admitted to any school in Nigeria?
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Parachoko: 4:23pm On Sep 06, 2023
Racoon:
Even the ever forthright and uncompromising retired INEC REC-Mike Igini told them but they don't want to hear the truth.
What's the Truth Racoon? grin
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Parachoko: 4:30pm On Sep 06, 2023
IVORY2009:



The problem with INEC is that they don't listen, two highly respected legal personality in the country Mike and Olisa had told them ahead of time about the 25% issue but they kept mute, now the matter is before the court, less see how they would go about this.
You're a 🤡
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Parachoko: 4:45pm On Sep 06, 2023
SmartPolician:
That FCT 25% NONSENSE sounds absurd to me. FCT is often separated from the 36 states because it's a territory, not a state (they cannot call it 37 states). However, as far as the election is concerned, FCT is like every other state in the country.

BTW, if Peter Obi is hoping to use that as basis to upturn Tinubu's sham victory, then I am afraid he has no case against the Druggie because it won't work.
grin

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by onegig(m): 4:51pm On Sep 06, 2023
SIONKPO1:

Why must you have Maths and English before you can be Admitted to any school in Nigeria?

English is the official language of Nigeria . How do you want to read in class or understand lecturers?

Now tell me the Importance of Abuja votes that makes it better than the votes of someone from Jigawa or Rivers or Ekiti? What makes Abuja dwellers special? The appellation AND when describing a list of states and the FCT? would trump the constitution that states every single Nigerian is equal and voting rights is one of the cardinal points?

Understanding should not be this hard, we went to school not for route memorization but to be able to take details from multiple sources and make informed decisions.

Sky is blue doesn't mean is Sky is blue in every scenario. Sky is dark at night. The conjunction AND in a constitutional documentation doesn't mean COJOINED especially when it is used in listing items like the English Language dictates.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by SIONKPO1(m): 4:52pm On Sep 06, 2023
onegig:


English is the official language of Nigeria . How do you want to read in class or understand lecturers?

Now tell me the Importance of Abuja votes that makes it better than the votes of someone from Jigawa or Rivers or Ekiti? What makes Abuja dwellers special? The appellation AND when describing a list of states and the FCT? would trump the constitution that states every single Nigerian is equal and voting rights is one of the cardinal points?

Understanding should not be this hard, we went to school not for route memorization but to be able to take details from multiple sources and make informed decisions.

Sky is blue doesn't mean is Sky is blue in every scenario. Sky is dark at night. The conjunction AND in a constitutional documentation doesn't mean COJOINED especially when it is used in listing items like the English Language dictates.
Same as the Abuja 25%

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