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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Hotice085: 7:04am On Apr 06, 2023
Sevenworldpower:
Security/military/economic alliance cannot be effective without captain of the alliance. US is captain of NATO. Who is captain of BRICS and CTSO.

Nagorno-Karabakh War is ongoing. CTSO territory. Captain is busy in Ukraine.
China troops have been moved to india border with China due to hostility between the 2 nations. No captain.
Greek v Turkey hostility- under control. Captain is doing his work.
Can military alliance stop wars? NO. Human leaders have beast-ike attitude looking for flesh to devour.




Tell them what their papas mamas and POOtin never told em
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Regex: 7:05am On Apr 06, 2023
Sevenworldpower:


War between China and USA. There would be blockade of China to international trade. US allies would do the job. Geographically, China has little chance. UK survived Hitler assault due to geographic advantage of being an island.

Look at this one. No be France buy gas from China in yauan?

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Sevenworldpower(m): 4:24pm On Apr 06, 2023
Regex:


Look at this one. No be France buy gad from China in yauan?

Is France an Asian country? Read slowly to understand?
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by RiceProducers: 5:08pm On Apr 06, 2023
Jones4190:
you don't know what you are saying, can USA withstand a one on one war with Russia? can they fight china?

Every country I know in history has beaten China. Yes the US will make short work of Russia.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Appleyard(m): 7:48pm On Apr 06, 2023
Sevenworldpower:
Security/military/economic alliance cannot be effective without captain of the alliance. US is captain of NATO. Who is captain of BRICS and CTSO.

Nagorno-Karabakh War is ongoing. CTSO territory. Captain is busy in Ukraine.
China troops have been moved to india border with China due to hostility between the 2 nations. No captain.
Greek v Turkey hostility- under control. Captain is doing his work.
Can military alliance stop wars? NO. Human leaders have beast-ike attitude looking for flesh to devour.



On the contrary, alliance formations are precursor to war. Same events that led to WW1 and WW2 -- economic and military alliances-- are repeating themselves now. Some nations are now even considering switching to military economy; that should give you a grim picture of what is brewing right now. It doesn't matter who is captain or not. Any major war that breaks out now would mean the end of the 21st century as we know it. Life would be reeled back to the 11th century. We better pray it shouldn't happen in our time.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Appleyard(m): 8:01pm On Apr 06, 2023
seunny4lif:

Russia afraid of USA, when?
Which country changed the route of her drones after Russia military bought one down?
Which country made noise on regime change on Syria but failed massively due to Russia?
CIA director and many USA top USA secret services agencies traveled to Moscow and It took USA government 6 months to be able to get permission from Russia before Biden was allowed to visit Kyiv, USA kept it secret that even USA allies don’t even know about it until the Moscow approved it.

When Russia smashed Georgia, it was France and Germany that were was able to calm Medvedev as USA president then Bush can only watch from afar.

Russia took back Crimea and banned any war ships from visiting Mauripol until Russia finally seized the city last year.

Russia started a war with Ukraine, blocked half of Black Sea and warned anyone from sending ships, immediately almighty USA withdrew her ships from there. Even when Ukraine was begging NATO members to send ships since three members of NATO shared the sea with Russia.

A war between Russia and USA is not going to about matching foot soldiers, it’s nuclear war.
Simple.
Go and see USA law on attack on her home land.

USA have everything to lose a war against Russia compare to Russia with will have few things to lose.
Russia don’t own over 800 military bases around the world.
Russia is not the world police
Russia is not the world tech centre.

You even have all the time to lecture these kids. Hollywood have done so much harm to their sense of comprehension. I like reading and laughing from the sidelines at such comments. cool

If they cannot learn from the mere fact that a country that has more than 10,000 sanctions slapped on it is doing well, and even better than some of the nations that slapped sanctions on it, then there is no need trying to educate them about what would happen when push comes to shoves.

Just let them thrive in their ignorance. cool

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Tiopii: 3:17pm On Apr 07, 2023
Dabronze:
What you don't understand is that Russia is not hagemonistic like USA

USA always make all his alliance a puppet Zombie
But Russia want peace all around the world


Then why attack Ukraine?
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Tiopii: 3:20pm On Apr 07, 2023
[quote author=Appleyard post=122341747]

You even have all the time to lecture these kids. Hollywood have done so much harm to their sense of comprehension. I like reading and laughing from the sidelines at such comments. cool

If they cannot learn from the mere fact that a country that has more than 10,000 sanctions slapped on it is doing well, and even better than some of the nations that slapped sanctions on it, then there is no need trying to educate them about what would happen when push comes to shoves.

Just let them thrive in their ignorance. cool[/quote


LOL
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Tiopii: 3:29pm On Apr 07, 2023
FoolishBoy419:


The 800 bases are not all close to China, only a portion of them are. And in a case of a war between China and USA, none of those bases would survive a week (even if nuclear weapons are not used) as all sorts of Chinese weapons could easily reach them.

. USA wouldn't be able to do shit to China and vice versa. If nuclear weapons are used, both countries would be equally damaged.

Look, defense is always easier than offense in war. USA might have all the fancy technology in the world but I'm interested in seeing how they are going to ship them near China without being destroyed. I'm interested in knowing how many days a USA carrier strike group would last before being flooded with hundreds of hypersonic missiles cheesy. USA doesn't even have the resources to transport enough ground troops and equipment to to China (in case they perform the impossible task ot defeating all Chinese air defense systems) and even if they do, they'd still have to contend with the Chinese army.

Simply looking at the cost of wars in smaller, weaker, and defenceless countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Vietnam would show you that USA CAN NEVER successfully invade China. They can only do it by using nuclear weapons and somehow not facing significgt retaliation (Which again is not possible).









US just got permission to build military bases in phillippines. They don't need to invade China, too costly, they need to just restrict Their sphere of influence or ability to project power outside their border.

China doesn't want war with the US. China don't have the kind of allies US have, non the economic power or military power.

Russia, China's strongest Ally have enough problems on their hands, Russia need to contend with the war, and the after series effect of the war, with the sanctions not ending soon.

China would need like 50+ years to catch up with the US military and sphere of influence, that is if US decide to stay the way they are and not make any innovations.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Tiopii: 3:39pm On Apr 07, 2023
seunny4lif:

Russia afraid of USA, when?
Which country changed the route of her drones after Russia military bought one down?
Which country made noise on regime change on Syria but failed massively due to Russia?
CIA director and many USA top USA secret services agencies traveled to Moscow and It took USA government 6 months to be able to get permission from Russia before Biden was allowed to visit Kyiv, USA kept it secret that even USA allies don’t even know about it until the Moscow approved it.

When Russia smashed Georgia, it was France and Germany that were was able to calm Medvedev as USA president then Bush can only watch from afar.

Russia took back Crimea and banned any war ships from visiting Mauripol until Russia finally seized the city last year.

Russia started a war with Ukraine, blocked half of Black Sea and warned anyone from sending ships, immediately almighty USA withdrew her ships from there. Even when Ukraine was begging NATO members to send ships since three members of NATO shared the sea with Russia.

A war between Russia and USA is not going to about matching foot soldiers, it’s nuclear war.
Simple.
Go and see USA law on attack on her home land.

USA have everything to lose a war against Russia compare to Russia with will have few things to lose.
Russia don’t own over 800 military bases around the world.
Russia is not the world police
Russia is not the world tech centre.



I would understand this sentiments if you said they before the war in Ukraine.

And the US didn't take permission from Russia to enter Kyiv, the US notified the Russians, more like a warning, our president is in the country be careful. if Russians are as tough theu should have attacked Kyiv with drones or missiles.

All the military victories Russia had in the past was as a result of the collective west reluctance to engage Russia, all were against by far smaller and weaker nations. Now that they decided otherwise, Ukraine the poorest nation in Europe, how is the war going?

Russia attacked a spy drone with no attack capabilities and you're making a mountain out of it, if were fighter jets, you think Russia would attack?LOL

When Russia pulled out of the grain deal, it was Turkey that escorted the ships with grains with battle ships. of what use is the black sea to the US? the US focus is Taiwan, Their ships are stationed close to there. You said they banned war ships from visiting mauripol, how many war ships were visiting their before the annexation?

In a war between the US and Russia we know the war won't take place in the US. You think 800 bases is a joke? LOL. rest.

Whatever Russia can do to the US, the US can do x 20

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by FoolishBoy419: 8:49pm On Apr 07, 2023
Tiopii:



US just got permission to build military bases in phillippines. They don't need to invade China, too costly, they need to just restrict Their sphere of influence or ability to project power outside their border.

China doesn't want war with the US. China don't have the kind of allies US have, non the economic power or military power.

Russia, China's strongest Ally have enough problems on their hands, Russia need to contend with the war, and the after series effect of the war, with the sanctions not ending soon.

China would need like 50+ years to catch up with the US military and sphere of influence, that is if US decide to stay the way they are and not make any innovations.


Firstly, let's get something clear here: we are talking about America's chances of invading and beating China in war (be it conventional or nuclear) and the answer is that they simple don't stand a chance.

The US currently has more powerful and rich allies than China but these things are changing rapidly. Several countries in Africa and the Middle East are shying away from the US. I believe Saudi Arabia will close down its US base in a few years to come.

China is clearly not desperate to project its military power. The BRI, the peace it is brokering in the Middle East and the economic deals it is signing around the world stands to benefit them far more in the long run than the nonsense USA is doing all around the world (and creating mortal enemies for itself).

Lastly, I think you are making the exact mistake that American leaders made in the past: underestimating China. Every single influence the US has is currently on a rapid decline. It is losing allies everyday, countries are making moves to ditch its currency, its banking sector is on a timed bomb, it is losing or has lost its manufacturing sector to Asia, and so on. In fact, their country is more divided than ever while more and more problems like mass shootings are taking down the country everyday. Even diehard Americans are worried about where the US is headed considering the money being printed daily and the piling debts on it.

I have strong confidence in China. When America banned them from using the international space station, they went and built theirs alone and even invited other countries. When Trump banned sale of chips to them, many were predicting that it would take a decade before they can start making their own chips but here we are today.

China produces 3-4x more STEM graduates that USA yearly while US citixens are more interested about gender pronouns. I'd say China will overtakebthem in the next 10 years.

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 7:27am On Apr 08, 2023
Elisonken24:
When I saw can US fight china I just lol. If I may ask how many wars has china fought? And we'll continue from there. If war is beans and garri then let China touch small tawian lets know how strong they are before you talk of fighting war masters (America).
War master wen nor dey win any war?

Wen dey only steal n yet small men go still successfully chase them out?

Plenty money n weapon nor be strength joor.
Go figure.

Btw, d only advantage US get in those days na nuclear weapon.
The last I checked, Talibans without nuclear kicked em out.
Now reason wetin who get nuclear go do US.

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 7:29am On Apr 08, 2023
KaLuCh:


No dey reply all these small children. Na waste of time. Make he believe wetin he wan believe.
Overhyping na im kill 2020 o
US has never won any wars..
They only gat fancy toys, which they alway run away leaving behind.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 7:33am On Apr 08, 2023
Otobong3374:
U Are A Fucking slowpoke For Asking Such Question, Do You Think War Between America & Russia Would Be An Easy War?? Do You Think China Can Face America During War?? I Can See, President Buhari Contagious Infection Has Eaten Up Your Brain.
Nor be this same America wen nor fit win Taliban?
Wen still run from Vietnam?

China for now won't fight until they have fully put away d dollar.

After that, if America mis yarn, na big slap dem go collect for their left eyes.
America uses the dollar as a weapon, ask Russia.

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Tiopii: 8:09am On Apr 08, 2023
FoolishBoy419:


Firstly, let's get something clear here: we are talking about America's chances of invading and beating China in war (be it conventional or nuclear) and the answer is that they simple don't stand a chance.

The US currently has more powerful and rich allies than China but these things are changing rapidly. Several countries in Africa and the Middle East are shying away from the US. I believe Saudi Arabia will close down its US base in a few years to come.

China is clearly not desperate to project its military power. The BRI, the peace it is brokering in the Middle East and the economic deals it is signing around the world stands to benefit them far more in the long run than the nonsense USA is doing all around the world (and creating mortal enemies for itself).

Lastly, I think you are making the exact mistake that American leaders made in the past: underestimating China. Every single influence the US has is currently on a rapid decline. It is losing allies everyday, countries are making moves to ditch its currency, its banking sector is on a timed bomb, it is losing or has lost its manufacturing sector to Asia, and so on. In fact, their country is more divided than ever while more and more problems like mass shootings are taking down the country everyday. Even diehard Americans are worried about where the US is headed considering the money being printed daily and the piling debts on it.

I have strong confidence in China. When America banned them from using the international space station, they went and built theirs alone and even invited other countries. When Trump banned sale of chips to them, many were predicting that it would take a decade before they can start making their own chips but here we are today.

China produces 3-4x more STEM graduates that USA yearly while US citizens are more interested about gender pronouns. I'd say China will overtakebthem in the next 10 years.




While a war between the US and China is very unlikely at it lowest chances, in a direct confrontation between both, The US would be the less battered side, not saying it would be easy or anything

LOL China isn't trying to project power? LOL after militarizing the South China sea and claiming it as it's territory against the wishes of some other countries in the region.

While you have some good reasons, most of the reasons you mentioned would be addressed with some good policies, might be bad not hopeless.

The dollar thing, it's between countries, if you want to deal with the US you still deal with them in dollar, even if dollars loses values, it'd still be most commonly used. While domination of dollar might end no currency would ever get the same privilege, Euro or pounds becomes the next best thing not Yuan bro. Yuan might get much relevance in Asia, but not in the World.

Peace would also be brokered bro, Man is always in a state of war, weapons would always sell, either to defend or attack. The US unless defeated militarily, would always be relevant, China can't afford war with the US for at least the next 50+ years that is if the US decided to remain the same.


It's easy to mention US problems na, mention any Chinese problem, you would think they don't have. alot could go wrong for them before it does for the US. even China get economical problem, US go manage their debt, most them dey owe themselves and maybe Europe. Every nation get peculiar problem. US the diseased and China the strong and healthy abeg.


x4 stem graduates, you don't understand the difference in their population, if they have the same rate who go employ them? Those plants in China and Asia they have started the transfer back to the US, check bills Biden been signing recently even China are complaining. China need the US & Europe market more than the vice versal. if you realize more of China's internal problems you'd be more worried for China than the US
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Otobong3374(m): 8:34am On Apr 08, 2023
Kojochyke:
Nor be this same America wen nor fit win Taliban?
Wen still run from Vietnam?

China for now won't fight until they have fully put away d dollar.

After that, if America mis yarn, na big slap dem go collect for their left eyes.
America uses the dollar as a weapon, ask Russia.
I Laugh U In American Language, Nigerian Mentality
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 2:18pm On Apr 08, 2023
Otobong3374:
I Laugh U In American Language, Nigerian Mentality
Keep Americanising urself.

That same America wen after dem rig election, dem say court decide and it is final and dem say make we agree.. But for Naija court nor fit decide.

Keep laffing...

Shebi dem don remove one of their drones permanently for sky n dem nor even see voice take shout..

Small small, other countries don dey finally trade in other currencies unlike before..

Wen demand shrink, dem go cut their force... Cos their money be like ponzi, n other powers dey watch.

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Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Otobong3374(m): 3:11pm On Apr 08, 2023
Kojochyke:
Keep Americanising urself.

That same America wen after dem rig election, dem say court decide and it is final and dem say make we agree.. But for Naija court nor fit decide.

Keep laffing...

Shebi dem don remove one of their drones permanently for sky n dem nor even see voice take shout..

Small small, other countries don dey finally trade in other currencies unlike before..

Wen demand shrink, dem go cut their force... Cos their money be like ponzi, n other powers dey watch.
Keep Dreaming Mr Dreamer, When Wake Up From Sleep Let Me Know, Okay? In Nigeria What Is Dollar Exchange Rate??
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 9:38pm On Apr 08, 2023
Otobong3374:
Keep Dreaming Mr Dreamer, When Wake Up From Sleep Let Me Know, Okay? In Nigeria What Is Dollar Exchange Rate??
Nor worry... Just watch
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Sevenworldpower(m): 2:18pm On Apr 09, 2023
Kojochyke:
Keep Americanising urself.

That same America wen after dem rig election, dem say court decide and it is final and dem say make we agree.. But for Naija court nor fit decide.

Keep laffing...

Shebi dem don remove one of their drones permanently for sky n dem nor even see voice take shout..

Small small, other countries don dey finally trade in other currencies unlike before..

Wen demand shrink, dem go cut their force... Cos their money be like ponzi, n other powers dey watch.

Those countries trading in other currencies beside US dollars are still holding their foreign reserves in dollars. If they have ball they should move their reserve to other currencies.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Otobong3374(m): 3:14pm On Apr 09, 2023
Kojochyke:
Nor worry... Just watch
Are Talking About Future When You Will Grow And Die? Sorry, I Didn't Know I Was Communicating With A Wailer
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 4:33pm On Apr 09, 2023
Otobong3374:
Are Talking About Future When You Will Grow And Die? Sorry, I Didn't Know I Was Communicating With A Wailer
U sound like a corpse dt refused to rest in peace.
They make stup!d sounds like u do.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 4:35pm On Apr 09, 2023
Sevenworldpower:


Those countries trading in other currencies beside US dollars are still holding their foreign reserves in dollars. If they have ball they should move their reserve to other currencies.
Dey play...
Na small small plantain take dey ripe.

Abi u don hear that kain tin before?


Just dey observe
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Otobong3374(m): 5:16pm On Apr 09, 2023
Kojochyke:
U sound like a corpse dt refused to rest in peace.
They make stup!d sounds like u do.
grin
Kojochyke:
U sound like a corpse dt refused to rest in peace.
They make stup!d sounds like u do.
Oh! Sorry Young Bitch, I Know You Are A Black Puppet Screaming The Sound Of A Monkey In Nigerian Forest. Oh! No, Stop Useing The Sound Of A Monkey, I Know You Don't Have Food To Eat, But I Will Camp Your Hungry Sense Down With A Drop Of Linguor.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by WritterNig: 6:18pm On Apr 09, 2023
michresakidjo:


You're not arguing reasonably bro.

U.S can not confront Russia in a face to face combat, something is applicable for Russia,only in nuclear confrontation but anything aside that ,in conventional warfare,even Nigeria soldiers are better trained that those rag tag poorly trained khaki boys

You think wearing shiny, well ironed camo and drawing tattoos means you're well trained?

Lmaooo y'all are babies.

Go find out how Wagner mercenaries are being trained. Then compare with US Special Forces (DELTA & Navy Seals) training.

That's a private company oh. Trust me you don't wanna see what Russian Army soldiers go through in training. They use an area as large as 2 EU countries as their training ground.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 6:24pm On Apr 09, 2023
Otobong3374:
grin Oh! Sorry Young Bitch, I Know You Are A Black Puppet Screaming The Sound Of A Monkey In Nigerian Forest. Oh! No, Stop Useing The Sound Of A Monkey, I Know You Don't Have Food To Eat, But I Will Camp Your Hungry Sense Down With A Drop Of Linguor.
Ode...
Linguor or liquor?

Before u try to sound like an Americana, pls learn how they speak properly if not u will end up sounding stup!d.

Me n u, who resemble monkey..

Stupid child that was born on credit.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Sevenworldpower(m): 8:11pm On Apr 09, 2023
Kojochyke:
Dey play...
Na small small plantain take dey ripe.

Abi u don hear that kain tin before?


Just dey observe

They shouldn't do it small small. They should do it very fast. You have to know criteria countries use to hold their foreign reserve in certain currencies. Dollar, Euro, Yen are still leading currencies countries use as reserve..
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 10:07pm On Apr 09, 2023
Sevenworldpower:


They shouldn't do it small small. They should do it very fast. You have to know criteria countries use to hold their foreign reserve in certain currencies. Dollar, Euro, Yen are still leading currencies countries use as reserve..
na u know..
Wetin we know be say dem don dey do international trade with other currencies now.
In those days u dare not...
Try it, n ur country will be invaded under different excuses...
In many cases d leader will be killed.

In those days if u challenge their order, d next tin u know, different armed groups will spring up in ur country.
CIA handwork...

Just observe
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Sevenworldpower(m): 10:33pm On Apr 09, 2023
Kojochyke:
na u know..
Wetin we know be say dem don dey do international trade with other currencies now.
In those days u dare not...
Try it, n ur country will be invaded under different excuses...
In many cases d leader will be killed.

In those days if u challenge their order, d next tin u know, different armed groups will spring up in ur country.
CIA handwork...

Just observe

We can also do international trade in naira. Reserve is the real thing.
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by michresakidjo(m): 12:25pm On Apr 10, 2023
WritterNig:


You think wearing shiny, well ironed camo and drawing tattoos means you're well trained?

Lmaooo y'all are babies.

Go find out how Wagner mercenaries are being trained. Then compare with US Special Forces (DELTA & Navy Seals) training.

That's a private company oh. Trust me you don't wanna see what Russian Army soldiers go through in training. They use an area as large as 2 EU countries as their training ground.


Wagner Group shhhh
The last time I check the Wagner Group were brutally routed in Syria by U.S special forces. Browse google to fact check my claim.
I am not a kid bro .
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Otobong3374(m): 7:08pm On Apr 10, 2023
Kojochyke:
Ode...
Linguor or liquor?

Before u try to sound like an Americana, pls learn how they speak properly if not u will end up sounding stup!d.

Me n u, who resemble monkey..

Stupid child that was born on credit.
This Fucking Boy Is Mad, Infact U Are A Useless Maggot
Re: NATO v BRICS/CTSO by Kojochyke(m): 10:18pm On Apr 10, 2023
Otobong3374:
This Fucking Boy Is Mad, Infact U Are A Useless Maggot
Moomu..
See as u be like corpse wen nor gree rest in peace

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